"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> > Would that it was so easy. These folks are mostly elderly and many of
>> > them are also diabetic taking oral medications and not paying attention
>> > to their diets. If we said the food was bad for diabetes, I'm afraid we
>> > would be insulting them.
>>
>> It's their medical professions who you would be insulting. Doctors who
>> recommend that diabetics eat high carb food that is toxic to them and
>> then take insulin like it's an antidote do in fact need to be insulted.
>
> That's not what Janet posted. No competent medical professional would
> recommend eating an unsuitable diet and then upping the insulin dose to
> make up for it. In fact, when I first started insulin about five years
> ago, I was specifically warned of this idea by my medical people.
> People who would like to eat as much as they want of whatever they want,
> are quite capable of dreaming up this fantasy by themselves.

Actually there is a plan like this although I can't remember what it is
called. It is however intended for people with type 1 so that they can eat
a more normal diet. Not however an eat hog wild every day type of diet.

Bryan wrote:

> I don't want to be next to a guy who is eating liver and onions to begin
> with.

What's your objection to liver and onions?

Bob

On 10/24/2011 1:27 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

> I figured her out when she used a kitten to score brownie points with
> the retards. No one fosters a kitten, no legit shelter gives a kitten
> on loan... and now the sick bitch is gonna turn it back to the
> orphanage with no remorse whatsoever, she made no effort to find it a
> home and there are no more brownie points to be had so why not just
> throw it back into the pond... SICK BITCH NEEDS TO DIE!!!!

I am responding, not to that poor sad excuse for a human being, Sheldon,
but to explain why I am fostering the kitten. My husband volunteers
several days a week at the local Humane Society shelter. Someone brought
in this tiny lost kitten.

The kitten was too young to be kept at the shelter. It was too young for
shots and needed round-the clock care. We volunteered to foster it until
it was old enough to be adoptable. We personally paid over $60 for
kitten food, litter, dishes, etc. to Petsmart. We Personally footed an
$80+ bill for a visit to the local vet where he got wormed, vitamins and
a checkup. We spent more on a scratching post for him.

When we got him, he wasn't capable of peeing or pooping on his own. I
had to wipe him to get him to eliminate. He is now completely litter box
compliant and gained 5 ounces in one week.

We are taking him with us on an RV trip tomorrow. He has his own place
to sleep and we will have a litter box and proper food for him. When we
get back, he will be old enough for his kitten shots and will be
considered adoptable. He is acclimated to living with a dog and
socialized to human beings. He's bright, curious and will make a
wonderful pet.

There was never a question of keeping the little guy. I knew from the
get-go that I was a foster mom. I have been actively looking for a home
for him and I have fund a couple of interested people. Any adoption
will have to go through the Humane Society as that is what I agreed to
when I took him as a fosterling. Even if I could keep him, I would be
subject to the same adoption criteria as any other adoptive parents.

When a kitten is that young, it can't be adopted from the Humane Society
shelter. It has to be of a certain age and it has to have it's kitten shots.

We travel a good deal. Our Toy Poodle adores our neighbors and their
Cocker Spaniel. The two dogs have known each other since they got the
Cocker and ours was a puppy. We watch the Cocker when the neighbors are
away and they take Mickey when we are away. There is no provision for a
small cat. The neighbor met the kitten and won't take it.

I can't see having to leave the kitten at a kennel or with a pet sitter
who comes in once a day, feeds it and changes the litter box. That isn't
what I want for this little guy. I see him as part of a loving family
who will be home to care for him.



--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On 10/24/2011 5:17 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In >,
> Doug > wrote:
>
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>> Would that it was so easy. These folks are mostly elderly and many of
>>> them are also diabetic taking oral medications and not paying attention
>>> to their diets. If we said the food was bad for diabetes, I'm afraid we
>>> would be insulting them.
>>
>> It's their medical professions who you would be insulting. Doctors who
>> recommend that diabetics eat high carb food that is toxic to them and
>> then take insulin like it's an antidote do in fact need to be insulted.
>
> That's not what Janet posted. No competent medical professional would
> recommend eating an unsuitable diet and then upping the insulin dose to
> make up for it. In fact, when I first started insulin about five years
> ago, I was specifically warned of this idea by my medical people.
> People who would like to eat as much as they want of whatever they want,
> are quite capable of dreaming up this fantasy by themselves.
>

My DH can cover for carbs with insulin from his pump, but the whole idea
is not to eat more than he should in the first place. Sure he cheats
once in a while and covers it with a bolus, but, frankly, that ability
to cheat once in a great while is what keeps him on the straight and
narrow the majority of the time. Since he went on the pump 5 years ago
he has not had an A1C over 6.3. The last one was 5.9.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Janet wrote:

> I am responding, not to that poor sad excuse for a human being, Sheldon,
> but to explain why I am fostering the kitten. My husband volunteers
> several days a week at the local Humane Society shelter. Someone brought
> in this tiny lost kitten.
<snip>

There's no explanation necessary. Those of us who *have* fostered pets know
that they'll eventually be giving them up. You just enjoy having them
around, give them the love they need so they'll be good around humans, and
send them on their way better for having been with you.

Clueless AOL newbie Sheldon "Pussy" Katz is a blatant hypocrite and an
obvious sociopath. The world will be a better (and smarter) place when he
dies.

Bob

On Oct 24, 5:55*pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> On 10/24/2011 1:27 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > I figured her out when she used a kitten to score brownie points with
> > the retards. *No one fosters a kitten, no legit shelter gives a kitten
> > on loan... and now the sick bitch is gonna turn it back to the
> > orphanage with no remorse whatsoever, she made no effort to find it a
> > home and there are no more brownie points to be had so why not just
> > throw it back into the pond... SICK BITCH NEEDS TO DIE!!!!
>
> I am responding, not to that poor sad excuse for a human being, Sheldon,
> but to explain why I am fostering the kitten. *My husband volunteers
> several days a week at the local Humane Society shelter. Someone brought
> in this tiny lost kitten.
>
> The kitten was too young to be kept at the shelter. It was too young for
> shots and needed round-the clock care. We volunteered to foster it until
> it was old enough to be adoptable. *We personally paid over $60 for
> kitten food, litter, dishes, etc. to Petsmart. We Personally footed an
> $80+ bill for a visit to the local vet where he got wormed, vitamins and
> a checkup. We spent more on a scratching post for him.
>
> When we got him, he wasn't capable of peeing or pooping on his own. I
> had to wipe him to get him to eliminate. He is now completely litter box
> compliant and gained 5 ounces in one week.
>
> We are taking him with us on an RV trip tomorrow. He has his own place
> to sleep and we will have a litter box and proper food for him. When we
> get back, he will be old enough for his kitten shots and will be
> considered adoptable. He is acclimated to living with a dog and
> socialized to human beings. He's bright, curious and will make a
> wonderful pet.
>
> There was never a question of keeping the little guy. I knew from the
> get-go that I was a foster mom. I have been actively looking for a home
> for him and I *have fund a couple of interested people. Any adoption
> will have to go through the Humane Society as that is what I agreed to
> when I took him as a fosterling. Even if I could keep him, I would be
> subject to the same adoption criteria as any other adoptive parents.
>
> When a kitten is that young, it can't be adopted from the Humane Society
> shelter. It has to be of a certain age and it has to have it's kitten shots.
>
> We travel a good deal. Our Toy Poodle adores our neighbors and their
> Cocker Spaniel. The two dogs have known each other since they got the
> Cocker and ours was a puppy. We watch the Cocker when the neighbors are
> away and they take Mickey when we are away. There is no provision for a
> small cat. The neighbor met the kitten and won't take it.
>
> I can't see having to leave the kitten at a kennel or with a pet sitter
> who comes in once a day, feeds it and changes the litter box. That isn't
> what I want for this little guy. I see him as part of a loving family
> who will be home to care for him.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. *Cooking does.

It's too bad you have to defend yourself on this, but in your heart,
you know what's right.

On Oct 22, 8:08 pm, Janet Wilder <> wrote:
> We are going to an RV rally. We like the people and have a great time
> visiting and socializing with them.
>
> As part of the rally, breakfast and dinner are served. The food is 99%
> carbohydrates. DH can't pack enough insulin in his pump for meals like
> "rice, beans and cornbread" and my digestion, which is used to low
> carbing with DH can't handle high-carb meals.
>
> Do you think it would be impolite to eat before we go to the communal
> meals, then take a little bit on our plates and push it around? We like
> these folks and don't want to say anything about the food choices or why
> we don't want to eat it. It sounds so judgmental and it's really just a
> health reason.

Don't take a plate and push food around. That's insulting. Don't say "We
can't eat that". That's insulting. Remember why you're there. You like
the people and have a great time visiting. Haul out your social skills.
Say "I'm so glad to see you, I was hoping you would be here". Say, "Isn't
the weather gorgeous for us ?, did you have a good trip coming in?, It's
been too long since we saw you. Just happy talk. If someone asks, "Why
aren't you eating?" just respond that your doctor is meaner than a junk yard
dog and be prepared to side step quickly into something more important.
It may be okay to dissect symptoms and agonies in the waiting room at
the doctor's office but this is a happy get together. Right? Polly

On 10/25/2011 1:05 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
>
> Don't take a plate and push food around. That's insulting. Don't say
> "We can't eat that". That's insulting. Remember why you're there. You
> like the people and have a great time visiting. Haul out your social
> skills. Say "I'm so glad to see you, I was hoping you would be here".
> Say, "Isn't the weather gorgeous for us ?, did you have a good trip
> coming in?, It's been too long since we saw you. Just happy talk.
> If someone asks, "Why aren't you eating?" just respond that your doctor
> is meaner than a junk yard dog and be prepared to side step quickly into
> something more important.
> It may be okay to dissect symptoms and agonies in the waiting room
> at the doctor's office but this is a happy get together. Right? Polly

I like your style. It's easy to say you have health issues, and
some might sympathize and even have the same, but it's a fun time and
time to not talk about it unless there are close friends who want to listen.

On 10/24/2011 8:59 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

> My DH can cover for carbs with insulin from his pump, but the whole idea
> is not to eat more than he should in the first place. Sure he cheats
> once in a while and covers it with a bolus, but, frankly, that ability
> to cheat once in a great while is what keeps him on the straight and
> narrow the majority of the time. Since he went on the pump 5 years ago
> he has not had an A1C over 6.3. The last one was 5.9.

Question - does he feel like shit before covering the carbs with the
insulin? I know there are times I eat too many carbs and feel crappy
and I'm not diabetic. When I think about it, I try to remember how I
just don't feel good and not do it again. Today was a good example, I
brought my leftover fried rice for lunch today after having it for
dinner last night. I felt like crap all afternoon.

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:54:35 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Bryan wrote:
>
>> I don't want to be next to a guy who is eating liver and onions to begin
>> with.
>
>What's your objection to liver and onions?

I'll be interested to hear what Bryan doesn't like about them--- but I
think I've got to put liver and bacon on the grocery list.

Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures. Between the bacon
and the organ meat it isn't something one should eat often--- but
that makes it even better.

Jim

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
>I'll be interested to hear what Bwrrryan doesn't like about them.
>Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures, and the organ meat
>isn't something one should eat often--- but
>that makes it even better.

Hehe. . . .

On Oct 25, 7:20*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
> >I'll be interested to hear what Bwrrryan doesn't like about them.
> >Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures, and the organ meat
> >isn't something one should eat often--- *but
> >that makes it even better.
>
> Hehe. . . .

I'll tell you why *I* won't eat liver! Because I'm an RN, I took
Anatomy and Physiology I and II and I know what the liver does!

'Nuff said. Look it up if you don't know.

John Kuthe, BSN, RN...

On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 05:23:10 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Oct 25, 7:20*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>
>> >I'll be interested to hear what Bwrrryan doesn't like about them.
>> >Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures, and the organ meat
>> >isn't something one should eat often--- *but
>> >that makes it even better.
>>
>> Hehe. . . .
>
>I'll tell you why *I* won't eat liver! Because I'm an RN, I took
>Anatomy and Physiology I and II and I know what the liver does!
>
>'Nuff said. Look it up if you don't know.
>
>John Kuthe, BSN, RN...

Better make sure that the hot dogs you buy don't come in natural
casings. )
Janet US

On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:05:21 -0500, "Polly Esther"
> wrote:

>
>On Oct 22, 8:08 pm, Janet Wilder <> wrote:
>> We are going to an RV rally. We like the people and have a great time
>> visiting and socializing with them.
>>
>> As part of the rally, breakfast and dinner are served. The food is 99%
>> carbohydrates. DH can't pack enough insulin in his pump for meals like
>> "rice, beans and cornbread" and my digestion, which is used to low
>> carbing with DH can't handle high-carb meals.
>>
>> Do you think it would be impolite to eat before we go to the communal
>> meals, then take a little bit on our plates and push it around? We like
>> these folks and don't want to say anything about the food choices or why
>> we don't want to eat it. It sounds so judgmental and it's really just a
>> health reason.
>
>Don't take a plate and push food around. That's insulting. Don't say "We
>can't eat that". That's insulting. Remember why you're there. You like
>the people and have a great time visiting. Haul out your social skills.
>Say "I'm so glad to see you, I was hoping you would be here". Say, "Isn't
>the weather gorgeous for us ?, did you have a good trip coming in?, It's
>been too long since we saw you. Just happy talk. If someone asks, "Why
>aren't you eating?" just respond that your doctor is meaner than a junk yard
>dog and be prepared to side step quickly into something more important.
> It may be okay to dissect symptoms and agonies in the waiting room at
>the doctor's office but this is a happy get together. Right? Polly

The kitten killer has no social skills.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 01:30:18 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 10/25/2011 1:05 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
>>
>> Don't take a plate and push food around. That's insulting. Don't say
>> "We can't eat that". That's insulting. Remember why you're there. You
>> like the people and have a great time visiting. Haul out your social
>> skills. Say "I'm so glad to see you, I was hoping you would be here".
>> Say, "Isn't the weather gorgeous for us ?, did you have a good trip
>> coming in?, It's been too long since we saw you. Just happy talk.
>> If someone asks, "Why aren't you eating?" just respond that your doctor
>> is meaner than a junk yard dog and be prepared to side step quickly into
>> something more important.
>> It may be okay to dissect symptoms and agonies in the waiting room
>> at the doctor's office but this is a happy get together. Right? Polly
>
>I like your style. It's easy to say you have health issues, and
>some might sympathize and even have the same, but it's a fun time and
>time to not talk about it unless there are close friends who want to listen.

I can easily avoid all those dastardly verbal confrontations by
instituting my social skills for ogling the plethara of female
cleavage.

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:37:50 -0700 (PDT), merryb >
wrote:

>On Oct 24, 5:55*pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
>> On 10/24/2011 1:27 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> > I figured her out when she used a kitten to score brownie points with
>> > the retards. *No one fosters a kitten, no legit shelter gives a kitten
>> > on loan... and now the sick bitch is gonna turn it back to the
>> > orphanage with no remorse whatsoever, she made no effort to find it a
>> > home and there are no more brownie points to be had so why not just
>> > throw it back into the pond... SICK BITCH NEEDS TO DIE!!!!
>>
>> I am responding, not to that poor sad excuse for a human being, Sheldon,
>> but to explain why I am fostering the kitten. *My husband volunteers
>> several days a week at the local Humane Society shelter. Someone brought
>> in this tiny lost kitten.
>>
>> The kitten was too young to be kept at the shelter. It was too young for
>> shots and needed round-the clock care. We volunteered to foster it until
>> it was old enough to be adoptable. *We personally paid over $60 for
>> kitten food, litter, dishes, etc. to Petsmart. We Personally footed an
>> $80+ bill for a visit to the local vet where he got wormed, vitamins and
>> a checkup. We spent more on a scratching post for him.
>>
>> When we got him, he wasn't capable of peeing or pooping on his own. I
>> had to wipe him to get him to eliminate. He is now completely litter box
>> compliant and gained 5 ounces in one week.
>>
>> We are taking him with us on an RV trip tomorrow. He has his own place
>> to sleep and we will have a litter box and proper food for him. When we
>> get back, he will be old enough for his kitten shots and will be
>> considered adoptable. He is acclimated to living with a dog and
>> socialized to human beings. He's bright, curious and will make a
>> wonderful pet.
>>
>> There was never a question of keeping the little guy. I knew from the
>> get-go that I was a foster mom. I have been actively looking for a home
>> for him and I *have fund a couple of interested people. Any adoption
>> will have to go through the Humane Society as that is what I agreed to
>> when I took him as a fosterling. Even if I could keep him, I would be
>> subject to the same adoption criteria as any other adoptive parents.
>>
>> When a kitten is that young, it can't be adopted from the Humane Society
>> shelter. It has to be of a certain age and it has to have it's kitten shots.
>>
>> We travel a good deal. Our Toy Poodle adores our neighbors and their
>> Cocker Spaniel. The two dogs have known each other since they got the
>> Cocker and ours was a puppy. We watch the Cocker when the neighbors are
>> away and they take Mickey when we are away. There is no provision for a
>> small cat. The neighbor met the kitten and won't take it.
>>
>> I can't see having to leave the kitten at a kennel or with a pet sitter
>> who comes in once a day, feeds it and changes the litter box. That isn't
>> what I want for this little guy. I see him as part of a loving family
>> who will be home to care for him.

>It's too bad you have to defend yourself on this.

It's the guilt, a feeble attempt at exoneration for being a lying
selfish mean spirited bitch. And her story doesn't compute, not on
several counts. If they have to check her out in order to adopt
they'd certainly have to check her out just as carefully for giving
foster care, maybe more carefully. Anyway legitimate animal shelters
do NOT give kittens for foster care[period] A kitten the age of that
one would need no special care, and were it ill they certainly
wouldn't allow someone to have it who has already admitted to knowing
little to nothing about caring for a cat let alone a kitten. A
shelter that's become overcrowded may give their oldest adult cats to
foster care but never a kitten. Kittens are there for adoption
only... kittens get adopted fairly quickly but once they get to be
about three months old they are no longer so adoptable because there's
a constant flow of new kittens and that's what most people want.
Unfortunately most older animals do not get adopted and I don't think
I need to explain what happens to them. When a shelter is low on
funds make a cash donation, do not boast about taking a kitten on a
road trip and how much it cost to feed, that is of no help to the
shelter and that is pure selfishness. The lying bitch will probably
dump that kitten off along the road somewhere and boast about how some
fellow RV trailer trash adopted it without being checked out by that
imaginary shelter. Real heros don't boast about their deeds, this
lying **** is just garbage. That's a mighty cute kitten, looks very
adoptable... no sane person would take it knowing that they are not
going to adopt it, just to keep somone from giving it a home. This
Janet Wilder is definitely a mean spirited bitch and has a screw
loose... I'd not trust her with an ant farm... she displays the type
of personality of the kind of creep who as a child derived great
pleasure in ripping the wings off butterflys.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:20:48 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:54:35 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > wrote:
>
> >Bryan wrote:
> >
> >> I don't want to be next to a guy who is eating liver and onions to begin
> >> with.
> >
> >What's your objection to liver and onions?
>
> I'll be interested to hear what Bryan doesn't like about them--- but I
> think I've got to put liver and bacon on the grocery list.
>
> Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures. Between the bacon
> and the organ meat it isn't something one should eat often--- but
> that makes it even better.
>
Don't forget the mashed potatoes.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Oct 25, 9:13*am, Janet > wrote:
> In article <bc14b93a-178b-4f56-aad1-
> >, says...
>
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 7:20*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> > > Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
> > > >I'll be interested to hear what Bwrrryan doesn't like about them.
> > > >Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures, and the organ meat
> > > >isn't something one should eat often--- *but
> > > >that makes it even better.
>
> > > Hehe. . . .
>
> > I'll tell you why *I* won't eat liver! Because I'm an RN, I took
> > Anatomy and Physiology I and II and I know what the liver does!
>
> * I didn't know you were a cannibal.
>
> * Did you ever study animal physiology in the RN? Just wondering how you
> feel about sausages, rump steak, milk, eggs...
>
> * *Janet

Mammal physiology is very similar. Human, ape, cow, dog, pig, etc.

Fish are not even that different. I still love lobster tomalley
though! :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomalley

Can't I have just a little of the peril? ;-)

John Kuthe...

Jim wrote:

>> What's your objection to liver and onions?
>
> I'll be interested to hear what Bryan doesn't like about them--- but I
> think I've got to put liver and bacon on the grocery list.
>
> Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures. Between the bacon and the
> organ meat it isn't something one should eat often--- but that makes it
> even better.

My favorite liver recipe is from Thomas Keller: calf's liver with bacon,
onions, spiced figs, and a red wine jus. But I'm developing a recipe for
liver with beets, orange zest, and port; I think they'd go together well.

Bob

which is exactly what she indicated in her first post that she wanted to
do, -not make a production and
-not comment on the communal foods


Lee
"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> Would that it was so easy. These folks are mostly elderly and many of
>> them are also diabetic taking oral medications and not paying attention
>> to their diets. If we said the food was bad for diabetes, I'm afraid we
>> would be insulting them.
>>
>
> I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Either eat first or
> bring your own food along and if anyone says anything just say it is
> necessary for your dietary limitations and drop it. Don't make a
> production over it nor comment on the communal food.

no i am not diabetic, i am hypoglycimic but i have a brother who is very
unstable in his levels and with the family history i am working slower than
i would like to a less carby lifestyle, i choose my carbs very carefully
now, that was step one for me, step 2 is reducing the requency with which i
eat carbs,
step 3 has been never eating just a carb without fat or protien,

I am taking babysteps to make it be habit forming so i don't fall off the
wagon carb out and pay bigtime...

in another group devoted to diabetis, i explained my first research was for
making lower carb things for my brother at family functions, got nice
recipes there, then as i began to read/research i realised i needed to work
on this myself to reduce my risks later, Lee


"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> Storrmmee wrote:
>> but as you said, there are no bad foods, this would be a different
>> discussion if she had said NO carbs, but she said low carb, and has
>> discussed carb intake here and elswhere, i see nothing wrong with
>> this, i love oatmeal raisin cookies, not good for me in general, so
>> when we are at a buffett i eat one or two depending n size because i
>> get to taste them without having them in the house, Lee
>
> Are you on insulin? If so, you can cover your excess carb consumption. I
> can't imagine eating a cookie.
>

my brother shoots to his carbs, just before each meal, but its not a hog
wild thing. he must accurately calculate the carbs, he eats six/eight times
a day and he generally must keep with more complex carbs to make it work,
the insulin he uses is very fast acting, and the levels of blood sugar
levels and something else are watched by him/the medical sorts like a hawke,

His qwack says its not for everyone and doesn't work for lots of people.

Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>>
>>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>> > Would that it was so easy. These folks are mostly elderly and many of
>>> > them are also diabetic taking oral medications and not paying
>>> > attention
>>> > to their diets. If we said the food was bad for diabetes, I'm afraid
>>> > we
>>> > would be insulting them.
>>>
>>> It's their medical professions who you would be insulting. Doctors who
>>> recommend that diabetics eat high carb food that is toxic to them and
>>> then take insulin like it's an antidote do in fact need to be insulted.
>>
>> That's not what Janet posted. No competent medical professional would
>> recommend eating an unsuitable diet and then upping the insulin dose to
>> make up for it. In fact, when I first started insulin about five years
>> ago, I was specifically warned of this idea by my medical people.
>> People who would like to eat as much as they want of whatever they want,
>> are quite capable of dreaming up this fantasy by themselves.
>
> Actually there is a plan like this although I can't remember what it is
> called. It is however intended for people with type 1 so that they can
> eat a more normal diet. Not however an eat hog wild every day type of
> diet.
>

in the case of diabetics yes, most even if on medication seem to be in some
level of denyal, and in my experience the later the pills/shooting arrived
in their life the more the denyal, Lee
"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jerry Avins" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Oct 23, 1:29 pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> We do know that several of them are diabetics and they have not been
>>> educated or don't choose to have a proper diet, so stating we can't eat
>>> it because of diabetes would be an insult to those people who are
>>> diabetic and not taking care of themselves.
>>>
>>> These are really nice folks whose company we enjoy. The last thing we
>>> want to do is hurt anyone's feelings.
>>
>> The really nice folks that I know don't take umbrage easily; that's
>> part of what maked them nice. Saying, "That's not on my diet" isn't
>> saying that it shouldn't be on theirs.
> (snippage)
>
> I agree with Jerry. People who are your friends won't take umbrage.
>
>>> At some point in time, we have a turn at planning the food and I'll do a
>>> better job at having alternatives that aren't so carbohydrate laden.
>>
>> Good job, but have something for everyone.
>>
>>> I'm secretly hoping there will be a salad so we can load up with that.
>>
> See, now that would bother me. I hate salad. I despise raw cold
> vegetables. But if it makes you happy I'd serve it. I don't think these
> folks would get upset about that.
>
>> Good luck with that. It's likely to be macaroni salade or something.
>>
> Janet, just take something you can eat! Share it with the crowd. I'm
> glad you stirred up a conversation about food but is it really that
> difficult?
>
> Jill

janet,

it is obvious that the above mentioned poster is :
-completely uninformed about how real shelters work and the extensive
network of foster paernts that cross this nation and
-is probably jealous as he probably would never be considered for such a
rewarding job as fostering, the requirements eliminate him out of the gate,
maturity, best interest of the foster and common sens to not have too many
animals are required, so as you can see he would never be allowed to do it.

don't bother giving him the satifiaction of any more answers, he is simply
not relvant enough for you, the fosterer doing a wonderful thing in this
less than wonderful world

Lee
"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 10/24/2011 1:27 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> I figured her out when she used a kitten to score brownie points with
>> the retards. No one fosters a kitten, no legit shelter gives a kitten
>> on loan... and now the sick bitch is gonna turn it back to the
>> orphanage with no remorse whatsoever, she made no effort to find it a
>> home and there are no more brownie points to be had so why not just
>> throw it back into the pond... SICK BITCH NEEDS TO DIE!!!!
>
> I am responding, not to that poor sad excuse for a human being, Sheldon,
> but to explain why I am fostering the kitten. My husband volunteers
> several days a week at the local Humane Society shelter. Someone brought
> in this tiny lost kitten.
>
> The kitten was too young to be kept at the shelter. It was too young for
> shots and needed round-the clock care. We volunteered to foster it until
> it was old enough to be adoptable. We personally paid over $60 for kitten
> food, litter, dishes, etc. to Petsmart. We Personally footed an $80+ bill
> for a visit to the local vet where he got wormed, vitamins and a checkup.
> We spent more on a scratching post for him.
>
> When we got him, he wasn't capable of peeing or pooping on his own. I had
> to wipe him to get him to eliminate. He is now completely litter box
> compliant and gained 5 ounces in one week.
>
> We are taking him with us on an RV trip tomorrow. He has his own place to
> sleep and we will have a litter box and proper food for him. When we get
> back, he will be old enough for his kitten shots and will be considered
> adoptable. He is acclimated to living with a dog and socialized to human
> beings. He's bright, curious and will make a wonderful pet.
>
> There was never a question of keeping the little guy. I knew from the
> get-go that I was a foster mom. I have been actively looking for a home
> for him and I have fund a couple of interested people. Any adoption will
> have to go through the Humane Society as that is what I agreed to when I
> took him as a fosterling. Even if I could keep him, I would be subject to
> the same adoption criteria as any other adoptive parents.
>
> When a kitten is that young, it can't be adopted from the Humane Society
> shelter. It has to be of a certain age and it has to have it's kitten
> shots.
>
> We travel a good deal. Our Toy Poodle adores our neighbors and their
> Cocker Spaniel. The two dogs have known each other since they got the
> Cocker and ours was a puppy. We watch the Cocker when the neighbors are
> away and they take Mickey when we are away. There is no provision for a
> small cat. The neighbor met the kitten and won't take it.
>
> I can't see having to leave the kitten at a kennel or with a pet sitter
> who comes in once a day, feeds it and changes the litter box. That isn't
> what I want for this little guy. I see him as part of a loving family who
> will be home to care for him.
>
>
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

and you have the medical trainning to diagnose her from news groups
postings, I am impressed, Lee
"merryb" > wrote in message
...
On Oct 23, 2:34 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > along with everyone's ailments these are probably the top three. I guess
> > as i thought about this, i really don't care to always share medical
> > info
> > about myself, not only because i really don't want to hear other's
> > stories, it really is private information, and having to answer/try to
> > not
> > answer question takes the fun out of the party... Lee
>
> I would far rather hear about medial stuff or diets than I would sports,
> cars, makeup, baby diaper stuff, the weather and plenty of other things
> people talk about that I think are boring. I think some medical stuff is
> interesting.

That is because you are a hypochondriac...

On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:25:29 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:20:48 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:54:35 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Bryan wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't want to be next to a guy who is eating liver and onions to begin
>> >> with.
>> >
>> >What's your objection to liver and onions?
>>
>> I'll be interested to hear what Bryan doesn't like about them--- but I
>> think I've got to put liver and bacon on the grocery list.
>>
>> Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures. Between the bacon
>> and the organ meat it isn't something one should eat often--- but
>> that makes it even better.
>>
>Don't forget the mashed potatoes.

Not for this boy. I'll eat them roasted, but as a rule, I'd rather
eat rice or beans. [OTOH, my bride could live on mashed potatoes and
only change gravies every few days.]

Jim

On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:57:56 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Jim wrote:
>
>>> What's your objection to liver and onions?
>>
>> I'll be interested to hear what Bryan doesn't like about them--- but I
>> think I've got to put liver and bacon on the grocery list.
>>
>> Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures. Between the bacon and the
>> organ meat it isn't something one should eat often--- but that makes it
>> even better.
>
>My favorite liver recipe is from Thomas Keller: calf's liver with bacon,
>onions, spiced figs, and a red wine jus. But I'm developing a recipe for
>liver with beets, orange zest, and port; I think they'd go together well.
>

I don't know if you're just tweaking the beet-haters, but *I* like it
so far. [every time I see orange I try to work in Szechuan
peppercorns. They might work here too- kind of the opposite
taste/feel of liver & beets.]

Jim
[Mr. food has a recipe that uses sweet peppers, soy sauce & honey. We
switch it up with that every so often.
http://www.mrfood.com/Beef/New-Style-Liver-and-Onions ]

On Oct 24, 7:54*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > I don't want to be next to a guy who is eating liver and onions to begin
> > with.
>
> What's your objection to liver and onions?

The odor.
>
> Bob

--Bryan

On Oct 25, 7:23*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Oct 25, 7:20*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
> > Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
> > >I'll be interested to hear what Bwrrryan doesn't like about them.
> > >Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures, and the organ meat
> > >isn't something one should eat often--- *but
> > >that makes it even better.
>
> > Hehe. . . .
>
> I'll tell you why *I* won't eat liver! Because I'm an RN, I took
> Anatomy and Physiology I and II and I know what the liver does!
>
> 'Nuff said. Look it up if you don't know.

Then there's the kidneys.
>
> John Kuthe, BSN, RN...

--Bryan

On Oct 25, 8:16*am, Janet Bostwick > wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 05:23:10 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Oct 25, 7:20*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> >> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>
> >> >I'll be interested to hear what Bwrrryan doesn't like about them.
> >> >Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures, and the organ meat
> >> >isn't something one should eat often--- *but
> >> >that makes it even better.
>
> >> Hehe. . . .
>
> >I'll tell you why *I* won't eat liver! Because I'm an RN, I took
> >Anatomy and Physiology I and II and I know what the liver does!
>
> >'Nuff said. Look it up if you don't know.
>
> >John Kuthe, BSN, RN...
>
> Better make sure that the hot dogs you buy don't come in natural
> casings. )

Those are pretty thoroughly cleaned of the chitterling material.

> Janet US

--Bryan

Jim wrote:
>
>What's your liver and onions?

Boar's Head braunswieger on a hard roll with seedy mustard and sliced
onion... love it!
http://tinyurl.com/5ujm8qy
http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=boar%27s+head+Bra unschweiger<schnipski>

In article >,
"Storrmmee" > wrote:

> no i am not diabetic, i am hypoglycimic but i have a brother who is very
> unstable in his levels and with the family history i am working slower than
> i would like to a less carby lifestyle, i choose my carbs very carefully
> now, that was step one for me, step 2 is reducing the requency with which i
> eat carbs,
> step 3 has been never eating just a carb without fat or protien,

Some people think that carbs are evil for diabetics. They aren't. They
are the mainstay of the diet. Humans are omnivores. But since the
diabetic's body doesn't regulate the insulin correctly, the diet has to
be carefully controlled, especially the carbs. You can't just eat what
you want, and let your body deal with it. That can cause spikes (and
valleys) for diabetics. There are many ways to deal with this. One is
by *increasing* the frequency of eating carbs. My uncle was on a diet
where he ate six meals a day. He only needed one dose of insulin per
day. That worked well for awhile. Now he's back to eating one main
meal and other smaller meals. He takes two different doses of insulin
each day now. Eating fat or protein (or fiber) with a carb is a way of
slowing the rise in blood sugar, so you can go longer between meals.

> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Storrmmee wrote:

> >> this, i love oatmeal raisin cookies, not good for me in general, so
> >> when we are at a buffett i eat one or two depending n size because i
> >> get to taste them without having them in the house, Lee
> >
> > Are you on insulin? If so, you can cover your excess carb consumption. I
> > can't imagine eating a cookie.

In general, I would have to say that was bad medical advice. If a
diabetic is on that sort of program already, then they know how to
handle this. If they aren't, then they shouldn't change their program
without consulting with their medical person FIRST. I am on a fixed
dose insulin program. I cannot change my insulin dose based on what I
eat, only on 2-3 days worth of blood sugar readings. I have been on
this program for five years. My doctor has told me (threatened me?)
that if I am unable to maintain my blood sugar well on this program, I
will be switched to a program where I vary my insulin dosage for each
meal. For starters, this means that I will go from a twice a day
injection to FOUR times a day. Not fun. In addition, insulin is always
taken BEFORE the food, so I would have to determine exactly how much I
will be eating (including how many carbs), and calculate the insulin
dose before I eat. Sneaking an extra cookie is not on the program.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 10/26/2011 8:14 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Boar's Head braunswieger on a hard roll with seedy mustard and sliced
> onion... love it!
> http://tinyurl.com/5ujm8qy
> http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=boar%27s+head+Bra unschweiger<schnipski>
>

Looks good. It is hard to find good, hard rolls down south. We have to
use bolillos, which are pretty good.

Becca

Bryan > wrote:

>On Oct 24, 7:54*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
>wrote:
>> Bryan wrote:
>> > I don't want to be next to a guy who is eating liver and onions to begin
>> > with.
>>
>> What's your objection to liver and onions?
>
>The odor.

He's used to it, schtinks like his shmoo.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:31:57 -0500, Ema Nymton >
wrote:

>On 10/26/2011 8:14 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Boar's Head braunswieger on a hard roll with seedy mustard and sliced
>> onion... love it!
>> http://tinyurl.com/5ujm8qy
>> http://search.aol.com/aol/imageDetails?s_it=imageDetails&q=boar%27s+head+Bra unschweiger<schnipski>
>>
>
>Looks good. It is hard to find good, hard rolls down south. We have to
>use bolillos, which are pretty good.

It's hard to find good hard rolls up north anymore either... pretty
much best to bake ones own. I can still get good bread from Brooklyn
but the real bakeries are in their death throes. Today most baked
goods are all chemicals. These are one of my favorites, I like them
for my giant burgers:
http://www.food.com/recipe/portugues...o-secos-401938

On 10/26/2011 12:21 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Looks good. It is hard to find good, hard rolls down south. We have to
> use bolillos, which are pretty good.
> It's hard to find good hard rolls up north anymore either... pretty
> much best to bake ones own. I can still get good bread from Brooklyn
> but the real bakeries are in their death throes. Today most baked
> goods are all chemicals. These are one of my favorites, I like them
> for my giant burgers:
> http://www.food.com/recipe/portugues...o-secos-401938

You can still find good rolls, although you have to drive a good
distance. Not being able to get good, crusty French bread here in
Louisiana is just sad. Here, we have to rely on the Vietnamese bakeries
and the Hispanic panadarieas, which are both very good.

Becca

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:39:17 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:25:29 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:20:48 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:54:35 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Bryan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I don't want to be next to a guy who is eating liver and onions to begin
> >> >> with.
> >> >
> >> >What's your objection to liver and onions?
> >>
> >> I'll be interested to hear what Bryan doesn't like about them--- but I
> >> think I've got to put liver and bacon on the grocery list.
> >>
> >> Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures. Between the bacon
> >> and the organ meat it isn't something one should eat often--- but
> >> that makes it even better.
> >>
> >Don't forget the mashed potatoes.
>
> Not for this boy. I'll eat them roasted, but as a rule, I'd rather
> eat rice or beans.

Rice and beans with liver? I couldn't do it.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:47:14 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:39:17 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:25:29 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:20:48 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:54:35 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Bryan wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I don't want to be next to a guy who is eating liver and onions to begin
>> >> >> with.
>> >> >
>> >> >What's your objection to liver and onions?
>> >>
>> >> I'll be interested to hear what Bryan doesn't like about them--- but I
>> >> think I've got to put liver and bacon on the grocery list.
>> >>
>> >> Definitely one of my *rare* guilty pleasures. Between the bacon
>> >> and the organ meat it isn't something one should eat often--- but
>> >> that makes it even better.
>> >>
>> >Don't forget the mashed potatoes.
>>
>> Not for this boy. I'll eat them roasted, but as a rule, I'd rather
>> eat rice or beans.
>
>Rice and beans with liver? I couldn't do it.

I couldn't do it either, because I imagine that combo would be like
having sex with you. LOL

Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> which is exactly what she indicated in her first post that she
>> wanted to do, -not make a production and
>> -not comment on the communal foods
>
> Taking two plates of the food served at every meal, pushing it around
> the plate and not eating it, IS a comment on the communal food. A
> rude one.

I would think so too.

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
>> no i am not diabetic, i am hypoglycimic but i have a brother who is
>> very unstable in his levels and with the family history i am working
>> slower than i would like to a less carby lifestyle, i choose my
>> carbs very carefully now, that was step one for me, step 2 is
>> reducing the requency with which i eat carbs,
>> step 3 has been never eating just a carb without fat or protien,
>
> Some people think that carbs are evil for diabetics. They aren't.
> They are the mainstay of the diet. Humans are omnivores. But since
> the diabetic's body doesn't regulate the insulin correctly, the diet
> has to be carefully controlled, especially the carbs. You can't just
> eat what you want, and let your body deal with it. That can cause
> spikes (and valleys) for diabetics. There are many ways to deal with
> this. One is by *increasing* the frequency of eating carbs. My
> uncle was on a diet where he ate six meals a day. He only needed one
> dose of insulin per day. That worked well for awhile. Now he's back
> to eating one main meal and other smaller meals. He takes two
> different doses of insulin each day now. Eating fat or protein (or
> fiber) with a carb is a way of slowing the rise in blood sugar, so
> you can go longer between meals.
>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Storrmmee wrote:
>
>>>> this, i love oatmeal raisin cookies, not good for me in general, so
>>>> when we are at a buffett i eat one or two depending n size because
>>>> i get to taste them without having them in the house, Lee
>>>
>>> Are you on insulin? If so, you can cover your excess carb
>>> consumption. I can't imagine eating a cookie.
>
> In general, I would have to say that was bad medical advice. If a
> diabetic is on that sort of program already, then they know how to
> handle this. If they aren't, then they shouldn't change their program
> without consulting with their medical person FIRST. I am on a fixed
> dose insulin program. I cannot change my insulin dose based on what I
> eat, only on 2-3 days worth of blood sugar readings. I have been on
> this program for five years. My doctor has told me (threatened me?)
> that if I am unable to maintain my blood sugar well on this program, I
> will be switched to a program where I vary my insulin dosage for each
> meal. For starters, this means that I will go from a twice a day
> injection to FOUR times a day. Not fun. In addition, insulin is
> always taken BEFORE the food, so I would have to determine exactly
> how much I will be eating (including how many carbs), and calculate
> the insulin dose before I eat. Sneaking an extra cookie is not on
> the program.

I used to shoot based on what I ate. That simply didn't work for me. But I
was still limited to 45 g of carbs per meal.