You know your operation in mainland China is in trouble
when it's denounced in the People's Daily, mouthpiece
of the Communist Party of China. In the old days, that
would be your last warning before the firing squad.

"Multinational corporations have abundant capital,
advanced management systems and good brand reputations.
Therefore, they should be lead the way in showing how
to run businesses honestly and sincerely."

Huh? Where did the People's Daily get that idea?
They've been reading too much capitalist propaganda.

"However, the recent food safety incidents have made
the public aware that mere self-control cannot prevent
famous enterprises from violating laws and regulations.
The desire for more profits always drives companies to
keep approaching the lowest regulatory limit, which means
lowest standards, lowest costs and highest profits."

Now, they're learning something. And who is this company
that earned themselves a front-page editorial in the
People's Daily?

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90780/7632677.html

On Nov 1, 1:07*pm, Christopher Helms > wrote:
> On Nov 1, 2:56*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > You know your operation in mainland China is in trouble
> > when it's denounced in the People's Daily, mouthpiece
> > of the Communist Party of China. *In the old days, that
> > would be your last warning before the firing squad.
>
> > "Multinational corporations have abundant capital,
> > advanced management systems and good brand reputations.
> > Therefore, they should be lead the way in showing how
> > to run businesses honestly and sincerely."
>
> > Huh? *Where did the People's Daily get that idea?
> > They've been reading too much capitalist propaganda.
>
> > "However, the recent food safety incidents have made
> > the public aware that mere self-control cannot prevent
> > famous enterprises from violating laws and regulations.
> > The desire for more profits always drives companies to
> > keep approaching the lowest regulatory limit, which means
> > lowest standards, lowest costs and highest profits."
>
> It is a real earth shattering event for me to find out that gigantic
> American corporations don't give a rat's ass about anything except
> themselves.

You're just discovering that?

spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
> Call me old fashioned, but I still think facts belong in news articles
> or even opinion pieces. So I don't know how WalMart transgressed.
> Those frogs at Carrefour certainly have a lot to answer for, though.

Hard to say. Most recent is the pork scandal.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_13976159.htm

Then there was selling expired food.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...6/7317371.html

And much earlier, the treatment of a suspected shoplifter.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...2/6754301.html

On 11/1/2011 12:09 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Then there was selling expired food.
>
> http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...6/7317371.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs

>
> And much earlier, the treatment of a suspected shoplifter.
>
> http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...2/6754301.html

"Clean-up on aisle 97!"

On Nov 1, 5:09*pm, Chemo the Clown > wrote:
> On Nov 1, 1:07*pm, Christopher *Helms > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 2:56*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> > > You know your operation in mainland China is in trouble
> > > when it's denounced in the People's Daily, mouthpiece
> > > of the Communist Party of China. *In the old days, that
> > > would be your last warning before the firing squad.
>
> > > "Multinational corporations have abundant capital,
> > > advanced management systems and good brand reputations.
> > > Therefore, they should be lead the way in showing how
> > > to run businesses honestly and sincerely."
>
> > > Huh? *Where did the People's Daily get that idea?
> > > They've been reading too much capitalist propaganda.
>
> > > "However, the recent food safety incidents have made
> > > the public aware that mere self-control cannot prevent
> > > famous enterprises from violating laws and regulations.
> > > The desire for more profits always drives companies to
> > > keep approaching the lowest regulatory limit, which means
> > > lowest standards, lowest costs and highest profits."
>
> > It is a real earth shattering event for me to find out that gigantic
> > American corporations don't give a rat's ass about anything except
> > themselves.
>
> You're just discovering that?


I was being sarcastic. Not too well, apparently.

Wait, does this mean the sleazy Walmart is in trouble for selling bad
Chinese products TO THE CHINESE? In CHINA? Who'd have thunk it?

gloria p

"gloria.p" wrote:
>
> Wait, does this mean the sleazy Walmart is in trouble for selling bad
> Chinese products TO THE CHINESE? In CHINA? Who'd have thunk it?

I wouldn't count on those being "Chinese products".
In the case of the pork scandal, the article said it was
about non-organic pork being sold as organic, but it
didn't say what the real issue was. It might have
something to do with ractopamine, a drug banned in China
used in nearly all non-organic U.S. pork production.

On Nov 1, 4:19*pm, heyjoe > wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 11:56:15 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
> >http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90780/7632677.html
>
> All I can say is "There must be one hell of a big back story". *
>
> What I read was generalities and innuendo, and I'm not exactly sure who
> the editorial finger was pointing at. *Wal-Mart? *Carrefour? *Kentucky?
> McDonald's? or yet some other unnamed "multinational corporation"?
>
> Until now, I didn't think it was possible to be less accurate or wield a
> bigger smear brush than American journalists. *I stand corrected.
>
> --
> "I jotted down three names: Julia Child, Mr. Wizard and Monty Python"
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * A. Brown

Asians tend to not say a lot of things. A lot of things are implied in
the news. That's just their culture.

On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 11:56:15 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>You know your operation in mainland China is in trouble
>when it's denounced in the People's Daily, mouthpiece
>of the Communist Party of China. In the old days, that
>would be your last warning before the firing squad.
>
>"Multinational corporations have abundant capital,
>advanced management systems and good brand reputations.
>Therefore, they should be lead the way in showing how
>to run businesses honestly and sincerely."
>
>Huh? Where did the People's Daily get that idea?
>They've been reading too much capitalist propaganda.
>
>"However, the recent food safety incidents have made
>the public aware that mere self-control cannot prevent
>famous enterprises from violating laws and regulations.
>The desire for more profits always drives companies to
>keep approaching the lowest regulatory limit, which means
>lowest standards, lowest costs and highest profits."
>
>Now, they're learning something. And who is this company
>that earned themselves a front-page editorial in the
>People's Daily?
>
>http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90780/7632677.html


SURPRISE, SURPRISE

dsi1 wrote:
>
> Globalization makes for strange bedfellows. We can poke fun at those
> guys as long we're safe at home but you pretty much have to mind your
> peas and ques over there. Those guys will put a bullet in your head
> and then charge you for it.

In Saddam's Iraq they charged families for the bullet that killed one of
their own. In China in 1989 they shot the parents who went looking for
their kids.


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Mark Thorson wrote:
> "gloria.p" wrote:
> >
> > Wait, does this mean the sleazy Walmart is in trouble for selling
> > bad Chinese products TO THE CHINESE? In CHINA? Who'd have thunk
> > it?
>
> I wouldn't count on those being "Chinese products".
> In the case of the pork scandal, the article said it was
> about non-organic pork being sold as organic, but it
> didn't say what the real issue was. It might have
> something to do with ractopamine, a drug banned in China
> used in nearly all non-organic U.S. pork production.

Interesting. So it's a fat reducer. The Chinese must want their pork to
have flavor.


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On 11/2/2011 5:22 AM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> Globalization makes for strange bedfellows. We can poke fun at those
>> guys as long we're safe at home but you pretty much have to mind your
>> peas and ques over there. Those guys will put a bullet in your head
>> and then charge you for it.
>
> In Saddam's Iraq they charged families for the bullet that killed one of
> their own. In China in 1989 they shot the parents who went looking for
> their kids.
>
>

China does have their own way of doing things, don't they?

On 11/2/2011 12:09 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> "gloria.p" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wait, does this mean the sleazy Walmart is in trouble for selling
>>>> bad Chinese products TO THE CHINESE? In CHINA? Who'd have thunk
>>>> it?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't count on those being "Chinese products".
>>> In the case of the pork scandal, the article said it was
>>> about non-organic pork being sold as organic, but it
>>> didn't say what the real issue was. It might have
>>> something to do with ractopamine, a drug banned in China
>>> used in nearly all non-organic U.S. pork production.
>>
>> Interesting. So it's a fat reducer. The Chinese must want their pork to
>> have flavor.
>
> Not really. The Chinese like their pork fattier than
> Americans, but if they want to take advantage of cheap
> U.S. pork, it's hard to find it without ractopamine.
> It is a special-order product only available from pork
> processors that control their own pig farms, like
> Smithfield.

The Chinese love fatty meat. I made some sweet sour pork yesterday using
the soft cartilage pork rib meat. My wife and kids think it's kinda
gross but a Chinese guy would just dig it. In Peking duck, the real dish
is the fatty skin, the meat is served as an afterthought. The old
Chinese guys would always go for the fat.

Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > "gloria.p" wrote:
> > >
> > > Wait, does this mean the sleazy Walmart is in trouble for selling
> > > bad Chinese products TO THE CHINESE? In CHINA? Who'd have thunk
> > > it?
> >
> > I wouldn't count on those being "Chinese products".
> > In the case of the pork scandal, the article said it was
> > about non-organic pork being sold as organic, but it
> > didn't say what the real issue was. It might have
> > something to do with ractopamine, a drug banned in China
> > used in nearly all non-organic U.S. pork production.
>
> Interesting. So it's a fat reducer. The Chinese must want their pork to
> have flavor.

Not really. The Chinese like their pork fattier than
Americans, but if they want to take advantage of cheap
U.S. pork, it's hard to find it without ractopamine.
It is a special-order product only available from pork
processors that control their own pig farms, like
Smithfield.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/2/2011 12:09 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
>> Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>> "gloria.p" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait, does this mean the sleazy Walmart is in trouble for selling
>>>>> bad Chinese products TO THE CHINESE? In CHINA? Who'd have thunk
>>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't count on those being "Chinese products".
>>>> In the case of the pork scandal, the article said it was
>>>> about non-organic pork being sold as organic, but it
>>>> didn't say what the real issue was. It might have
>>>> something to do with ractopamine, a drug banned in China
>>>> used in nearly all non-organic U.S. pork production.
>>>
>>> Interesting. So it's a fat reducer. The Chinese must want their pork
>>> to
>>> have flavor.
>>
>> Not really. The Chinese like their pork fattier than
>> Americans, but if they want to take advantage of cheap
>> U.S. pork, it's hard to find it without ractopamine.
>> It is a special-order product only available from pork
>> processors that control their own pig farms, like
>> Smithfield.
>
> The Chinese love fatty meat. I made some sweet sour pork yesterday using
> the soft cartilage pork rib meat. My wife and kids think it's kinda gross
> but a Chinese guy would just dig it. In Peking duck, the real dish is the
> fatty skin, the meat is served as an afterthought. The old Chinese guys
> would always go for the fat.

Japanese too. When they eat meat they love it as fatty as possible but not
beef fat so much. Usually pork is their favorite. Ramen fans often ask for
chunks of grilled pork fat with their soup.

Paul

On 11/2/2011 8:34 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > wrote in message
>>
>> The Chinese love fatty meat. I made some sweet sour pork yesterday using
>> the soft cartilage pork rib meat. My wife and kids think it's kinda gross
>> but a Chinese guy would just dig it. In Peking duck, the real dish is the
>> fatty skin, the meat is served as an afterthought. The old Chinese guys
>> would always go for the fat.
>
> Japanese too. When they eat meat they love it as fatty as possible but not
> beef fat so much. Usually pork is their favorite. Ramen fans often ask for
> chunks of grilled pork fat with their soup.
>
> Paul
>
>

I made some Okinawan shoyu pork using the traditional pork belly. It was
tasty but I'm not going to use it again. Too fatty. It's gonna be pork
butt from now on. I prepare it the Okinawan way - boil the pork for 20
or so minutes, then drain and rinse the pork and reboil the meat to
finish. Pouring the pork stock down the drain would probably make a
French guy cry. (-: