On 10/30/2011 12:50 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:49 -0400, James Silverton
> > wrote:
>
>> The paper filters are pretty cheap. Surely, you can't want to reuse them?
>
> I used to have a cloth filter that was reusable.
>

Paper towels work OK in a pinch. I guess they probably had a taste to
them but I never detected them.

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 06:24:38 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

> On 10/30/2011 12:50 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:49 -0400, James Silverton
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> The paper filters are pretty cheap. Surely, you can't want to reuse them?
> >
> > I used to have a cloth filter that was reusable.
> >
>
> Paper towels work OK in a pinch. I guess they probably had a taste to
> them but I never detected them.

I thought you were talking about regular paper filters, not paper
towels.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 10/31/2011 6:47 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 06:24:38 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> On 10/30/2011 12:50 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:49 -0400, James Silverton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The paper filters are pretty cheap. Surely, you can't want to reuse them?
>>>
>>> I used to have a cloth filter that was reusable.
>>>
>>
>> Paper towels work OK in a pinch. I guess they probably had a taste to
>> them but I never detected them.
>
> I thought you were talking about regular paper filters, not paper
> towels.
>

I use the regular paper filters because they're made for brewing coffee.
Costco sells a bag of several thousand for dirt cheap. Paper towels are
probably not made for a soak in drinking water but they work fine as a
coffee filter - well, the cheap ones do anyway. I guess it all depends
on how desperate you are to have a cup.

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:04:26 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> Paper towels are
> probably not made for a soak in drinking water but they work fine as a
> coffee filter - well, the cheap ones do anyway. I guess it all depends
> on how desperate you are to have a cup.

I've heard that people use paper towels when they run out of paper
filters; but I usually think ahead and have a new box on hand and the
one time I didn't - I wasn't desperate enough to use a paper towel.


--
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On 10/31/2011 12:24 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 12:50 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:49 -0400, James Silverton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> The paper filters are pretty cheap. Surely, you can't want to reuse
>>> them?
>>
>> I used to have a cloth filter that was reusable.
>>
>
> Paper towels work OK in a pinch. I guess they probably had a taste to
> them but I never detected them.

Yes, I've used a paper towel in desperation and did not notice any bad
effects except that they have a tendency to slip and let some grounds
through.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not*

On Nov 1, 12:11*am, James Silverton >
wrote:
> On 10/31/2011 12:24 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On 10/30/2011 12:50 PM, sf wrote:
> >> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:49 -0400, James Silverton
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> The paper filters are pretty cheap. Surely, you can't want to reuse
> >>> them?
>
> >> I used to have a cloth filter that was reusable.
>
> > Paper towels work OK in a pinch. I guess they probably had a taste to
> > them but I never detected them.
>
> Yes, I've used a paper towel in desperation and did not notice any bad
> effects except that they have a tendency to slip and let some grounds
> through.
>
> --
>
> James Silverton, Potomac
>
> I'm *not*

Cotton handkercheifs!! Maybe two!! :-)

John Kuthe...

On 10/31/2011 7:09 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:04:26 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> Paper towels are
>> probably not made for a soak in drinking water but they work fine as a
>> coffee filter - well, the cheap ones do anyway. I guess it all depends
>> on how desperate you are to have a cup.
>
> I've heard that people use paper towels when they run out of paper
> filters; but I usually think ahead and have a new box on hand and the
> one time I didn't - I wasn't desperate enough to use a paper towel.
>
>

I don't have a tight rein on my desperation nor do I think ahead i.e.,
I'm a male slob.

On 10/31/2011 7:11 AM, James Silverton wrote:
> On 10/31/2011 12:24 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 10/30/2011 12:50 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:49 -0400, James Silverton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The paper filters are pretty cheap. Surely, you can't want to reuse
>>>> them?
>>>
>>> I used to have a cloth filter that was reusable.
>>>
>>
>> Paper towels work OK in a pinch. I guess they probably had a taste to
>> them but I never detected them.
>
> Yes, I've used a paper towel in desperation and did not notice any bad
> effects except that they have a tendency to slip and let some grounds
> through.
>

Gotta have that cup of Joe. Come to think of it, I'm going downstairs
and make a pot - oh boy! Oddly enough, it's still breakfast in the
middle of nowhere.

On Oct 31, 11:00*pm, merryb > wrote:
> On Oct 30, 1:18*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 30, 10:01*am, James Silverton >
> > wrote:
>
> > > On 10/30/2011 3:21 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>
> > > > John Kuthe wrote:
> > > >> On Oct 30, 6:51 am, Brooklyn1<Gravesend1> *wrote:
> > > >>> pure > *wrote:
>
> > > >>>> Gold filters are the best if you want unadulterated coffee flavor.

John Kuthe wrote:
>merryb wrote:
>> On Oct 30, 1:18*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>> > On Oct 30, 10:01*am, James Silverton >
>> > wrote:
>> I have the big Bunn filters (that sounds funny!) - they work great for
>> washing windows...
>
>I like big Bunns and I cannot lie! ;-)

Bwrrrryan's Big Bunns! LOL

On Oct 29, 9:07*pm, pure kona > wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:08:20 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Oct 29, 12:55*pm, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >> > On 10/29/2011 2:01 AM, wrote:
> >> >> On Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:46:15 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >> >>> I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy
> >> >>> way to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old
> >> >>> coffee grounds. I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old
> >> >>> grounds and oils but the idea is icky. The worst would be those
> >> >>> machines in supermarkets. I like the high speed sound of the blade
> >> >>> grinders myself.
>
> >> >> The coffee purists will tell you all about heat and suchlike, but
> >> >> the fact is that nobody but possibly a few experts can tell the
> >> >> difference using the drip process with paper filters and many people
> >> >> prefer the taste of blade-ground drip coffee to burr ground anyway.
> >> >> If you're doing French Press you can _see_ a difference--the
> >> >> whirligigs don't give an even grind--you get a lot of fines that
> >> >> make it through the press and end up as sediment in your cup. *If
> >> >> you're doing Espresso then it's the difference between having
> >> >> coffee and not having coffee--the fines from the whirligig clog the
> >> >> portafilter and nothing comes out.
>
> >> > Come to think of it, if one uses a French press, a burr grinder would
> >> > probably be preferable. I used paper filters so it didn't matter much
> >> > about coffee particle size. My grind came up consistently fine anyway.
>
> >> Why do people use paper filters in their drip machines? *We've always
> >> used a gold filter without a paper insert and always thought the coffee
> >> tasted better that way.
>
> >Paper filters are cheap and disposable. (Like most people! ;-) )
>
> >John Kuthe...
>
> *Paper filters IMHO leave a paper taste with the coffee. *"Gold"
> filters do not. *Do not even ask me about brown paper filters because
> they taste like paper bags + the coffee flavor.
>
> Gold filters are the best if you want unadulterated coffee flavor. We
> sell flavor/aromatics so it is important to me.
>

I'd use a French press in that case, and free up some counter space.

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:38:18 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

> On 10/31/2011 7:09 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:04:26 -1000, dsi1
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Paper towels are
> >> probably not made for a soak in drinking water but they work fine as a
> >> coffee filter - well, the cheap ones do anyway. I guess it all depends
> >> on how desperate you are to have a cup.
> >
> > I've heard that people use paper towels when they run out of paper
> > filters; but I usually think ahead and have a new box on hand and the
> > one time I didn't - I wasn't desperate enough to use a paper towel.
> >
> >
>
> I don't have a tight rein on my desperation nor do I think ahead i.e.,
> I'm a male slob.

<sigh> Well, recognizing the problem is one step on the way to
recovery.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 10/31/2011 8:48 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:38:18 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> On 10/31/2011 7:09 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:04:26 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paper towels are
>>>> probably not made for a soak in drinking water but they work fine as a
>>>> coffee filter - well, the cheap ones do anyway. I guess it all depends
>>>> on how desperate you are to have a cup.
>>>
>>> I've heard that people use paper towels when they run out of paper
>>> filters; but I usually think ahead and have a new box on hand and the
>>> one time I didn't - I wasn't desperate enough to use a paper towel.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't have a tight rein on my desperation nor do I think ahead i.e.,
>> I'm a male slob.
>
> <sigh> Well, recognizing the problem is one step on the way to
> recovery.
>

Personally, I think I'm doomed. I should just become a monk.

I went downstairs and found that there was half a pot of coffee from
yesterday. What a disappointment. No fresh, hot, coffee. No enticing
aroma. I was going to dump it but my frugal side made me nuke it
instead. Not a good start for the week.

On top of that, my daughter walked out of her room with a big cat. This
cat has been hanging around our condo for some reason. What a strange
cat. She walks around here like she owns the place and is not skittish
at all. What gives? The cat appears well cared for but why does she hang
outside our door mewing all the time? That darn cat!

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:20:23 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> Personally, I think I'm doomed. I should just become a monk.

Heh, your life is too complicated to be a monk.
>
> I went downstairs and found that there was half a pot of coffee from
> yesterday. What a disappointment. No fresh, hot, coffee. No enticing
> aroma. I was going to dump it but my frugal side made me nuke it
> instead. Not a good start for the week.

Whatever happened to making iced coffee with the leftovers? Think
outside the box, young man!
>
> On top of that, my daughter walked out of her room with a big cat. This
> cat has been hanging around our condo for some reason. What a strange
> cat. She walks around here like she owns the place and is not skittish
> at all. What gives? The cat appears well cared for but why does she hang
> outside our door mewing all the time? That darn cat!

Cats are like that. My next door neighbor loves cats and my cats have
been known to enter her second story window when it was left open.
One night, she found one of my cats walking down her banister as if he
owned the joint.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 06:24:38 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

>On 10/30/2011 12:50 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:49 -0400, James Silverton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> The paper filters are pretty cheap. Surely, you can't want to reuse them?
>>
>> I used to have a cloth filter that was reusable.
>>
>
>Paper towels work OK in a pinch. I guess they probably had a taste to
>them but I never detected them.

In a hotel room where I brought my own coffee- I have used a couple of
pieces of hotel Kleenex. Wasn't the best tasting but it was better
than the junk offered with the little coffee maker.

aloha,
Cea

On 10/31/2011 12:32 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:20:23 -1000, dsi1
>> On top of that, my daughter walked out of her room with a big cat. This
>> cat has been hanging around our condo for some reason. What a strange
>> cat. She walks around here like she owns the place and is not skittish
>> at all. What gives? The cat appears well cared for but why does she hang
>> outside our door mewing all the time? That darn cat!
>
> Cats are like that. My next door neighbor loves cats and my cats have
> been known to enter her second story window when it was left open.
> One night, she found one of my cats walking down her banister as if he
> owned the joint.
>

The cat might live upstairs on the third floor. I would open the stairs
so she could go up but then she'd be locked in the stairwell. When I get
home, I'll see if she goes in and has any preference in floors.

On 10/31/2011 12:51 PM, pure kona wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 06:24:38 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> On 10/30/2011 12:50 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:01:49 -0400, James Silverton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The paper filters are pretty cheap. Surely, you can't want to reuse them?
>>>
>>> I used to have a cloth filter that was reusable.
>>>
>>
>> Paper towels work OK in a pinch. I guess they probably had a taste to
>> them but I never detected them.
>
> In a hotel room where I brought my own coffee- I have used a couple of
> pieces of hotel Kleenex. Wasn't the best tasting but it was better
> than the junk offered with the little coffee maker.

I'll keep that in mind. It would make a great story: "When there was no
filters, we used paper towels. When there was no paper towels, we used
Kleenex. When there was no Kleenex, we used masticated bird nests. When
there was no masticated bird nests, we used..."

>
> aloha,
> Cea

sf wrote:

> Whatever happened to making iced coffee with the leftovers? Think
> outside the box, young man!

+1. Iced coffee is wonderful and the perfect thing to do w/ leftover
coffee - even from the day before, if it was good coffee and it's been
kept in a carafe with a lid, it'll make fine iced coffee.

-S-

dsi1 > wrote:

<snip>

> I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy way
> to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old coffee
> grounds.

From time to time, I use compressed air to blow out the old grounds. I used
to do computer support (but, I'm feeling *much* better now), so I always
seem to have cans of compressed air rolling about underfoot.

Word of advice. If you try this, do it outside.

> I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old grounds and oils
> but the idea is icky.

You might be surprised.

> The worst would be those machines in supermarkets.

I try to avoid supermarket coffee. Still, I'd rather have that than
starbucks.


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John Kuthe > wrote:

> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!

Try dialing back the amount you use at the finest grind. Most people make
their coffee too strong. If you do that, there's not much point to getting
good coffee and grinding your own.

I sprinkle a few grains of salt in the grounds when I make my coffee. That
seems to take out some of the bitterness.

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On Dec 30, 4:23*pm, Mike Muth > wrote:
> John Kuthe > wrote:
> > Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> > yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> > went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> > almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> Try dialing back the amount you use at the finest grind. *Most people make
> their coffee too strong. *If you do that, there's not much point to getting
> good coffee and grinding your own.
>
> I sprinkle a few grains of salt in the grounds when I make my coffee. *That
> seems to take out some of the bitterness.
>

You're right that salt seems to mellow out coffee. I should keep a
shaker of salt alongside the Splenda.

My Keurig coffeemaker died. It ain't that old but the word is that
these things are unreliable and the pumps frequently die. What I do is
take the coffee out of the K-cup and brew the grind in a small
automatic drip machine. The grind in the K-cups are pretty fine.

> --
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On 31 Dec 2011 02:23:53 GMT, Mike Muth > wrote:

>.... Most people make their coffee too strong. If you do that, there's not much point to getting
>good coffee and grinding your own....

Are you trolling, or do you really believe those completely false statements?

-- Larry

On Dec 31, 8:57*am, wrote:
> On 31 Dec 2011 02:23:53 GMT, Mike Muth > wrote:
>
> >.... Most people make their coffee too strong. *If you do that, there's not much point to getting
> >good coffee and grinding your own....
>
> Are you trolling, or do you really believe those completely false statements?
>
> -- Larry

I was gonna say!!

John Kuthe...

wrote:

> On 31 Dec 2011 02:23:53 GMT, Mike Muth >
> wrote:
>
>>.... Most people make their coffee too strong. If you do that,
>>there's not much point to getting good coffee and grinding your
>>own....
>
> Are you trolling, or do you really believe those completely false
> statements?

I shouldn't have said "most" rather than "many". I'll stand by what I
said, though.

If you make your coffee sufficiently strong, there is not much to
differentiate Jamaica Blue Mountain from Folgers. When you make your
coffee so strong, taking care to properly maintain the coffee maker,
carafe, and grinder is essentially lost effort. You might as well get that
over-roasted Starbucks stuff.

I make my coffee strong, but not so strong that I lose the fine nuances of
taste and aroma. Why else would I pay $40 a pound for my coffee, if not
for the taste. Why lose that?


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On 31 Dec 2011 19:38:28 GMT, Mike Muth > wrote:

wrote:
>
>I shouldn't have said "most" rather than "many". I'll stand by what I
>said, though.
>
>If you make your coffee sufficiently strong, there is not much to
>differentiate Jamaica Blue Mountain from Folgers. When you make your
>coffee so strong, taking care to properly maintain the coffee maker,
>carafe, and grinder is essentially lost effort. You might as well get that
>over-roasted Starbucks stuff.

OK. I simply think you're wrong here. I agree with you that roasting too dark
makes beans virtually indistinguishable (and horrid). But brewing strong coffee
-- anything up to the point of over-extraction, which turns the brew bitter --
should not kill flavor at all. Quite the contrary.

I regularly grind fine and brew strong mild beans like Indonesians, and have no
difficulty discerning them from Sumatran, Kenyan, Ethiopian, etc. similarly
brewed.

-- Larry