Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
almost 33% more coffee per pot!!

Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)

Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
me.

John Kuthe...

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:15:59 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
>yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
>went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
>almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
>Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
>Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
>me.
>
>John Kuthe...

You're an RN but have a hard time making a cup of coffee? Too funny!

Lou

On 10/27/2011 8:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
> me.
>

I hate to say I told you so, but...

<actually, I love to say it>

On Oct 27, 10:15*pm, Pennyaline >
wrote:
> On 10/27/2011 8:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> > yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> > went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> > almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> > Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
> > Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
> > me.
>
> I hate to say I told you so, but...
>
> <actually, I love to say it>

Yep, you were correct! Not right though. To me "right" implies some
ethical or moral goodness, like it's right to help people. 1+1=2 is
merely correct, no ethics or morality implied.


John Kuthe...

On 10/28/2011 8:25 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Oct 27, 10:15 pm, >
> wrote:
>> On 10/27/2011 8:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
>>> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
>>> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
>>> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>>
>>> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>>
>>> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
>>> me.
>>
>> I hate to say I told you so, but...
>>
>> <actually, I love to say it>
>
> Yep, you were correct! Not right though. To me "right" implies some
> ethical or moral goodness, like it's right to help people. 1+1=2 is
> merely correct, no ethics or morality implied.

I didn't say I was "right." I said I hate to say I told you so, etc.

On Oct 28, 10:06*am, Pennyaline >
wrote:
> On 10/28/2011 8:25 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 10:15 pm, >
> > wrote:
> >> On 10/27/2011 8:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> >>> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> >>> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> >>> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> >>> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> >>> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
> >>> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
> >>> me.
>
> >> I hate to say I told you so, but...
>
> >> <actually, I love to say it>
>
> > Yep, you were correct! Not right though. To me "right" implies some
> > ethical or moral goodness, like it's right to help people. 1+1=2 is
> > merely correct, no ethics or morality implied.
>
> I didn't say I was "right." I said I hate to say I told you so, etc.

Ah, you are correct! :-)

Gawd I'm tired! Think I'm gonna get to bed early today. I have to work
again tonight!

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Oct 28, 10:06 am, Pennyaline >
> wrote:

>> I didn't say I was "right." I said I hate to say I told you so, etc.
>
> Ah, you are correct! :-)
>
> Gawd I'm tired! Think I'm gonna get to bed early today. I have to work
> again tonight!
>
> John Kuthe...

You could always start tomorrow off by having a Bud Lite with Andy

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:06:13 -0600, Pennyaline
> wrote:

> On 10/28/2011 8:25 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Oct 27, 10:15 pm, >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I hate to say I told you so, but...
> >>
> >> <actually, I love to say it>
> >
> > Yep, you were correct! Not right though. To me "right" implies some
> > ethical or moral goodness, like it's right to help people. 1+1=2 is
> > merely correct, no ethics or morality implied.
>
> I didn't say I was "right." I said I hate to say I told you so, etc.

He was just explaining why he said you're "correct" instead of you're
"right". What's wrong with you lately? Everything's an argument.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

John Kuthe wrote:
> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
> me.
>
> John Kuthe...

You might try _less_ coffee with the finest grind and see what you think
of that. It's possible that the bitterness is just too much bean
surface and you need less. Also consider not 2/3 the finest but more
like 80-90% of the way toward the finest grind and, again, try less
coffee.

-S-

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:07:56 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

>John Kuthe wrote:
>> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
>> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
>> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
>> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>>
>> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>>
>> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
>> me.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>You might try _less_ coffee with the finest grind and see what you think
>of that. It's possible that the bitterness is just too much bean
>surface and you need less. Also consider not 2/3 the finest but more
>like 80-90% of the way toward the finest grind and, again, try less
>coffee.

Didja ever think that the bitterness is from shit coffee?

I stopped buying beans about a year ago, retired my burr grinder, and
now use strictly Walmart brand pre-ground in nitrogen pack cans...
best coffee I ever had.

On Oct 28, 5:25*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:07:56 -0400, "Steve Freides" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >John Kuthe wrote:
> >> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> >> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> >> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> >> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> >> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
> >> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
> >> me.
>
> >> John Kuthe...
>
> >You might try _less_ coffee with the finest grind and see what you think
> >of that. *It's possible that the bitterness is just too much bean
> >surface and you need less. *Also consider not 2/3 the finest but more
> >like 80-90% of the way toward the finest grind and, again, try less
> >coffee.
>
> Didja ever think that the bitterness is from shit coffee?

No, freshly roasted Sumatran is not shit coffee.


> I stopped buying beans about a year ago, retired my burr grinder, and
> now use strictly Walmart brand pre-ground in nitrogen pack cans...
> best coffee I ever had.

Anything from MalWart is shit, by definition.

John Kuthe...

On 10/27/2011 4:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
> me.
>
> John Kuthe...
>

I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy way
to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old coffee
grounds. I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old grounds and oils
but the idea is icky. The worst would be those machines in supermarkets.
I like the high speed sound of the blade grinders myself.

On Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:46:15 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On 10/27/2011 4:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> > yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> > went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> > almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
> >
> > Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
> >
> > Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
> > me.
> >
> > John Kuthe...
> >
>
> I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy way
> to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old coffee
> grounds. I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old grounds and oils
> but the idea is icky. The worst would be those machines in supermarkets.
> I like the high speed sound of the blade grinders myself.

The coffee purists will tell you all about heat and suchlike, but the fact is that nobody but possibly a few experts can tell the difference using the drip process with paper filters and many people prefer the taste of blade-ground drip coffee to burr ground anyway.

If you're doing French Press you can _see_ a difference--the whirligigs don't give an even grind--you get a lot of fines that make it through the press and end up as sediment in your cup.

If you're doing Espresso then it's the difference between having coffee and not having coffee--the fines from the whirligig clog the portafilter and nothing comes out.

On 10/29/2011 2:01 AM, wrote:
> On Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:46:15 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 10/27/2011 4:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
>>> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
>>> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
>>> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>>>
>>> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>>>
>>> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
>>> me.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>
>> I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy way
>> to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old coffee
>> grounds. I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old grounds and oils
>> but the idea is icky. The worst would be those machines in supermarkets.
>> I like the high speed sound of the blade grinders myself.
>
> The coffee purists will tell you all about heat and suchlike, but the fact is that nobody but possibly a few experts can tell the difference using the drip process with paper filters and many people prefer the taste of blade-ground drip coffee to burr ground anyway.
>
> If you're doing French Press you can _see_ a difference--the whirligigs don't give an even grind--you get a lot of fines that make it through the press and end up as sediment in your cup.
>
> If you're doing Espresso then it's the difference between having coffee and not having coffee--the fines from the whirligig clog the portafilter and nothing comes out.
>

Come to think of it, if one uses a French press, a burr grinder would
probably be preferable. I used paper filters so it didn't matter much
about coffee particle size. My grind came up consistently fine anyway.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 10/29/2011 2:01 AM, wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:46:15 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2011 4:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest
>>>> grind yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3
>>>> finest and went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's
>>>> great! But that's almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>>>>
>>>> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth
>>>> it to me.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy
>>> way to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old
>>> coffee grounds. I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old
>>> grounds and oils but the idea is icky. The worst would be those
>>> machines in supermarkets. I like the high speed sound of the blade
>>> grinders myself.
>>
>> The coffee purists will tell you all about heat and suchlike, but
>> the fact is that nobody but possibly a few experts can tell the
>> difference using the drip process with paper filters and many people
>> prefer the taste of blade-ground drip coffee to burr ground anyway.
>> If you're doing French Press you can _see_ a difference--the
>> whirligigs don't give an even grind--you get a lot of fines that
>> make it through the press and end up as sediment in your cup. If
>> you're doing Espresso then it's the difference between having
>> coffee and not having coffee--the fines from the whirligig clog the
>> portafilter and nothing comes out.
>
> Come to think of it, if one uses a French press, a burr grinder would
> probably be preferable. I used paper filters so it didn't matter much
> about coffee particle size. My grind came up consistently fine anyway.

Why do people use paper filters in their drip machines? We've always
used a gold filter without a paper insert and always thought the coffee
tasted better that way.

-S-

On Oct 29, 12:55*pm, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On 10/29/2011 2:01 AM, wrote:
> >> On Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:46:15 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On 10/27/2011 4:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >>>> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest
> >>>> grind yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3
> >>>> finest and went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's
> >>>> great! But that's almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> >>>> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
> >>>> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth
> >>>> it to me.
>
> >>>> John Kuthe...
>
> >>> I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy
> >>> way to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old
> >>> coffee grounds. I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old
> >>> grounds and oils but the idea is icky. The worst would be those
> >>> machines in supermarkets. I like the high speed sound of the blade
> >>> grinders myself.
>
> >> The coffee purists will tell you all about heat and suchlike, but
> >> the fact is that nobody but possibly a few experts can tell the
> >> difference using the drip process with paper filters and many people
> >> prefer the taste of blade-ground drip coffee to burr ground anyway.
> >> If you're doing French Press you can _see_ a difference--the
> >> whirligigs don't give an even grind--you get a lot of fines that
> >> make it through the press and end up as sediment in your cup. *If
> >> you're doing Espresso then it's the difference between having
> >> coffee and not having coffee--the fines from the whirligig clog the
> >> portafilter and nothing comes out.
>
> > Come to think of it, if one uses a French press, a burr grinder would
> > probably be preferable. I used paper filters so it didn't matter much
> > about coffee particle size. My grind came up consistently fine anyway.
>
> Why do people use paper filters in their drip machines? *We've always
> used a gold filter without a paper insert and always thought the coffee
> tasted better that way.

Paper filters are cheap and disposable. (Like most people! ;-) )

John Kuthe...

On Oct 29, 7:55*am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On 10/29/2011 2:01 AM, wrote:
> >> On Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:46:15 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On 10/27/2011 4:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >>>> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest
> >>>> grind yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3
> >>>> finest and went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's
> >>>> great! But that's almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> >>>> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
> >>>> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth
> >>>> it to me.
>
> >>>> John Kuthe...
>
> >>> I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy
> >>> way to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old
> >>> coffee grounds. I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old
> >>> grounds and oils but the idea is icky. The worst would be those
> >>> machines in supermarkets. I like the high speed sound of the blade
> >>> grinders myself.
>
> >> The coffee purists will tell you all about heat and suchlike, but
> >> the fact is that nobody but possibly a few experts can tell the
> >> difference using the drip process with paper filters and many people
> >> prefer the taste of blade-ground drip coffee to burr ground anyway.
> >> If you're doing French Press you can _see_ a difference--the
> >> whirligigs don't give an even grind--you get a lot of fines that
> >> make it through the press and end up as sediment in your cup. *If
> >> you're doing Espresso then it's the difference between having
> >> coffee and not having coffee--the fines from the whirligig clog the
> >> portafilter and nothing comes out.
>
> > Come to think of it, if one uses a French press, a burr grinder would
> > probably be preferable. I used paper filters so it didn't matter much
> > about coffee particle size. My grind came up consistently fine anyway.
>
> Why do people use paper filters in their drip machines? *We've always
> used a gold filter without a paper insert and always thought the coffee
> tasted better that way.
>
> -S-

As far as I know, paper filters are the only way to get a grind and
mud free cup of coffee. Gold filters are fine but cleaning those
things are a real drag.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 10/27/2011 4:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
>> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
>> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
>> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>>
>> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>>
>> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it
>> to me.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
> I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy way
> to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old coffee
> grounds. I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old grounds and oils
> but the idea is icky. The worst would be those machines in
> supermarkets. I like the high speed sound of the blade grinders
> myself.

The justification for burr grinders is the evenness of the results when
compared to what one gets from a blade grinder.

-S-

On 10/29/2011 3:14 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 10/27/2011 4:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
>>> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
>>> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
>>> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>>>
>>> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>>>
>>> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it
>>> to me.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>
>> I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy way
>> to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old coffee
>> grounds. I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old grounds and oils
>> but the idea is icky. The worst would be those machines in
>> supermarkets. I like the high speed sound of the blade grinders
>> myself.
>
> The justification for burr grinders is the evenness of the results when
> compared to what one gets from a blade grinder.
>
> -S-

I used a paper filter and a fine grind but depending on the method of
coffee making, a burr grinder could have some advantages.

dsi1 > wrote:

<snip>

> I don't understand the burr grinders myself. It seems like a messy way
> to grind coffee and the grinding surfaces will collect old coffee
> grounds.

From time to time, I use compressed air to blow out the old grounds. I used
to do computer support (but, I'm feeling *much* better now), so I always
seem to have cans of compressed air rolling about underfoot.

Word of advice. If you try this, do it outside.

> I probably wouldn't be able to taste the old grounds and oils
> but the idea is icky.

You might be surprised.

> The worst would be those machines in supermarkets.

I try to avoid supermarket coffee. Still, I'd rather have that than
starbucks.


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On Oct 27, 10:15*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
> Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
> me .
>
> John Kuthe...

Dialed it back? Hmph - I give mine a five second grind, shake the
ginder, and five more. I wonder if maybe your coffee is the culprit,
your grinder or timing.

It's still cheaper than stopping at 7-11, tho, right?

On Oct 29, 1:28*pm, Kalmia > wrote:
> On Oct 27, 10:15*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
> > Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> > yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> > went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> > almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> > Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
> > Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
> > me .
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> Dialed it back? *Hmph - I give mine a five second grind, shake the
> ginder, and five more. *I wonder if maybe your coffee is the culprit,
> your grinder or timing.
>
> It's still cheaper than stopping at 7-11, tho, right?

The grind adjustment varies the spacing between the grinding surfaces,
varying the size of the grind. And the beans are fed by gravity
through the grinding surfaces, so the thing that mostly affects the
time of the grind is the quantity of beans in the hopper.

And "shake the grinder"? Are you sure you're not talking about a high
speed bladed coffee slicer?

John Kuthe...

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:47:49 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

> And "shake the grinder"? Are you sure you're not talking about a high
> speed bladed coffee slicer?

Can't say for sure, but some coffee is pretty oily so if you've set
the grind to fine and grinding a lot at once, I can see where shaking
it might be called for.

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

John Kuthe > wrote:

>Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
>yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
>went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
>almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
>Good thing I'm a working man again! :-)
>
>Might try my coffee slicer again and see if the grinder is worth it to
>me.

How much coffee (by weight) are you using, to make how much brewed
coffee? I find that the minimum amount of coffee that allows me to
make two decently-strong, six-ounce cups of coffee is about 1.1 ounces,
but around 1.4 ounces is better.

I'm not sure how much 3/4 cup of coffee beans weighs but it's probably
way more than that.

Assuming you're using a filter method, I suspect the
main source of your problem is you're making coffee in batches that are
too large. Generally it's difficult to brew more than about three
cups of coffee at a time and have it come out properly, without
it being pretty wasteful. 8- to 12-cup filter coffeemakers do function,
but are very inefficient.


Steve

John Kuthe > wrote:

> Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> almost 33% more coffee per pot!!

Try dialing back the amount you use at the finest grind. Most people make
their coffee too strong. If you do that, there's not much point to getting
good coffee and grinding your own.

I sprinkle a few grains of salt in the grounds when I make my coffee. That
seems to take out some of the bitterness.

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On Dec 30, 4:23*pm, Mike Muth > wrote:
> John Kuthe > wrote:
> > Just made my third pot of coffee since buying a grinder. Finest grind
> > yielded too much bitterness, so I dialed it back to 2/3 finest and
> > went from 3/4 cup of beans to 1 full cup, and it's great! But that's
> > almost 33% more coffee per pot!!
>
> Try dialing back the amount you use at the finest grind. *Most people make
> their coffee too strong. *If you do that, there's not much point to getting
> good coffee and grinding your own.
>
> I sprinkle a few grains of salt in the grounds when I make my coffee. *That
> seems to take out some of the bitterness.
>

You're right that salt seems to mellow out coffee. I should keep a
shaker of salt alongside the Splenda.

My Keurig coffeemaker died. It ain't that old but the word is that
these things are unreliable and the pumps frequently die. What I do is
take the coffee out of the K-cup and brew the grind in a small
automatic drip machine. The grind in the K-cups are pretty fine.

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On 31 Dec 2011 02:23:53 GMT, Mike Muth > wrote:

>.... Most people make their coffee too strong. If you do that, there's not much point to getting
>good coffee and grinding your own....

Are you trolling, or do you really believe those completely false statements?

-- Larry

On Dec 31, 8:57*am, wrote:
> On 31 Dec 2011 02:23:53 GMT, Mike Muth > wrote:
>
> >.... Most people make their coffee too strong. *If you do that, there's not much point to getting
> >good coffee and grinding your own....
>
> Are you trolling, or do you really believe those completely false statements?
>
> -- Larry

I was gonna say!!

John Kuthe...

wrote:

> On 31 Dec 2011 02:23:53 GMT, Mike Muth >
> wrote:
>
>>.... Most people make their coffee too strong. If you do that,
>>there's not much point to getting good coffee and grinding your
>>own....
>
> Are you trolling, or do you really believe those completely false
> statements?

I shouldn't have said "most" rather than "many". I'll stand by what I
said, though.

If you make your coffee sufficiently strong, there is not much to
differentiate Jamaica Blue Mountain from Folgers. When you make your
coffee so strong, taking care to properly maintain the coffee maker,
carafe, and grinder is essentially lost effort. You might as well get that
over-roasted Starbucks stuff.

I make my coffee strong, but not so strong that I lose the fine nuances of
taste and aroma. Why else would I pay $40 a pound for my coffee, if not
for the taste. Why lose that?


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On 31 Dec 2011 19:38:28 GMT, Mike Muth > wrote:

wrote:
>
>I shouldn't have said "most" rather than "many". I'll stand by what I
>said, though.
>
>If you make your coffee sufficiently strong, there is not much to
>differentiate Jamaica Blue Mountain from Folgers. When you make your
>coffee so strong, taking care to properly maintain the coffee maker,
>carafe, and grinder is essentially lost effort. You might as well get that
>over-roasted Starbucks stuff.

OK. I simply think you're wrong here. I agree with you that roasting too dark
makes beans virtually indistinguishable (and horrid). But brewing strong coffee
-- anything up to the point of over-extraction, which turns the brew bitter --
should not kill flavor at all. Quite the contrary.

I regularly grind fine and brew strong mild beans like Indonesians, and have no
difficulty discerning them from Sumatran, Kenyan, Ethiopian, etc. similarly
brewed.

-- Larry