On 9/23/2011 5:30 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

> I'm pretty ready to lock them up after the first one. I'm more on the
> fence when it comes to an absolute certainty they will never do it
> again. To me it's the price. It costs more to execute someone than to
> keep them locked up for life. And the chance of escape.

I picked your post as a victim but I just wanted to say that while I'm
not a proponent of the death penalty, I think it might have come about
to give the family of the victim closure. I could be wrong. Often am.

On 24/09/2011 8:39 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 9/23/2011 5:30 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty ready to lock them up after the first one. I'm more on the
>> fence when it comes to an absolute certainty they will never do it
>> again. To me it's the price. It costs more to execute someone than to
>> keep them locked up for life. And the chance of escape.
>
> I picked your post as a victim but I just wanted to say that while I'm
> not a proponent of the death penalty, I think it might have come about
> to give the family of the victim closure. I could be wrong. Often am.

You may not think that i you knew the sorts of crimes for which the
death penalty was applied......theft, treason, cutting down trees,
killing chickens. In 18th century Britain, there were 222 crimes to
which death penalty could be applied. The US, having started off as
British colonies, has similar laws. In Virginia the Divine Moral and
Martial Laws provide death penalty for things like stealing grapes and
trading with Indians. In New York Duke's Laws the death penatly could
be applied to a person who struck their mother or father, and for
denying the "true God"

> I'm pretty ready to lock them up after the first one. I'm more on the
> fence when it comes to an absolute certainty they will never do it
> again. To me it's the price.



It costs more to execute someone than to
> keep them locked up for life.

That is the problem that needs to be solved.

On Sep 22, 11:56*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000

Good.

They also should bring back the electric chair and firing squads.

On Sep 23, 11:40*am, rosie > wrote:
> On Sep 23, 11:35*am, Christopher *Helms > wrote:
>
> > On Sep 22, 11:16*pm, "DavidW" > wrote:
>
> > > Mark Thorson wrote:
> > > > All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>
> > > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>
> > > They could simply place restrictions on it instead.
>
> > It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
> > guilty.
>
> I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.

*eyeroll* oh here we go....

On Sep 23, 12:18*pm, Chemo the Clown > wrote:
> On Sep 23, 11:03*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > rosie wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 23, 11:35 am, Christopher *Helms > wrote:
>
> > > > It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
> > > > guilty.
>
> > > I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.
>
> > I was pro-death penalty until I read about this case:
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
>
> > That tipped me over. *If the only way to stop Texas
> > from executing innocent people is to ban it nationally,
> > I'm in favor of that.
>
> No system is perfect but if you want to pay to house some murderer
> then go for it. I say, one appeal with 6 months and then kill 'em. Use
> a 50 cent bullet and quit being all sensitive with this lethal
> injection crap. Either a bullet or the rope.

Wow I actually agree with something you wrote! LOL

On 9/24/2011 8:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 24/09/2011 8:39 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 9/23/2011 5:30 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty ready to lock them up after the first one. I'm more on the
>>> fence when it comes to an absolute certainty they will never do it
>>> again. To me it's the price. It costs more to execute someone than to
>>> keep them locked up for life. And the chance of escape.
>>
>> I picked your post as a victim but I just wanted to say that while I'm
>> not a proponent of the death penalty, I think it might have come about
>> to give the family of the victim closure. I could be wrong. Often am.
>
> You may not think that i you knew the sorts of crimes for which the
> death penalty was applied......theft, treason, cutting down trees,
> killing chickens. In 18th century Britain, there were 222 crimes to
> which death penalty could be applied. The US, having started off as
> British colonies, has similar laws. In Virginia the Divine Moral and
> Martial Laws provide death penalty for things like stealing grapes and
> trading with Indians. In New York Duke's Laws the death penatly could be
> applied to a person who struck their mother or father, and for denying
> the "true God"

That's all very interesting and barbaric, but I was thinking of the
death penalty for murder. It's hard to believe in the death penalty for
cutting down trees or theft.

Cheryl wrote:

> It's hard to believe in the death penalty for cutting down trees or theft.

....but maybe if people clap their hands...

Bob

Cheryl wrote:
>Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty ready to lock them up after the first one. I'm more on the
>> fence when it comes to an absolute certainty they will never do it
>> again. To me it's the price. It costs more to execute someone than to
>> keep them locked up for life. And the chance of escape.
>
>I picked your post as a victim but I just wanted to say that while I'm
>not a proponent of the death penalty, I think it might have come about
>to give the family of the victim closure. I could be wrong. Often am.

"Closure" is absolute nonsense, does anyone really think the victims
ever forget... is anyone suggesting the victims become lobotomized by
the execution? I for one would never afford the convicted the same
mercy I'd afford a beloved pet... I'd want to know every day that the
POS was existing a living death, all alone in a dark cage. Execution
is both a mercy killing and a slap in the face for the victims, not
justice. And outlawing execution would stifle the outcrys about
killing a pitifully few wrongfully accused because even one is too
many. Execution degrades society to the level of the convicted, lower
even. And I'm not the least bit religious but for all who claim to be
god fearing execution is the ultimate hypocrisy. Were there "closure"
there'd be no headstones at cemeteries... there'd be no cemeteries.

On Sep 24, 10:57*pm, projectile vomit chick
> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 11:56*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> > All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>
> Good.
>
> They also should bring back the electric chair and firing squads.

If executions are to have any use, they should be deterrents.
Criminals should be hanged from a lamppost in the neighborhood where
they lived and left dangling for all to contemplate for about a week.
Otherwise, why risk killing someone who is really innocent?

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.

"DavidW" > wrote in news:4e7c0888$0$26323$a8266bb1
@newsreader.readnews.com:

> Mark Thorson wrote:
>> All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>
> They could simply place restrictions on it instead.
>
>
>



They're going to die, why bother feeding them?



--
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Nothing ever truely dies
the Universe wastes nothing
everything is simply... transformed

Chemo the Clown > wrote in news:15d46dd9-80bb-47f9-
:

> On Sep 23, 9:40*am, rosie > wrote:
>> On Sep 23, 11:35*am, Christopher *Helms > wrote
>:
>>
>> > On Sep 22, 11:16*pm, "DavidW" > wrote:
>>
>> > > Mark Thorson wrote:
>> > > > All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>>
>> > > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>>
>> > > They could simply place restrictions on it instead.
>>
>> > It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
>> > guilty.
>>
>> I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.
>
> I look for the day when we don't have to wait years and years before
> we execute. I suppose if you husband and kids were brutally murdered,
> you'd still want the killer to get life in prison? Three meals a day,
> all the sex they want, drugs, tv...
>



"Sitting on Death Row" for 25 odd years is a f***ing joke/farce which the
scumbags milk for every minute.

Once sentence is passed, get it over and done with ASAP.

We have a trash/garbage pickup once a week, the jails should have the
same. Clear the garbage on a weekly basis.

--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

Nothing ever truely dies
the Universe wastes nothing
everything is simply... transformed

Mark Thorson > wrote in :

> rosie wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 23, 11:35 am, Christopher Helms > wrote:
>> >
>> > It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
>> > guilty.
>>
>> I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.
>
> I was pro-death penalty until I read about this case:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
>
> That tipped me over. If the only way to stop Texas
> from executing innocent people is to ban it nationally,
> I'm in favor of that.
>


You're joking, right?

I read that and just thought, "Guilty".

He got what he deserved.



--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
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Nothing ever truely dies
the Universe wastes nothing
everything is simply... transformed

Chemo the Clown > wrote in news:ac03be16-de19-47ac-
:

> On Sep 23, 11:03*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>> rosie wrote:
>>
>> > On Sep 23, 11:35 am, Christopher *Helms > wrote
>:
>>
>> > > It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
>> > > guilty.
>>
>> > I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.
>>
>> I was pro-death penalty until I read about this case:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
>>
>> That tipped me over. *If the only way to stop Texas
>> from executing innocent people is to ban it nationally,
>> I'm in favor of that.
>
> No system is perfect but if you want to pay to house some murderer
> then go for it. I say, one appeal with 6 months and then kill 'em. Use
> a 50 cent bullet and quit being all sensitive with this lethal
> injection crap. Either a bullet or the rope.
>



CtC for President!!!!!!



--
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Nothing ever truely dies
the Universe wastes nothing
everything is simply... transformed

Mark Thorson > wrote in :

> Chemo the Clown wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 23, 1:44 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>> > Chemo the Clown wrote:
>> >
>> > > No system is perfect but if you want to pay to house some murderer
>> > > then go for it. I say, one appeal with 6 months and then kill 'em.
>> > > Use a 50 cent bullet and quit being all sensitive with this lethal
>> > > injection crap. Either a bullet or the rope.
>> >
>> > That's cheaper in China, but not the U.S.
>> > Here, a life sentence w/o parole is cheaper
>> > than execution.
>>
>> Got some stats for that?
>
> Sure, it's been carefully studied.
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun...death-penalty-
cos
> ts-20110620
>



Yeah, and it's all eaten up in lawyers fees while the bleeding hearts try
to get the scum off the hook.

The executions cost f**k all.



--
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Nothing ever truely dies
the Universe wastes nothing
everything is simply... transformed

TFM® > wrote in
:

> On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 10:03:14 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
>> rosie wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sep 23, 11:35 am, Christopher Helms > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
>>>> guilty.
>>>
>>> I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.
>>
>> I was pro-death penalty until I read about this case:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
>>
>> That tipped me over. If the only way to stop Texas
>> from executing innocent people is to ban it nationally,
>> I'm in favor of that.
>
> Innocent people do get charged with crimes they didn't commit, and
innocent
> people die or spend their lives behind bars, but that's no reason to
stop
> punishing the truly guilty.
>
> Some of you people must have lived very sheltered lives. I grew up on
the
> mean streets. There are people out there with no regard for human life.
> They will kill you for your shoes.
>
> When those people take another's life, they deserve to die.
>
> That's all, I'm done...
> TFM®
>



What he said.



--
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rosie > wrote in news:e5a76a04-654c-4046-b43d-
:

> On Sep 23, 1:03*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>> rosie wrote:
>>
>> > On Sep 23, 11:35 am, Christopher *Helms > wrote
>:
>>
>> > > It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
>> > > guilty.
>>
>> > I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.
>>
>> I was pro-death penalty until I read about this case:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
>>
>> That tipped me over. *If the only way to stop Texas
>> from executing innocent people is to ban it nationally,
>> I'm in favor of that.
>
> Very few countries still use death penalty. I wish the US was
> one.There are worse things then death.



Tell that to the families of the murdered victims.

You've led a very sheltered life, haven't you?



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everything is simply... transformed

Doug Freyburger > wrote in :

> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>> I was pro-death penalty until I read about this case:
>
> I was pro execution when I thought about how many executed people ever
> came back to repeat their crimes. The number is amazingly low.
>
> I was anti execution when I learned that it costs more to execute a
> prisoner than it does to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives.
>



The cost of an execution (rough guesstimate) would be $10K, and that's
including the gourmet snacks for the guests afterwards.


You've just got caught up in the bleeding heart hype of how much the blood
sucking (all knowing) civil libetarian lawyers will (all knowingly) milk out
of the system.


To keep a convicted murderer alive for the rest of its natural life is an
horrendous cost.


--
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:45:23 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:34:49 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:49:25 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> Christopher Helms wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 22, 11:16 pm, "DavidW" > wrote:
>>>>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>>> > All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>>>>>
>>>>> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>>>>>
>>>>> They could simply place restrictions on it instead.
>>>>
>>>> It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
>>>> guilty.
>>>
>>> Yes, they try to keep it more than 2 out of 3.
>>
>> a fan of gov. rick perry's said, admiringly, 'it takes balls to execute an
>> innocent man.'
>>
> and his are brass.

and his head is a rock.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:39:18 -0500, Bull wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:49:25 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> Christopher Helms wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 22, 11:16 pm, "DavidW" > wrote:
>>>>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>>> > All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>>>>>
>>>>> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>>>>>
>>>>> They could simply place restrictions on it instead.
>>>>
>>>> It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
>>>> guilty.
>>>
>>> Yes, they try to keep it more than 2 out of 3.
>>
>> a fan of gov. rick perry's said, admiringly, 'it takes balls to execute an
>> innocent man.'
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Quote your source you dummy. Total fabrication!
>
> BULLballs

<http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/08/03/perry_willingham_survey>

<http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/93136/it-takes-balls-execute-innocent-man>

<http://blog.buzzflash.com/node/12964>

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss//duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1657463>

....is that enough, you ignorant ****? if not google has some 57,000 mo

<http://www.google.com/search?q=%22it+takes+balls+to+execute+an+innocent+ man.%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a>

blake

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:57:52 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick wrote:

> On Sep 22, 11:56*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>> All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>
> Good.
>
> They also should bring back the electric chair and firing squads.

why not the rack and the iron maiden?

blake

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 10:46:14 -0500, Andy wrote:

> Jerry Avins > wrote:
>
>>> They also should bring back the electric chair and firing squads.
>
> We lived a few towns from a prison with the electric chair and if we stayed
> up late enough the lights would dim when it drew power to put the condemned
> to death.
>
> Kept me on the straight and narrow!!!
>
> Andy

like you would have the balls or the brains to carry out a murder.

blake

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:59:04 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick wrote:

> On Sep 23, 11:40*am, rosie > wrote:
>> On Sep 23, 11:35*am, Christopher *Helms > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 11:16*pm, "DavidW" > wrote:
>>
>>> > Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> > > All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>>
>>> > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>>
>>> > They could simply place restrictions on it instead.
>>
>>> It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
>>> guilty.
>>
>> I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.
>
> *eyeroll* oh here we go....

aww, would that deprive you of precious entertainment?

blake

On 25/09/2011 11:26 AM, Jerry Avins wrote:

>>
>> They also should bring back the electric chair and firing squads.
>
> If executions are to have any use, they should be deterrents.
> Criminals should be hanged from a lamppost in the neighborhood where
> they lived and left dangling for all to contemplate for about a week.
> Otherwise, why risk killing someone who is really innocent?
>

There are a couple of problems with the idea of capital punishment as a
deterrent. First of all, a portion of the population do not commit
crimes because they are basically good people who know right from wrong
and do not want to do wrong. Then there are those who try not to wrong
because they are are afraid of the consequences. Then there are those
who figure that they can get away with it or just don't care if they get
caught and sent to jail. In some circles it is a badge of honour to have
been in prison.

A lot of murders are crimes of passion. People argue or have fits of
jealousy and simply aren't thinking with their brains. Deterrence does
not work on those people. However.... a lot of murders, especially
domestic murders are the culmination of an escalating pattern of
violence. There are usually preceded by incidents of lour arguing,
verbal abuse and physical abuse. They happen more frequently among
younger couples and usually happen when they are drinking heavily.

Perhaps a better way to deter murders, at least in domestic situations,
is to react more harshly to the incidents of domestic violence that
precede the murders.

On 25/09/2011 1:10 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 9/24/2011 8:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 24/09/2011 8:39 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2011 5:30 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm pretty ready to lock them up after the first one. I'm more on the
>>>> fence when it comes to an absolute certainty they will never do it
>>>> again. To me it's the price. It costs more to execute someone than to
>>>> keep them locked up for life. And the chance of escape.
>>>
>>> I picked your post as a victim but I just wanted to say that while I'm
>>> not a proponent of the death penalty, I think it might have come about
>>> to give the family of the victim closure. I could be wrong. Often am.
>>
>> You may not think that i you knew the sorts of crimes for which the
>> death penalty was applied......theft, treason, cutting down trees,
>> killing chickens. In 18th century Britain, there were 222 crimes to
>> which death penalty could be applied. The US, having started off as
>> British colonies, has similar laws. In Virginia the Divine Moral and
>> Martial Laws provide death penalty for things like stealing grapes and
>> trading with Indians. In New York Duke's Laws the death penatly could be
>> applied to a person who struck their mother or father, and for denying
>> the "true God"
>
> That's all very interesting and barbaric, but I was thinking of the
> death penalty for murder. It's hard to believe in the death penalty for
> cutting down trees or theft.
>

You may well have been thinking that, but you thought the death penalty
may have come about to give the family closure, a term and a concept
that was not even known a century ago. Depending on the circumstances,
homicide was often considered a lesser crime than theft. In days gone
by, someone might be hanged stealing a loaf of bread but get a fine for
killing someone.

Captain Peter Swallows gargled up:

>> Very few countries still use death penalty. I wish the US was
>> one.There are worse things then death.
>
>
> Tell that to the families of the murdered victims.
>
> You've led a very sheltered life, haven't you?


Does Australia still have the death penalty? Checking...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_...ent_by_country

Why... why... NO!

You live in one of those PUSSIFIED countries!

Bob

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:57:52 -0500, Andy wrote:

> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> like you would have the balls or the brains to carry out a murder.
>>
>> blake
>
> No Legs blake murphy,
>
> You clearly obviate your angry mental illness and wishful intentions.
>
> Good thing you won't have children!
>
> Andy

do you know what 'obviate' means? obviously not:

ob·vi·ate (�b'vē-�t')
tr.v., -at·ed, -at·ing, -ates.
To anticipate and dispose of effectively; render unnecessary.

run along and play with the other fourth graders, andy.

blake

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:21:57 -0500, Andy wrote:

> No Legs blake murphy have had the stupid fortune to step on a landmine and
> blow his legs off and live!!!
>
> You and the world would be far better off if you'd have simply just died!!!
>
> Spare us your crippled anger!
>
> Andy

you don't exactly have a lot of room to talk about someone else's 'crippled
anger.'

take your meds and have a drink. several drinks.

blake

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:22:01 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 25/09/2011 11:26 AM, Jerry Avins wrote:
>
>>>
>>> They also should bring back the electric chair and firing squads.
>>
>> If executions are to have any use, they should be deterrents.
>> Criminals should be hanged from a lamppost in the neighborhood where
>> they lived and left dangling for all to contemplate for about a week.
>> Otherwise, why risk killing someone who is really innocent?
>>
>
> There are a couple of problems with the idea of capital punishment as a
> deterrent. First of all, a portion of the population do not commit
> crimes because they are basically good people who know right from wrong
> and do not want to do wrong. Then there are those who try not to wrong
> because they are are afraid of the consequences. Then there are those
> who figure that they can get away with it or just don't care if they get
> caught and sent to jail. In some circles it is a badge of honour to have
> been in prison.
>
> A lot of murders are crimes of passion. People argue or have fits of
> jealousy and simply aren't thinking with their brains. Deterrence does
> not work on those people. However.... a lot of murders, especially
> domestic murders are the culmination of an escalating pattern of
> violence. There are usually preceded by incidents of lour arguing,
> verbal abuse and physical abuse. They happen more frequently among
> younger couples and usually happen when they are drinking heavily.
>
> Perhaps a better way to deter murders, at least in domestic situations,
> is to react more harshly to the incidents of domestic violence that
> precede the murders.

another problem with the death penalty as a deterrent is that murder rates
are higher in states with the death penalty that states that do not:

<http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates>

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 18:49:45 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Captain Peter Swallows gargled up:
>
>>> Very few countries still use death penalty. I wish the US was
>>> one.There are worse things then death.
>>
>>
>> Tell that to the families of the murdered victims.
>>
>> You've led a very sheltered life, haven't you?
>
> Does Australia still have the death penalty? Checking...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_...ent_by_country
>
> Why... why... NO!
>
> You live in one of those PUSSIFIED countries!
>
> Bob

take a gander at countries that still employ the death penalty:

Current use
Belarus · China (PRC) · Cuba · Egypt · India · Iran · Israel · Japan ·
Malaysia · Mongolia · North Korea · Pakistan · Saudi Arabia · Singapore ·
South Korea · Taiwan (ROC) · Tonga · United States · Vietnam

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment>

doesn't that make you feel all warm and runny inside? them folks just
*lurve* them some justice!

your pal,
blake

On Sep 25, 11:23*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:57:52 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick wrote:
> > On Sep 22, 11:56 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> >> All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>
> >>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>
> > Good.
>
> > They also should bring back the electric chair and firing squads.
>
> why not the rack and the iron maiden?
>
> blake

I like the idea of the cement boots.

blake murphy > wrote in
:

>> In some cases yes, in some cases no, and in some cases the
>> handling of the DNA evidence renders it questionable. If you
>> find DNA of a husband who lives in the home where his wife
>> was murdered, how do you use that against him? There is no
>> such thing as a perfect form of evidence.
>>
>> Amanda Knox is a good example. It seems the Italians
>> mishandled the evidence and now it's no good.
>>
>> MartyB
>
> not to mention that it's extremely foolish to think all those
> on death row have DNA evidence against them. more likely
> worthless eyewitnesses.

Or the colour of their skin if in Guantanamo or Bagram...

--

"War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful and
terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

Peter Ustinov

On Sep 25, 11:26*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 19:59:04 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick wrote:
> > On Sep 23, 11:40 am, rosie > wrote:
> >> On Sep 23, 11:35 am, Christopher Helms > wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 22, 11:16 pm, "DavidW" > wrote:
>
> >>> > Mark Thorson wrote:
> >>> > > All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>
> >>> > >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>
> >>> > They could simply place restrictions on it instead.
>
> >>> It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
> >>> guilty.
>
> >> I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.
>
> > *eyeroll* oh here we go....
>
> aww, would that deprive you of precious entertainment?
>
> blake

I love his ideas!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

>> the fact is troy davis was almost certainly innocent of the
>> crime he was executed for.
>
> Not from what I read about it.

The weapon was never recovered. Right there, that is a definite
lack of information in what is specifically a shooting case.

No gun, no prints, no "open and shut case" as Hamilton Burger used
to say. Obviously, habeas corpus only applies to white folk.

--

"War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful and
terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

Peter Ustinov

On 26/09/2011 2:44 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
> Dave > wrote in
> :
>
>>> the fact is troy davis was almost certainly innocent of the
>>> crime he was executed for.
>>
>> Not from what I read about it.
>
> The weapon was never recovered. Right there, that is a definite
> lack of information in what is specifically a shooting case.
>
> No gun, no prints, no "open and shut case" as Hamilton Burger used
> to say. Obviously, habeas corpus only applies to white folk.
>

There is no single set of rules about what pieces of evidence constitute
proof, and there was lots of other evidence. There were seven witnesses
who testified that they saw Davis shoot McPhail, ad two others who
testified that Davis had confessed to them that he had done it.

Murder weapons are often discarded. Ballistics testing linked the gun to
another shooting in which Davis was involved.

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:51:33 -0500, Bull >
wrote:

>In article
>,
> rosie > wrote:
>
>> On Sep 23, 1:03*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>> > rosie wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sep 23, 11:35 am, Christopher *Helms > wrote:
>> >
>> > > > It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
>> > > > guilty.
>> >
>> > > I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.
>> >
>> > I was pro-death penalty until I read about this case:
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
>> >
>> > That tipped me over. *If the only way to stop Texas
>> > from executing innocent people is to ban it nationally,
>> > I'm in favor of that.
>>
>> There are worse things then death.
>
>Your right worser things happen "then" death! LOL
>
>bull

YOU'RE a eunuch!

On 24/09/2011 3:20 AM, rosie wrote:
> On Sep 23, 11:55 am, Chemo the > wrote:
>> On Sep 23, 9:40 am, > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 23, 11:35 am, Christopher > wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sep 22, 11:16 pm, > wrote:
>>
>>>>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>>>> All it takes is one jerk to ruin it for everybody.
>>
>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040000
>>
>>>>> They could simply place restrictions on it instead.
>>
>>>> It's Texas. Be grateful that the guy they executed was actually
>>>> guilty.
>>
>>> I look for the day when the death penalty is totally abolished.
>>
>> I look for the day when we don't have to wait years and years before
>> we execute. I suppose if you husband and kids were brutally murdered,
>> you'd still want the killer to get life in prison? Three meals a day,
>> all the sex they want, drugs, tv...
> I think I would be devestated if something of that sort happened.
> However, I do not believe death penalty is the way to deal with a
> crime. We all die anyway, if we can give them life with out parole, it
> can be pretty bad. As for the food, I doubt very much if iit is all
> that tasty. Sex? Well.. I am not sure if it is all that pleasant in
> prison.And on a practical note, it costs more to go through a death
> penalty phase with all the hoopla that goes with it than it does to
> house them the rest of their lives.

Life without parole is a tremendous drain on society. Do you know how
much it costs to keep one prisoner for one year? Do some Googling.

Why should a murderer spend the rest of his or her life as a burden on
society? I think that it should be more like China, none of this twenty
years on death row with endless appeals. In China they sentence them and
carry out the sentence within hours in many cases. The only issue is
ensuring that no one who is innocent get executed. We have the means to
tell whether someone is lying, but as it involves potentially dangerous
drugs, they are not used in the western world. Once a person is found
guilty of a capital crime they could be forcibly tested for truthfulness
and released if it turns out that the verdict was wrong. Executed the
same day if it was correct.

Dave Smith > wrote in
:

>> The weapon was never recovered. Right there, that is a
>> definite lack of information in what is specifically a
>> shooting case.
>>
>> No gun, no prints, no "open and shut case" as Hamilton Burger
>> used to say. Obviously, habeas corpus only applies to white
>> folk.
>
> There is no single set of rules about what pieces of evidence
> constitute proof, and there was lots of other evidence. There
> were seven witnesses who testified that they saw Davis shoot
> McPhail, ad two others who testified that Davis had confessed
> to them that he had done it.

And eye witnesses are known for being *so* reliable!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witness#Reliability

> Murder weapons are often discarded. Ballistics testing linked
> the gun to another shooting in which Davis was involved.

No gun, no proof it was him that did the shooting.

--

"War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful and
terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

Peter Ustinov

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:23:31 +1000, Sock wrote:

> We have the means to
> tell whether someone is lying, but as it involves potentially dangerous
> drugs, they are not used in the western world.

sorry, but this is bullshit. there are drugs that remove inhibitions, but
you're just as like to babble gibberish as tell the truth:

According to prevailing medical thought, information obtained under the
influence of intravenously-administered sodium amytal can be unreliable;
subjects may mix fact and fantasy in that context. Skeptics imply that much
of the claimed effect of the drug relies on the belief of the subject that
he or she cannot tell a lie while under its influence. Some observers also
feel that amobarbital does not increase truth-telling, but merely increases
talking; hence, both truth and fabrication are more likely to be revealed
in that construct.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_drug>

blake

On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:39:20 -0500, Michel Boucher wrote:

> blake murphy > wrote in
> :
>
>>> In some cases yes, in some cases no, and in some cases the
>>> handling of the DNA evidence renders it questionable. If you
>>> find DNA of a husband who lives in the home where his wife
>>> was murdered, how do you use that against him? There is no
>>> such thing as a perfect form of evidence.
>>>
>>> Amanda Knox is a good example. It seems the Italians
>>> mishandled the evidence and now it's no good.
>>>
>>> MartyB
>>
>> not to mention that it's extremely foolish to think all those
>> on death row have DNA evidence against them. more likely
>> worthless eyewitnesses.
>
> Or the colour of their skin if in Guantanamo or Bagram...

or texas, or georgia, or...

your pal,
blake