On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:09:47 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

> >Last week I decided to attempt Pho for the first time, so I went to a
> >local Asian market for ingredients. It was not as nice as H-mart, but
> >closer to my house. As I was cooking later, it struck me that I never
> >saw any cheese- not that I was looking for any. I really never thought
> >about it before, but I can not think of any cheese used in that type
> >of cooking- true or not?

I'm wondering if it could be related to the prevalance of lactose
intolerance among Han Chinese.

--
Ann's Little Brother Bob

dsi1 wrote:
> On 9/20/2011 11:40 AM, Miche wrote:
>> In >,
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/20/2011 9:25 AM, George wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/2011 3:05 PM, merryb wrote:
>>>>> Last week I decided to attempt Pho for the first time, so I went
>>>>> to a local Asian market for ingredients. It was not as nice as
>>>>> H-mart, but closer to my house. As I was cooking later, it struck
>>>>> me that I never saw any cheese- not that I was looking for any. I
>>>>> really never thought about it before, but I can not think of any
>>>>> cheese used in that type of cooking- true or not? BTW, the Pho
>>>>> was very good, but oxtails are spendier than I thought they would
>>>>> be!
>>>>
>>>> Dairy in general is not that common. You mentioned pho so say take
>>>> Vietnam as an example. About the only common use of dairy there is
>>>> in coffee which came about because it was a French colony and
>>>> sweetened canned milk is still used till this.
>>>
>>> I don't know how the Vietnamese can drink their coffee with
>>> condensed milk. I'm Asian American and that stuff is deadly poison
>>> to my guts. I also find their way of making coffee using the
>>> individual brewers to be way too slow. How the hell did they win
>>> the war with such a slow coffee maker? I love Trung Nguyen coffee
>>> though.
>>
>> I looooove Vietnamese coffee and my Vietnamese coffee maker. Mmmm.
>>
>> Miche
>>
>
> The Trung Nguyen coffee is pretty tasty stuff. It has heavy chocolate
> notes and is smooth and doesn't have an unpleasant aftertaste. It's
> like Kona but with a richer taste. I don't know how the heck they do
> it.

http://www.trung-nguyen-online.com/t...ffee-order.php

Wow - quite a few choices there. Unfortunately, the one I wanted to
try, the first one the list but in whole bean format, is out of stock
until November.

From a bit of quick reading, it sounds like the traditional ice coffee
is half French Press from a fine ground, and half sweetened condensed
milk, over a lot of ice - does that sound about right to you?

Very interesting, learned something new today, including finding someone
who actually looks positively on Robusta in their ad copy.

-S-

I do love cheese! Asians don't usually put cheese in their regular cuisine. But they do eat cheese.

On 9/21/2011 2:51 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>
> http://www.trung-nguyen-online.com/t...ffee-order.php
>
> Wow - quite a few choices there. Unfortunately, the one I wanted to
> try, the first one the list but in whole bean format, is out of stock
> until November.

There's a lot of choices. I use to have my brother pick up a bag of
regular coffee during his forays into Chinatown. I have no idea how that
corresponds with their website since I don't see a bag of plain old
regular coffee.

>
> From a bit of quick reading, it sounds like the traditional ice coffee
> is half French Press from a fine ground, and half sweetened condensed
> milk, over a lot of ice - does that sound about right to you?

My estimate is that you'd use about 1 oz of condensed milk to 8 oz of
brewed coffee. Then again, I use a creamer and artificial sweetener.
Condensed milk would kill my guts. Mostly, I just watch other people
drink it.

>
> Very interesting, learned something new today, including finding someone
> who actually looks positively on Robusta in their ad copy.


It's a unique tasting coffee due to their processing. They also have an
enzyme-treated coffee called "Legendee Gold which is about $35/lb. OTOH,
Trung Nguyen might be treating all their coffees...

From: http://www.poopcoffee.com/Poop_Coffee_2.html


"Simulated Civet Coffee

There is a growing market for Civet coffee, particularly in Vietnam
where chemically simulated versions of Civet coffee are produced, and
where Civet coffee is popular in many coffee houses.

The Trung Nguyen Coffee Company hired a German scientist to research the
chemical processes that occur in the Civet’s stomach, and in 1996
scientists were able to isolate six specific digestive enzymes and then
use these enzymes to create a synthetic soak known as Legendee, which
they patented."



>
> -S-
>
>

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 9/20/2011 12:58 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > The lactose issues generally develop from China and east of that.
> > India and Mongolia do not share these issues. China is also split a
> > bit on it with areas of pretty close to european acceptance for
> > lactose.
> >
> > An interesting aspect of shopping in Sasebo Japan out in the local
> > stores, was I never saw milk cartons larger than 2 pint or cheese
> > larger than 4oz blocks.
> >
> >
>
> A popular drink in Japan is Calpis which is a slightly tart drink
> that gets it's flavor from lactic acid which comes from fermenting
> milk to break down the lactose. Oddly enough, it's a pretty
> refreshing drink that tastes more like a lightly sweet and tart fruit
> drink than anything that comes from a cow.
>
> I could go for some right now. I have a carton of Calpis concentrate
> in my refrigerator but it's been in there for about half a year and
> I'm afraid to inspect it. :-)

I prefer pocari sweat. I can get it powdered here which i didn't
recall seeing there but probably existed.


--

Lou Decruss wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:58:26 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Helpful person wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Sep 20, 12:11*pm, Hackmatack > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Diary products are almost unknown in Asian cooking. I'm not sure
> >> > whether it is cause or effect, but lactose intolerance is common
> in >> > Asian populations.
> >>
> >> Seems like nobody wants t accept that what you state is correct.
> >> However, cheese is used in India. I don't know if it is the type
> of >> cheese of if they don't have the intolerance.
> >>
> >> http//www.richardfisher.com
> >
> > The lactose issues generally develop from China and east of that.
> > India and Mongolia do not share these issues. China is also split a
> > bit on it with areas of pretty close to european acceptance for
> > lactose.
> >
> > An interesting aspect of shopping in Sasebo Japan out in the local
> > stores, was I never saw milk cartons larger than 2 pint or cheese
> > larger than 4oz blocks.
>
> The store we do most of our shopping at has a large deli counter with
> like 10+ people working it. I've never seen an Asian person there but
> the produce and fish areas are loaded with them.
>
> Lou

Not that shocking actually to me.

--

On 9/21/2011 4:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
> I prefer pocari sweat. I can get it powdered here which i didn't
> recall seeing there but probably existed.
>

Pocari Sweat is good too and like Calpis, (cow ****) has a goofy name.
Of course, "Spotted Dick" is pretty much the goofiest label to see
printed on a can.

The next time I see a can of PS, I will refresh myself of it, even
though it's probably not available in diet. :-)

Hackmatack wrote:
> dsi1 > wrote:
>> On 9/20/2011 9:25 AM, George wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2011 3:05 PM, merryb wrote:
>>>> Last week I decided to attempt Pho for the first time, so I went to a
>>>> local Asian market for ingredients. It was not as nice as H-mart, but
>>>> closer to my house. As I was cooking later, it struck me that I never
>>>> saw any cheese- not that I was looking for any. I really never thought
>>>> about it before, but I can not think of any cheese used in that type
>>>> of cooking- true or not? BTW, the Pho was very good, but oxtails are
>>>> spendier than I thought they would be!
>>> Dairy in general is not that common. You mentioned pho so say take
>>> Vietnam as an example. About the only common use of dairy there is in
>>> coffee which came about because it was a French colony and sweetened
>>> canned milk is still used till this.
>> I don't know how the Vietnamese can drink their coffee with condensed
>> milk. I'm Asian American and that stuff is deadly poison to my guts. I
>> also find their way of making coffee using the individual brewers to be
>> way too slow. How the hell did they win the war with such a slow coffee
>> maker? I love Trung Nguyen coffee though.
>
> I can't stand sweetened condensed milk out of the can -- and I'm not
> lactose intolerant! But the Cubans make a really sublime desert out of it
> (dulce leche) by poaching unopened cans in hot water until the sugars
> caramelize and the result turns into a lovely custardy chocolate brown.

Fortunately or unfortunately, I can buy dulce de leche in cans at
several stores near here.

--
Jean B.

merryb wrote:
> On Sep 20, 12:09 pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:05:02 -0700 (PDT), merryb >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Last week I decided to attempt Pho for the first time, so I went to a
>>> local Asian market for ingredients. It was not as nice as H-mart, but
>>> closer to my house. As I was cooking later, it struck me that I never
>>> saw any cheese- not that I was looking for any. I really never thought
>>> about it before, but I can not think of any cheese used in that type
>>> of cooking- true or not? BTW, the Pho was very good, but oxtails are
>>> spendier than I thought they would be!
>> Are crab rangoons authentic or are they Americanised?
>>
>> Lou
>
> Wikipedia says they were first served at Trader Vic's, but originated
> from a Burmese recipe.

That sounds extremely unlikely.

--
Jean B.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 9/20/2011 1:02 PM, Hackmatack wrote:
>>
>> I can't stand sweetened condensed milk out of the can -- and I'm not
>> lactose intolerant! But the Cubans make a really sublime desert out of it
>> (dulce leche) by poaching unopened cans in hot water until the sugars
>> caramelize and the result turns into a lovely custardy chocolate brown.
>
> Canned milk has a peculiar taste the takes some getting used to. I made
> a rookie mistake when I was a kid and boiled a can of evaporated milk
> for a few hours and nothing happened. After that, I realized the
> difference between canned milks. The Spanish speaking peoples that have
> had contact with our military forces seem to have adopted canned milk in
> a big way. I could go for some tres leches cake right now but all that
> lactose might just kill me right off - what a way to go though.
>
> Chinese style custard pie is made with canned milk and boy is it tasty!

I never knew that. I am going to have to examine the recipes I
have for... are you speaking of egg tarts or something related to
them?

--
Jean B.

On 9/21/2011 5:36 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> Chinese style custard pie is made with canned milk and boy is it tasty!
>
> I never knew that. I am going to have to examine the recipes I have
> for... are you speaking of egg tarts or something related to them?
>

The recipe I have is for a pie although you could probably make tarts.
My guess is that your tarts uses regular milk but I like the evaporated
milk recipe. Both recipes probably call for a lot more eggs than
standard custard recipes. I used to make regular custard pies all the
time but I probably won't ever make it again.

Kent wrote:

> The only range beef we've seen in Asia is in Viet Nam. Other than that
> country, beef just isn't part of Asian cuisine.

Never even HEARD of Korea, have you?

Bob

dsi1 wrote:

>>> Most Asian people are lactose intolerant.
>>
>> Really? The entire continent of Asia? I understand that people in
>> the Far East often have this problem, but tell that to my people, the
>> people of India, the Persians, the Russians, all the -stans in Asia, the
>> Mongols who drank goat's and yak's milk, Nepalese, Sri Lankans, etc.
>>
>
> Obviously, you are correct about this. I mostly consider Asians to be the
> Chinese, Japanese and Korean but obviously, I'm wrong. :-)

That's because the Political Correctness people have conditioned you to
believe that "Oriental" is a Bad Word, even though that is *exactly* the
term you mean.

Bob

I replied to Kent's stupidity:

> Kent wrote:
>
>> The only range beef we've seen in Asia is in Viet Nam. Other than that
>> country, beef just isn't part of Asian cuisine.
>
> Never even HEARD of Korea, have you?

BTW, Kent, where do you think Kobe is? You know, that place where Kobe BEEF
comes from; in what non-Asian country do you believe it lies?

Bob

On Sep 21, 7:09*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 9/20/2011 12:58 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > > The lactose issues generally develop from China and east of that.
> > > India and Mongolia do not share these issues. *China is also split a
> > > bit on it with areas of pretty close to european acceptance for
> > > lactose.
>
> > > An interesting aspect of shopping in Sasebo Japan out in the local
> > > stores, was I never saw milk cartons larger than 2 pint or cheese
> > > larger than 4oz blocks.
>
> > A popular drink in Japan is Calpis which is a slightly tart drink
> > that gets it's flavor from lactic acid which comes from fermenting
> > milk to break down the lactose. Oddly enough, it's a pretty
> > refreshing drink that tastes more like a lightly sweet and tart fruit
> > drink than anything that comes from a cow.
>
> > I could go for some right now. I have a carton of Calpis concentrate
> > in my refrigerator but it's been in there for about half a year and
> > I'm afraid to inspect it. :-)
>
> I prefer pocari sweat. *I can get it powdered here which i didn't
> recall seeing there but probably existed.
>
> --

Are the Pocari's overworked

On 9/22/2011 5:33 PM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
> That's because the Political Correctness people have conditioned you to
> believe that "Oriental" is a Bad Word, even though that is *exactly* the
> term you mean.

You are correct that "oriental" has fallen out of usage. My suggestion
is that we just say "cultures that sprang from the loins of China." One
of my teachers in college said that the Koreans act superior because
they think they are superior, the Japanese act superior because they
really feel inferior, the Chinese act superior because they are
superior. :-)

>
> Bob
>
>

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
> That's because the Political Correctness people have conditioned you to
> believe that "Oriental" is a Bad Word, even though that is *exactly* the
> term you mean.

Oriental - From the eastern half of the Roman Empire.

Nope, not exactly! ;^)

Ranee wrote:

> I always wonder if the people who object to the term oriental also object
> to the term occidental.

It's allowed when you're talking about occidental tourists.

Bob

wrote:
> I always wonder if the people who object to the term oriental also
>object to the term occidental.

If Oriental people had used the term Oxidental for centuries in a racist,
condescending manner, Oxidentals might object too.

Orlando

Orlando wrote:

>> I always wonder if the people who object to the term oriental also
>> object to the term occidental.
>
> If Oriental people had used the term Oxidental for centuries in a racist,
> condescending manner, Oxidentals might object too.

You really, really hate white people, don't you? Will you be strapping a
bomb to your chest sometime soon, or are you a GUTLESS hater?

Bob

"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
b.com...
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>>>> Most Asian people are lactose intolerant.
>>>
>>> Really? The entire continent of Asia? I understand that people in
>>> the Far East often have this problem, but tell that to my people, the
>>> people of India, the Persians, the Russians, all the -stans in Asia, the
>>> Mongols who drank goat's and yak's milk, Nepalese, Sri Lankans, etc.
>>>
>>
>> Obviously, you are correct about this. I mostly consider Asians to be the
>> Chinese, Japanese and Korean but obviously, I'm wrong. :-)
>
> That's because the Political Correctness people have conditioned you to
> believe that "Oriental" is a Bad Word, even though that is *exactly* the
> term you mean.


No, Oriental does not mean "Asian". Look it up. Oriental Of or designating
the biogeographic region that includes Asia south of the Himalaya Mountains
and the islands of the Malay Archipelago.

Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:
> wrote:
> > I always wonder if the people who object to the term oriental also
> >
> >object to the term occidental.
>
> If Oriental people had used the term Oxidental for centuries in a
> racist,
> condescending manner, Oxidentals might object too.

You're right. Nobody has ever known Oriental people to be racists or
supremacists. Certainly never to keep people imprisoned or interned
because of their race. That's only what white people do, right? Right?
Oh, wait...

"Pico Rico" > wrote:
>
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
> b.com...
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >>>> Most Asian people are lactose intolerant.
> >>>
> >>> Really? The entire continent of Asia? I understand that people
> > > > in
> >>> the Far East often have this problem, but tell that to my people,
> > > > the
> >>> people of India, the Persians, the Russians, all the -stans in
> > > > Asia, the
> >>> Mongols who drank goat's and yak's milk, Nepalese, Sri Lankans,
> > > > etc.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Obviously, you are correct about this. I mostly consider Asians to
> > > be the
> >> Chinese, Japanese and Korean but obviously, I'm wrong. :-)
> >
> > That's because the Political Correctness people have conditioned you
> > to
> > believe that "Oriental" is a Bad Word, even though that is *exactly*
> > the
> > term you mean.
>
>
> No, Oriental does not mean "Asian". Look it up. Oriental Of or
> designating
> the biogeographic region that includes Asia south of the Himalaya
> Mountains
> and the islands of the Malay Archipelago.

I think that was the point, actually. Asian is too broad a term and
Oriental describes the people he meant more exactly.

Pico Rico got confused:

>>>>> Most Asian people are lactose intolerant.
>>>>
>>>> Really? The entire continent of Asia? I understand that people in
>>>> the Far East often have this problem, but tell that to my people, the
>>>> people of India, the Persians, the Russians, all the -stans in Asia,
>>>> the Mongols who drank goat's and yak's milk, Nepalese, Sri Lankans,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously, you are correct about this. I mostly consider Asians to be
>>> the Chinese, Japanese and Korean but obviously, I'm wrong. :-)
>>
>> That's because the Political Correctness people have conditioned you to
>> believe that "Oriental" is a Bad Word, even though that is *exactly* the
>> term you mean.
>
> No, Oriental does not mean "Asian". Look it up. Oriental Of or
> designating the biogeographic region that includes Asia south of the
> Himalaya Mountains and the islands of the Malay Archipelago.

That's not quite correct; it means the region south AND EAST of the Himalaya
Mountains (specifically excluding the Indian subcontinent, even though it's
south of the Himalayas). And "oriental" is what dsi1 meant when he
incorrectly used the too-inclusive term "Asian."

Bob

In article om>,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> Pico Rico got confused:

> > No, Oriental does not mean "Asian". Look it up.

> That's not quite correct; it means the region south AND EAST of the Himalaya
> Mountains (specifically excluding the Indian subcontinent, even though it's
> south of the Himalayas). And "oriental" is what dsi1 meant when he
> incorrectly used the too-inclusive term "Asian."

My dictionary says that the noun "oriental" is offensive. As an
adjective, it's dated but not offensive. More specific other words are
suggested, such as "east asian".

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>
>If Oriental people had used the term Oxidental for centuries in a racist,
>condescending manner, Oxidentals might object too.
>
>Orlando

What's wrong with Slant Eyes and Round Eyes? duh

"Pico Rico"wrote:

>
>"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
eb.com...
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>>> Most Asian people are lactose intolerant.
>>>>
>>>> Really? The entire continent of Asia? I understand that people in
>>>> the Far East often have this problem, but tell that to my people, the
>>>> people of India, the Persians, the Russians, all the -stans in Asia, the
>>>> Mongols who drank goat's and yak's milk, Nepalese, Sri Lankans, etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously, you are correct about this. I mostly consider Asians to be the
>>> Chinese, Japanese and Korean but obviously, I'm wrong. :-)
>>
>> That's because the Political Correctness people have conditioned you to
>> believe that "Oriental" is a Bad Word, even though that is *exactly* the
>> term you mean.
>
>
>No, Oriental does not mean "Asian". Look it up. Oriental Of or designating
>the biogeographic region that includes Asia south of the Himalaya Mountains
>and the islands of the Malay Archipelago.

That's too complicated... Oriental means Chinks. WTF are yoose Spics
all the time wanting to start a race war?

On 9/23/2011 9:10 PM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Pico Rico got confused:
>
>>>>>> Most Asian people are lactose intolerant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? The entire continent of Asia? I understand that people in
>>>>> the Far East often have this problem, but tell that to my people, the
>>>>> people of India, the Persians, the Russians, all the -stans in Asia,
>>>>> the Mongols who drank goat's and yak's milk, Nepalese, Sri Lankans,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, you are correct about this. I mostly consider Asians to be
>>>> the Chinese, Japanese and Korean but obviously, I'm wrong. :-)
>>>
>>> That's because the Political Correctness people have conditioned you to
>>> believe that "Oriental" is a Bad Word, even though that is *exactly* the
>>> term you mean.
>>
>> No, Oriental does not mean "Asian". Look it up. Oriental Of or
>> designating the biogeographic region that includes Asia south of the
>> Himalaya Mountains and the islands of the Malay Archipelago.
>
> That's not quite correct; it means the region south AND EAST of the Himalaya
> Mountains (specifically excluding the Indian subcontinent, even though it's
> south of the Himalayas). And "oriental" is what dsi1 meant when he
> incorrectly used the too-inclusive term "Asian."
>
> Bob

The main problem is that Asia is way too big a continent. I wonder what
the Ruskies think about us lumping them together with the rest of Asia.
That would be like them saying that the Inuits and the Mexicans and
Brazilians are Americans. OTOH, some Inuits are American.

dsi1 wrote:

> The main problem is that Asia is way too big a continent.

I'd say the main problem is the Political Correctness assholes.

Bob

?Q?Ran=C3=A9e=20@=20Arabian=20Knits?= wrote:
>You're right. Nobody has ever known Oriental people to be racists or
>supremacists. Certainly never to keep people imprisoned or interned
>because of their race. That's only what white people do, right? Right?
>Oh, wait...

Certain Asian and Oriental nations have indeed engaged in all those
reprehensible behaviors; they just didn't coin the term Oxidentals while doing
it.

Orlando

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 23:35:43 -0400, Orlando Enrique Fiol
> wrote:

> coin the term Oxidentals
What's an "oxidental"? Has it got something to do with teeth and a
stimulant drug based on cocaine paste originally developed in the
Brazilian Amazon forest region?

--
Ann's Little Brother Bob

Bob wrote:

>> coin the term Oxidentals
>
> What's an "oxidental"? Has it got something to do with teeth and a
> stimulant drug based on cocaine paste originally developed in the
> Brazilian Amazon forest region?

While *I* see the humor in what you wrote, I'm willing to let Orlando slide
on this one because it may be that the misspelling is not his fault: Orlando
says he's blind, so he might be using voice-to-text software which doesn't
know the correct spelling of the word "Occidental."

Of course, Orlando's feeble attempt to make a point is completely ignorant:
He implies that Chinese, Japanese, and Korean populations do not harbor
racism toward Westerners, and claims that they don't have a long history of
using the term "Occidental" in a derogatory fashion. Maybe that's because
they use the terms "hairy foul-smelling meat beast" and "ape-man" instead --
both MUCH more acceptable terms than "Oriental," at least in Orlando's
opinion.

Orlando hates white people. Every post he makes shows that. In his eyes, ANY
other ethnic group, even a genocidal Hutu in the act of bayoneting a
thousand babies, is a paragon of nobility by comparison with (for example)
Rick Bayless.

Orlando does have an addled supporter here who at one time said that Orlando
has a "beautiful soul." Of course, when she *saw* Orlando's soul she was (as
usual) under the influence of an illegal hallucinogen, so her opinion isn't
exactly weighty.

Bob
P.S.: Do you also have a sister named Heter?

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:23:33 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> she was (as
> usual) under the influence of an illegal hallucinogen,

Ah so. The oxi-link no doubt.

> P.S.: Do you also have a sister named Heter?
She's a great aunt on my mother's side.

--
Ann's Little Brother Bob

Bob wrote:

>> P.S.: Do you also have a sister named Heter?
>
> She's a great aunt on my mother's side.

She's a GREAT aunt? Not a SUPER aunt?

Bob

Orlando Enrique Fiol > wrote:
> ?Q?Ran=C3=A9e=20@=20Arabian=20Knits?= wrote:
> >You're right. Nobody has ever known Oriental people to be racists or
> >supremacists. Certainly never to keep people imprisoned or interned
> >because of their race. That's only what white people do, right?
> > Right?
> >Oh, wait...
>
> Certain Asian and Oriental nations have indeed engaged in all those
> reprehensible behaviors; they just didn't coin the term Oxidentals
> while doing
> it.


That's because they had offensive terms already. Far worse than one
based on what direction people lived, too.

Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>> My dictionary says that the noun "oriental" is offensive. As an
>> adjective, it's dated but not offensive. More specific other words are
>> suggested, such as "east asian".

It originally comes from the half of the Roman Empire that reported to
Constantinople.

> Are we going to go back to Near Eastern, too?

Only if we do it in the form of quotes from "The Life of Brian". Bloody
Romans. ;^)

?Q?Ran=C3=A9e=20@=20Arabian=20Knits?= wrote:
>That's because they had offensive terms already. Far worse than one
>based on what direction people lived, too.

Agreed. But Ranee asked.

Orlando

On 9/20/2011 4:02 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> My best chicken tenders ever - using 1/2 part parmesan cheese (and
> AFTER I remembered I needed to put baking soda/powder in the batter).
>
> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...armesanba.jpg/

They look good. What did the baking soda/powder do for it?