On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:40:05 -0600, zxcvbob > wrote:

>That was a penguin! Not the same at all. (what cat are we talking
>about anyway?)

The cat on the television set. Where the penguin used to be.

-- Dr. Bloody Barnovski

On 12/3/2011 8:35 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:40:05 -0600, > wrote:
>
>> That was a penguin! Not the same at all. (what cat are we talking
>> about anyway?)
>
> The cat on the television set. Where the penguin used to be.
>
> -- Dr. Bloody Barnovski


It's "Dr. Bloody Bronowski," referencing Jacob Bronowski and the series
The Ascent of Man.

On Dec 3, 9:43*pm, Pennyaline >
wrote:
> On 12/3/2011 8:35 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:40:05 -0600, > *wrote:
>
> >> That was a penguin! *Not the same at all. *(what cat are we talking
> >> about anyway?)
>
> > The cat on the television set. Where the penguin used to be.
>
> > -- Dr. Bloody Barnovski
>
> It's "Dr. Bloody Bronowski," referencing Jacob Bronowski and the series
> The Ascent of Man.

And now, the cat on top of your television will explode.

BOOM!


;-)

John Kuthe...

On 12/3/2011 6:48 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> since he seems to have a lapping issue you might have no choice but to cut
> his food in the way of formula, but not too much, if he isn't reacting to
> the water he is having a lapping issue, you might try real people baby food,
> get turkey or lamb and let it be room temp or a little warmer, nothing with
> onions but the lamb and turkey are smelly enough to maybe interest, ninty
> percent of a cats appetite is being attracted to what they smell, if he
> doesn't smell well or is congested that will slow it down. its good news he
> can process it, that removes a lot of potentail health issues. focus on his
> sense of smell and if you can get a look in his mouth see if it is mishapen
> or defective in any way, if you can do that and don't see anything you will
> be sure that its just a learning curve, good luck and keep us updated, Lee


Thanks, Lee. I'll get some baby meat tomorrow. Maybe lamb because
that's the smelliest meat.
--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Dec 3, 8:32*pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Thanks, Lee. *I'll get some baby meat tomorrow. Maybe lamb because
> that's the smelliest meat.

get a plate put some water or milk on it and put him in the plate,
most kittens and puppies learn to eat as well as drink when they are
being weaned by you is licking their feet.

On Dec 3, 9:53*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Dec 3, 9:43*pm, Pennyaline >
> wrote:
>
> > On 12/3/2011 8:35 PM, wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:40:05 -0600, > *wrote:
>
> > >> That was a penguin! *Not the same at all. *(what cat are we talking
> > >> about anyway?)
>
> > > The cat on the television set. Where the penguin used to be.
>
> > > -- Dr. Bloody Barnovski
>
> > It's "Dr. Bloody Bronowski," referencing Jacob Bronowski and the series
> > The Ascent of Man.
>
> And now, the cat on top of your television will explode.
>
> BOOM!
>
> ;-)

Or a cartoon foot will crush it. Man, good music tonight.
Symphonycast where the SLSO and Jennifer Koh did all 4 of Vivaldi's
seasons. Then more great radio with American Routes, where they are
playing old country, and featuring some conversations with interesting
artists. From the Top was good tonight too..
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Dec 3, 10:32*pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> On 12/3/2011 6:48 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>
> > since he seems to have a lapping issue you might have no choice but to cut
> > his food in the way of formula, but not too much, if he isn't reacting to
> > the water he is having a lapping issue, you might try real people baby food,
> > get turkey or lamb and let it be room temp or a little warmer, nothing with
> > onions but the lamb and turkey are smelly enough to maybe interest, ninty
> > percent of a cats appetite is being attracted to what they smell, if he
> > doesn't smell well or is congested that will slow it down. *its good news he
> > can process it, that removes a lot of potentail health issues. *focus on his
> > sense of smell and if you can get a look in his mouth see if it is mishapen
> > or defective in any way, if you can do that and don't see anything you will
> > be sure that its just a learning curve, good luck and keep us updated, Lee
>
> Thanks, Lee. *I'll get some baby meat tomorrow. Maybe lamb because
> that's the smelliest meat.

Lamb baby food? We bought very little jarred baby food, and pretty
much only
fruit for our son, but meat is what cats are supposed to eat. Don't
give that kitten
corn.

> --
> Janet Wilder

--Bryan

On Dec 3, 8:32*pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> On 12/3/2011 6:48 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>
> > since he seems to have a lapping issue you might have no choice but to cut
> > his food in the way of formula, but not too much, if he isn't reacting to
> > the water he is having a lapping issue, you might try real people baby food,
> > get turkey or lamb and let it be room temp or a little warmer, nothing with
> > onions but the lamb and turkey are smelly enough to maybe interest, ninty
> > percent of a cats appetite is being attracted to what they smell, if he
> > doesn't smell well or is congested that will slow it down. *its good news he
> > can process it, that removes a lot of potentail health issues. *focus on his
> > sense of smell and if you can get a look in his mouth see if it is mishapen
> > or defective in any way, if you can do that and don't see anything you will
> > be sure that its just a learning curve, good luck and keep us updated, Lee
>
> Thanks, Lee. *I'll get some baby meat tomorrow. Maybe lamb because
> that's the smelliest meat.
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. *Cooking does.

Janet,

Remember me from the Yogi thread? Glad you found him a good home &
kudos to you for taking in another orphan.

With a single, slow weaning is not unusual. In a litter they compete
for food and when one catches on, generally the rest jump on the
bandwagon. Never had a single kitten who didn't eventually get the
idea of eating on it's own - even the one's who were slow to catch
on.

If he had any residual jaw problems from his fall off the roof, he
probably wouldn't be happily chewing on fingers and showing normal
growth & motor skills. After his traumatic start, he could just be
loving the security & closeness your bottle feeding engenders - and
that's ok.

At this point, I'd suggest patience, rather than force feeding -
especially whole people foods like turkey. Like a human baby, choking
is a danger with little kittens and dry kibble can be an issue. With
little kittens it's not a good idea to get too creative and jump
around with their menu - it can wreak havoc with their just developing
innards. Being consistent and making changes in small steps is key.

Suggest you continue the formula at regular strength and add in a bit
of pureed wet kitten food. You may have to enlarge the hole in the
nipple for a thicker mixture. He absolutely needs all of the calories
and nutrients in the formula so I wouldn't thin it down with any extra
water. Keep adding a little more of the pureed kitten food each time
you feed.

In a day or so, try putting him in a large pie plate with a nice juicy
blob of the mixture and put a little dot on his nose...let him get his
paws and face properly disgusting. He'll probably lick himself,
decide he tastes pretty good, and you're on your way to weaning. If
there's no interest, try again the next day...he's just not ready.

Until he's 100% weaned, continue supplementing with bottle feedings
until he gets antsy and literally pushes the bottle away when you try
to feed...about the time he chews through the nipple...(that's always
made me wince) ...that's the real signal that they're ready move on to
solid foods.

Don't worry too much - darned unlikely that he'll want a bottle
indefinitely...not too many kids enter 1st grade still sucking on
their binkies...if you're like me, you'll find yourself missing those
sweet bottle feedings.

Best of luck :-)
Nancy

a couple of other things i thought of, if you cut his formula don't make it
thinner, keep the strength the same but give him less, if you thin it the
water will fill his belly and he might not get a hunger signal as redily
also you might consider putting some of the baby food on the top of one paw,
if his other developement is on schedule he is probably washing himself so
he is licking his fur, if there is a bit of something messing up his paw he
will probably try and wash it off, so he will at least be getting used to
food in his mouth, but be careful not too much or he will fling it off and
everywhere when he shakes his paw. Lee
"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 12/3/2011 6:48 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> since he seems to have a lapping issue you might have no choice but to
>> cut
>> his food in the way of formula, but not too much, if he isn't reacting to
>> the water he is having a lapping issue, you might try real people baby
>> food,
>> get turkey or lamb and let it be room temp or a little warmer, nothing
>> with
>> onions but the lamb and turkey are smelly enough to maybe interest, ninty
>> percent of a cats appetite is being attracted to what they smell, if he
>> doesn't smell well or is congested that will slow it down. its good news
>> he
>> can process it, that removes a lot of potentail health issues. focus on
>> his
>> sense of smell and if you can get a look in his mouth see if it is
>> mishapen
>> or defective in any way, if you can do that and don't see anything you
>> will
>> be sure that its just a learning curve, good luck and keep us updated,
>> Lee
>
>
> Thanks, Lee. I'll get some baby meat tomorrow. Maybe lamb because that's
> the smelliest meat.
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

you don't want to do this as being a kitten with no littermates his feet
will release too much heat if the bottoms get wet. Lee
"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 3, 8:32 pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Thanks, Lee. I'll get some baby meat tomorrow. Maybe lamb because
> that's the smelliest meat.

get a plate put some water or milk on it and put him in the plate,
most kittens and puppies learn to eat as well as drink when they are
being weaned by you is licking their feet.

except as a single he can't afford to get the bottoms of his feet wet, but
on top his paws, or on his face is fine as long as its not close enough to
his nose to get in his nose, Lee
"ntantiques" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 3, 8:32 pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> On 12/3/2011 6:48 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>
> > since he seems to have a lapping issue you might have no choice but to
> > cut
> > his food in the way of formula, but not too much, if he isn't reacting
> > to
> > the water he is having a lapping issue, you might try real people baby
> > food,
> > get turkey or lamb and let it be room temp or a little warmer, nothing
> > with
> > onions but the lamb and turkey are smelly enough to maybe interest,
> > ninty
> > percent of a cats appetite is being attracted to what they smell, if he
> > doesn't smell well or is congested that will slow it down. its good news
> > he
> > can process it, that removes a lot of potentail health issues. focus on
> > his
> > sense of smell and if you can get a look in his mouth see if it is
> > mishapen
> > or defective in any way, if you can do that and don't see anything you
> > will
> > be sure that its just a learning curve, good luck and keep us updated,
> > Lee
>
> Thanks, Lee. I'll get some baby meat tomorrow. Maybe lamb because
> that's the smelliest meat.
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Janet,

Remember me from the Yogi thread? Glad you found him a good home &
kudos to you for taking in another orphan.

With a single, slow weaning is not unusual. In a litter they compete
for food and when one catches on, generally the rest jump on the
bandwagon. Never had a single kitten who didn't eventually get the
idea of eating on it's own - even the one's who were slow to catch
on.

If he had any residual jaw problems from his fall off the roof, he
probably wouldn't be happily chewing on fingers and showing normal
growth & motor skills. After his traumatic start, he could just be
loving the security & closeness your bottle feeding engenders - and
that's ok.

At this point, I'd suggest patience, rather than force feeding -
especially whole people foods like turkey. Like a human baby, choking
is a danger with little kittens and dry kibble can be an issue. With
little kittens it's not a good idea to get too creative and jump
around with their menu - it can wreak havoc with their just developing
innards. Being consistent and making changes in small steps is key.

Suggest you continue the formula at regular strength and add in a bit
of pureed wet kitten food. You may have to enlarge the hole in the
nipple for a thicker mixture. He absolutely needs all of the calories
and nutrients in the formula so I wouldn't thin it down with any extra
water. Keep adding a little more of the pureed kitten food each time
you feed.

In a day or so, try putting him in a large pie plate with a nice juicy
blob of the mixture and put a little dot on his nose...let him get his
paws and face properly disgusting. He'll probably lick himself,
decide he tastes pretty good, and you're on your way to weaning. If
there's no interest, try again the next day...he's just not ready.

Until he's 100% weaned, continue supplementing with bottle feedings
until he gets antsy and literally pushes the bottle away when you try
to feed...about the time he chews through the nipple...(that's always
made me wince) ...that's the real signal that they're ready move on to
solid foods.

Don't worry too much - darned unlikely that he'll want a bottle
indefinitely...not too many kids enter 1st grade still sucking on
their binkies...if you're like me, you'll find yourself missing those
sweet bottle feedings.

Best of luck :-)
Nancy

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> Can we get back to the cat, please?
>
> He hit over one pound today. He was barely half a pound on the day
> before Thanksgiving when we took him home. He seems to be thriving,
> growing, playing and doing everything a little cat does, but eating solids.
>
> We tried making a gruel and even putting it into his bottle but he is
> insulted by our efforts. You wouldn't believe the looks we get.
>
> I made the last batch of formula today and added extra water so that he
> won't be as satisfied. I actually force fed him tiny bits of turkey
> canned kitten food and he was able to "process" it just fine. There is
> nothing wrong with his swallowing.
>
> I'm not that sure about his ability to lap. He hasn't a clue what to do
> with water in a dish. I put his little face in it and he put his little
> paw in it and jumped a mile. He is now in his bed sulking about the
> mistreatment.
>
> I can't keep this cat and I have to make him adoptable. Short of cutting
> his formula to make him hungry, I'm at a loss.

Use a syringe to give him water and ground food, vs a bottle.

Bryan wrote:
>
> On Dec 3, 11:03 am, Gary > wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > > You wear clothes to bed? <ducking and running>
> >
> > > Jill
> >
> > Darnit all...now she's going to have me thinking about her sleeping naked
> > and I won't get any sleep!
> >
> > :-O
>
> Hot for Jill, eh? Maybe thinking about me sleeping naked will cool
> you down. Heck, I often post here naked.

Geez! - More info than we needed to hear.
Thanks Bryan. Your highly disturbing post just ended my sex thoughts for
about a week or more.

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> answers a lot of those cranky posts she makes, Lee


I have no idea what you're talking about or who you are replying to. For a
long time I've defended your newsreader and your top posting but it's
getting difficult to follow your threads. Perhaps your program could at
least trim posts so we know who you're replying to?

Jill

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> So what's "TNR"?
>
> --
> Dan Abel
>
Trap, neuter, release. It's to discourage feral colonies of cats from
breeding yet more homeless cats. Vets often participate in free
neutering/spaying projects. If they can't rehome the cats they can at least
help keep the feral cat population down.

Jill

no and have him choke, most cats don't do well with force feeding, Lee
"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>> Can we get back to the cat, please?
>>
>> He hit over one pound today. He was barely half a pound on the day
>> before Thanksgiving when we took him home. He seems to be thriving,
>> growing, playing and doing everything a little cat does, but eating
>> solids.
>>
>> We tried making a gruel and even putting it into his bottle but he is
>> insulted by our efforts. You wouldn't believe the looks we get.
>>
>> I made the last batch of formula today and added extra water so that he
>> won't be as satisfied. I actually force fed him tiny bits of turkey
>> canned kitten food and he was able to "process" it just fine. There is
>> nothing wrong with his swallowing.
>>
>> I'm not that sure about his ability to lap. He hasn't a clue what to do
>> with water in a dish. I put his little face in it and he put his little
>> paw in it and jumped a mile. He is now in his bed sulking about the
>> mistreatment.
>>
>> I can't keep this cat and I have to make him adoptable. Short of cutting
>> his formula to make him hungry, I'm at a loss.
>
> Use a syringe to give him water and ground food, vs a bottle.

i was referring to sf, seems to me that sleeping in to many clothes clogs
the mind, Lee


"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> answers a lot of those cranky posts she makes, Lee
>
>
> I have no idea what you're talking about or who you are replying to. For
> a long time I've defended your newsreader and your top posting but it's
> getting difficult to follow your threads. Perhaps your program could at
> least trim posts so we know who you're replying to?
>
> Jill

On Dec 4, 12:06*pm, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> no and have him choke, most cats don't do well with force feeding, Lee
>
>
>
> "Gary" > wrote in ....
> > Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> >> Can we get back to the cat, please?
>
> >> He hit over one pound today. *He was barely half a pound on the day
> >> before Thanksgiving when we took him home. *He seems to be thriving,
> >> growing, playing and doing everything a little cat does, but eating
> >> solids.
>
> >> We tried making a gruel and even putting it into his bottle but he is
> >> insulted by our efforts. *You wouldn't believe the looks we get.
>
> >> I made the last batch of formula today and added extra water so that he
> >> won't be as satisfied. *I actually force fed him tiny bits of turkey
> >> canned kitten food and he was able to "process" it just fine. There is
> >> nothing wrong with his swallowing.
>
> >> I'm not that sure about his ability to lap. *He hasn't a clue what to do
> >> with water in a dish. I put his little face in it and he put his little
> >> paw in it and jumped a mile. He is now in his bed sulking about the
> >> mistreatment.
>
> >> I can't keep this cat and I have to make him adoptable. Short of cutting
> >> his formula to make him hungry, I'm at a loss.
>
> > Use a syringe to give him water and ground food, vs a bottle.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Useless ****.

On Dec 4, 12:13*pm, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> i was referring to sf, seems to me that sleeping in to many clothes clogs
> the mind, Lee
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> answers a lot of those cranky posts she makes, Lee
>
> > I have no idea what you're talking about or who you are replying to. *For
> > a long time I've defended your newsreader and your top posting but it's
> > getting difficult to follow your threads. *Perhaps your program could at
> > least trim posts so we know who you're replying to?
>
> > Jill- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Useless ****.

On 12/3/2011 10:45 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Dec 3, 8:32 pm, Janet > wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Lee. I'll get some baby meat tomorrow. Maybe lamb because
>> that's the smelliest meat.
>
> get a plate put some water or milk on it and put him in the plate,
> most kittens and puppies learn to eat as well as drink when they are
> being weaned by you is licking their feet.
>

I will try that. Thanks.

He likes to suck on the palm of DH's hand, so he put some kitten food in
his hand and the little guy lapped it up. I tried mixing kitten milk
and turkey kitten food and I put some to his little mouth on a spoon.
He licked it right up. There is no question as to his ability to lap.
He needs time and patience.

I have cut the kitten formula considerably with water as I'm worried
that he might dehydrate and he will not lap liquids, even the formula.
So for the time being when he's hungry, he has to deal with food before
bottle.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 04:49:02 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

>a couple of other things i thought of, if you cut his formula don't make it
>thinner, keep the strength the same but give him less, if you thin it the
>water will fill his belly and he might not get a hunger signal as redily
>also you might consider putting some of the baby food on the top of one paw,
>if his other developement is on schedule he is probably washing himself so
>he is licking his fur, if there is a bit of something messing up his paw he
>will probably try and wash it off, so he will at least be getting used to
>food in his mouth, but be careful not too much or he will fling it off and
>everywhere when he shakes his paw. Lee

Way back when--- I had cats that needed some medication, and that was
what the vet suggested. These were grown cats. Put the dollop of
stuff on top of one paw and sure enough the cat licked it off.

I just love all the cat threads here, being a cat lover myself and
every one is so smart! Amazing. (I ran a small Humane Society in the
70s and the awareness since then, at least in RFC--- is remarkable!)

aloha,
Cea

"jmcquown" wrote:
>"Storrmmee" wrote:
>>
>> answers a lot of those cranky posts she makes, Lee
>
>
>I have no idea what you're talking about or who you are replying to. For a
>long time I've defended your newsreader and your top posting but it's
>getting difficult to follow your threads. Perhaps your program could at
>least trim posts so we know who you're replying to?

Add an App to "TNR".

ImStillMags wrote:
>
> get a plate put some water or milk on it and put him in the plate.

Works every time but something a bit heartier:
http://i40.tinypic.com/4t0dx4.jpg

i don't know nearly as much as i would like but i do try and remember things
especially problem solvers, when a cat is happy and healty they are so
little work that knowing how to solve problems makes the not so good times
easier. I could never run a shelter it would rip out my heart, Lee
"pure kona" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 04:49:02 -0600, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>>a couple of other things i thought of, if you cut his formula don't make
>>it
>>thinner, keep the strength the same but give him less, if you thin it the
>>water will fill his belly and he might not get a hunger signal as redily
>>also you might consider putting some of the baby food on the top of one
>>paw,
>>if his other developement is on schedule he is probably washing himself so
>>he is licking his fur, if there is a bit of something messing up his paw
>>he
>>will probably try and wash it off, so he will at least be getting used to
>>food in his mouth, but be careful not too much or he will fling it off and
>>everywhere when he shakes his paw. Lee
>
> Way back when--- I had cats that needed some medication, and that was
> what the vet suggested. These were grown cats. Put the dollop of
> stuff on top of one paw and sure enough the cat licked it off.
>
> I just love all the cat threads here, being a cat lover myself and
> every one is so smart! Amazing. (I ran a small Humane Society in the
> 70s and the awareness since then, at least in RFC--- is remarkable!)
>
> aloha,
> Cea

On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 17:43:18 -0600, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>Can we get back to the cat, please?
>
>He hit over one pound today. He was barely half a pound on the day
>before Thanksgiving when we took him home. He seems to be thriving,
>growing, playing and doing everything a little cat does, but eating solids.
>
>We tried making a gruel and even putting it into his bottle but he is
>insulted by our efforts. You wouldn't believe the looks we get.
>
>I made the last batch of formula today and added extra water so that he
>won't be as satisfied. I actually force fed him tiny bits of turkey
>canned kitten food and he was able to "process" it just fine. There is
>nothing wrong with his swallowing.
>
>I'm not that sure about his ability to lap. He hasn't a clue what to do
>with water in a dish. I put his little face in it and he put his little
>paw in it and jumped a mile. He is now in his bed sulking about the
>mistreatment.
>
>I can't keep this cat and I have to make him adoptable. Short of cutting
>his formula to make him hungry, I'm at a loss.

Given how tiny he was when you got him, and that was only a week ago,
he's just not old enough to be eating solids yet. He doesn't know what
to do with a bowl of food because he's still expecting to be drinking
from his mama... only the poor little guy doesn't have one, so a
bottle of kitten formula is the next best thing. Why the big hurry to
try to wean him?

On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:43:12 -0700, Pennyaline
> wrote:

>> The cat on the television set. Where the penguin used to be.
>>
>> -- Dr. Bloody Barnovski
>
>
>It's "Dr. Bloody Bronowski," referencing Jacob Bronowski and the series
>The Ascent of Man.

Ah, thank you for the correction.

Now go listen to the Python recording again, following which you may feel like
apologizing (or apologising, if you're of that persuasion).

-- Larry (who knows very well who Jacob Bronowski is)

On 12/4/2011 8:01 PM, wrote:

> Now go listen to the Python recording again, following which you may feel like
> apologizing (or apologising, if you're of that persuasion).
>

No, I won't listen to the recording and I won't feel like apologizing,
because I took the correction straight from the TV episode.

On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 20:54:15 -0700, Pennyaline
> wrote:

>> Now go listen to the Python recording again, following which you may feel like
>> apologizing (or apologising, if you're of that persuasion).
>
>No, I won't listen to the recording and I won't feel like apologizing,
>because I took the correction straight from the TV episode.

Then you should have your hearing checked.

-- Larry

On 12/4/2011 9:31 PM, wrote:

> Then you should have your hearing checked.

Uh, no, I'm afraid not. They very clearly say "Bronowski," both of them.

<"Burma!">

On Dec 4, 11:01*pm, Bryan > wrote:
....
> Cats are not evolved to eat corn. *I didn't know this stuff
> 12 years ago when a much loved cat developed diabetes. *I lovingly
> gave her insulin
> shots, and she lovingly approached me to ask for her shot.
....

Now I know you are delusional!! Anthropomorphizing much? Cats have not
evolved to, nor to they possess the cognitive ability to understand
that a painful shot is good for their health!

John Kuthe...

On Dec 4, 9:50*am, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> On 12/3/2011 10:45 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
> > On Dec 3, 8:32 pm, Janet > *wrote:
>
> >> Thanks, Lee. *I'll get some baby meat tomorrow. Maybe lamb because
> >> that's the smelliest meat.
>
> > get a plate put some water or milk on it and put him in the plate,
> > most kittens and puppies learn to eat as well as drink when they are
> > being weaned by you is licking their feet.
>
> I will try that. *Thanks.
>
> He likes to suck on the palm of DH's hand, so he put some kitten food in
> his hand and the little guy lapped it up. *I tried mixing kitten milk
> and turkey kitten food and I put some to his little mouth on a spoon.
> He licked it right up. *There is no question as to his ability to lap.
> He needs time and patience.
>
> I have cut the kitten formula considerably with water as I'm worried
> that he might dehydrate and he will not lap liquids, even the formula.
> So for the time being when he's hungry, he has to deal with food before
> bottle.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. *Cooking does.

Janet,

I posted with advice last night, but don't know if you saw it in the
muddle of this thread.

Please reconsider the decision to cut the formula with more water - he
absolutely needs all the calories and vitamins in the formula until
he's fully weaned. In fostering, that's always the priority, not
rushing into weaning.

To cut his calories and fill him up on water at this young age is
truly playing with fire health-wise. Kittens require a high calorie
diet - that's why there's special kitten formula & wet food - it's
more than just a matter of texture.

Offer the wet kitten food mixed with formula first, but then also
offer him his regular, full strength formula - even if he's eaten some
wet food...when he's full, he'll stop eating. The poor little guy has
already been through a lot of trauma in his short life and probably
needs those secure, loving moments of bottle feeding a lot more than
he needs to be starved into weaning.

When he's ready to be weaned, he'll start to reject the bottle and
show real interest in the wet food...just keep offering it. It'll
happen very soon - trust me.

Good Luck ;-)
Nancy

On 12/4/2011 2:31 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> i don't know nearly as much as i would like but i do try and remember things
> especially problem solvers, when a cat is happy and healty they are so
> little work that knowing how to solve problems makes the not so good times
> easier. I could never run a shelter it would rip out my heart, Lee

DH is really bonding with this little kitty. It's gonna be tough to let
him go. He's much more affectionate and calmer than the black and white guy.

I think the Poodle will miss him, too. When we give up trying to feed
the kitten other than nursing, the Poodle licks him clean.

I don't know what it is with dogs and cat food, but they think cat food
is a grand treat. It's like us going out for Chinese food, I guess.
--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:43:12 -0700, Pennyaline
> > wrote:
>
>>> The cat on the television set. Where the penguin used to be.
>>>
>>> -- Dr. Bloody Barnovski
>>
>>
>>It's "Dr. Bloody Bronowski," referencing Jacob Bronowski and the series
>>The Ascent of Man.
>
> Ah, thank you for the correction.
>
> Now go listen to the Python recording again, following which you may feel
> like
> apologizing (or apologising, if you're of that persuasion).
>
> -- Larry (who knows very well who Jacob Bronowski is)

I would have to agree with Bronowski
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTqC2T6q4E at about 3:45 if you don't want
to see the whole sketch.

Mike

Bloke Down The Pub wrote:

> wrote in message
>
>>On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:43:12 -0700, Pennyaline wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>The cat on the television set. Where the penguin used to be.
>>>>
>>>>-- Dr. Bloody Barnovski
>>>
>>>
>>>It's "Dr. Bloody Bronowski," referencing Jacob Bronowski and the series
>>>The Ascent of Man.
>>
>>Ah, thank you for the correction.
>>
>>Now go listen to the Python recording again, following which you may feel
>>like
>>apologizing (or apologising, if you're of that persuasion).
>>
>>-- Larry (who knows very well who Jacob Bronowski is)
>
>
> I would have to agree with Bronowski
>
> Mike
>
>


"Sondhiem!!!....Send In The Clowns!!!!"....
--
JL

i don't know about shots, but i have one that takes thyroid meds, she
approaches not so lovingly and cranks until i get up and get her pill, why
oh wy i picked early morning for this i will never know, Lee
"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 4, 11:01 pm, Bryan > wrote:
....
> Cats are not evolved to eat corn. I didn't know this stuff
> 12 years ago when a much loved cat developed diabetes. I lovingly
> gave her insulin
> shots, and she lovingly approached me to ask for her shot.
....

Now I know you are delusional!! Anthropomorphizing much? Cats have not
evolved to, nor to they possess the cognitive ability to understand
that a painful shot is good for their health!

John Kuthe...

some dogs are natural fosters, i hope you get him weaned and happily
adopted, Lee
"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
b.com...
> On 12/4/2011 2:31 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> i don't know nearly as much as i would like but i do try and remember
>> things
>> especially problem solvers, when a cat is happy and healty they are so
>> little work that knowing how to solve problems makes the not so good
>> times
>> easier. I could never run a shelter it would rip out my heart, Lee
>
> DH is really bonding with this little kitty. It's gonna be tough to let
> him go. He's much more affectionate and calmer than the black and white
> guy.
>
> I think the Poodle will miss him, too. When we give up trying to feed the
> kitten other than nursing, the Poodle licks him clean.
>
> I don't know what it is with dogs and cat food, but they think cat food is
> a grand treat. It's like us going out for Chinese food, I guess.
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Dec 5, 4:53*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> i don't know about shots, but i have one that takes thyroid meds, she
> approaches not so lovingly and cranks until i get up and get her pill, why
> oh wy i picked early morning for this i will never know, Lee

Do you give her the pill in a treat? Aha!!!

John Kuthe...

not as a treat at all, it seems to be very fast acting, and if you talk to
anyone who has taken tapazol, its extremely bitter and tastes plain out
nasty, but it seems to be very fast acting and i assume she has associated
taking the pill with feeeling better, just before i came to the computer i
gave it to her, and she was cranking so loud that i set the phone down to
give it to her to shut her up. she is now sleeping on the couch... if it
were wrapped in something or came with food i might agree with you, i am
pleased to say the new pill has a coating that makes it easier for her to
get down, the old ones were really harsh. Lee
"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 4:53 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> i don't know about shots, but i have one that takes thyroid meds, she
> approaches not so lovingly and cranks until i get up and get her pill, why
> oh wy i picked early morning for this i will never know, Lee

Do you give her the pill in a treat? Aha!!!

John Kuthe...

In article m>,
says...
>
> On 12/4/2011 2:31 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> > i don't know nearly as much as i would like but i do try and remember things
> > especially problem solvers, when a cat is happy and healty they are so
> > little work that knowing how to solve problems makes the not so good times
> > easier. I could never run a shelter it would rip out my heart, Lee
>
> DH is really bonding with this little kitty. It's gonna be tough to let
> him go. He's much more affectionate and calmer than the black and white guy.
>
> I think the Poodle will miss him, too. When we give up trying to feed
> the kitten other than nursing, the Poodle licks him clean.
>
> I don't know what it is with dogs and cat food, but they think cat food
> is a grand treat. It's like us going out for Chinese food, I guess.

Well of course they do. Dogs have long been man's servant, cats were
once gods. Neither dogs nor cats have forgotten this, and what servant
wouldn't go for the food of the gods if offered?

On 12/4/2011 11:54 PM, ntantiques wrote:
> On Dec 4, 9:50 am, Janet > wrote:
>> On 12/3/2011 10:45 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 8:32 pm, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>>> Thanks, Lee. I'll get some baby meat tomorrow. Maybe lamb because
>>>> that's the smelliest meat.
>>
>>> get a plate put some water or milk on it and put him in the plate,
>>> most kittens and puppies learn to eat as well as drink when they are
>>> being weaned by you is licking their feet.
>>
>> I will try that. Thanks.
>>
>> He likes to suck on the palm of DH's hand, so he put some kitten food in
>> his hand and the little guy lapped it up. I tried mixing kitten milk
>> and turkey kitten food and I put some to his little mouth on a spoon.
>> He licked it right up. There is no question as to his ability to lap.
>> He needs time and patience.
>>
>> I have cut the kitten formula considerably with water as I'm worried
>> that he might dehydrate and he will not lap liquids, even the formula.
>> So for the time being when he's hungry, he has to deal with food before
>> bottle.
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>> Way-the-heck-south Texas
>> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
>
> Janet,
>
> I posted with advice last night, but don't know if you saw it in the
> muddle of this thread.
>
> Please reconsider the decision to cut the formula with more water - he
> absolutely needs all the calories and vitamins in the formula until
> he's fully weaned. In fostering, that's always the priority, not
> rushing into weaning.
>
> To cut his calories and fill him up on water at this young age is
> truly playing with fire health-wise. Kittens require a high calorie
> diet - that's why there's special kitten formula& wet food - it's
> more than just a matter of texture.
>
> Offer the wet kitten food mixed with formula first, but then also
> offer him his regular, full strength formula - even if he's eaten some
> wet food...when he's full, he'll stop eating. The poor little guy has
> already been through a lot of trauma in his short life and probably
> needs those secure, loving moments of bottle feeding a lot more than
> he needs to be starved into weaning.
>
> When he's ready to be weaned, he'll start to reject the bottle and
> show real interest in the wet food...just keep offering it. It'll
> happen very soon - trust me.
>
> Good Luck ;-)
> Nancy

Thanks, Nancy. I did see your post. We are going to get more kitten
formula today. DH is going to see if the shelter has some as we've
already bought two cans and it's not inexpensive. The two kittens have
cost us well over $200 with stuff, food and vet bills.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.