like you for the first several years we were at one set or the other of
parents so saw no need to decorate. then the cats came, it allowed me to not
have to decorate, don't get me wrong, i enjoy christmas, food friends,
family and jesisu are all a big part of my life... but not deocrations, my
sister is the same way... maybe because my mother does so much of it, she
goes all out, and its gorgous, dh says since i can't see it anymore its even
better than when i could see, but then how could it not be, with santa and
rein deer on the roof and in the back yard, navity in front yard and the
three wise men at the entrance to the drive way, lol, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>I asked this question elsewhere but got no answer. But I know there are a
>lot of cat people so I thought I would ask here.
>
> My deceased cat, Maui never messed with my Christmas tree. Of course for
> the first many years of her life, I only had a wall tree. I wasn't much
> into putting up a tree or taking it down and many years we went to my
> in-law's house in another state for Christmas.
>
> When my daughter was born, I decided she needed a tree. Had a real one
> that first year and artificial ones after. First a little one then big
> ones. I only used unbreakable ornaments until she was 4. I have some
> antique ornaments and we collect a lot that look like animals, flowers and
> other fancy things. I'm not so much into the plain ones.
>
> Well, Maui never bothered the tree at all. Or the presents for that
> matter. But she is gone now.
>
> Our two new cats are mom and baby. Mom just turned three and baby is one.
> Mom is somewhat curious but not that bad. Baby however just had a growth
> spurt and can now climb to new heights. She is into anything and
> everything. Because I make jewelry, I have some retail type racks for
> earrings and necklaces on my dresser. She was up there this morning
> batting the jewelry around. She also found the three little pumpkins that
> I bought for my daughter. They were in a net bag. She had the bag in her
> mouth and was dragging it around trying to get the pumpkins out. Mom
> seemed fascinated with the pumpkins as well and liked to sniff them.
>
> So I got to thinking... What might they do to a Christmas tree? The
> thoughts weren't good. So I told my daughter we would not put up our tree
> this year. Got a new one last year. Tall and slim. Pale pink with dark
> pink lights. Very pretty and goes well with our selection of ornaments.
> But I had visions of the baby climbing it, biting at the lights and
> batting at the ornaments. Daughter didn't think the wall tree would be
> safe either because where we put it on the wall is a place they could
> easily reach if they got into the window.
>
> So... I found a two foot high sliver tree with white lights and small
> plastic balls at Target. It's a little pathetic looking but seemingly
> unbreakable and festive. I bought it. Figured it would be easy enough to
> pick up and take elsewhere if the cats start biting the lights.
>
> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will the
> baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real glass
> ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I wouldn't use that.
> She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got that
> from. But she did eat it and puked it. People have told me to hang the
> tree from the ceiling but I haven't a clue how to do that. And when I ask
> them what they mean by hanging it they just look at me like I am an idiot.
> One person said she just used a macramé plant hanger. I thought perhaps
> she meant that she was using one of those maybe foot high real decorated
> trees. But she said she had a really big one. That wouldn't work here
> anyway because I have low ceilings. I would have to have like an 8 inch
> tree hung close to the ceiling for them not to get to it. They can both
> jump really high. I am beginning to think that Maui was in some way
> abnormal. She just never jumped on things at all.
>

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:14:13 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:01:13 -0500, George Leppla
> wrote:
>
>> Sheldon, you are nuts. That is a nice job on a re-finished deck and
>> there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a gas grill on it.
>
>You haven't figured out yet that he's a dictator who belittles anyone
>who dares to think independently and do something different from what
>he does or decrees? He's just jealous he didn't know about that
>coating so he could show off his new looking old deck first.

I don't give a fiddler's **** about any deck, MORONS, it'a the propane
that's dangerous right up against the house, and the grill on a
flammable wooden deck creates a death trap. I don't know where she
lives but that set up is very likely illegal too... and if there's a
holocast the homeowner's ins won't cover it. I was only giving some
helpful advice but I really don't care if she burns her family to a
crisp... someone I worked with did exactly that by grilling on a
wooden deck. And George is probably the most ignorant, most
uneducated, no common sense slimey ******* to have ever slithered into
RFC... only sf has him beat.

a cats shedding depends on several factors, genetics, type of food and that
means sepcific for that cat, some do better on grain free some not, and type
of tempurature in the house. the same is true for allergies, my father is
hyper allergic to all cats except siamese, everything else will send him to
the hospital if he is in a closed room with them.

declaw is not necceary and in most instances wrong. i choose to not judge
individuals for doing it, i just find that a bit of work and a bit less
materialism is probably in order, some cats never claw furniture some won't
quit chewing and clawing without claws, a good scratching post, paitence and
a water bottle sprayer can if the person is dilligent do the work... if you
are considering declaw do a google and look at pictures and in the end
decide for yourself, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> Kalmia wrote:
>> On Oct 18, 8:18 pm, A Moose in Love >
>> wrote:
>>> On Oct 18, 7:21 pm, Cheryl > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10/18/2011 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I asked this question elsewhere but got no answer. But I know
>>>>> there are a lot of cat people so I thought I would ask here.
>>>
>>>>> My deceased cat, Maui never messed with my Christmas tree. Of
>>>>> course for
>>>>> the first many years of her life, I only had a wall tree. I wasn't
>>>>> much
>>>>> into putting up a tree or taking it down and many years we went to
>>>>> my in-law's house in another state for Christmas.
>>>
>>>>> When my daughter was born, I decided she needed a tree. Had a real
>>>>> one that first year and artificial ones after. First a little one
>>>>> then big ones. I only used unbreakable ornaments until she was 4.
>>>>> I have some antique ornaments and we collect a lot that look like
>>>>> animals, flowers and other fancy things. I'm not so much into the
>>>>> plain ones.
>>>
>>>>> Well, Maui never bothered the tree at all. Or the presents for
>>>>> that matter. But she is gone now.
>>>
>>>>> Our two new cats are mom and baby. Mom just turned three and baby
>>>>> is one. Mom is somewhat curious but not that bad. Baby however
>>>>> just had a growth spurt and can now climb to new heights. She is
>>>>> into anything and
>>>>> everything. Because I make jewelry, I have some retail type racks
>>>>> for earrings and necklaces on my dresser. She was up there this
>>>>> morning batting the jewelry around. She also found the three
>>>>> little pumpkins that I bought for my daughter. They were in a net
>>>>> bag. She had the bag in her mouth and was dragging it around
>>>>> trying to get the pumpkins out. Mom seemed
>>>>> fascinated with the pumpkins as well and liked to sniff them.
>>>
>>>>> So I got to thinking... What might they do to a Christmas tree? The
>>>>> thoughts weren't good. So I told my daughter we would not put up
>>>>> our tree this year. Got a new one last year. Tall and slim. Pale
>>>>> pink with dark
>>>>> pink lights. Very pretty and goes well with our selection of
>>>>> ornaments.
>>>>> But I had visions of the baby climbing it, biting at the lights
>>>>> and batting at the ornaments. Daughter didn't think the wall tree
>>>>> would be safe either because where we put it on the wall is a
>>>>> place they could easily reach if they got into the window.
>>>
>>>>> So... I found a two foot high sliver tree with white lights and
>>>>> small plastic balls at Target. It's a little pathetic looking but
>>>>> seemingly unbreakable and festive. I bought it. Figured it would
>>>>> be easy enough to pick up and take elsewhere if the cats start
>>>>> biting the lights.
>>>
>>>>> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again?
>>>>> Will the baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree
>>>>> with real glass ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So
>>>>> I wouldn't use that.
>>>>> She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got
>>>>> that from. But she did eat it and puked it. People have told me to
>>>>> hang the tree from the ceiling but I haven't a clue how to do
>>>>> that. And when I ask them what they mean by hanging it they just
>>>>> look at me like I am an idiot. One person said she just used a
>>>>> macram� plant hanger. I thought perhaps she meant that she was
>>>>> using one of those maybe foot high real decorated trees. But she
>>>>> said she had a really big one. That wouldn't work here anyway
>>>>> because I
>>>>> have low ceilings. I would have to have like an 8 inch tree hung
>>>>> close to the ceiling for them not to get to it. They can both jump
>>>>> really high. I
>>>>> am beginning to think that Maui was in some way abnormal. She just
>>>>> never jumped on things at all.
>>>
>>>> I didn't put up a tree for several years for a few reasons, and one
>>>> was young cats in the house. Last year I put one up and I do hang
>>>> it from the ceiling. It just means put a hook in the ceiling (a
>>>> hook you hang on the back of a bathroom door for a bathrobe works)
>>>> and tie some fishing line or other fine string around the top of
>>>> the tree, and the other end around the hook. The tree still reaches
>>>> the floor and is in a tree base. It prevents them from knocking it
>>>> over. I hang unbreakable ornaments where they can be reached by
>>>> curious cats, but be careful with the hooks. It doesn't stop from
>>>> finding an ornament from higher up on the floor now and then.
>>>
>>> I'm just curious, what's involved in having a cat as a pet. I live in
>>> the city, and think that dogs should be unchained and running free.
>>> However cats, it doesn't seem to hurt them that they are cooped up
>>> inside for many days.
>>> How much are vets fees, do they shed, etc. The only experience I have
>>> are with cats that lived on our farm, and ran around outside. I don't
>>> want to declaw them, but is that necessary? etc.
>>
>> Figure a good thou a year for vet bills, food, litter......
>> Yeah, they lose hair like crazy.
>
> Ballerina and Jazzy do not seem to shed at all. And then there are those
> hairless cats.
>
> I pay $40 for a large bag of the NOW! food. It is grainless. One bag
> lasts a long time. I got these cats back in March or April and I think
> they are on their 3rd or 4th bag now. They also each get an Appetizer for
> breakfast. These cost about $1 on sale. For dinner they each get a small
> can of Fancy Feast which I have gotten on sale for about 50 cents each.
> Once in a while I will get a coupon for it. And they do love their
> treats! I have gotten lots of treat on sale with coupons. And Winco
> sells tuna treats that are 99 cents a bag. Those are their favorites.
> These cats do not eat people food at all. Maui would always beg for our
> food. She loved mashed potatoes, Pringles, Fritos, cheese and in her
> later years, chicken and turkey and gravy. Not that she got these things
> often. But if you were to leave your plate unattended... Well... You
> can guess what came next.
>

as to scratching posts, type of surface makes a difference, carpet, leather,
cycil, sp rope or corregated cardboard are some choices, Lee
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/18/2011 8:18 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
>> I'm just curious, what's involved in having a cat as a pet. I live in
>> the city, and think that dogs should be unchained and running free.
>> However cats, it doesn't seem to hurt them that they are cooped up
>> inside for many days.
>> How much are vets fees, do they shed, etc. The only experience I have
>> are with cats that lived on our farm, and ran around outside. I don't
>> want to declaw them, but is that necessary? etc.
>
> First, there is no reason to declaw a cat. They come with claws and if
> you don't like that feature, pick another pet.
>
> They mostly do shed, and they scratch things. You can give them things
> that belong to them to scratch on, and trust me, they learn that they
> belong to them and they can scratch to their hearts content. You have to
> learn what they like to scratch. Some like vertical, some like
> horizontal. I offer both for scratching. I have cat trees that fit the
> decor of the rooms they are in, and are located where they can climb and
> love to look over their domain. I have smaller scratching posts at the
> corner of furniture that the cats would like to scratch, but the posts are
> more delightful for them so they use them.
>
> Vet bills are something you can't predict. I once used a vet insurance
> policy but the first time they paid out it was so small it wasn't worth
> it. I just plan for it in my budget. Regular exams for my cats are about
> $35 but it can vary, and of course shots or other treatment will be more.
>
> Go for high quality food because it will likely lead to lower vet bills
> from better nutrition.
>
> Environmental enrichment is important. More than one cat will help them
> have buddies. Sometimes they get along, sometimes they don't, but they
> have their own kind around and usually bond even just for grooming or
> playing (which can get rough). They may never be buddies but could
> surprise you because their purrsonalities change and they can settle down
> after they get comfortable.
>
> I just offer plenty of climbing places because they love to be on top.
> They like windows to survey their outside domain even if they don't go out
> their. I went one further step and had a screened in porch built for
> them. I'm still getting things in there for them so for now, it's just a
> chair and a couple of perches to be "up" which is what they like. They
> like to chew grass but it always make them hork and the grass hasn't grown
> yet in their outside thing so they fight over the few strands that do
> grow.
>
> Here's a pic from part of a series from my deck renovation.
> http://i54.tinypic.com/11cdson.jpg
>

and is noones business but yours the cat enclosure NOT your lawn was the
point, guess there is some bit of jealousy there. btw, will the kitty porch
be helpful if you have other work done on th house? i mean can they mostly
go to the porch instead of another room if you have things done? Lee
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/18/2011 10:02 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:35:24 -0400, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/18/2011 8:18 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm just curious, what's involved in having a cat as a pet. I live in
>>>> the city, and think that dogs should be unchained and running free.
>>>> However cats, it doesn't seem to hurt them that they are cooped up
>>>> inside for many days.
>>>> How much are vets fees, do they shed, etc. The only experience I have
>>>> are with cats that lived on our farm, and ran around outside. I don't
>>>> want to declaw them, but is that necessary? etc.
>>>
>>> First, there is no reason to declaw a cat. They come with claws and if
>>> you don't like that feature, pick another pet.
>>>
>>> They mostly do shed, and they scratch things. You can give them things
>>> that belong to them to scratch on, and trust me, they learn that they
>>> belong to them and they can scratch to their hearts content. You have to
>>> learn what they like to scratch. Some like vertical, some like
>>> horizontal. I offer both for scratching. I have cat trees that fit the
>>> decor of the rooms they are in, and are located where they can climb and
>>> love to look over their domain. I have smaller scratching posts at the
>>> corner of furniture that the cats would like to scratch, but the posts
>>> are more delightful for them so they use them.
>>>
>>> Vet bills are something you can't predict. I once used a vet insurance
>>> policy but the first time they paid out it was so small it wasn't worth
>>> it. I just plan for it in my budget. Regular exams for my cats are
>>> about $35 but it can vary, and of course shots or other treatment will
>>> be more.
>>>
>>> Go for high quality food because it will likely lead to lower vet bills
>>>from better nutrition.
>>>
>>> Environmental enrichment is important. More than one cat will help them
>>> have buddies. Sometimes they get along, sometimes they don't, but they
>>> have their own kind around and usually bond even just for grooming or
>>> playing (which can get rough). They may never be buddies but could
>>> surprise you because their purrsonalities change and they can settle
>>> down after they get comfortable.
>>>
>>> I just offer plenty of climbing places because they love to be on top.
>>> They like windows to survey their outside domain even if they don't go
>>> out their. I went one further step and had a screened in porch built
>>> for them. I'm still getting things in there for them so for now, it's
>>> just a chair and a couple of perches to be "up" which is what they like.
>>> They like to chew grass but it always make them hork and the grass
>>> hasn't grown yet in their outside thing so they fight over the few
>>> strands that do grow.
>>>
>>> Here's a pic from part of a series from my deck renovation.
>>> http://i54.tinypic.com/11cdson.jpg
>>
>> That's a nice deck, looks new. But I hope you're not going to always
>> have such a crappy lawn. Take that damn grill off your deck before
>> you have a disaster... put it on your crappy lawn, at least 15 feet
>> from anything that can burn.
>
> Shows how much you know. It's an old deck refinished with a composite
> coating finished just this weekend. The lawn has suffered during the
> work.
>
>

you know it occurs to me that people who have to nitpick really must be
eternally miserable ... Lee
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/18/2011 10:47 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:10:07 -0400, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/18/2011 10:02 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:35:24 -0400, >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/18/2011 8:18 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just curious, what's involved in having a cat as a pet. I live
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the city, and think that dogs should be unchained and running free.
>>>>>> However cats, it doesn't seem to hurt them that they are cooped up
>>>>>> inside for many days.
>>>>>> How much are vets fees, do they shed, etc. The only experience I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> are with cats that lived on our farm, and ran around outside. I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> want to declaw them, but is that necessary? etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, there is no reason to declaw a cat. They come with claws and
>>>>> if
>>>>> you don't like that feature, pick another pet.
>>>>>
>>>>> They mostly do shed, and they scratch things. You can give them
>>>>> things
>>>>> that belong to them to scratch on, and trust me, they learn that they
>>>>> belong to them and they can scratch to their hearts content. You have
>>>>> to
>>>>> learn what they like to scratch. Some like vertical, some like
>>>>> horizontal. I offer both for scratching. I have cat trees that fit
>>>>> the
>>>>> decor of the rooms they are in, and are located where they can climb
>>>>> and
>>>>> love to look over their domain. I have smaller scratching posts at the
>>>>> corner of furniture that the cats would like to scratch, but the posts
>>>>> are more delightful for them so they use them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vet bills are something you can't predict. I once used a vet
>>>>> insurance
>>>>> policy but the first time they paid out it was so small it wasn't
>>>>> worth
>>>>> it. I just plan for it in my budget. Regular exams for my cats are
>>>>> about $35 but it can vary, and of course shots or other treatment will
>>>>> be more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go for high quality food because it will likely lead to lower vet
>>>>> bills
>>>> >from better nutrition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Environmental enrichment is important. More than one cat will help
>>>>> them
>>>>> have buddies. Sometimes they get along, sometimes they don't, but
>>>>> they
>>>>> have their own kind around and usually bond even just for grooming or
>>>>> playing (which can get rough). They may never be buddies but could
>>>>> surprise you because their purrsonalities change and they can settle
>>>>> down after they get comfortable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just offer plenty of climbing places because they love to be on top.
>>>>> They like windows to survey their outside domain even if they don't go
>>>>> out their. I went one further step and had a screened in porch built
>>>>> for them. I'm still getting things in there for them so for now, it's
>>>>> just a chair and a couple of perches to be "up" which is what they
>>>>> like.
>>>>> They like to chew grass but it always make them hork and the grass
>>>>> hasn't grown yet in their outside thing so they fight over the few
>>>>> strands that do grow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a pic from part of a series from my deck renovation.
>>>>> http://i54.tinypic.com/11cdson.jpg
>>>>
>>>> That's a nice deck, looks new. But I hope you're not going to always
>>>> have such a crappy lawn. Take that damn grill off your deck before
>>>> you have a disaster... put it on your crappy lawn, at least 15 feet
>>>> from anything that can burn.
>>>
>>> Here's the rest of the "after" pics of the deck.
>>>
>>> http://i56.tinypic.com/2rc1hd3.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i52.tinypic.com/2iu9n3a.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i55.tinypic.com/2w69q3o.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i51.tinypic.com/1z8cpk.jpg
>>
>> Looks like a slum... get that propane tank out of there and get the
>> grill off the deck. There's something wrong with your widdle brain.
>>
>>> http://i52.tinypic.com/2dh9njt.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i54.tinypic.com/11cdson.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i55.tinypic.com/14kd2qc.jpg
>
> What about the tarp rolled up next to the propane tank?
>

lol!!! Lee
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/18/2011 10:47 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:10:07 -0400, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/18/2011 10:02 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:35:24 -0400, >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/18/2011 8:18 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just curious, what's involved in having a cat as a pet. I live
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the city, and think that dogs should be unchained and running free.
>>>>>> However cats, it doesn't seem to hurt them that they are cooped up
>>>>>> inside for many days.
>>>>>> How much are vets fees, do they shed, etc. The only experience I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> are with cats that lived on our farm, and ran around outside. I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> want to declaw them, but is that necessary? etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, there is no reason to declaw a cat. They come with claws and
>>>>> if
>>>>> you don't like that feature, pick another pet.
>>>>>
>>>>> They mostly do shed, and they scratch things. You can give them
>>>>> things
>>>>> that belong to them to scratch on, and trust me, they learn that they
>>>>> belong to them and they can scratch to their hearts content. You have
>>>>> to
>>>>> learn what they like to scratch. Some like vertical, some like
>>>>> horizontal. I offer both for scratching. I have cat trees that fit
>>>>> the
>>>>> decor of the rooms they are in, and are located where they can climb
>>>>> and
>>>>> love to look over their domain. I have smaller scratching posts at the
>>>>> corner of furniture that the cats would like to scratch, but the posts
>>>>> are more delightful for them so they use them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vet bills are something you can't predict. I once used a vet
>>>>> insurance
>>>>> policy but the first time they paid out it was so small it wasn't
>>>>> worth
>>>>> it. I just plan for it in my budget. Regular exams for my cats are
>>>>> about $35 but it can vary, and of course shots or other treatment will
>>>>> be more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go for high quality food because it will likely lead to lower vet
>>>>> bills
>>>> >from better nutrition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Environmental enrichment is important. More than one cat will help
>>>>> them
>>>>> have buddies. Sometimes they get along, sometimes they don't, but
>>>>> they
>>>>> have their own kind around and usually bond even just for grooming or
>>>>> playing (which can get rough). They may never be buddies but could
>>>>> surprise you because their purrsonalities change and they can settle
>>>>> down after they get comfortable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just offer plenty of climbing places because they love to be on top.
>>>>> They like windows to survey their outside domain even if they don't go
>>>>> out their. I went one further step and had a screened in porch built
>>>>> for them. I'm still getting things in there for them so for now, it's
>>>>> just a chair and a couple of perches to be "up" which is what they
>>>>> like.
>>>>> They like to chew grass but it always make them hork and the grass
>>>>> hasn't grown yet in their outside thing so they fight over the few
>>>>> strands that do grow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a pic from part of a series from my deck renovation.
>>>>> http://i54.tinypic.com/11cdson.jpg
>>>>
>>>> That's a nice deck, looks new. But I hope you're not going to always
>>>> have such a crappy lawn. Take that damn grill off your deck before
>>>> you have a disaster... put it on your crappy lawn, at least 15 feet
>>>> from anything that can burn.
>>>
>>> Here's the rest of the "after" pics of the deck.
>>>
>>> http://i56.tinypic.com/2rc1hd3.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i52.tinypic.com/2iu9n3a.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i55.tinypic.com/2w69q3o.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i51.tinypic.com/1z8cpk.jpg
>>
>> Looks like a slum... get that propane tank out of there and get the
>> grill off the deck. There's something wrong with your widdle brain.
>>
>>> http://i52.tinypic.com/2dh9njt.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i54.tinypic.com/11cdson.jpg
>>>
>>> http://i55.tinypic.com/14kd2qc.jpg
>
> What about the weed growing over the screen door that doesn't belong
> there?
>
> You can't see the chipmunk holes under there. Should I fill them in?

this is totally bogus, again as with most thing one size or sterotype or
generalzation doesn't work, the average life span of an outdoor cat even
with human care is two to four years, my mother's last cat never once came
in the house and died at age 18, i currently have two cats who even when
given the oppertunity to go outdoors will fight to the death to remain
indoors, so there is first of all no health benifit to going outdoors, at
least according to cornelle univ research, and second, its what the cat is
used to and what the human aclimatises them to, Lee
"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/18/2011 8:18 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
>> I'm just curious, what's involved in having a cat as a pet. I live in
>> the city, and think that dogs should be unchained and running free.
>> However cats, it doesn't seem to hurt them that they are cooped up
>> inside for many days.
>
> Most any cat will want to go outside for at least a little while
> each day. Cats who are trapped indoors are not as happy.
>
> Unfortunately outdoor life poses some risks for cats. It's a trade-off
> and there is no single answer.
>
> We formerly would leave a cat trapped inside for up to four days
> while we were out of town, but we eventually came to understand
> they do not like this and it can even wear a bit on their health.
> Now we seldom leave them inside for as much as 24 hours.
>
>
> Steve

we just got some treatment for the cats teeth that you just put in as best
you can easier abit than trying to brush, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>A Moose in Love wrote:
>> On Oct 18, 7:21 pm, Cheryl > wrote:
>>> On 10/18/2011 6:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> I asked this question elsewhere but got no answer. But I know there
>>>> are a lot of cat people so I thought I would ask here.
>>>
>>>> My deceased cat, Maui never messed with my Christmas tree. Of
>>>> course for
>>>> the first many years of her life, I only had a wall tree. I wasn't
>>>> much
>>>> into putting up a tree or taking it down and many years we went to
>>>> my in-law's house in another state for Christmas.
>>>
>>>> When my daughter was born, I decided she needed a tree. Had a real
>>>> one that first year and artificial ones after. First a little one
>>>> then big ones. I only used unbreakable ornaments until she was 4. I
>>>> have some antique ornaments and we collect a lot that look like
>>>> animals, flowers and other fancy things. I'm not so much into the
>>>> plain ones.
>>>
>>>> Well, Maui never bothered the tree at all. Or the presents for that
>>>> matter. But she is gone now.
>>>
>>>> Our two new cats are mom and baby. Mom just turned three and baby
>>>> is one. Mom is somewhat curious but not that bad. Baby however just
>>>> had a growth spurt and can now climb to new heights. She is into
>>>> anything and
>>>> everything. Because I make jewelry, I have some retail type racks
>>>> for earrings and necklaces on my dresser. She was up there this
>>>> morning batting the jewelry around. She also found the three little
>>>> pumpkins that I bought for my daughter. They were in a net bag. She
>>>> had the bag in her mouth and was dragging it around trying to get
>>>> the pumpkins out. Mom seemed
>>>> fascinated with the pumpkins as well and liked to sniff them.
>>>
>>>> So I got to thinking... What might they do to a Christmas tree? The
>>>> thoughts weren't good. So I told my daughter we would not put up
>>>> our tree this year. Got a new one last year. Tall and slim. Pale
>>>> pink with dark
>>>> pink lights. Very pretty and goes well with our selection of
>>>> ornaments.
>>>> But I had visions of the baby climbing it, biting at the lights and
>>>> batting at the ornaments. Daughter didn't think the wall tree would
>>>> be safe either because where we put it on the wall is a place they
>>>> could easily reach if they got into the window.
>>>
>>>> So... I found a two foot high sliver tree with white lights and
>>>> small plastic balls at Target. It's a little pathetic looking but
>>>> seemingly unbreakable and festive. I bought it. Figured it would be
>>>> easy enough to pick up and take elsewhere if the cats start biting
>>>> the lights.
>>>
>>>> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again?
>>>> Will the baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree
>>>> with real glass ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I
>>>> wouldn't use that.
>>>> She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got
>>>> that from. But she did eat it and puked it. People have told me to
>>>> hang the tree from the ceiling but I haven't a clue how to do that.
>>>> And when I ask them what they mean by hanging it they just look at
>>>> me like I am an idiot. One person said she just used a macram�
>>>> plant hanger. I thought perhaps she meant that she was using one of
>>>> those maybe foot high real decorated trees. But she said she had a
>>>> really big one. That wouldn't work here anyway because I
>>>> have low ceilings. I would have to have like an 8 inch tree hung
>>>> close to the ceiling for them not to get to it. They can both jump
>>>> really high. I
>>>> am beginning to think that Maui was in some way abnormal. She just
>>>> never jumped on things at all.
>>>
>>> I didn't put up a tree for several years for a few reasons, and one
>>> was young cats in the house. Last year I put one up and I do hang it
>>> from the ceiling. It just means put a hook in the ceiling (a hook
>>> you hang on the back of a bathroom door for a bathrobe works) and
>>> tie some fishing line or other fine string around the top of the
>>> tree, and the other end around the hook. The tree still reaches the
>>> floor and is in a tree base. It prevents them from knocking it over.
>>> I hang unbreakable ornaments where they can be reached by curious
>>> cats, but be careful with the hooks. It doesn't stop from finding an
>>> ornament from higher up on the floor now and then.
>>
>> I'm just curious, what's involved in having a cat as a pet. I live in
>> the city, and think that dogs should be unchained and running free.
>> However cats, it doesn't seem to hurt them that they are cooped up
>> inside for many days.
>> How much are vets fees, do they shed, etc. The only experience I have
>> are with cats that lived on our farm, and ran around outside. I don't
>> want to declaw them, but is that necessary? etc.
>
> Declawing a cat means to amputate their toes. Not something I would
> *ever* do. However if the claws get too long and sharp, the very tips can
> be clipped just like we clip our own nails. The baby lets us do this.
> Mom does not. Groomers will do it for a fee. And the vet will do it when
> they are in there.
>
> Cats certainly can shed. All cats will do it to some extent seasonally.
> They get a thicker winter coat and when Spring comes, it will shed off.
> Maui had sort of a mixed coat. Very thick hair, shorter on her back and
> long fur on the tummy. At times she could shed quite a lot. These cats
> are suspected to be part Siamese. They have very short, sparse hair and
> so far seem to shed very little if any. Long haired cats require daily
> brushing and some breeds such as Persians require eye cleaning as well.
> Cats usually do not need baths.
>
> My cats never go outdoors. I had to sign papers that I would not allow
> them outdoors. It can be dangerous to let a cat out in this area. We
> live on a street that can be busy at times and there are wild animals in
> the area. Many people do let their cats run wild but I won't do this. If
> I get enough money though, I will have built an enclosure in the backyard
> so the cats can go out in it on nice days. We do have an area that is
> currently a kid's playground but since my daughter is older it is no
> longer being used. This would be a good place to put a cat enclosure.
>
> Vet bills really do vary depending on why the cat is going to the vet.
> And they can vary from vet to vet. Sometimes there are mobile vets who go
> from place to place giving shots. This can be very inexpensive. You can
> also get inexpensive shots at various pet stores. And some stores now
> offer veterinary services for less. Some vets treat cats only. We just
> go to a regular vet.
>
> When Maui developed a growth on her eye it was about $1,000 to have it
> removed. I only remember that price because she had the operation mere
> days before she had to be put to sleep from kidney failure. Because her
> kidneys and thyroid were bad, she had to go to the vet frequently and her
> meds were not cheap. But she was nearly 18 when she died so she had a
> long life.
>
> She also had to have her teeth descaled and have some tooth extractions.
> You can get toothbrushes and paste for cats but she would never let me
> brush her teeth. Our current baby has let us brush a few teeth at a time.
> In fact she seems to enjoy the toothbrush. Her mom, not so much. So I
> feed them dental treats once in a while that are supposed to help.
>

this just shows how little brain pwer is at work here, you have said more
than once you adopted them as a pair from a shelter, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Chemo the Clown" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Oct 18, 3:28 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> I asked this question elsewhere but got no answer. But I know there are a
>> lot of cat people so I thought I would ask here.
>>
>> My deceased cat, Maui never messed with my Christmas tree. Of course for
>> the first many years of her life, I only had a wall tree. I wasn't much
>> into putting up a tree or taking it down and many years we went to my
>> in-law's house in another state for Christmas.
>>
>> When my daughter was born, I decided she needed a tree. Had a real one
>> that
>> first year and artificial ones after. First a little one then big ones. I
>> only used unbreakable ornaments until she was 4. I have some antique
>> ornaments and we collect a lot that look like animals, flowers and other
>> fancy things. I'm not so much into the plain ones.
>>
>> Well, Maui never bothered the tree at all. Or the presents for that
>> matter.
>> But she is gone now.
>>
>> Our two new cats are mom and baby. Mom just turned three and baby is one.
>> Mom is somewhat curious but not that bad. Baby however just had a growth
>> spurt and can now climb to new heights. She is into anything and
>> everything. Because I make jewelry, I have some retail type racks for
>> earrings and necklaces on my dresser. She was up there this morning
>> batting
>> the jewelry around. She also found the three little pumpkins that I
>> bought
>> for my daughter. They were in a net bag. She had the bag in her mouth and
>> was dragging it around trying to get the pumpkins out. Mom seemed
>> fascinated with the pumpkins as well and liked to sniff them.
>>
>> So I got to thinking... What might they do to a Christmas tree? The
>> thoughts weren't good. So I told my daughter we would not put up our tree
>> this year. Got a new one last year. Tall and slim. Pale pink with dark
>> pink lights. Very pretty and goes well with our selection of ornaments.
>> But I had visions of the baby climbing it, biting at the lights and
>> batting
>> at the ornaments. Daughter didn't think the wall tree would be safe
>> either
>> because where we put it on the wall is a place they could easily reach if
>> they got into the window.
>>
>> So... I found a two foot high sliver tree with white lights and small
>> plastic balls at Target. It's a little pathetic looking but seemingly
>> unbreakable and festive. I bought it. Figured it would be easy enough to
>> pick up and take elsewhere if the cats start biting the lights.
>>
>> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will the
>> baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real glass
>> ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I wouldn't use that.
>> She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got that
>> from.
>> But she did eat it and puked it. People have told me to hang the tree
>> from
>> the ceiling but I haven't a clue how to do that. And when I ask them what
>> they mean by hanging it they just look at me like I am an idiot. One
>> person
>> said she just used a macram� plant hanger. I thought perhaps she meant
>> that
>> she was using one of those maybe foot high real decorated trees. But she
>> said she had a really big one. That wouldn't work here anyway because I
>> have low ceilings. I would have to have like an 8 inch tree hung close to
>> the ceiling for them not to get to it. They can both jump really high. I
>> am beginning to think that Maui was in some way abnormal. She just never
>> jumped on things at all.
>
> I hope you got the mother cat spayed.
>
> She already was. They were shelter cats.
>

spray bottle is a very individual thing i have one cat that will stop what
he is doing and turn and stare then pose for the other side to get a "mist"
lol, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sky" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/18/2011 5:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I asked this question elsewhere but got no answer. But I know there are
>>> a
>>> lot of cat people so I thought I would ask here.
>>>
>>> My deceased cat, Maui never messed with my Christmas tree. Of course
>>> for
>>> the first many years of her life, I only had a wall tree. I wasn't much
>>> into putting up a tree or taking it down and many years we went to my
>>> in-law's house in another state for Christmas.
>>
>> Major snip of long-winded story.
>>
>> Use a water squirt bottle. That will discourage the cat/kitten(s)
>> quickly! When they approach the tree, squirt! Very simple remedy and a
>> fast Pavlovian learning curve. Use common sense, but perhaps that's not
>> so easy for your cat or your household.
>>
> I doubt that would work. I tried the water thing with Maui. Didn't
> discourage her at all. And I'm not going to be home all the time to
> protect the tree.
>

"J. Clarke" > wrote in message
in.local...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:28:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will
>> > the
>> > baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real
>> > glass
>> > ornaments?
>>
>> I don't know if you're going to have a tree climber or not, some
>> peoples cats do that. Their owners seem to think it's cute but I
>> would hate it! I have lots of great ornaments that I don't want
>> broken so I put them higher in the tree when there's a cat in the
>> house and only have unbreakable ornaments where the cats can reach
>> them because they think those dangling ornaments are kitty toys.
>
> If you ever have an opportunity to visit Gillette Castle in East Haddam,
> CT, you might find it interesting. One of the architectural features is
> built-in cat toys.

Ooooh! I would love to have that.

"Sharon" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> I asked this question elsewhere but got no answer. But I know there are
>> a
>> lot of cat people so I thought I would ask here.
>>
>> My deceased cat, Maui never messed with my Christmas tree. Of course for
>> the first many years of her life, I only had a wall tree. I wasn't much
>> into putting up a tree or taking it down and many years we went to my
>> in-law's house in another state for Christmas.
>>
>> When my daughter was born, I decided she needed a tree. Had a real one
>> that
>> first year and artificial ones after. First a little one then big ones.
>> I
>> only used unbreakable ornaments until she was 4. I have some antique
>> ornaments and we collect a lot that look like animals, flowers and other
>> fancy things. I'm not so much into the plain ones.
>>
>> Well, Maui never bothered the tree at all. Or the presents for that
>> matter.
>> But she is gone now.
>>
>> Our two new cats are mom and baby. Mom just turned three and baby is
>> one.
>> Mom is somewhat curious but not that bad. Baby however just had a growth
>> spurt and can now climb to new heights. She is into anything and
>> everything. Because I make jewelry, I have some retail type racks for
>> earrings and necklaces on my dresser. She was up there this morning
>> batting
>> the jewelry around. She also found the three little pumpkins that I
>> bought
>> for my daughter. They were in a net bag. She had the bag in her mouth
>> and
>> was dragging it around trying to get the pumpkins out. Mom seemed
>> fascinated with the pumpkins as well and liked to sniff them.
>>
>> So I got to thinking... What might they do to a Christmas tree? The
>> thoughts weren't good. So I told my daughter we would not put up our
>> tree
>> this year. Got a new one last year. Tall and slim. Pale pink with dark
>> pink lights. Very pretty and goes well with our selection of ornaments.
>> But I had visions of the baby climbing it, biting at the lights and
>> batting
>> at the ornaments. Daughter didn't think the wall tree would be safe
>> either
>> because where we put it on the wall is a place they could easily reach if
>> they got into the window.
>>
>> So... I found a two foot high sliver tree with white lights and small
>> plastic balls at Target. It's a little pathetic looking but seemingly
>> unbreakable and festive. I bought it. Figured it would be easy enough
>> to
>> pick up and take elsewhere if the cats start biting the lights.
>>
>> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will the
>> baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real
>> glass
>> ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I wouldn't use that.
>> She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got that
>> from.
>> But she did eat it and puked it. People have told me to hang the tree
>> from
>> the ceiling but I haven't a clue how to do that. And when I ask them
>> what
>> they mean by hanging it they just look at me like I am an idiot. One
>> person
>> said she just used a macramé plant hanger. I thought perhaps she meant
>> that
>> she was using one of those maybe foot high real decorated trees. But she
>> said she had a really big one. That wouldn't work here anyway because I
>> have low ceilings. I would have to have like an 8 inch tree hung close
>> to
>> the ceiling for them not to get to it. They can both jump really high.
>> I
>> am beginning to think that Maui was in some way abnormal. She just never
>> jumped on things at all.
>>
>>
>
> When we got our new cats, we put the tree in another room where we could
> close the door for the first couple of years. We have a "sitting room"
> off the master bedroom that was perfect for this. After that, we realized
> that the cats weren't all that interested in climbing the tree, but we do
> have to keep "low hanging fruit" out of their reach. Bows and ribbons on
> presents are off limits too, as the cats will pull them off and chew on
> them, which is a choking hazard for them.
>
> Hope this helps!

Out house is an open design. So no room where we could shut the door. The
baby found my scarves today. She opened the drawer and I found them all
over the floor.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:14:13 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:01:13 -0500, George Leppla
> wrote:
>>
>>> Sheldon, you are nuts. That is a nice job on a re-finished deck and
>>> there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a gas grill on it.
>>
>>You haven't figured out yet that he's a dictator who belittles anyone
>>who dares to think independently and do something different from what
>>he does or decrees? He's just jealous he didn't know about that
>>coating so he could show off his new looking old deck first.
>
> I don't give a fiddler's **** about any deck, MORONS, it'a the propane
> that's dangerous right up against the house, and the grill on a
> flammable wooden deck creates a death trap. I don't know where she
> lives but that set up is very likely illegal too... and if there's a
> holocast the homeowner's ins won't cover it. I was only giving some
> helpful advice but I really don't care if she burns her family to a
> crisp... someone I worked with did exactly that by grilling on a
> wooden deck. And George is probably the most ignorant, most
> uneducated, no common sense slimey ******* to have ever slithered into
> RFC... only sf has him beat.

When we lived in military housing, we were required to use grills so many
feet from the building. And not on decks. I don't own a grill so I don't
really know the dangers.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:18:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again?
>>>> Will the baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree
>>>> with real glass ornaments?
>>>
>>> I put up a real tree every year, none of my cats have ever attempted
>>> to climb or in any way bother the ornaments... all they do is claim
>>> their sleeping spots underneath. They like the blinking lights best,
>>> they lie on their backs looking up and go into a hypnotic trance... I
>>> shut off the lights when I go to bed but they sleep under their tree
>>> all night.
>>
>>Really? Well that is encouraging.
>
> The only part of having a Christmas tree with cats that can present a
> small problem is the actual decorating, they tend to want to help. I
> always put my tree in it's stand and let it sit at least two days for
> it to fully open before I decorate, during that time the cats do all
> their investigating so by the time I begin to decorate it's just a
> normal part of their environment so they pay it no attention other
> than to sleep beneath it. None of my cats have ever made an attempt
> to climb the tree, or jump up on it and it stands right between my
> dining table and kitchen counter. I also give them a couple of
> ornaments that are safe for them to play with, small crocheted and
> cloth ones. And I happen to have an extremely sturdy tree stand, a
> very heavy cast iron affair I've had since forever that I bought from
> LLBean... I don't think they offer it anymore.
> Staking out her territory:
> http://i56.tinypic.com/9lfigg.jpg
> Nappy time:
> http://i54.tinypic.com/2yy8eig.jpg
> Never any jumping:
> http://i52.tinypic.com/20ggpp5.jpg
> Naughty or nice:
> http://i52.tinypic.com/2ccrlg0.jpg
> Waiting patiently for Santa:
> http://i53.tinypic.com/2zprwy0.jpg
> I decorate an outdoor tree too, this year I'll need a ladder:
> http://i53.tinypic.com/2diglu1.jpg
> I've never owned a fake tree so I've no idea how my cats would behave,
> I imagine they'd not be any happier than I would when I'd discover
> implants. LOL

Cute! We have several Dwarf Alberta Spruce trees at the front of our
property. I used to decorate them but teens were taking the ornaments down
and throwing them all over. Then last year somebody took our lights down
and threw them in the park across the street. The year before that they
stole our extension cord. So far this year they have left my Halloween
decorations alone. We put up webs on the trees and cover them with giant
spiders. More webs near the door. Sparkly spiders on one bush and bats on
another. And sparkly garlands in the cherry tree. We will put some strobe
lights under the tree for effect.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> spray bottle is a very individual thing i have one cat that will stop what
> he is doing and turn and stare then pose for the other side to get a
> "mist" lol, Lee

Now that I think about it, Angela has some toys called sea squirts. They
are little squishy fish that you fill with water and it squirts out their
mouths. Bali loves to sit in the sink or on the counter and get squirted
with them.

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:38:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> When we lived in military housing, we were required to use grills so many
> feet from the building. And not on decks. I don't own a grill so I don't
> really know the dangers.
>
He's a petty ante dictator. Nuff said.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:38:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> When we lived in military housing, we were required to use grills so many
>> feet from the building. And not on decks. I don't own a grill so I
>> don't
>> really know the dangers.
>>
> He's a petty ante dictator. Nuff said.

I thought that was penny ante?

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:27:22 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:38:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> When we lived in military housing, we were required to use grills so many
> >> feet from the building. And not on decks. I don't own a grill so I
> >> don't
> >> really know the dangers.
> >>
> > He's a petty ante dictator. Nuff said.
>
> I thought that was penny ante?
>
<laugh> That too. I knew I mixed my metaphors as soon as I hit send.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

Storrmmee > wrote:

>this is totally bogus, again as with most thing one size or sterotype or
>generalzation doesn't work, the average life span of an outdoor cat even
>with human care is two to four years, my mother's last cat never once came
>in the house and died at age 18, i currently have two cats who even when
>given the oppertunity to go outdoors will fight to the death to remain
>indoors, so there is first of all no health benifit to going outdoors, at
>least according to cornelle univ research, and second, its what the cat is
>used to and what the human aclimatises them to, Lee

>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message

>> Most any cat will want to go outside for at least a little while
>> each day. Cats who are trapped indoors are not as happy.

>> Unfortunately outdoor life poses some risks for cats. It's a trade-off
>> and there is no single answer.

>> We formerly would leave a cat trapped inside for up to four days
>> while we were out of town, but we eventually came to understand
>> they do not like this and it can even wear a bit on their health.
>> Now we seldom leave them inside for as much as 24 hours.


I did say "most", not "all" cats. So I was not making an absolute
stereotype. Just a general observation.

Steve

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:27:22 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:38:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> When we lived in military housing, we were required to use grills so many
>>> feet from the building. And not on decks. I don't own a grill so I
>>> don't
>>> really know the dangers.
>>>
>> He's a petty ante dictator. Nuff said.
>
>I thought that was penny ante?

Don't argue with the teach. LOL

Julie Bove wrote:
> I asked this question elsewhere but got no answer. But I know there are a
> lot of cat people so I thought I would ask here.
>
> My deceased cat, Maui never messed with my Christmas tree. Of course for
> the first many years of her life, I only had a wall tree. I wasn't much
> into putting up a tree or taking it down and many years we went to my
> in-law's house in another state for Christmas.
>
> When my daughter was born, I decided she needed a tree. Had a real one that
> first year and artificial ones after. First a little one then big ones. I
> only used unbreakable ornaments until she was 4. I have some antique
> ornaments and we collect a lot that look like animals, flowers and other
> fancy things. I'm not so much into the plain ones.
>
> Well, Maui never bothered the tree at all. Or the presents for that matter.
> But she is gone now.
>
> Our two new cats are mom and baby. Mom just turned three and baby is one.
> Mom is somewhat curious but not that bad. Baby however just had a growth
> spurt and can now climb to new heights. She is into anything and
> everything. Because I make jewelry, I have some retail type racks for
> earrings and necklaces on my dresser. She was up there this morning batting
> the jewelry around. She also found the three little pumpkins that I bought
> for my daughter. They were in a net bag. She had the bag in her mouth and
> was dragging it around trying to get the pumpkins out. Mom seemed
> fascinated with the pumpkins as well and liked to sniff them.
>
> So I got to thinking... What might they do to a Christmas tree? The
> thoughts weren't good. So I told my daughter we would not put up our tree
> this year. Got a new one last year. Tall and slim. Pale pink with dark
> pink lights. Very pretty and goes well with our selection of ornaments.
> But I had visions of the baby climbing it, biting at the lights and batting
> at the ornaments. Daughter didn't think the wall tree would be safe either
> because where we put it on the wall is a place they could easily reach if
> they got into the window.
>
> So... I found a two foot high sliver tree with white lights and small
> plastic balls at Target. It's a little pathetic looking but seemingly
> unbreakable and festive. I bought it. Figured it would be easy enough to
> pick up and take elsewhere if the cats start biting the lights.
>
> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will the
> baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real glass
> ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I wouldn't use that.
> She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got that from.
> But she did eat it and puked it. People have told me to hang the tree from
> the ceiling but I haven't a clue how to do that. And when I ask them what
> they mean by hanging it they just look at me like I am an idiot. One person
> said she just used a macramé plant hanger. I thought perhaps she meant that
> she was using one of those maybe foot high real decorated trees. But she
> said she had a really big one. That wouldn't work here anyway because I
> have low ceilings. I would have to have like an 8 inch tree hung close to
> the ceiling for them not to get to it. They can both jump really high. I
> am beginning to think that Maui was in some way abnormal. She just never
> jumped on things at all.
>
>
My cats have only gone under the tree--and nibbled needles on the
bottom branches. I did get some special ornaments for them,
things with little dangling chimes and such.

--
Jean B.

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> I asked this question elsewhere but got no answer. But I know there are
>> a lot of cat people so I thought I would ask here.
>>
>> My deceased cat, Maui never messed with my Christmas tree. Of course for
>> the first many years of her life, I only had a wall tree. I wasn't much
>> into putting up a tree or taking it down and many years we went to my
>> in-law's house in another state for Christmas.
>>
>> When my daughter was born, I decided she needed a tree. Had a real one
>> that first year and artificial ones after. First a little one then big
>> ones. I only used unbreakable ornaments until she was 4. I have some
>> antique ornaments and we collect a lot that look like animals, flowers
>> and other fancy things. I'm not so much into the plain ones.
>>
>> Well, Maui never bothered the tree at all. Or the presents for that
>> matter. But she is gone now.
>>
>> Our two new cats are mom and baby. Mom just turned three and baby is
>> one. Mom is somewhat curious but not that bad. Baby however just had a
>> growth spurt and can now climb to new heights. She is into anything and
>> everything. Because I make jewelry, I have some retail type racks for
>> earrings and necklaces on my dresser. She was up there this morning
>> batting the jewelry around. She also found the three little pumpkins
>> that I bought for my daughter. They were in a net bag. She had the bag
>> in her mouth and was dragging it around trying to get the pumpkins out.
>> Mom seemed fascinated with the pumpkins as well and liked to sniff them.
>>
>> So I got to thinking... What might they do to a Christmas tree? The
>> thoughts weren't good. So I told my daughter we would not put up our
>> tree this year. Got a new one last year. Tall and slim. Pale pink with
>> dark pink lights. Very pretty and goes well with our selection of
>> ornaments. But I had visions of the baby climbing it, biting at the
>> lights and batting at the ornaments. Daughter didn't think the wall tree
>> would be safe either because where we put it on the wall is a place they
>> could easily reach if they got into the window.
>>
>> So... I found a two foot high sliver tree with white lights and small
>> plastic balls at Target. It's a little pathetic looking but seemingly
>> unbreakable and festive. I bought it. Figured it would be easy enough
>> to pick up and take elsewhere if the cats start biting the lights.
>>
>> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will the
>> baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real
>> glass ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I wouldn't use
>> that. She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got
>> that from. But she did eat it and puked it. People have told me to hang
>> the tree from the ceiling but I haven't a clue how to do that. And when
>> I ask them what they mean by hanging it they just look at me like I am an
>> idiot. One person said she just used a macramé plant hanger. I thought
>> perhaps she meant that she was using one of those maybe foot high real
>> decorated trees. But she said she had a really big one. That wouldn't
>> work here anyway because I have low ceilings. I would have to have like
>> an 8 inch tree hung close to the ceiling for them not to get to it. They
>> can both jump really high. I am beginning to think that Maui was in some
>> way abnormal. She just never jumped on things at all.
> My cats have only gone under the tree--and nibbled needles on the bottom
> branches. I did get some special ornaments for them, things with little
> dangling chimes and such.

Thanks!

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:14:13 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:01:13 -0500, George Leppla
> wrote:
>>
>>> Sheldon, you are nuts. That is a nice job on a re-finished deck and
>>> there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a gas grill on it.
>>
>>You haven't figured out yet that he's a dictator who belittles anyone
(snippage)
>
> I don't give a fiddler's **** about any deck, MORONS, it'a the propane
> that's dangerous right up against the house, and the grill on a
> flammable wooden deck creates a death trap. I don't know where she
> lives but that set up is very likely illegal too...
(more snippage)

In this case he's absolutely correct. Check with the local Fire Marshall.
Grills on wooden decks are not recommended and often illegal. Gas or
charcoal, they're a fire hazard if you place them on wood.

Jill

"Julie Bove" wrote in message ...


But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will the
baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real glass
ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I wouldn't use that.
She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got that from.
But she did eat it and puked it.

- - - - - - - - - -
Different cats react very differently to Christmas trees. Some bat
ornaments around. They seem to see ornaments as their new-found toys.
Other cats do not pay any attention to Christmas trees. However, I don't
think I would try real glass ornaments.

I have two cats, Holly and Duffy. Holly does not pay any attention to the
Christmas tree. Duffy is blind, but he is sheer delight and does everything
that any sighted cat can do. He *loves* to climb, so I bought a *very
sturdy* artificial tree several years ago. He climbs the tree and actually
sits out on the edge of the branches, but he somehow does this without ever
knocking off an ornament.

If you go to this location, you can see several pictures of Duffy in the
Christmas tree: http://tinyurl.com/clal7 It almost looks like the picture
has been Photoshopped, but it hasn't--that is the real thing, with Duffy
perched in the tree. Incidentally, the album is labeled "recent pics," but
I really need to edit it. Those pictures are no longer "recent."

MaryL

"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>
>
> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will the
> baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real glass
> ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I wouldn't use that.
> She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got that
> from.
> But she did eat it and puked it.
>
> - - - - - - - - - -
> Different cats react very differently to Christmas trees. Some bat
> ornaments around. They seem to see ornaments as their new-found toys.
> Other cats do not pay any attention to Christmas trees. However, I don't
> think I would try real glass ornaments.
>
> I have two cats, Holly and Duffy. Holly does not pay any attention to the
> Christmas tree. Duffy is blind, but he is sheer delight and does
> everything that any sighted cat can do. He *loves* to climb, so I bought
> a *very sturdy* artificial tree several years ago. He climbs the tree and
> actually sits out on the edge of the branches, but he somehow does this
> without ever knocking off an ornament.
>
> If you go to this location, you can see several pictures of Duffy in the
> Christmas tree: http://tinyurl.com/clal7 It almost looks like the picture
> has been Photoshopped, but it hasn't--that is the real thing, with Duffy
> perched in the tree. Incidentally, the album is labeled "recent pics,"
> but I really need to edit it. Those pictures are no longer "recent."

Cute! These cats seem to think everything new is for them.

julie this post ought to prove to you he knows nothing about cats, giving a
cat a toy made of yarn is asking for intestinal surgery, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:18:48 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again?
>>>>> Will the baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree
>>>>> with real glass ornaments?
>>>>
>>>> I put up a real tree every year, none of my cats have ever attempted
>>>> to climb or in any way bother the ornaments... all they do is claim
>>>> their sleeping spots underneath. They like the blinking lights best,
>>>> they lie on their backs looking up and go into a hypnotic trance... I
>>>> shut off the lights when I go to bed but they sleep under their tree
>>>> all night.
>>>
>>>Really? Well that is encouraging.
>>
>> The only part of having a Christmas tree with cats that can present a
>> small problem is the actual decorating, they tend to want to help. I
>> always put my tree in it's stand and let it sit at least two days for
>> it to fully open before I decorate, during that time the cats do all
>> their investigating so by the time I begin to decorate it's just a
>> normal part of their environment so they pay it no attention other
>> than to sleep beneath it. None of my cats have ever made an attempt
>> to climb the tree, or jump up on it and it stands right between my
>> dining table and kitchen counter. I also give them a couple of
>> ornaments that are safe for them to play with, small crocheted and
>> cloth ones. And I happen to have an extremely sturdy tree stand, a
>> very heavy cast iron affair I've had since forever that I bought from
>> LLBean... I don't think they offer it anymore.
>> Staking out her territory:
>> http://i56.tinypic.com/9lfigg.jpg
>> Nappy time:
>> http://i54.tinypic.com/2yy8eig.jpg
>> Never any jumping:
>> http://i52.tinypic.com/20ggpp5.jpg
>> Naughty or nice:
>> http://i52.tinypic.com/2ccrlg0.jpg
>> Waiting patiently for Santa:
>> http://i53.tinypic.com/2zprwy0.jpg
>> I decorate an outdoor tree too, this year I'll need a ladder:
>> http://i53.tinypic.com/2diglu1.jpg
>> I've never owned a fake tree so I've no idea how my cats would behave,
>> I imagine they'd not be any happier than I would when I'd discover
>> implants. LOL
>
> Cute! We have several Dwarf Alberta Spruce trees at the front of our
> property. I used to decorate them but teens were taking the ornaments
> down and throwing them all over. Then last year somebody took our lights
> down and threw them in the park across the street. The year before that
> they stole our extension cord. So far this year they have left my
> Halloween decorations alone. We put up webs on the trees and cover them
> with giant spiders. More webs near the door. Sparkly spiders on one bush
> and bats on another. And sparkly garlands in the cherry tree. We will
> put some strobe lights under the tree for effect.
>

it is for the most part an excellent tool IF the cat doesn't like water, but
i have one that enjoys a bath once she is wet, so it is in fact very
individual... and i was thinking earlier, a tree of any kind is really out
of the question as long as we share house with storrmmee, she can jump to
the DH's shoulder or the top of the frig with one leap, some meizer in her
as well, they are knowing for jumping straight up and landing on things, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> spray bottle is a very individual thing i have one cat that will stop
>> what he is doing and turn and stare then pose for the other side to get a
>> "mist" lol, Lee
>
> Now that I think about it, Angela has some toys called sea squirts. They
> are little squishy fish that you fill with water and it squirts out their
> mouths. Bali loves to sit in the sink or on the counter and get squirted
> with them.
>

your general observation is what i disagree with, but i do agree that some
cats would prefer fresh air more often and to eat the grass that makes a
great puddle of hurke, don't get me wrong, if you live where they can go
out, or you have the funds for a fresh air porch i say go for it... the uk
for example basically has no predators so a lot of the cats there are in/out
and don't suffer. Lee
"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Storrmmee > wrote:
>
>>this is totally bogus, again as with most thing one size or sterotype or
>>generalzation doesn't work, the average life span of an outdoor cat even
>>with human care is two to four years, my mother's last cat never once came
>>in the house and died at age 18, i currently have two cats who even when
>>given the oppertunity to go outdoors will fight to the death to remain
>>indoors, so there is first of all no health benifit to going outdoors, at
>>least according to cornelle univ research, and second, its what the cat is
>>used to and what the human aclimatises them to, Lee
>
>>"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
>
>>> Most any cat will want to go outside for at least a little while
>>> each day. Cats who are trapped indoors are not as happy.
>
>>> Unfortunately outdoor life poses some risks for cats. It's a trade-off
>>> and there is no single answer.
>
>>> We formerly would leave a cat trapped inside for up to four days
>>> while we were out of town, but we eventually came to understand
>>> they do not like this and it can even wear a bit on their health.
>>> Now we seldom leave them inside for as much as 24 hours.
>
>
> I did say "most", not "all" cats. So I was not making an absolute
> stereotype. Just a general observation.
>
> Steve

well you silly human it is, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "MaryL" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will the
>> baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real
>> glass
>> ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I wouldn't use that.
>> She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got that
>> from.
>> But she did eat it and puked it.
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - -
>> Different cats react very differently to Christmas trees. Some bat
>> ornaments around. They seem to see ornaments as their new-found toys.
>> Other cats do not pay any attention to Christmas trees. However, I don't
>> think I would try real glass ornaments.
>>
>> I have two cats, Holly and Duffy. Holly does not pay any attention to
>> the Christmas tree. Duffy is blind, but he is sheer delight and does
>> everything that any sighted cat can do. He *loves* to climb, so I bought
>> a *very sturdy* artificial tree several years ago. He climbs the tree
>> and actually sits out on the edge of the branches, but he somehow does
>> this without ever knocking off an ornament.
>>
>> If you go to this location, you can see several pictures of Duffy in the
>> Christmas tree: http://tinyurl.com/clal7 It almost looks like the
>> picture has been Photoshopped, but it hasn't--that is the real thing,
>> with Duffy perched in the tree. Incidentally, the album is labeled
>> "recent pics," but I really need to edit it. Those pictures are no
>> longer "recent."
>
> Cute! These cats seem to think everything new is for them.
>

"Storrmmee" wrote in message ...

well you silly human it is, Lee
- - - - - - - - -
Absolutely. After all, we're the cat slaves and they are the owners!

MaryL
- - - - - - - - -
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "MaryL" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will the
>> baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real
>> glass
>> ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I wouldn't use that.
>> She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got that
>> from.
>> But she did eat it and puked it.
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - -
>> Different cats react very differently to Christmas trees. Some bat
>> ornaments around. They seem to see ornaments as their new-found toys.
>> Other cats do not pay any attention to Christmas trees. However, I don't
>> think I would try real glass ornaments.
>>
>> I have two cats, Holly and Duffy. Holly does not pay any attention to
>> the Christmas tree. Duffy is blind, but he is sheer delight and does
>> everything that any sighted cat can do. He *loves* to climb, so I bought
>> a *very sturdy* artificial tree several years ago. He climbs the tree
>> and actually sits out on the edge of the branches, but he somehow does
>> this without ever knocking off an ornament.
>>
>> If you go to this location, you can see several pictures of Duffy in the
>> Christmas tree: http://tinyurl.com/clal7 It almost looks like the
>> picture has been Photoshopped, but it hasn't--that is the real thing,
>> with Duffy perched in the tree. Incidentally, the album is labeled
>> "recent pics," but I really need to edit it. Those pictures are no
>> longer "recent."
>
> Cute! These cats seem to think everything new is for them.
>

no doubt of taht in this house, storrmmee has begun telling the dh when he
should go to bed, lol, Lee
"MaryL" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Storrmmee" wrote in message ...
>
> well you silly human it is, Lee
> - - - - - - - - -
> Absolutely. After all, we're the cat slaves and they are the owners!
>
> MaryL
> - - - - - - - - -
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "MaryL" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>> But do you think I will ever be able to have a real tree again? Will
>>> the
>>> baby outgrow her curiosity? Are you able to put up a tree with real
>>> glass
>>> ornaments? I know she would try to eat tinsel. So I wouldn't use that.
>>> She did eat a piece of pink Easter grass. No clue where she got that
>>> from.
>>> But she did eat it and puked it.
>>>
>>> - - - - - - - - - -
>>> Different cats react very differently to Christmas trees. Some bat
>>> ornaments around. They seem to see ornaments as their new-found toys.
>>> Other cats do not pay any attention to Christmas trees. However, I
>>> don't think I would try real glass ornaments.
>>>
>>> I have two cats, Holly and Duffy. Holly does not pay any attention to
>>> the Christmas tree. Duffy is blind, but he is sheer delight and does
>>> everything that any sighted cat can do. He *loves* to climb, so I
>>> bought a *very sturdy* artificial tree several years ago. He climbs the
>>> tree and actually sits out on the edge of the branches, but he somehow
>>> does this without ever knocking off an ornament.
>>>
>>> If you go to this location, you can see several pictures of Duffy in the
>>> Christmas tree: http://tinyurl.com/clal7 It almost looks like the
>>> picture has been Photoshopped, but it hasn't--that is the real thing,
>>> with Duffy perched in the tree. Incidentally, the album is labeled
>>> "recent pics," but I really need to edit it. Those pictures are no
>>> longer "recent."
>>
>> Cute! These cats seem to think everything new is for them.
>>
>

On 10/19/2011 10:39 PM, MaryL wrote:
> If you go to this location, you can see several pictures of Duffy in the
> Christmas tree: http://tinyurl.com/clal7 It almost looks like the
> picture has been Photoshopped, but it hasn't--that is the real thing,
> with Duffy perched in the tree. Incidentally, the album is labeled
> "recent pics," but I really need to edit it. Those pictures are no
> longer "recent."

Duffy is so cute! Sitting in that tree, too funny.

nancy

On 10/20/2011 3:08 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
> no doubt of taht in this house, storrmmee has begun telling the dh when he
> should go to bed, lol, Lee

How annoying is that, my cat does the same thing. Cat, I'm not going to
sleep at 9pm, sorry.

nancy

In article >,
email@replyto says...
>
> On 10/20/2011 3:08 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
> > no doubt of taht in this house, storrmmee has begun telling the dh when he
> > should go to bed, lol, Lee
>
> How annoying is that, my cat does the same thing. Cat, I'm not going to
> sleep at 9pm, sorry.

Mine didn't tell me when to go to bed but if it was a half an hour past
wakeup time and she hadn't been fed she'd go to sleep on my face.

to her i am the other woman, she is termanlly jealous of me and all the
other cats, she is a tiny little thing barely six pounds and is blessed with
the confidence of a mountain lion...

he raised her from a nine ounce bottle baby and she is totally bonded to
him, if anything happens to him i am not sure she would survive, Lee
"Nancy Young" <email@replyto> wrote in message
.com...
> On 10/20/2011 3:08 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> no doubt of taht in this house, storrmmee has begun telling the dh when
>> he
>> should go to bed, lol, Lee
>
> How annoying is that, my cat does the same thing. Cat, I'm not going to
> sleep at 9pm, sorry.
>
> nancy

this one helps him wake up, he says: ok i set the alarm make sure i don't
miss it...

she, begins yapping at him about ten minutes before it goes off, when it
goes off she hisses at the alarm sometimes attacking it and putting it off
the nightstand, then she stands on his chest, meowing, happy pawing then
licking his nose, first outside then inside, at that point he is awake
wethere he wants to be or not, Lee
"J. Clarke" > wrote in message
in.local...
> In article >,
> email@replyto says...
>>
>> On 10/20/2011 3:08 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> > no doubt of taht in this house, storrmmee has begun telling the dh when
>> > he
>> > should go to bed, lol, Lee
>>
>> How annoying is that, my cat does the same thing. Cat, I'm not going to
>> sleep at 9pm, sorry.
>
> Mine didn't tell me when to go to bed but if it was a half an hour past
> wakeup time and she hadn't been fed she'd go to sleep on my face.

On 10/19/2011 10:35 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> In this case he's absolutely correct. Check with the local Fire
> Marshall. Grills on wooden decks are not recommended and often illegal.
> Gas or charcoal, they're a fire hazard if you place them on wood.

Everyone I know grills on a deck. It isn't illegal here, and there's
nothing unsafe about it.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:26:30 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 10/19/2011 10:35 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > In this case he's absolutely correct. Check with the local Fire
> > Marshall. Grills on wooden decks are not recommended and often illegal.
> > Gas or charcoal, they're a fire hazard if you place them on wood.
>
> Everyone I know grills on a deck. It isn't illegal here, and there's
> nothing unsafe about it.

There are exceptions - so if you burn your own house down, that's your
responsibility. Taken from Chowhound

Here's the gist of what the code reads:

In 2007, California updated its Fire Code and adopted portions of the
2006 International Fire Code, including sections 308.3.1 and
308.3.1.1. Those sections effectively ban the use of open-flame
cooking devices on combustible decks. This ban became operative on
January 1st, 2008. The code is not available online, but you will find
a copy of the code in most libraries. The sections read as follows:

308.3.1 Open-flame cooking devices. Charcoal burners and other
open-flame cooking devices shall not be operated on combustible
balconies or within 10 feet (3048 mm) of combustible construction.

In 2007, California updated its Fire Code and adopted portions of the
2006 International Fire Code, including sections 308.3.1 and
308.3.1.1. Those sections effectively ban the use of open-flame
cooking devices on combustible decks. This ban became operative on
January 1st, 2008. The code is not available online, but you will find
a copy of the code in most libraries. The sections read as follows:

308.3.1 Open-flame cooking devices. Charcoal burners and other
open-flame cooking devices shall not be operated on combustible
balconies or within 10 feet (3048 mm) of combustible construction.

Exceptions:
1. One- and two-family dwellings.
2. Where buildings, balconies and decks are protected by an automatic
sprinkler system.

308.3.1.1 Liquefied-petroleum-gas-fueled cooking devices. LP-gas
burners having an LP-gas container with a water capacity greater than
2.5 pounds [nominal 1 pound (0.454 kg) LP-gas capacity] shall not be
located on combustible balconies or within 10 feet (3048 mm) of
combustible construction.


--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 10/19/2011 10:39 PM, MaryL wrote:
> If you go to this location, you can see several pictures of Duffy in the
> Christmas tree: http://tinyurl.com/clal7 It almost looks like the
> picture has been Photoshopped, but it hasn't--that is the real thing,
> with Duffy perched in the tree. Incidentally, the album is labeled
> "recent pics," but I really need to edit it. Those pictures are no
> longer "recent."

I'm glad you posted that picture of Duffy in the tree. I've always
loved that one.