"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> apologies, i don't know where i got he was a marine, but coast guard i
> think is pretty particular? Lee

I don't claim to be an expert on the Marines although there were some where
we lived on Cape Cod. I do think they have more rigorous training than some
other branches of the military. And I believe the Coast Guard has the
shortest boot camp.

it can work fine, but since we are discussing what your husband wants, i
still think roasting in the oven is the best plan, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> no its not, stewing has lots more liquid, and braising ends in a tender
>> but not dried out product, Lee
>
> Okay but it doesn't sound like a method you'd want to use for turkey. Not
> to me anyway.
>

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Storrmmee wrote:
>>
>> he might be a spoiled asshole, that doesn't matter to me, i don't have to
>> cook for him... but if you are going to glean information from julie
>> posting, look at the other things she has said, he is a military officer
>> and
>> a marine iirc, neither allow much for overweight, Lee
>
> (responding to several posts here)
>
> I believe the Marine guideline for body fat is 15-18% for men and it's a
> bit
> higher for women. No Marine is overweight within those guidelines.
>
> I also prefer to eat turkey legs with my hands. A knife and fork would be
> a
> pain in the ass to use for those. That said, I've only eaten them at home
> so "proper table manners" don't count here.
>
> As for cooking them, I would roast in oven as Lee suggested or....I like
> to
> use those Reynolds Oven bags as I feel that they will retain more
> moisture.
> I cut only one small slit in the bag vs the recommended several slits. In
> my
> mind, this is giving you a combined roasting/steaming method of cooking.
>
> As for reheating them, the microwave does it quickly with less moisture
> loss.
>
> Finally, I suspect this is the one time of year when it might be hard to
> find separate turkey parts available. Maybe too late but try asking your
> store if they can special order just legs for you. My grocery store will
> do
> this.

Okay, thanks! I did try to get an answer out of my mom about whether or not
she was going dinner this year. I never know with her. She just kept
putting me off and acting like it was some huge decision that she just
couldn't make. And then she didn't tell me finally until last night, of
course *after* I had gone to the store.

"The_reluctant_Vegan" > wrote in message
...
> In my kitchen, whole cuts of meat are braised, if a stew or a casserole
> the meat is diced. It is the way I was raised to regard the two terms.
> Also with some braised dishes, it is a longer, slower cooking process.

I guess I don't do whole cuts of meat very often. I used to do pot roast
with a little broth or tomato sauce and vegetables.

Steak is fried and so are chicken breasts. I rarely ever use the oven.
Mainly only when I want a little extra heat in the house.

that stovetop stuff sucks, way too much salt... my mom made
dressing/stuffing at christmas, thanksgiving, easter and new years... she
also made a really cool round steak dish where you get a huge honking
roundsteak, smack it around with a mallot, make up dressing and spread over
meat, then roll meat up like a jelly roll and bake in a slow oven until the
meat is tender, then slice and put on plate making gravy from the drippings
and putting that over, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> that makes sense but i love stuffing, even better sometimes than the
>> potatoes, lol, Lee
>
> We didn't grow up eating stuffing, perhaps because my mom doesn't like it.
> We only ever had potatoes. So stuffing is not a part of my Thanksgiving.
> My mom started buying that Stove Top stuff when it came out. My brother
> loved it. I didn't. I've never been a big bread eater. For the most
> part I can live without it. But once in a while a sandwich is portable
> and convenient.
>

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
> > that makes sense but i love stuffing, even better sometimes than the
> > potatoes, lol, Lee
>
> We didn't grow up eating stuffing, perhaps because my mom doesn't like it.
> We only ever had potatoes. So stuffing is not a part of my Thanksgiving.
> My mom started buying that Stove Top stuff when it came out. My brother
> loved it. I didn't. I've never been a big bread eater. For the most part
> I can live without it. But once in a while a sandwich is portable and
> convenient.

I used to make my stuffing from scratch but I discovered that the Stove Top
(turkey) is just as good if you enhance it.

For my Thanksgiving turkey, I'll buy 3 boxes. First, I mince and fry all
the giblets (liver too) in a pan with a little butter along with chopped
onion, celery, and some extra sage.

I add that to the Stovetop, then use turkey broth (from the neck) rather
than plain water.

Finally, I do put it in the turkey to cook. Stuffing cooked in the turkey
always tastes better to me.

Gary

braising is closer to pot roast, and i have learned to do that on the stove
on a low burner since being here at the hotel, only drawback is that you
can't take the lid off to cruncy up the top of the meat at the end, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "The_reluctant_Vegan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In my kitchen, whole cuts of meat are braised, if a stew or a casserole
>> the meat is diced. It is the way I was raised to regard the two terms.
>> Also with some braised dishes, it is a longer, slower cooking process.
>
> I guess I don't do whole cuts of meat very often. I used to do pot roast
> with a little broth or tomato sauce and vegetables.
>
> Steak is fried and so are chicken breasts. I rarely ever use the oven.
> Mainly only when I want a little extra heat in the house.
>

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I rarely ever use the oven.
> Mainly only when I want a little extra heat in the house.

LOL! I do that too. Nothing better than to cook something nice (and long)
on a cold winter weekend day. The house smells nice and the oven gives it
that extra "cozy" warmth. Not to mention a good meal later on too. :-D

"Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio

> I didn't ask for opinions. I was very specific. Asked for a recipe for
> the legs on, stove top or oven. And what did she tell me? To do them in
> the crock-pot (which I said I specifically didn't want to do) and with
> stuffing!

Nice people don't refute, refuse nor bitch about responses they don't want
or like. They ask questions if they need to, sometimes offer thanks for
special advice. You really are the only one I see snap back with criticism
or I don't like it to every single offering that doesn't suit you. I always
tell myself I am never going to respond to you and then you want something
so simple I answer. I shan't again.
Since you are so lame in the kitchen it stands to reason people might offer
you more than you want or need. You got a lot of diet advice this time!

On Nov 16, 11:38*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 16, 7:57 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > sf wrote:
> > > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:47:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > > wrote:
>
> > >> My husband can eat a big steak. 2 pound? I don't know. There is a
> > >> restaurant called Cattleman's in CA where he likes to go. He likes
> > >> to get the big steak there. Whatever it is. But he eats just that
> > >> and not the sides. And he doesn't do it often. He is a big meat
> > >> eater and doesn't really like much in the way of other foods.
>
> > > The big one is 2 pounds.
> > >http://www.beststeakinthewest.com/PD...DinnerMenu.pdf
> > > I order the Pete's Special. We love Cattlemen's, but don't eat there
> > > any more than once or twice a year. I'm glad there isn't one any
> > > closer, so I can look forward to it. The aura of In-n-Out was killed
> > > for me when one opened just a 10 minute drive away.
>
> > I refused to eat there when we lived there. I did look at the menu. There
> > was nothing really that my daughter or I would eat. She was 4 and under
> > when we lived there. She didn't eat a lot at that point in time and she
> > mainly ate vegetables, just like me.
>
> > I refused to eat at In and Out as well. It looked to me (although I've
> > since been told this was wrong) that they had only "big" food. I dislike
> > eating at places that only serve large portions. Or only big meaty
> > options.
>
> Again, you're an idiot!
>
> Well, no. *I'm not. *I also don't like burgers or steak. *When we lived
> there I was a vegetarian.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So why do you think it was necessary to share your opinion of a
STEAKHOUSE, pinhead?

On Nov 16, 11:40*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 16, 8:03 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > ImStillMags wrote:
> > > On Nov 16, 1:58 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > > Julie. Get a nice large roasting pan and put about 1 inch of chicken
> > > stock and a bit of white wine in the bottom of the pan.
> > > If you like you could add some chopped onion, carrot and celery to the
> > > pan as well.
> > > Rub the legs with a mixture of salt, pepper, sage and thyme. Lay them
> > > in the pan so they alternate top to bottom to fit nicely.
> > > Cover the pan with foil. Roast at 325 for an hour. Uncover the pan
> > > and roast, basting the legs with the pan juices, till they
> > > are nice and golden brown but be careful not to overcook them and dry
> > > them out. Depending on how big they are, it will
> > > make a difference in how quickly they cook. The best way to know if
> > > they are done is to use a meat thermometer inthe
> > > thickest part of the meat. Take them out when they hit about 150,
> > > put the foil back over the pan and let them rest.
>
> > > Take the drippings, strain if you like, and reduce them down for
> > > gravy or use for a soup stock.
>
> > Thanks! I just bought a meat thermometer for the first time. Now if I
> > could just find the legs! Sadly I have only seen wings and thighs. I am
> > hoping Winco might have them. They have a huge meat department and a lot
> > of
> > lesser cuts of meat. Not that I think the legs are a lesser cut. Or maybe
> > they are. I really don't know.
>
> Winco is a pretty low end store, so you should go there- I'm sure
> their meat is great!
>
> I don't think they're a low end store. *They sell name brands. *Just for a
> lot cheaper. *I also like most of their Hy Top things. *Just not the refried
> beans. *Flavor was fine but they were runny. *I don't normally buy meat
> there because I prefer organic and I don't think they have that. *They go
> have some gluten free fish that my daughter likes.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, I too prefer my fish gluten-free. LOL.

On Nov 17, 12:15*am, sf > wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:50:24 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>
> > wrote:
> > I must say that turning up the nose at so many suggestions makes me wonder
> > why anyone bothers. *Why bother to ask for recommendations when nothing is
> > suitable? *Why bother giving suggestions just to get a look up the OP's
> > nostrils?
>
> It fits an established pattern and we keep falling for it.
>
> --
> All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

Yet you insist I'M a sock because I make fun of her.

On Nov 17, 4:56*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> not at all, its the amount of meat in ratio to the meat, there is just
> enough liquid in braising to cook/flavor the meat, when i do it, i always
> put vegetables on the bottom so meat is not actually in the liquid, Lee"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> >news
> >> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:04:35 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:58:42 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >>> > > wrote:
>
> >>> >> sf wrote:
> >>> >> > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:58:58 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >>> >> > > wrote:
>
> >>> >> >> Pico Rico wrote:
> >>> >> >>> "sf" > wrote in message
> >>> >> ...
> >>> >> >>>> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:52:18 -0800, "Pico Rico"
> >>> >> >>>> > wrote:
>
> >>> >> >>>>> don't roast them, braise them.
>
> >>> >> >>>> What would you braise them with/in? *TIA
>
> >>> >> >>> I would start with veal stock and red wine. *You could use
> >>> >> >>> chicken
> >>> >> >>> stock. Then the usual cast of characters to choose from: *onion,
> >>> >> >>> celery, carrot, garlic, thyme, beer, tomato product, etc.
>
> >>> >> >> How do I braise? *I don't cook a lot of meat.
>
> >>> >> > Easily Googled, Julie *http://www.reluctantgourmet.com/braising.htm
> >>> >> > You can probably also find a YouTube how-to to guide you through..
>
> >>> >> Sheldon has said it means stewed. *Not interested.
>
> >>> > Look it up. *Stewed and braised are two different things. *If you
> >>> > object to cooking something when a liquid is involved, then it's not
> >>> > for you but you're missing out on something delicious if you reject it
> >>> > untried.
>
> >>> Replying twice, I know. *They are the same thing. *I did look it up.
>
> >>>http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_th...n_stewing_and_....
>
> >>> Same damned thing.
> >>> <snip>
>
> >> The difference between them is the amount of liquid.
>
> > No. *It's the size of the meat.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OH JESUS GOD SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't have to comment on
every ****ing post. And there is no excuse for top positing. Yes, I
know you're "blind". Learn to use your software correctly.

i guess my question for you is if you find julie and her postings so awful
why do you read and count how many she does? why not quietly use the kf and
move on? i simply do not understand being able to be so upset by someone
posting on a news group that you feel compelled to berate them, Lee
"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
. com...
> On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
>>>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
>>>>> been addressed many times.
>>>>
>>>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. Only
>>>> when my husband is home. Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and
>>>> we like our vegetables raw.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
>>> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
>>> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your family.
>>
>> Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>>
>
>
> Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment of
> being the centre of the discussion. You take every opportunity to tell us
> about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
> dysfunction. Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions, but,
> as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS... come back
> with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't eat it, can't
> eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it, can't eat it.
> You husband..... the guy who doesn't even live there, but never lets you
> know when he is coming home for dinner and often stops and eats something
> on the way home.
>
> You don't eat meat. You eat mostly raw vegetables, and you spend almost
> all day in posting messages in a cooking news group...... 47 of them
> yesterday, and not even a break from it when you continued with another 27
> since midnight (my time). You rarely take a break of more than two hours
> from posting here.
>
> You consistently demonstrate a pretty desperate need for attention.
>
>

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > that makes sense but i love stuffing, even better sometimes than the
>> > potatoes, lol, Lee
>>
>> We didn't grow up eating stuffing, perhaps because my mom doesn't like
>> it.
>> We only ever had potatoes. So stuffing is not a part of my Thanksgiving.
>> My mom started buying that Stove Top stuff when it came out. My brother
>> loved it. I didn't. I've never been a big bread eater. For the most
>> part
>> I can live without it. But once in a while a sandwich is portable and
>> convenient.
>
> I used to make my stuffing from scratch but I discovered that the Stove
> Top
> (turkey) is just as good if you enhance it.
>
> For my Thanksgiving turkey, I'll buy 3 boxes. First, I mince and fry all
> the giblets (liver too) in a pan with a little butter along with chopped
> onion, celery, and some extra sage.
>
> I add that to the Stovetop, then use turkey broth (from the neck) rather
> than plain water.
>
> Finally, I do put it in the turkey to cook. Stuffing cooked in the turkey
> always tastes better to me.

I used to make it and add stuff. But since daughter has a wheat allergy we
can't use it. And the only gluten free stuffing I've ever seen has egg in
it. Which I can't have. When I made gluten free stuffing from scratch, my
daughter didn't like it all that much.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
. com...
> On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
>>>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
>>>>> been addressed many times.
>>>>
>>>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. Only
>>>> when my husband is home. Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and
>>>> we like our vegetables raw.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
>>> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
>>> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your family.
>>
>> Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>>
>
>
> Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment of
> being the centre of the discussion. You take every opportunity to tell us
> about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
> dysfunction. Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions, but,
> as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS... come back
> with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't eat it, can't
> eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it, can't eat it.
> You husband..... the guy who doesn't even live there, but never lets you
> know when he is coming home for dinner and often stops and eats something
> on the way home.
>
> You don't eat meat. You eat mostly raw vegetables, and you spend almost
> all day in posting messages in a cooking news group...... 47 of them
> yesterday, and not even a break from it when you continued with another 27
> since midnight (my time). You rarely take a break of more than two hours
> from posting here.
>
> You consistently demonstrate a pretty desperate need for attention.

What a bunch of nonsense! I rarely post in here during the day. This time
of the morning being the exception. Because I am up for a few minutes now.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > that makes sense but i love stuffing, even better sometimes than the
>>> > potatoes, lol, Lee
>>>
>>> We didn't grow up eating stuffing, perhaps because my mom doesn't like
>>> it.
>>> We only ever had potatoes. So stuffing is not a part of my
>>> Thanksgiving.
>>> My mom started buying that Stove Top stuff when it came out. My brother
>>> loved it. I didn't. I've never been a big bread eater. For the most
>>> part
>>> I can live without it. But once in a while a sandwich is portable and
>>> convenient.
>>
>> I used to make my stuffing from scratch but I discovered that the Stove
>> Top
>> (turkey) is just as good if you enhance it.
>>
>> For my Thanksgiving turkey, I'll buy 3 boxes. First, I mince and fry all
>> the giblets (liver too) in a pan with a little butter along with chopped
>> onion, celery, and some extra sage.
>>
>> I add that to the Stovetop, then use turkey broth (from the neck) rather
>> than plain water.
>>
>> Finally, I do put it in the turkey to cook. Stuffing cooked in the
>> turkey
>> always tastes better to me.
>
> I used to make it and add stuff. But since daughter has a wheat allergy
> we can't use it. And the only gluten free stuffing I've ever seen has egg
> in it. Which I can't have. When I made gluten free stuffing from
> scratch, my daughter didn't like it all that much.


I never understood why one person's allergy turns into everybody's
affliction. Why not cook something good for everyone else, and cook her a
turkey leg free of her allergens?

On Nov 17, 1:28*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> just because she has an opinion you don't share doesn't make her an idiot,
> Lee"merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 16, 7:57 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > sf wrote:
> > > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:47:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > > wrote:
>
> > >> My husband can eat a big steak. 2 pound? I don't know. There is a
> > >> restaurant called Cattleman's in CA where he likes to go. He likes
> > >> to get the big steak there. Whatever it is. But he eats just that
> > >> and not the sides. And he doesn't do it often. He is a big meat
> > >> eater and doesn't really like much in the way of other foods.
>
> > > The big one is 2 pounds.
> > >http://www.beststeakinthewest.com/PD...DinnerMenu.pdf
> > > I order the Pete's Special. We love Cattlemen's, but don't eat there
> > > any more than once or twice a year. I'm glad there isn't one any
> > > closer, so I can look forward to it. The aura of In-n-Out was killed
> > > for me when one opened just a 10 minute drive away.
>
> > I refused to eat there when we lived there. I did look at the menu. There
> > was nothing really that my daughter or I would eat. She was 4 and under
> > when we lived there. She didn't eat a lot at that point in time and she
> > mainly ate vegetables, just like me.
>
> > I refused to eat at In and Out as well. It looked to me (although I've
> > since been told this was wrong) that they had only "big" food. I dislike
> > eating at places that only serve large portions. Or only big meaty
> > options.
>
> Again, you're an idiot!

Just because we don't share the same views is not why I think she's an
idiot- she shows it over & over again.

On Nov 17, 1:43*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> what evidence do you have to support they are a low end store, Lee"merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 16, 8:03 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > ImStillMags wrote:
> > > On Nov 16, 1:58 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > > Julie. Get a nice large roasting pan and put about 1 inch of chicken
> > > stock and a bit of white wine in the bottom of the pan.
> > > If you like you could add some chopped onion, carrot and celery to the
> > > pan as well.
> > > Rub the legs with a mixture of salt, pepper, sage and thyme. Lay them
> > > in the pan so they alternate top to bottom to fit nicely.
> > > Cover the pan with foil. Roast at 325 for an hour. Uncover the pan
> > > and roast, basting the legs with the pan juices, till they
> > > are nice and golden brown but be careful not to overcook them and dry
> > > them out. Depending on how big they are, it will
> > > make a difference in how quickly they cook. The best way to know if
> > > they are done is to use a meat thermometer inthe
> > > thickest part of the meat. Take them out when they hit about 150,
> > > put the foil back over the pan and let them rest.
>
> > > Take the drippings, strain if you like, and reduce them down for
> > > gravy or use for a soup stock.
>
> > Thanks! I just bought a meat thermometer for the first time. Now if I
> > could just find the legs! Sadly I have only seen wings and thighs. I am
> > hoping Winco might have them. They have a huge meat department and a lot
> > of
> > lesser cuts of meat. Not that I think the legs are a lesser cut. Or maybe
> > they are. I really don't know.
>
> Winco is a pretty low end store, so you should go there- I'm sure
> their meat is great!

Because I've been in one before- how about you? I find it strange that
you are defending her so much.

On Nov 17, 6:24*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
> >>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
> >>>> been addressed many times.
>
> >>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. *Only
> >>> when my husband is home. *Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and
> >>> we like our vegetables raw.
>
> >> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
> >> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
> >> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your family.
>
> > Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>
> Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment of
> being the centre of the discussion. *You take every opportunity to tell
> us about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
> dysfunction. *Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions,
> but, as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS...
> come back with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't eat
> it, can't eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it,
> can't eat it. You husband..... the guy who doesn't even live there, but
> never lets you know when he is coming home for dinner and often stops
> and eats something on the way home.
>
> You don't eat meat. You eat mostly raw vegetables, and you spend almost
> all day in posting messages in a cooking news group...... 47 of them
> yesterday, and not even a break from it when you continued with another
> 27 since midnight (my time). You rarely take a break of more than two
> hours from posting here.
>
> You consistently demonstrate a pretty desperate need for attention.

Well said Dave- my exact thoughts!

On Nov 17, 7:20*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> i guess my question for you is if you find julie and her postings so awful
> why do you read and count how many she does? *why not quietly use the kf and
> move on? i simply do not understand being able to be so upset by someone
> posting on a news group that you feel compelled to berate them, Lee"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>
> . com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
> >>>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
> >>>>> been addressed many times.
>
> >>>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. *Only
> >>>> when my husband is home. *Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and
> >>>> we like our vegetables raw.
>
> >>> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
> >>> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
> >>> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your family..
>
> >> Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>
> > Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment of
> > being the centre of the discussion. *You take every opportunity to tell us
> > about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
> > dysfunction. *Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions, but,
> > as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS... come back
> > with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't eat it, can't
> > eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it, can't eat it.

then i will ask you the same question i asked another poster, if you find
her so offensive why not block her and ignore it? why continue to respond
if her answers will only upset you, your responses to posters you do
like/respect are so good you shouldn't waste your time telling someone they
are an idiot, Lee

"merryb" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 17, 1:28 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> just because she has an opinion you don't share doesn't make her an idiot,
> Lee"merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 16, 7:57 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > sf wrote:
> > > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:47:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > > wrote:
>
> > >> My husband can eat a big steak. 2 pound? I don't know. There is a
> > >> restaurant called Cattleman's in CA where he likes to go. He likes
> > >> to get the big steak there. Whatever it is. But he eats just that
> > >> and not the sides. And he doesn't do it often. He is a big meat
> > >> eater and doesn't really like much in the way of other foods.
>
> > > The big one is 2 pounds.
> > >http://www.beststeakinthewest.com/PD...DinnerMenu.pdf
> > > I order the Pete's Special. We love Cattlemen's, but don't eat there
> > > any more than once or twice a year. I'm glad there isn't one any
> > > closer, so I can look forward to it. The aura of In-n-Out was killed
> > > for me when one opened just a 10 minute drive away.
>
> > I refused to eat there when we lived there. I did look at the menu.
> > There
> > was nothing really that my daughter or I would eat. She was 4 and under
> > when we lived there. She didn't eat a lot at that point in time and she
> > mainly ate vegetables, just like me.
>
> > I refused to eat at In and Out as well. It looked to me (although I've
> > since been told this was wrong) that they had only "big" food. I dislike
> > eating at places that only serve large portions. Or only big meaty
> > options.
>
> Again, you're an idiot!

Just because we don't share the same views is not why I think she's an
idiot- she shows it over & over again.

"merryb" > wrote in message
...
> On Nov 17, 6:24 am, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> >>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
>> >>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
>> >>>> been addressed many times.
>>
>> >>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. Only
>> >>> when my husband is home. Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and
>> >>> we like our vegetables raw.
>>
>> >> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
>> >> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
>> >> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your family.
>>
>> > Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>>
>> Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment of
>> being the centre of the discussion. You take every opportunity to tell
>> us about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
>> dysfunction. Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions,
>> but, as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS...
>> come back with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't eat
>> it, can't eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it,
>> can't eat it. You husband..... the guy who doesn't even live there, but
>> never lets you know when he is coming home for dinner and often stops
>> and eats something on the way home.
>>
>> You don't eat meat. You eat mostly raw vegetables, and you spend almost
>> all day in posting messages in a cooking news group...... 47 of them
>> yesterday, and not even a break from it when you continued with another
>> 27 since midnight (my time). You rarely take a break of more than two
>> hours from posting here.
>>
>> You consistently demonstrate a pretty desperate need for attention.
>
> Well said Dave- my exact thoughts!

She might be lonely with husband away and child at school. Compassion is a
scarce commodity these days ...



--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

i just wouldn't think being upset by someone as a form of entertainment, Lee
"merryb" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 17, 7:20 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> i guess my question for you is if you find julie and her postings so awful
> why do you read and count how many she does? why not quietly use the kf
> and
> move on? i simply do not understand being able to be so upset by someone
> posting on a news group that you feel compelled to berate them, Lee"Dave
> Smith" > wrote in message
>
> . com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
> >>>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
> >>>>> been addressed many times.
>
> >>>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. Only
> >>>> when my husband is home. Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and
> >>>> we like our vegetables raw.
>
> >>> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
> >>> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
> >>> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your family.
>
> >> Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>
> > Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment of
> > being the centre of the discussion. You take every opportunity to tell
> > us
> > about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
> > dysfunction. Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions, but,
> > as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS... come
> > back
> > with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't eat it, can't
> > eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it, can't eat
> > it.
> > You husband..... the guy who doesn't even live there, but never lets you
> > know when he is coming home for dinner and often stops and eats
> > something
> > on the way home.
>
> > You don't eat meat. You eat mostly raw vegetables, and you spend almost
> > all day in posting messages in a cooking news group...... 47 of them
> > yesterday, and not even a break from it when you continued with another
> > 27
> > since midnight (my time). You rarely take a break of more than two hours
> > from posting here.
>
> > You consistently demonstrate a pretty desperate need for attention.

It's because she's so entertaining- it's her fault for posting in the
first place. She's an idiot!

don't find it strange, no matter what i think of her postings, and no matter
how much i disagree with her, she has the right to post whatever she wants,
and those who attack her have the right to do so, on the other hand i am
fascinated by people who berate her contunally and then get upset that she
keeps posting, and that sounds weird i know but anytime anyone upsets me as
bad as shee seems to upset dave, and you to some extent, i wouldn't bother.

as to the store, that is why i asked you about it, my sister was in one a
few years back and liked it, then when julie first posted about it, i looked
at their website, it seems a discount store but not cheap or crappy from the
site or what my sister said, my sister liked how clean it was, and that is
always an attraction to me. As i said in another post, until recently there
were three aldis in springfield IL, if you went from store to store you
wouldn't beleive they were owned by the same company.

Lee
"merryb" > wrote in message
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On Nov 17, 1:43 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> what evidence do you have to support they are a low end store, Lee"merryb"
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 16, 8:03 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > ImStillMags wrote:
> > > On Nov 16, 1:58 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > > Julie. Get a nice large roasting pan and put about 1 inch of chicken
> > > stock and a bit of white wine in the bottom of the pan.
> > > If you like you could add some chopped onion, carrot and celery to the
> > > pan as well.
> > > Rub the legs with a mixture of salt, pepper, sage and thyme. Lay them
> > > in the pan so they alternate top to bottom to fit nicely.
> > > Cover the pan with foil. Roast at 325 for an hour. Uncover the pan
> > > and roast, basting the legs with the pan juices, till they
> > > are nice and golden brown but be careful not to overcook them and dry
> > > them out. Depending on how big they are, it will
> > > make a difference in how quickly they cook. The best way to know if
> > > they are done is to use a meat thermometer inthe
> > > thickest part of the meat. Take them out when they hit about 150,
> > > put the foil back over the pan and let them rest.
>
> > > Take the drippings, strain if you like, and reduce them down for
> > > gravy or use for a soup stock.
>
> > Thanks! I just bought a meat thermometer for the first time. Now if I
> > could just find the legs! Sadly I have only seen wings and thighs. I am
> > hoping Winco might have them. They have a huge meat department and a lot
> > of
> > lesser cuts of meat. Not that I think the legs are a lesser cut. Or
> > maybe
> > they are. I really don't know.
>
> Winco is a pretty low end store, so you should go there- I'm sure
> their meat is great!

Because I've been in one before- how about you? I find it strange that
you are defending her so much.

"merryb" > wrote in message
...
> On Nov 17, 7:20 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>> i guess my question for you is if you find julie and her postings so
>> awful
>> why do you read and count how many she does? why not quietly use the kf
>> and
>> move on? i simply do not understand being able to be so upset by someone
>> posting on a news group that you feel compelled to berate them, Lee"Dave
>> Smith" > wrote in message
>>
>> . com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
>> >>>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
>> >>>>> been addressed many times.
>>
>> >>>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. Only
>> >>>> when my husband is home. Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and
>> >>>> we like our vegetables raw.
>>
>> >>> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
>> >>> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
>> >>> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your
>> >>> family.
>>
>> >> Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>>
>> > Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment
>> > of
>> > being the centre of the discussion. You take every opportunity to tell
>> > us
>> > about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
>> > dysfunction. Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions,
>> > but,
>> > as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS... come
>> > back
>> > with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't eat it, can't
>> > eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it, can't eat
>> > it.
>> > You husband..... the guy who doesn't even live there, but never lets
>> > you
>> > know when he is coming home for dinner and often stops and eats
>> > something
>> > on the way home.
>>
>> > You don't eat meat. You eat mostly raw vegetables, and you spend almost
>> > all day in posting messages in a cooking news group...... 47 of them
>> > yesterday, and not even a break from it when you continued with another
>> > 27
>> > since midnight (my time). You rarely take a break of more than two
>> > hours
>> > from posting here.
>>
>> > You consistently demonstrate a pretty desperate need for attention.
>
> It's because she's so entertaining- it's her fault for posting in the
> first place. She's an idiot!

There are some other idiots here too ...


--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> then i will ask you the same question i asked another poster, if you find
> her so offensive why not block her and ignore it? why continue to respond
> if her answers will only upset you, your responses to posters you do
> like/respect are so good you shouldn't waste your time telling someone
> they are an idiot, Lee

Maybe constantly putting someone down makes them feel big and important ...
sad


>
> "merryb" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Nov 17, 1:28 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>> just because she has an opinion you don't share doesn't make her an
>> idiot,
>> Lee"merryb" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> On Nov 16, 7:57 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > sf wrote:
>> > > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:47:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > > wrote:
>>
>> > >> My husband can eat a big steak. 2 pound? I don't know. There is a
>> > >> restaurant called Cattleman's in CA where he likes to go. He likes
>> > >> to get the big steak there. Whatever it is. But he eats just that
>> > >> and not the sides. And he doesn't do it often. He is a big meat
>> > >> eater and doesn't really like much in the way of other foods.
>>
>> > > The big one is 2 pounds.
>> > >http://www.beststeakinthewest.com/PD...DinnerMenu.pdf
>> > > I order the Pete's Special. We love Cattlemen's, but don't eat there
>> > > any more than once or twice a year. I'm glad there isn't one any
>> > > closer, so I can look forward to it. The aura of In-n-Out was killed
>> > > for me when one opened just a 10 minute drive away.
>>
>> > I refused to eat there when we lived there. I did look at the menu.
>> > There
>> > was nothing really that my daughter or I would eat. She was 4 and under
>> > when we lived there. She didn't eat a lot at that point in time and she
>> > mainly ate vegetables, just like me.
>>
>> > I refused to eat at In and Out as well. It looked to me (although I've
>> > since been told this was wrong) that they had only "big" food. I
>> > dislike
>> > eating at places that only serve large portions. Or only big meaty
>> > options.
>>
>> Again, you're an idiot!
>
> Just because we don't share the same views is not why I think she's an
> idiot- she shows it over & over again.
>
>


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On Nov 17, 8:09*am, "Ophelia" > wrote:
> "merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 7:20 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> >> i guess my question for you is if you find julie and her postings so
> >> awful
> >> why do you read and count how many she does? *why not quietly use the kf
> >> and
> >> move on? i simply do not understand being able to be so upset by someone
> >> posting on a news group that you feel compelled to berate them, Lee"Dave
> >> Smith" > wrote in message
>
> g.com...
>
> >> > On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >> >>>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
> >> >>>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
> >> >>>>> been addressed many times.
>
> >> >>>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. *Only
> >> >>>> when my husband is home. *Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and
> >> >>>> we like our vegetables raw.
>
> >> >>> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
> >> >>> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
> >> >>> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your
> >> >>> family.
>
> >> >> Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>
> >> > Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment
> >> > of
> >> > being the centre of the discussion. *You take every opportunity to tell
> >> > us
> >> > about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
> >> > dysfunction. *Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions,
> >> > but,
> >> > as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS... come
> >> > back
> >> > with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't eat it, can't
> >> > eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it, can't eat
> >> > it.
> >> > You husband..... the guy who doesn't even live there, but never lets
> >> > you
> >> > know when he is coming home for dinner and often stops and eats
> >> > something
> >> > on the way home.
>
> >> > You don't eat meat. You eat mostly raw vegetables, and you spend almost
> >> > all day in posting messages in a cooking news group...... 47 of them
> >> > yesterday, and not even a break from it when you continued with another
> >> > 27
> >> > since midnight (my time). You rarely take a break of more than two
> >> > hours
> >> > from posting here.
>
> >> > You consistently demonstrate a pretty desperate need for attention.
>
> > It's because she's so entertaining- it's her fault for posting in the
> > first place. She's an idiot!
>
> There are some other idiots here too ...
>
> --http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

100% agree with that!

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:38:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:53:22 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 16/11/2011 4:58 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> Pico Rico wrote:
>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:52:18 -0800, "Pico Rico"
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> don't roast them, braise them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What would you braise them with/in? TIA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would start with veal stock and red wine. You could use chicken
>>>>>>> stock. Then the usual cast of characters to choose from: onion,
>>>>>>> celery, carrot, garlic, thyme, beer, tomato product, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do I braise? I don't cook a lot of meat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
>>>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
>>>>> been addressed many times.
>>>>
>>>>I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. Only when
>>>>my
>>>>husband is home. Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and we like our
>>>>vegetables raw.
>>>
>>> Don't worry about it... trust me... braised turkey legs suck. Braised
>>> means stewed, stewed turkey is disgusting. Braised chicken is far
>>> better. I'll tell yoose right now, Dave Smith has never cooked
>>> anything... he's only being his usual wise ass self and a bully.
>>
>> braised turkey legs are excellent. just don't call them osso buco.
>
>But it looks to me like they would be messy to eat and it sort of reminds me
>of when I did them in BBQ sauce and he certainly didn't like those.

Braised turkey gets terribly stringy, a disgusting texture. There's
good reason that there are no classic recipes for stewed/braised
turkey like there are for chicken and other meats. Braised turkey
drumsticks become very stringy, I've tried it, not at all pleasant
eating.

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:07:25 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:38:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
>>> >
>>> > braised turkey legs are excellent. just don't call them osso buco.
>>>
>>> But it looks to me like they would be messy to eat and it sort of reminds
>>> me
>>> of when I did them in BBQ sauce and he certainly didn't like those.
>>>
>> It sounds like you think they should be picked up with your hands to
>> eat. WRONG. They are knife and fork food.
>
>He wants to pick them up.

sf is an idiot. Hardly anyone eats poultry parts, especially turkey
legs with knife and fork... there are far too many slivery bones and
too much gristle to cut around. The only turkey sf has ever eaten
came from a Swanson's frozen dinner.

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:57:24 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:47:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> My husband can eat a big steak. 2 pound? I don't know. There is a
>>> restaurant called Cattleman's in CA where he likes to go. He likes
>>> to get the big steak there. Whatever it is. But he eats just that
>>> and not the sides. And he doesn't do it often. He is a big meat
>>> eater and doesn't really like much in the way of other foods.
>>
>> The big one is 2 pounds.
>> http://www.beststeakinthewest.com/PD...DinnerMenu.pdf
>> I order the Pete's Special. We love Cattlemen's, but don't eat there
>> any more than once or twice a year. I'm glad there isn't one any
>> closer, so I can look forward to it. The aura of In-n-Out was killed
>> for me when one opened just a 10 minute drive away.
>
>I refused to eat there when we lived there. I did look at the menu. There
>was nothing really that my daughter or I would eat. She was 4 and under
>when we lived there. She didn't eat a lot at that point in time and she
>mainly ate vegetables, just like me.
>
>I refused to eat at In and Out as well. It looked to me (although I've
>since been told this was wrong) that they had only "big" food. I dislike
>eating at places that only serve large portions. Or only big meaty options.

That Cattleman's menu says their 2 pound steak is sirloin, about the
lousiest cut of beef for steak there is... sirloin is what's used for
chopped beef steak, also good for sloppy joe meat. Their menu looks
like the Olive Garden of steak joints. I will never fathom why
anyone goes out to eat steak, it's the easiest food to cook at home. I
just can't see spending $30 on a hunk of mystery beef at a resto
that's basically a grab bag, not when I can always find much better
and better priced perusing the stupidmarket meat case... I usually
don't freeze steaks but these twins looked too good to pass up and I
had already planned something else, they'll be eaten shortly:
http://i43.tinypic.com/15yi2yt.jpg

On Nov 17, 7:57*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> then i will ask you the same question i asked another poster, if you find
> her so offensive why not block her and ignore it? *why continue to respond
> if her answers will only upset you, your responses to posters you do
> like/respect are so good you shouldn't waste your time telling someone they
> are an idiot, Lee
>
> "merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 17, 1:28 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > just because she has an opinion you don't share doesn't make her an idiot,
> > Lee"merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> > On Nov 16, 7:57 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > > sf wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:47:15 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > >> My husband can eat a big steak. 2 pound? I don't know. There is a
> > > >> restaurant called Cattleman's in CA where he likes to go. He likes
> > > >> to get the big steak there. Whatever it is. But he eats just that
> > > >> and not the sides. And he doesn't do it often. He is a big meat
> > > >> eater and doesn't really like much in the way of other foods.
>
> > > > The big one is 2 pounds.
> > > >http://www.beststeakinthewest.com/PD...DinnerMenu.pdf
> > > > I order the Pete's Special. We love Cattlemen's, but don't eat there
> > > > any more than once or twice a year. I'm glad there isn't one any
> > > > closer, so I can look forward to it. The aura of In-n-Out was killed
> > > > for me when one opened just a 10 minute drive away.
>
> > > I refused to eat there when we lived there. I did look at the menu.
> > > There
> > > was nothing really that my daughter or I would eat. She was 4 and under
> > > when we lived there. She didn't eat a lot at that point in time and she
> > > mainly ate vegetables, just like me.
>
> > > I refused to eat at In and Out as well. It looked to me (although I've
> > > since been told this was wrong) that they had only "big" food. I dislike
> > > eating at places that only serve large portions. Or only big meaty
> > > options.
>
> > Again, you're an idiot!
>
> Just because we don't share the same views is not why I think she's an
> idiot- she shows it over & over again.

I don't need to block anybody- I'm a big girl and can decide for
myself what to read or not. I'm certainly not upset, either! You can't
expect someone to post all the negativity that she does and expect no
one to comment. I have much better things to do, but I'll bet if you
counted how often she writes can't, won't, refused, dislike, hate,
etc, you'd be counting all day!

On Nov 17, 8:03*am, "Ophelia" > wrote:
> "merryb" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 6:24 am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> >> On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >> >>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
> >> >>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
> >> >>>> been addressed many times.
>
> >> >>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. *Only
> >> >>> when my husband is home. *Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and
> >> >>> we like our vegetables raw.
>
> >> >> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
> >> >> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
> >> >> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your family.
>
> >> > Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>
> >> Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment of
> >> being the centre of the discussion. *You take every opportunity to tell
> >> us about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
> >> dysfunction. *Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions,
> >> but, as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS...
> >> come back with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't eat
> >> it, can't eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it,
> >> can't eat it. You husband..... the guy who doesn't even live there, but
> >> never lets you know when he is coming home for dinner and often stops
> >> and eats something on the way home.
>
> >> You don't eat meat. You eat mostly raw vegetables, and you spend almost
> >> all day in posting messages in a cooking news group...... 47 of them
> >> yesterday, and not even a break from it when you continued with another
> >> 27 since midnight (my time). You rarely take a break of more than two
> >> hours from posting here.
>
> >> You consistently demonstrate a pretty desperate need for attention.
>
> > Well said Dave- my exact thoughts!
>
> She might be lonely with husband away and child at school. *Compassion is a
> scarce commodity these days ...
>
> --http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

You may be right, but is that an excuse?

On Nov 17, 8:08*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> don't find it strange, no matter what i think of her postings, and no matter
> how much i disagree with her, she has the right to post whatever she wants,
> and those who attack her have the right to do so, on the other hand i am
> fascinated by people who berate her contunally and then get upset that she
> keeps posting, and that sounds weird i know but anytime anyone upsets me as
> bad as shee seems to upset dave, and you to some extent, i wouldn't bother.

"merryb" > wrote in message
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> On Nov 17, 8:03 am, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>> "merryb" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
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>>
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>>
>>
>> > On Nov 17, 6:24 am, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> >> On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a
>> >> >>>> year
>> >> >>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking
>> >> >>>> has
>> >> >>>> been addressed many times.
>>
>> >> >>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. Only
>> >> >>> when my husband is home. Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> we like our vegetables raw.
>>
>> >> >> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
>> >> >> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
>> >> >> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your
>> >> >> family.
>>
>> >> > Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>>
>> >> Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment
>> >> of
>> >> being the centre of the discussion. You take every opportunity to
>> >> tell
>> >> us about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
>> >> dysfunction. Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions,
>> >> but, as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS...
>> >> come back with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't
>> >> eat
>> >> it, can't eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it,
>> >> can't eat it. You husband..... the guy who doesn't even live there,
>> >> but
>> >> never lets you know when he is coming home for dinner and often stops
>> >> and eats something on the way home.
>>
>> >> You don't eat meat. You eat mostly raw vegetables, and you spend
>> >> almost
>> >> all day in posting messages in a cooking news group...... 47 of them
>> >> yesterday, and not even a break from it when you continued with
>> >> another
>> >> 27 since midnight (my time). You rarely take a break of more than two
>> >> hours from posting here.
>>
>> >> You consistently demonstrate a pretty desperate need for attention.
>>
>> > Well said Dave- my exact thoughts!
>>
>> She might be lonely with husband away and child at school. Compassion is
>> a
>> scarce commodity these days ...
>
> You may be right, but is that an excuse?

Why does she need one. You choose what you will read, not her!



--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > that makes sense but i love stuffing, even better sometimes than the
>>>> > potatoes, lol, Lee
>>>>
>>>> We didn't grow up eating stuffing, perhaps because my mom doesn't like
>>>> it.
>>>> We only ever had potatoes. So stuffing is not a part of my
>>>> Thanksgiving.
>>>> My mom started buying that Stove Top stuff when it came out. My
>>>> brother
>>>> loved it. I didn't. I've never been a big bread eater. For the most
>>>> part
>>>> I can live without it. But once in a while a sandwich is portable and
>>>> convenient.
>>>
>>> I used to make my stuffing from scratch but I discovered that the Stove
>>> Top
>>> (turkey) is just as good if you enhance it.
>>>
>>> For my Thanksgiving turkey, I'll buy 3 boxes. First, I mince and fry
>>> all
>>> the giblets (liver too) in a pan with a little butter along with chopped
>>> onion, celery, and some extra sage.
>>>
>>> I add that to the Stovetop, then use turkey broth (from the neck) rather
>>> than plain water.
>>>
>>> Finally, I do put it in the turkey to cook. Stuffing cooked in the
>>> turkey
>>> always tastes better to me.
>>
>> I used to make it and add stuff. But since daughter has a wheat allergy
>> we can't use it. And the only gluten free stuffing I've ever seen has
>> egg in it. Which I can't have. When I made gluten free stuffing from
>> scratch, my daughter didn't like it all that much.
>
>
> I never understood why one person's allergy turns into everybody's
> affliction. Why not cook something good for everyone else, and cook her a

You don't understand because you don't have an allergy. If I am cooking
with wheat that will contaminate my pan. I don't like stuffing. My husband
doesn't like stuffing. My daughter doesn't like turkey legs. I don't like
turkey legs. My daughter doesn't like turkey legs. So why should I cook
something that won't get eaten?

"merryb" > wrote in message
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On Nov 17, 7:20 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> i guess my question for you is if you find julie and her postings so awful
> why do you read and count how many she does? why not quietly use the kf
> and
> move on? i simply do not understand being able to be so upset by someone
> posting on a news group that you feel compelled to berate them, Lee"Dave
> Smith" > wrote in message
>
> . com...
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> > On 16/11/2011 10:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>>>> You have been participating in a cooking news group for over a year
> >>>>> and you don't even know what braising is? That style of cooking has
> >>>>> been addressed many times.
>
> >>>> I don't read every post here and I don't make a lot of meat. Only
> >>>> when my husband is home. Daughter and I don't eat a lot of meat and
> >>>> we like our vegetables raw.
>
> >>> That's okay Julie. I figured that you would have an explanation/
> >>> excuse/ reason for remaining unaware of any topic that did not
> >>> directly involve advertising the dysfunction that defines your family.
>
> >> Is there any fiber of your being that could say something nice?
>
> > Sure there is Julie, but I would hate to deprive you of the enjoyment of
> > being the centre of the discussion. You take every opportunity to tell
> > us
> > about the strange quirks in your family that demonstrate their
> > dysfunction. Like many others here, I have made useful suggestions, but,
> > as several others here have pointed out, you always....ALWAYS... come
> > back
> > with an excuse for not doing it. You don't like it, don't eat it, can't
> > eat it. You your daughter doesn't like it, couldn't eat it, can't eat
> > it.
> > You husband..... the guy who doesn't even live there, but never lets you
> > know when he is coming home for dinner and often stops and eats
> > something
> > on the way home.
>
> > You don't eat meat. You eat mostly raw vegetables, and you spend almost
> > all day in posting messages in a cooking news group...... 47 of them
> > yesterday, and not even a break from it when you continued with another
> > 27
> > since midnight (my time). You rarely take a break of more than two hours
> > from posting here.
>
> > You consistently demonstrate a pretty desperate need for attention.

It's because she's so entertaining- it's her fault for posting in the
first place. She's an idiot!

I'm glad you and I don't ever cross paths in real live. Since you
supposedly live somewhere near me.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
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>i just wouldn't think being upset by someone as a form of entertainment,
>Lee

Pretty pathetic if it is.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
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> On 17/11/2011 10:20 AM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> i guess my question for you is if you find julie and her postings so
>> awful
>> why do you read and count how many she does? why not quietly use the kf
>> and
>> move on? i simply do not understand being able to be so upset by someone
>> posting on a news group that you feel compelled to berate them, Lee
>
>
> The fact is that most of the time I do ignore her, but every once in a
> while i break down and indulge her in her desperate quest for attention.
> The only reason I bothered to go through her posts and count them was to
> show how desperate she is. Don't feel to sorry for her. She loves the
> attention, and being nasty to her is more rewarding for her than being
> ignored.

That's pretty pathetic too.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>
> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > that makes sense but i love stuffing, even better sometimes than the
>>>>> > potatoes, lol, Lee
>>>>>
>>>>> We didn't grow up eating stuffing, perhaps because my mom doesn't like
>>>>> it.
>>>>> We only ever had potatoes. So stuffing is not a part of my
>>>>> Thanksgiving.
>>>>> My mom started buying that Stove Top stuff when it came out. My
>>>>> brother
>>>>> loved it. I didn't. I've never been a big bread eater. For the most
>>>>> part
>>>>> I can live without it. But once in a while a sandwich is portable and
>>>>> convenient.
>>>>
>>>> I used to make my stuffing from scratch but I discovered that the Stove
>>>> Top
>>>> (turkey) is just as good if you enhance it.
>>>>
>>>> For my Thanksgiving turkey, I'll buy 3 boxes. First, I mince and fry
>>>> all
>>>> the giblets (liver too) in a pan with a little butter along with
>>>> chopped
>>>> onion, celery, and some extra sage.
>>>>
>>>> I add that to the Stovetop, then use turkey broth (from the neck)
>>>> rather
>>>> than plain water.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I do put it in the turkey to cook. Stuffing cooked in the
>>>> turkey
>>>> always tastes better to me.
>>>
>>> I used to make it and add stuff. But since daughter has a wheat allergy
>>> we can't use it. And the only gluten free stuffing I've ever seen has
>>> egg in it. Which I can't have. When I made gluten free stuffing from
>>> scratch, my daughter didn't like it all that much.
>>
>>
>> I never understood why one person's allergy turns into everybody's
>> affliction. Why not cook something good for everyone else, and cook her
>> a
>
> You don't understand because you don't have an allergy. If I am cooking
> with wheat that will contaminate my pan. I don't like stuffing. My
> husband doesn't like stuffing. My daughter doesn't like turkey legs. I
> don't like turkey legs. My daughter doesn't like turkey legs. So why
> should I cook something that won't get eaten?

Are you telling me you have no flour at all in the house, ever?

Are you telling me that if you put flour into a pan that pan is forever
contaminated with flour?

Are you telling me that you have but a single pan?

Are you telling me that you could not see that turkey legs was given as an
example?

Are you telling me we are supposed to take you seriously any more?