On Nov 23, 7:25*pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> On 11/23/2011 5:47 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> >> On 11/22/2011 11:47 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> >>> So it seems I will have to have back surgery. The second opinion
> >>> diagnosis today by a neurosurgeon is spondylolisthesis. A dislocation at
> >>> L5-S1. And a cyst. And nerve compression and failure of lumbar disks and
> >>> joints due to the instability of my spine. No frickin wonder I'm in such
> >>> pain. Just sort of venting and thinking and planning. I get an epidural
> >>> on Friday and on a neuralpathic med for now until I can do the surgery.
> >>> *heavy sigh*
>
> >> So sorry to hear this, Cheryl. I wish you a speedy recovery.
>
> > Thanks Janet. I'm so grateful for all of the nice thoughts and replies
> > here. I wrote it out once and deleted but I really needed to vent so
> > thank you and everyone.
>
> That's what's so nice about Usenet communities. *We all too often ****
> and moan about Usenet and the Trolls and Flamers, but when it comes down
> to real, true, humanity, Usenet groups are a nice bunch of folks.

Just goes to show Janet, that we all have both good AND evil in us.
Right now some of the good is slipping out. But I;'ll go back to
berating BillyZoom before the night's over! ;-)

John Kuthe...

On Nov 23, 8:31*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Nov 23, 7:25*pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11/23/2011 5:47 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
> > > On 11/23/2011 1:05 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> > >> On 11/22/2011 11:47 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> > >>> So it seems I will have to have back surgery. The second opinion
> > >>> diagnosis today by a neurosurgeon is spondylolisthesis. A dislocation at
> > >>> L5-S1. And a cyst. And nerve compression and failure of lumbar disks and
> > >>> joints due to the instability of my spine. No frickin wonder I'm in such
> > >>> pain. Just sort of venting and thinking and planning. I get an epidural
> > >>> on Friday and on a neuralpathic med for now until I can do the surgery.
> > >>> *heavy sigh*
>
> > >> So sorry to hear this, Cheryl. I wish you a speedy recovery.
>
> > > Thanks Janet. I'm so grateful for all of the nice thoughts and replies
> > > here. I wrote it out once and deleted but I really needed to vent so
> > > thank you and everyone.
>
> > That's what's so nice about Usenet communities. *We all too often ****
> > and moan about Usenet and the Trolls and Flamers, but when it comes down
> > to real, true, humanity, Usenet groups are a nice bunch of folks.
>
> Just goes to show Janet, that we all have both good AND evil in us.
> Right now some of the good is slipping out. But I;'ll go back to
> berating BillyZoom before the night's over! ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

For you to imagine your real friends are here rather than real life
says a lot about you. You have asperger's don't you?

On Nov 23, 8:10*pm, BillyZoom > wrote:
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>
> For you to imagine your real friends are here rather than real life
> says a lot about you. You have asperger's don't you?

Don't we all, to some extent? ;-)

And do you always leave 100 lines of quoted text to add your 2 lines
worth of tripe?

John Kuthe...

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 18:10:51 -0800 (PST), BillyZoom
> wrote:
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>
>For you to imagine your real friends are here rather than real life
>says a lot about you. You have asperger's don't you?

Do you always leave 100+ lines of quoted text just to add your 2 lines
of meretricious piffle?

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
>
>Just goes to show Janet, that we all have both good AND evil in us.
>Right now some of the good is slipping out. But I;'ll go back to
>berating WillyWhiz before the night's over! ;-)
>
>John Kuthe...

On Nov 23, 9:43*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Nov 23, 8:10*pm, BillyZoom > wrote:
> ...
>
>
>
> > For you to imagine your real friends are here rather than real life
> > says a lot about you. You have asperger's don't you?
>
> Don't we all, to some extent? ;-)

Well...no.

>
> And do you always leave 100 lines of quoted text to add your 2 lines
> worth of tripe?
>
> John Kuthe...

Whatever bothers you the most.

On Nov 23, 9:45*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 18:10:51 -0800 (PST), > wrote:
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>
>
> >For you to imagine your real friends are here rather than real life
> >says a lot about you. You have asperger's don't you?
>
> Do you always leave 100+ lines of quoted text just to add your 2 lines
> of meretricious piffle?
>
> John Kuthe...

Oh come now. Is it meretricious piffle or is it tripe? And get a move
on. There's buttholes to wipe. We all have our roles in life and your
college degrees have qualified you to tend to gomers when the
qualified staff are snug in their beds. Chop, chop! You'll never make
3P 12 with an attitude like that!

On 11/23/2011 8:15 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Cheryl" wrote:
>>
>> So it seems I will have to have back surgery. The second opinion
>> diagnosis today by a neurosurgeon is spondylolisthesis. A dislocation
>> at L5-S1. And a cyst. And nerve compression and failure of lumbar
>> disks and joints due to the instability of my spine. No frickin wonder
>> I'm in such pain. Just sort of venting and thinking and planning. I
>> get an epidural on Friday and on a neuralpathic med for now until I
>> can do the surgery. *heavy sigh*
>
> I hope all goes well.

Thank you Shel.

On 11/23/2011 7:17 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 23/11/2011 6:36 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>
>> He said no rush but the longer I wait, the more pain I have to endure.
>> He just said it isn't going to get better without it. I figure within
>> the next few months. I just transferred to a new department at work and
>> even though I've been with the company for almost 15 years, I am
>> concerned about transferring and then having to take time off. I've
>> worked with this department for 1/2 billable hours for a long time, so
>> they know me well and are ok with me working from home, but I really
>> need to talk to them about full time working from home for 6 weeks
>> straight. We have a lot of new releases for a rebid contract we won so
>> this is bad timing.
>
> At least you know what you are in for. When I went in for open heart
> surgery a year ago it was a rude surprise. I felt like a bag of crap for
> after the operation and for several months. It was serious stuff and it
> was touch and go for a while at the beginning. It has been a long road
> to recovery but I feel good again. In fact, I feel better now than I did
> before the incident that almost killed me. Relax and put some faith in
> the medical professionals that are going to improve your live for you.

I'm very glad that you feel so much better. I will put trust into the
doctor and let him and my PCP figure out what to do.

Cheryl wrote:

> So it seems I will have to have back surgery. The second opinion diagnosis
> today by a neurosurgeon is spondylolisthesis. A dislocation at L5-S1. And
> a cyst. And nerve compression and failure of lumbar disks and joints due
> to the instability of my spine. No frickin wonder I'm in such pain. Just
> sort of venting and thinking and planning. I get an epidural on Friday and
> on a neuralpathic med for now until I can do the surgery. *heavy sigh*

Best wishes for an uncomplicated procedure and a speedy recovery with NO
MORE PAIN.

Bob

Cheryl wrote:
> So it seems I will have to have back surgery. The second opinion
> diagnosis today by a neurosurgeon is spondylolisthesis. A dislocation at
> L5-S1. And a cyst. And nerve compression and failure of lumbar disks
> and joints due to the instability of my spine. No frickin wonder I'm in
> such pain. Just sort of venting and thinking and planning. I get an
> epidural on Friday and on a neuralpathic med for now until I can do the
> surgery. *heavy sigh*

I am sorry to hear this, Cheryl, and hope the surgery at least
helps a lot with that pain.

--
Jean B.

three surgons refused to do my father's when they finally got the right
surgon he had it done and says now his only regret was not doing it sooner,
Lee
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/23/2011 2:34 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 11:47 pm, > wrote:
>>> So it seems I will have to have back surgery. The second opinion
>>> diagnosis today by a neurosurgeon is spondylolisthesis. A dislocation at
>>> L5-S1. And a cyst. And nerve compression and failure of lumbar disks
>>> and joints due to the instability of my spine. No frickin wonder I'm in
>>> such pain. Just sort of venting and thinking and planning. I get an
>>> epidural on Friday and on a neuralpathic med for now until I can do the
>>> surgery. *heavy sigh*
>>
>> I had lumbar fusion back surgery last January - for 3, 4, 5 and S1.
>> I had lots of arthritic growth, plus a cyst. It was easy surgery,
>> little pain, and recovery (back to work) was about a total of 4
>> weeks. The back brace was merely to remind me what not to do during
>> recovery, and it was so uncomfortable, the doctor tossed the rigid
>> part of it. Relax, it will be fine. ;-)
>
> The best I've heard yet based on experience! Thank you for sharing yours.
> I hope mine is just as easy and quick recovery like you had. Very nice to
> hear you had success.

On 11/24/2011 9:43 PM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>
>> So it seems I will have to have back surgery. The second opinion diagnosis
>> today by a neurosurgeon is spondylolisthesis. A dislocation at L5-S1. And
>> a cyst. And nerve compression and failure of lumbar disks and joints due
>> to the instability of my spine. No frickin wonder I'm in such pain. Just
>> sort of venting and thinking and planning. I get an epidural on Friday and
>> on a neuralpathic med for now until I can do the surgery. *heavy sigh*
>
> Best wishes for an uncomplicated procedure and a speedy recovery with NO
> MORE PAIN.

Thank you. I had the epidural today and it wasn't as uncomfortable to
have done as the doctor said it would be. No relief yet but he said
most people feel relief in 24-72 hours. I just fell in love with the
nurses who were taking care of me and it was just an out patient
procedure. They were so nice and so accommodating because it was cold in
the operating room.

On 11/25/2011 2:55 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>> So it seems I will have to have back surgery. The second opinion
>> diagnosis today by a neurosurgeon is spondylolisthesis. A dislocation
>> at L5-S1. And a cyst. And nerve compression and failure of lumbar
>> disks and joints due to the instability of my spine. No frickin wonder
>> I'm in such pain. Just sort of venting and thinking and planning. I
>> get an epidural on Friday and on a neuralpathic med for now until I
>> can do the surgery. *heavy sigh*
>
> I am sorry to hear this, Cheryl, and hope the surgery at least helps a
> lot with that pain.
>
Thanks Jean. I have a follow up in 2 weeks and will get more info about
the surgery and talk more in depth with the surgeon.

On 11/25/2011 5:39 PM, Storrmmee wrote:

> three surgons refused to do my father's when they finally got the right
> surgon he had it done and says now his only regret was not doing it sooner,

I am so not impressed with how the medical field is being run these
days. They are being run by the insurance companies. My sister has had
a few procedures and tests denied by her insurance company and she has
cancer. They even denied letting her have a pump for chemo and do it at
home rather than have to check into the hospital to have it done over 2
days every other week. I just don't understand.

On 25/11/2011 6:01 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 11/25/2011 5:39 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>
>> three surgons refused to do my father's when they finally got the right
>> surgon he had it done and says now his only regret was not doing it
>> sooner,

The father of a friend of mine was dreading the thoughts of hip surgery.
My mother, having recently undergone knee replace, said the same thing,
that when it is all done his big regret will be not having had it done
sooner.

> I am so not impressed with how the medical field is being run these
> days. They are being run by the insurance companies. My sister has had a
> few procedures and tests denied by her insurance company and she has
> cancer. They even denied letting her have a pump for chemo and do it at
> home rather than have to check into the hospital to have it done over 2
> days every other week. I just don't understand.


I have mixed feelings about the medical field. I used to have complete
faith. My experience last year changed that. I went in for an angiogram,
something that I thought was a fairly routine procedure. Rather than
ruling out a coronary artery blockage, which I had expected, I had a
complete blockage of my left main coronary artery. Not to worry they
told me. We can clean it out and put in a stent.... and then things took
a turn for the worse. They perforated my artery. I went from a medical
condition to a life threatening one. They almost killed me. Within an
hour I was undergoing open heart surgery.

That surgery was brutal. It was months before I even felt human again.
It has been more than a year and I am still recuperating. Thank
goodness we have a government run health care system. I had everything
done that needed to be done and I had no issues about costs. Several
visits to doctors, walk in clinics, ER, angliogram angioplasty, bypass
surgery, 8 days in hospital including 4 in ICU, follow-up doctor visits.
My bill was ..... $0.

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:57:59 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:
snip
I just fell in love with the
>nurses who were taking care of me and it was just an out patient
>procedure. They were so nice and so accommodating because it was cold in
>the operating room.

Those procedural rooms are always kept as cold as a meat locker.
Welcome to the nurses with an endless supply of heated blankets.
Ah, what a wonderful feeling.
Janet US

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:01:50 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 11/25/2011 5:39 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>
> > three surgons refused to do my father's when they finally got the right
> > surgon he had it done and says now his only regret was not doing it sooner,
>
> I am so not impressed with how the medical field is being run these
> days. They are being run by the insurance companies. My sister has had
> a few procedures and tests denied by her insurance company and she has
> cancer. They even denied letting her have a pump for chemo and do it at
> home rather than have to check into the hospital to have it done over 2
> days every other week. I just don't understand.

Insurance companies are profit driven. They aren't in the business to
benefit patients; patients benefit them (and their stockholders). The
only business they're in is to make as much money as possible. You,
the consumer are just a means to an end - dividends. You'll find the
same attitude with all "insurance" companies. They are available as
long as they're *taking* your money but will weasel out of paying as
soon as you need them due to a major catastrophe.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:31:58 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 25/11/2011 6:01 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> > On 11/25/2011 5:39 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> >
> >> three surgons refused to do my father's when they finally got the right
> >> surgon he had it done and says now his only regret was not doing it
> >> sooner,
>
> The father of a friend of mine was dreading the thoughts of hip surgery.
> My mother, having recently undergone knee replace, said the same thing,
> that when it is all done his big regret will be not having had it done
> sooner.

ChrisD may have something to say about it if she reads this thread
because she has personal experience with that type of surgery.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:01:50 -0500, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/25/2011 5:39 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>>
>>> three surgons refused to do my father's when they finally got the right
>>> surgon he had it done and says now his only regret was not doing it sooner,
>> I am so not impressed with how the medical field is being run these
>> days. They are being run by the insurance companies. My sister has had
>> a few procedures and tests denied by her insurance company and she has
>> cancer. They even denied letting her have a pump for chemo and do it at
>> home rather than have to check into the hospital to have it done over 2
>> days every other week. I just don't understand.
>
> Insurance companies are profit driven. They aren't in the business to
> benefit patients; patients benefit them (and their stockholders). The
> only business they're in is to make as much money as possible. You,
> the consumer are just a means to an end - dividends. You'll find the
> same attitude with all "insurance" companies. They are available as
> long as they're *taking* your money but will weasel out of paying as
> soon as you need them due to a major catastrophe.
>
I have come to that conclusion to. The consumer has one idea
about insurance (i.e., that we pay when we don't need it and then
will have good coverage when we need it), while altogether too
often, the insurance companies just want to take that money and
then question things and deny coverage or treatment when it's
needed. (Or even discontinue people's coverage.)

--
Jean B.

sf > wrote:

>Insurance companies are profit driven. They aren't in the business to
>benefit patients; patients benefit them (and their stockholders). The
>only business they're in is to make as much money as possible. You,
>the consumer are just a means to an end - dividends. You'll find the
>same attitude with all "insurance" companies. They are available as
>long as they're *taking* your money but will weasel out of paying as
>soon as you need them due to a major catastrophe.

Actually there are two types of insurance companies, stock insurance
companies and mutual insurance companies. What you are describing
is primarily true of stock insurance companies. Mutual insurance
companies do not have the same conflict (between policyholders and
stockholders), because they are owned by their policyowners.

Furthermore, some health providers are non-profit so they fall into
neither of the above categories. Also there are entities such as USAA
that, while not mutual companies, are in effect non-profit insurers.

(Tangentially, the industry terminology for what you describe in your
last sentence above is "reverse underwriting".)

The bottom line is that, assuming you want insurance at all, you
want to buy it from a non-profit like USAA or Kaiser, or at least a
mutual insurance company like State Farm. Staying away from the stock
insurance companies (Genworth, AIG, etc.) is in my opinion an excellent
idea, unless there's something particularly attractive that they
have and you can't get elsewhere.


Steve

Cheryl > wrote:

>On 11/25/2011 5:39 PM, Storrmmee wrote:

>> three surgons refused to do my father's when they finally got the right
>> surgon he had it done and says now his only regret was not doing it sooner,

>I am so not impressed with how the medical field is being run these
>days. They are being run by the insurance companies. My sister has had
>a few procedures and tests denied by her insurance company and she has
>cancer. They even denied letting her have a pump for chemo and do it at
>home rather than have to check into the hospital to have it done over 2
>days every other week. I just don't understand.

It's pretty mysterious. I heard about a guy who got his PSA test,
it was positive; so he got the biopsy, IT was positive; and yet
"the board" decided he wasn't a candidate for surgery. His age is
mid 50's, so he not too old to be in the window for prostate surgery.

If they're not going to do it, why bother with the PSA test in
the first place?


Steve

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:31:58 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:




>
>
> Not to worry they
>told me. We can clean it out and put in a stent.... and then things took
>a turn for the worse. They perforated my artery. I went from a medical
>condition to a life threatening one. They almost killed me. Within an
>hour I was undergoing open heart surgery.
>
>Thank
>goodness we have a government run health care system.

Are you sure? Ever wonder how it would have turned out under the US
system? My cost would be $0 too aside from insurance premiums.

now that sucks, you do know that you can get the appeal procedures and start
crap for her, also hospital socail serves can help, Lee
"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/25/2011 5:39 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>
>> three surgons refused to do my father's when they finally got the right
>> surgon he had it done and says now his only regret was not doing it
>> sooner,
>
> I am so not impressed with how the medical field is being run these days.
> They are being run by the insurance companies. My sister has had a few
> procedures and tests denied by her insurance company and she has cancer.
> They even denied letting her have a pump for chemo and do it at home
> rather than have to check into the hospital to have it done over 2 days
> every other week. I just don't understand.

i reread this and guess i was misunderstood about my father, the surgeons
wouldn't do the surgery because of the level of difficulty when the first
three all recommended the one he ended up with it was fine... coverage is an
issue, because most people don't understand their coverage, most don't
understand that there is a lifetime limit on some things, and some things
you think are covered aren't becuse you didn't get w riter, Lee
"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:01:50 -0500, Cheryl >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/25/2011 5:39 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>>>
>>>> three surgons refused to do my father's when they finally got the right
>>>> surgon he had it done and says now his only regret was not doing it
>>>> sooner,
>>> I am so not impressed with how the medical field is being run these
>>> days. They are being run by the insurance companies. My sister has had
>>> a few procedures and tests denied by her insurance company and she has
>>> cancer. They even denied letting her have a pump for chemo and do it at
>>> home rather than have to check into the hospital to have it done over 2
>>> days every other week. I just don't understand.
>>
>> Insurance companies are profit driven. They aren't in the business to
>> benefit patients; patients benefit them (and their stockholders). The
>> only business they're in is to make as much money as possible. You,
>> the consumer are just a means to an end - dividends. You'll find the
>> same attitude with all "insurance" companies. They are available as
>> long as they're *taking* your money but will weasel out of paying as
>> soon as you need them due to a major catastrophe.
>>
> I have come to that conclusion to. The consumer has one idea about
> insurance (i.e., that we pay when we don't need it and then will have good
> coverage when we need it), while altogether too often, the insurance
> companies just want to take that money and then question things and deny
> coverage or treatment when it's needed. (Or even discontinue people's
> coverage.)
>
> --
> Jean B.

Epidural yesterday didn't help at all. Doctor said 24 to 72 hours for
effect so I'm waiting.

Cheryl wrote:
>
>Epidural yesterday didn't help at all. Doctor said 24 to 72 hours for
>effect so I'm waiting.

???

On Nov 25, 4:57*pm, Cheryl > wrote:
> On 11/24/2011 9:43 PM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
> > Cheryl wrote:
>
> >> So it seems I will have to have back surgery. The second opinion diagnosis
> >> today by a neurosurgeon is spondylolisthesis. A dislocation at L5-S1. *And
> >> a cyst. And nerve compression and failure of lumbar disks and joints due
> >> to the instability of my spine. *No frickin wonder I'm in such pain. Just
> >> sort of venting and thinking and planning. I get an epidural on Friday and
> >> on a neuralpathic med for now until I can do the surgery. **heavy sigh*
>
> > Best wishes for an uncomplicated procedure and a speedy recovery with NO
> > MORE PAIN.
>
> Thank you. *I had the epidural today and it wasn't as uncomfortable to
> have done as the doctor said it would be. *No relief yet but he said
> most people feel relief in 24-72 hours. *I just fell in love with the
> nurses who were taking care of me and it was just an out patient
> procedure. They were so nice and so accommodating because it was cold in
> the operating room.

Good Luck Cheryl, I have had both the surgery and numerous Procedures,
iuncluding many epidurlals, with varying amts of success. None with
the epiduralss.

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:15:13 -0800 (PST), rosie >
wrote:

> Good Luck Cheryl, I have had both the surgery and numerous Procedures,
> iuncluding many epidurlals, with varying amts of success. None with
> the epiduralss.

No pain relief with an epidural? That explains why my son in law
isn't saying he's feeling better. I wonder why they bother? It's
pretty painful just to get one or at least the one he got was painful
because they needed to put it in a spot on him that was smaller than
they normally are in other people.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.