> " RJ "
>
>On 30 Oct 2004 13:21:13 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:
>
>>>But isn't there a disconnect when a group of people
>>>donate items that cost them $10 and the organization
>>>prices them at $2.50?
>>>
>>>gloria p
>>
>
>
>Cost to PTA $0.00
>Sell Price $2.50
>
>Profit $2.50
>
>Whats the problem ?
><rj>

I think Gloria was also concerned with the cost to the baker to bake the cake
($10), which is why I suggested the baker buy back their own cake = no loss...
the baker gets their cake and eats it too. Of course only a pinhead would
spend $10 to bake a cake they know in advance will sell for $2.50... imagine
such a schmuck having their own restaurant.... porterhose steak dinners: $2.50
Duh!


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Franfogel wrote:

> In all the years I've been on this planet I have never heard
> of anyone getting sick from something they
> bought at a school bake sale.

It could easily happen. I got a case of food poisoning from
teriyaki meat sold on skewers at some sort of Asian cultural
festival. Granted that baked items are less likely to be
dangerous than meat, but lots of seemingly intelligent
so-called "adults" have surprisingly little understanding
of food safety. They'll eat stuff that's been out of refrigeration
for hours, put fresh herbs and garlic under oil, etc.

If they're going to invite Darwinian selection, I'd prefer
they did it with their own genes.

In California it is illegal to sell stuff made in a residential
kitchen. I'd have no problem with the state shutting down
any bake sale that violated that law.

> Am I off the beam here? What do you think?
>
> Fran

Wow. I haven't heard the term "off the beam" in decades,
and even then it was in a rerun of a TV show that was itself
really old. That's a term with an interesting etymology.

Mark Thorson wrote:

> In California it is illegal to sell stuff made in a residential
> kitchen. I'd have no problem with the state shutting down
> any bake sale that violated that law.


Are there exceptions to that law for the boyscouts pancake breakfast or
the church potluck supper where everyone brings a dish and then pays to
get in? I recall that being the law in Florida and Louisiana, but then
there were exceptions that struck me as common sense. It really would
be hard to write the law in a way that was perfect for every situation.
You want to keep the public safe while not telling people how to cook
in their own kitchens.


--Lia

>What's more, I'd like to know where all the people with these deadly
>allergies were in the '50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, and early '90s. I never
>heard of allergies like these until recent years, although I knew
>plenty of people allergic to dust, pollen, pet dander, wool, etc., and
>I don't think anyone died from those.
>
>--
>Wayne in Phoenix



From 1st grade to my last year of college I did not hear of one person in
school having a peanut allergy. What's funny is when someone says they're
allergic to all nuts. How can that be? Peanuts aren't even true nuts, they're
peas. If someone is truly allergic to peanuts shouldn't they also be allergic
to other legumes like peas or beans?

>(DJS0302) writes:
>
>
>From 1st grade to my last year of college I did not hear of one person in
>school having a peanut allergy. What's funny is when someone says they're
>allergic to all nuts. How can that be? Peanuts aren't even true nuts,
>they're
>peas. If someone is truly allergic to peanuts shouldn't they also be
>allergic
>to other legumes like peas or beans?

Botanical classification has little to do with food allergies; a person can be
alergic to one part of a plant but not the rest, some parts of a plant can be
deadly poisonous but not the rest of the plant.

http://allergies.about.com/od/peanuts/


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DJS0302 wrote:

> From 1st grade to my last year of college I did not hear of one person in
> school having a peanut allergy. What's funny is when someone says they're
> allergic to all nuts. How can that be? Peanuts aren't even true nuts, they're
> peas. If someone is truly allergic to peanuts shouldn't they also be allergic
> to other legumes like peas or beans?


I was wondering the same thing not too long ago on this very group. I
did some web research. I'm still no expert so I won't try to sum up
what I learned in any technical language or try to convince you, but I
did learn that, for some reason, in the world of allergies, a person
life-threateningly allegic to peanuts is more likely also to be allergic
to sesame, walnuts and pecans than to closer relatives like soy or peas.
The world of what's related to what in the nut world is more
complicated than I thought. As for why the explosion in the number of
people with these serious allergies, the doctors are wondering about
that too. It doesn't mean that the allergies (many of them, anyway)
aren't real.


--Lia

ospam (DJS0302) wrote in message >...
> >What's more, I'd like to know where all the people with these deadly
> >allergies were in the '50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, and early '90s. I never
> >heard of allergies like these until recent years, although I knew
> >plenty of people allergic to dust, pollen, pet dander, wool, etc., and
> >I don't think anyone died from those.
> >
> >--
> >Wayne in Phoenix
>
>
>
> From 1st grade to my last year of college I did not hear of one person in
> school having a peanut allergy. What's funny is when someone says they're
> allergic to all nuts. How can that be? Peanuts aren't even true nuts, they're
> peas. If someone is truly allergic to peanuts shouldn't they also be allergic
> to other legumes like peas or beans?

The allergen in peanuts is peanut agglutinin. Some people cross-react
with other agglutinins (such as from soybeans), others don't.
Agglutinins are pretty nasty proteins.

As for why we see these allergies now and not before - it's merely
because the allergen has been identified. People probably died from
them before, but the causative agent was unknown.

-L.

"-L. :" > wrote in message
om...
> ospam (DJS0302) wrote in message
> >...
>> >What's more, I'd like to know where all the people with these deadly
>> >allergies were in the '50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, and early '90s. I never
>> >heard of allergies like these until recent years, although I knew
>> >plenty of people allergic to dust, pollen, pet dander, wool, etc., and
>> >I don't think anyone died from those.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Wayne in Phoenix
>>
>>
>>
>> From 1st grade to my last year of college I did not hear of one person in
>> school having a peanut allergy. What's funny is when someone says
>> they're
>> allergic to all nuts. How can that be? Peanuts aren't even true nuts,
>> they're
>> peas. If someone is truly allergic to peanuts shouldn't they also be
>> allergic
>> to other legumes like peas or beans?
>
> The allergen in peanuts is peanut agglutinin. Some people cross-react
> with other agglutinins (such as from soybeans), others don't.
> Agglutinins are pretty nasty proteins.
>
> As for why we see these allergies now and not before - it's merely
> because the allergen has been identified. People probably died from
> them before, but the causative agent was unknown.

By the same token, I'd never known anyone with a milk allergy until my
daughter was born. Considering we lived in an isolated community, I'm lucky
that I decided to breastfeed because I'm sure had I bottle-fed she would
have died before they figured out what was wrong. When she was 10 mo. old
we were posted elsewhere and the doctor we got for her didn't believe she
had a milk 'allergy' until she had a reaction to spilled milk while in the
pediatric unit of the local hospital. Turns out this president of the
province's Medical Society had never heard of a milk allergy though he was
familiar with lactose intolerance.

Gabby

Franfogel wrote:

> I just spent some time with my daughter and grandchildren and found out, to my
> surprise, that when their elementary school has a bake sale no one can bring
> homemade baked items. They must all be bought at the store. She was told that
> this was to prevent anyone getting sick (and presumably to prevent the school
> from being sued). This seems totally absurd to me. In all the years I've been
> on this planet I have never heard of anyone getting sick from something they
> bought at a school bake sale. Am I off the beam here? What do you think?
>

If that is the way they are going to be they might as well try some sort of cookie
sale fundraiser like Girl Guide cookies. I used to bake stuff for the bake sale
at my son's school. Then I found out that the were selling the stuff for less than
it cost me to make them. Nuts to that. All I was doing was providing someone with
cheap baked goods and the school was getting the money.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Franfogel wrote:
>
> I used to bake stuff for the bake sale
> at my son's school. Then I found out that the were selling the stuff for less than
> it cost me to make them. Nuts to that. All I was doing was providing someone with
> cheap baked goods and the school was getting the money.




I had the same experience with our high school PTO. The teachers
sponsor a huge craft sale in early Nov. with the booth rental $$$
going to a scholarship fund for kids who want to major in education
in college. The PTO has a bake sale table and donates the proceeds
to the scholarship fund. Too many times I have made or seen cakes
that cost ~$8 or more to make being sold for $2.50. I'd rather donate
the cost of the ingredients.

gloria p

I am so glad to see this topic come up in a thread, because I was just getting
ready to start it myself with a question.

Our school is having a bake sale on the 2nd (election day, we're a polling
place, extra traffic). How do you think it's best to price items? I'll be
making divinity (relatively cheap to make), individual pineapple upside down
cakes (about $5.00 total to make 8 small-pot-pie-sized cakes), and small
coconut cakes (recipe posted earlier this month during a discussion about
"poke" cakes. These are slightly more expensive to make because of the cost of
the cream of coconut, but I'm using miniature loaf pans, and can make about 10
cakes from a normal-sized cake batter).
I know my pricing scale for these things when I do small catering jobs, but I'm
not looking for a real business-level profit for these items. As consumers
(and parents) how much would you be willing to pay for, say, a bag of 4 largish
pieces of divinity? A pineapple cake? A coconut cake? A coffee-cake-strudel
muffin?

Thanks!

Alexis.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:49:12 GMT, Puester >
wrote:

>I had the same experience with our high school PTO. The teachers
>sponsor a huge craft sale in early Nov. with the booth rental $$$
>going to a scholarship fund for kids who want to major in education
>in college. The PTO has a bake sale table and donates the proceeds
>to the scholarship fund. Too many times I have made or seen cakes
>that cost ~$8 or more to make being sold for $2.50. I'd rather donate
>the cost of the ingredients.

My church runs an "Alternative Christmas Market" every November, with
charities such as Habitat for Humanity, Heifers, Int'l., a children's
cancer charity, a local women's shelter, another couple of
international crafts charities and our United Methodists Women's bake
sale. The bake sale creamed every other booth. Methodists seem to
travel on their stomachs...

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

Franfogel wrote:
>
> I just spent some time with my daughter and grandchildren and found out, to my
> surprise, that when their elementary school has a bake sale no one can bring
> homemade baked items. They must all be bought at the store. She was told that
> this was to prevent anyone getting sick (and presumably to prevent the school
> from being sued). This seems totally absurd to me. In all the years I've been
> on this planet I have never heard of anyone getting sick from something they
> bought at a school bake sale. Am I off the beam here? What do you think?
>
> Fran



That's one of the saddest things I've heard in a long time.
Most bakery stuff is so filled with preservatives and fake
ingredients compared with home-made-from-scratch.

What a weird world this is turning into.

gloria p

>I just spent some time with my daughter and grandchildren and found out, to
>my
>surprise, that when their elementary school has a bake sale no one can bring
>homemade baked items. They must all be bought at the store. She was told
>that
>this was to prevent anyone getting sick (and presumably to prevent the school
>from being sued). This seems totally absurd to me. In all the years I've
>been
>on this planet I have never heard of anyone getting sick from something they
>bought at a school bake sale. Am I off the beam here? What do you think?
>
>Fran

I asked the same question a year or so ago. What I want to know is what's to
stop someone from using a container from the grocery store for their own
homemade product? I'll occasionaly buy things such as cakes or cookies from
the bakery department at the grocery store and I always save the containers for
just such a use. Personally I would boycott a bake sale that required bought
items. They could always ask the person bringing the item if it contains any
nuts or other common allergic ingredients. If on the otherhand if someone who
is allergic to chocolate is stupid enough to buy and eat a pan of brownies then
they deserve to get sick. Yes, I'm bad but I tell it like it is.

> " RJ "
>
>On 30 Oct 2004 13:21:13 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:
>
>>>But isn't there a disconnect when a group of people
>>>donate items that cost them $10 and the organization
>>>prices them at $2.50?
>>>
>>>gloria p
>>
>
>
>Cost to PTA $0.00
>Sell Price $2.50
>
>Profit $2.50
>
>Whats the problem ?
><rj>

I think Gloria was also concerned with the cost to the baker to bake the cake
($10), which is why I suggested the baker buy back their own cake = no loss...
the baker gets their cake and eats it too. Of course only a pinhead would
spend $10 to bake a cake they know in advance will sell for $2.50... imagine
such a schmuck having their own restaurant.... porterhose steak dinners: $2.50
Duh!


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