On 12/5/2011 8:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In aweb.com>,
> says...
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 2:31 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>>> i don't know nearly as much as i would like but i do try and remember things
>>> especially problem solvers, when a cat is happy and healty they are so
>>> little work that knowing how to solve problems makes the not so good times
>>> easier. I could never run a shelter it would rip out my heart, Lee
>>
>> DH is really bonding with this little kitty. It's gonna be tough to let
>> him go. He's much more affectionate and calmer than the black and white guy.
>>
>> I think the Poodle will miss him, too. When we give up trying to feed
>> the kitten other than nursing, the Poodle licks him clean.
>>
>> I don't know what it is with dogs and cat food, but they think cat food
>> is a grand treat. It's like us going out for Chinese food, I guess.
>
> Well of course they do. Dogs have long been man's servant, cats were
> once gods. Neither dogs nor cats have forgotten this, and what servant
> wouldn't go for the food of the gods if offered?
>
>
LOL!

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Dec 5, 8:04*am, "J. Clarke" > wrote:
> In article m>,
> says...
>
>
>
> > On 12/4/2011 2:31 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> > > i don't know nearly as much as i would like but i do try and remember things
> > > especially problem solvers, when a cat is happy and healty they are so
> > > little work that knowing how to solve problems makes the not so good times
> > > easier. *I could never run a shelter it would rip out my heart, Lee
>
> > DH is really bonding with this little kitty. *It's gonna be tough to let
> > him go. He's much more affectionate and calmer than the black and white guy.
>
> > I think the Poodle will miss him, too. When we give up trying to feed
> > the kitten other than nursing, the Poodle licks him clean.
>
> > I don't know what it is with dogs and cat food, but they think cat food
> > is a grand treat. *It's like us going out for Chinese food, I guess.
>
> Well of course they do. *Dogs have long been man's servant, cats were
> once gods. *Neither dogs nor cats have forgotten this, and what servant
> wouldn't go for the food of the gods if offered?

Actually, I think dogs like cat food so much because it's high in
protein. As Bryan keeps beating us over the head with, cats are
"obligate carnivores", IOW they are used to/prefer to eat animal flesh/
protein. I think more than any other food group, proteins are the most
ideal foods. I know the human body can synthesize just about any
nutrient it needs given the correct mix of proteins. Hence it is YUM
to us. I'd imagine dogs are similar.

John Kuthe...

On 2011-12-05, J. Clarke > wrote:

> Well of course they do. Dogs have long been man's servant, cats were
> once gods. Neither dogs nor cats have forgotten this, and what servant
> wouldn't go for the food of the gods if offered?

Cute.

OTOH, both god and servant will end up on the chopping block if the
vet bill is $1300 and I need a new transmission to get to work.

nb

well that about sums it up, lol, Lee
"J. Clarke" > wrote in message
in.local...
> In article m>,
> says...
>>
>> On 12/4/2011 2:31 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
>> > i don't know nearly as much as i would like but i do try and remember
>> > things
>> > especially problem solvers, when a cat is happy and healty they are so
>> > little work that knowing how to solve problems makes the not so good
>> > times
>> > easier. I could never run a shelter it would rip out my heart, Lee
>>
>> DH is really bonding with this little kitty. It's gonna be tough to let
>> him go. He's much more affectionate and calmer than the black and white
>> guy.
>>
>> I think the Poodle will miss him, too. When we give up trying to feed
>> the kitten other than nursing, the Poodle licks him clean.
>>
>> I don't know what it is with dogs and cat food, but they think cat food
>> is a grand treat. It's like us going out for Chinese food, I guess.
>
> Well of course they do. Dogs have long been man's servant, cats were
> once gods. Neither dogs nor cats have forgotten this, and what servant
> wouldn't go for the food of the gods if offered?
>
>

On Dec 5, 8:55*am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2011-12-05, J. Clarke > wrote:
>
> > Well of course they do. *Dogs have long been man's servant, cats were
> > once gods. *Neither dogs nor cats have forgotten this, and what servant
> > wouldn't go for the food of the gods if offered?
>
> Cute. *
>
> OTOH, both god and servant will end up on the chopping block if the
> vet bill is $1300 and I need a new transmission to get to work.
>
> nb

There are gods and then there are GODS, eh notbob? ;-)

John Kuthe...

while this a practicle choice that sometimes to be made, and everyone knows
it, it seems a particularily vulgar thing to post seeing as how this thread
is about rescuing a kitten, Lee
"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...
On Dec 5, 8:55 am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2011-12-05, J. Clarke > wrote:
>
> > Well of course they do. Dogs have long been man's servant, cats were
> > once gods. Neither dogs nor cats have forgotten this, and what servant
> > wouldn't go for the food of the gods if offered?
>
> Cute.
>
> OTOH, both god and servant will end up on the chopping block if the
> vet bill is $1300 and I need a new transmission to get to work.
>
> nb

There are gods and then there are GODS, eh notbob? ;-)

John Kuthe...

The shelter gave me a pint of frozen goat's milk fortified with some
stuff that is supposed to be good for animals. I've got the container
in a bowl of water trying to defrost it. I'll mix it in with what's
left of the watery formula and see how he likes it.

He seems to want to suck a lot. He latches onto DH's hand or fingers and
sucks away. I'm wondering it they make kitten pacifiers.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Bryan > wrote:

> Explain why cats eat grass.


A cat is a carnivore, but say if a cat eats a rabbit, that rabbit
might be full of grass it just ate. So cats are nartually used
to getting some fiber in their diet.

Some special-diet cat foods contain extra fiber, and it is sometimes
necessary to add fiber to a cat's diet. This is true for one of
my two cats presently.


Steve

yes its called, "finger" or "earlobe" or "hand of human", lol, Lee
"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> The shelter gave me a pint of frozen goat's milk fortified with some stuff
> that is supposed to be good for animals. I've got the container in a bowl
> of water trying to defrost it. I'll mix it in with what's left of the
> watery formula and see how he likes it.
>
> He seems to want to suck a lot. He latches onto DH's hand or fingers and
> sucks away. I'm wondering it they make kitten pacifiers.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Bryan wrote:
>
> Explain why cats eat grass.

Cats instinctively ingest a certain amount plant fiber regulary to aid
in their passing hairballs... same as you only in your case you're
naturally full of shit... probably more productive to just squeeze
your head.

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 00:04:35 -0600, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>On 12/4/2011 2:31 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
kitten other than nursing, the Poodle licks him clean.
>
>I don't know what it is with dogs and cat food, but they think cat food
>is a grand treat. It's like us going out for Chinese food, I guess.

Dogs do love cat food. They do "tricks" for cat food.

OT I have a young wild rooster whose one "wrist" appears to be broken.
I know he won't be around for ever, but I do feed Hoppy some cat food
each day, thinking he can not scratch for bugs and he needs the
protein. Only Science Diet for Hoppy. (I do have to fend off the
other wild chickens with a water squirt bottle while Hoppy frantically
eats cat food- oh my!)

aloha,
Cea

On Dec 1, 5:27*pm, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> and iirc he trotted out all of this propaganda the last kitten you had,
> seems since he has nothing of value to contribute he insists on being a
> schill for the priceir cat foods, wonder if he has stock or is really that
> stupid?

If you know what "shill" means, you are accusing me of having a
financial
interest in a pet food company, which is not true. Do you think that
Wikipedia is incorrect to call cats "obligate carnivores"? You also
do not
recall correctly, as I only discovered this recently, several weeks
ago.

>Lee"


Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>
> b.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12/1/2011 8:08 AM, Bryan wrote:
>
> >> There's no good reason to ever feed it kibble, unless it's that you
> >> can't afford
> >> canned food. *Cat's really aren't suited to live on high gluten corn
> >> meal or other starchy stuff:
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivo...ate_carnivores
>
> > Bryan, we are not keeping the cat, we are just fostering it. Most people
> > who adopt animals from the Humane Society Shelter here are not well off..
> > They appreciate an animal that eats dry food.
>
> > Our Toy Poodle is on a special dry dog food that does not contain corn and
> > is not high in starch.

Most dogs do OK with starch, as they aren't obligate carnivores, but
if the dog
is exhibiting symptoms of diabetes, low starch is the way to go. With
cats, wet
food is cheaper than the low carb dry food, which is more convenient.
>
> > --
> > Janet Wilder

--Bryan

On Dec 5, 8:25*pm, Bryan > wrote:
....
> interest in a pet food company, which is not true. *Do you think that
> Wikipedia is incorrect to call cats "obligate carnivores"? *You also
> do not
> recall correctly, as I only discovered this recently, several weeks
> ago.
....

I can tell! That you learned the phrase "obligate carnivores" recently
I mean! Because you keep beating everyone over the head with it in
the most bombastic of ways!!



> Most dogs do OK with starch, as they aren't obligate carnivores, but
....

SEE??!!

I think it should be the name of your next band! The Obligate
Carnivores!! ;-)

John Kuthe...

On Dec 5, 7:47*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> not as a treat at all, it seems to be very fast acting, and if you talk to
> anyone who has taken tapazol, its extremely bitter and tastes plain out
> nasty, but it seems to be very fast acting and i assume she has associated
> taking the pill with feeeling better, just before i came to the computer i
> gave it to her, and she was cranking so loud that i set the phone down to
> give it to her to shut her up. she is now sleeping on the couch... if it
> were wrapped in something or came with food i might agree with you, i am
> pleased to say the new pill has a coating that makes it easier for her to
> get down, the old ones were really harsh.

John, disregard this anecdote because Lee just likes me and made this
up
to support my claim...Oh, wait...
Abigail DID INDEED "ask" for her shot because she associated it with
feeling
better.

> Lee

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Dec 5, 4:53 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
> > i don't know about shots, but i have one that takes thyroid meds, she
> > approaches not so lovingly and cranks until i get up and get her pill, why
> > oh wy i picked early morning for this i will never know, Lee
>
> Do you give her the pill in a treat? Aha!!!
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:38:11 -1000, pure kona
> wrote:

> I have a bag of Science Diet's <Nature's Best> right here and let me
> cite you the ingredients in their order on the bag: Ocean Fish, Maize
> Gluten Meal, Brewers Rice, Brown Rice, Animal Fat, Cracked Pearl
> Barley, Dried Egg product, Chicken Meal, Soy Protein isolate,Flaxseed,
> Whole Grain Oats, Cranberries, Apples....etc.
>
> Not just corn! My cats love it and won't eat anything else and
> haven't for about 5 years.

A vet told me a long time ago that the important ingredients to look
for in pet food are wheat or corn (which make up the base) and warned
me to expect diarrhea for a few days when switching them from one type
to the other.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Dec 5, 2:16*pm, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> yes its called, "finger" or "earlobe" or "hand of human", lol, Lee"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>
> eb.com...
>
>
>
> > The shelter gave me a pint of frozen goat's milk fortified with some stuff
> > that is supposed to be good for animals. *I've got the container in a bowl
> > of water trying to defrost it. *I'll mix it in with what's left of the
> > watery formula and see how he likes it.
>
> > He seems to want to suck a lot. He latches onto DH's hand or fingers and
> > sucks away. *I'm wondering it they make kitten pacifiers.
>
> > --
> > Janet Wilder
> > Way-the-heck-south Texas
> > Spelling doesn't count. *Cooking does.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Useless ****.

On Dec 5, 10:18*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> while this a practicle choice that sometimes to be made, and everyone knows
> it, it seems a particularily vulgar thing to post seeing as how this thread
> is about rescuing a kitten, Lee"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Dec 5, 8:55 am, notbob > wrote:
>
> > On 2011-12-05, J. Clarke > wrote:
>
> > > Well of course they do. Dogs have long been man's servant, cats were
> > > once gods. Neither dogs nor cats have forgotten this, and what servant
> > > wouldn't go for the food of the gods if offered?
>
> > Cute.
>
> > OTOH, both god and servant will end up on the chopping block if the
> > vet bill is $1300 and I need a new transmission to get to work.
>
> > nb
>
> There are gods and then there are GODS, eh notbob? ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...

Useless ****.

On Dec 5, 10:08*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> well that about sums it up, lol, Lee"J. Clarke" > wrote in message
>
> in.local...
>
>
>
> > In article m>,
> > says...
>
> >> On 12/4/2011 2:31 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> >> > i don't know nearly as much as i would like but i do try and remember
> >> > things
> >> > especially problem solvers, when a cat is happy and healty they are so
> >> > little work that knowing how to solve problems makes the not so good
> >> > times
> >> > easier. *I could never run a shelter it would rip out my heart, Lee
>
> >> DH is really bonding with this little kitty. *It's gonna be tough to let
> >> him go. He's much more affectionate and calmer than the black and white
> >> guy.
>
> >> I think the Poodle will miss him, too. When we give up trying to feed
> >> the kitten other than nursing, the Poodle licks him clean.
>
> >> I don't know what it is with dogs and cat food, but they think cat food
> >> is a grand treat. *It's like us going out for Chinese food, I guess.
>
> > Well of course they do. *Dogs have long been man's servant, cats were
> > once gods. *Neither dogs nor cats have forgotten this, and what servant
> > wouldn't go for the food of the gods if offered?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Useless ****.

On Dec 5, 8:47*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
> not as a treat at all, it seems to be very fast acting, and if you talk to
> anyone who has taken tapazol, its extremely bitter and tastes plain out
> nasty, but it seems to be very fast acting and i assume she has associated
> taking the pill with feeeling better, just before i came to the computer i
> gave it to her, and she was cranking so loud that i set the phone down to
> give it to her to shut her up. she is now sleeping on the couch... if it
> were wrapped in something or came with food i might agree with you, i am
> pleased to say the new pill has a coating that makes it easier for her to
> get down, the old ones were really harsh. *Lee"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Dec 5, 4:53 am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:
>
> > i don't know about shots, but i have one that takes thyroid meds, she
> > approaches not so lovingly and cranks until i get up and get her pill, why
> > oh wy i picked early morning for this i will never know, Lee
>
> Do you give her the pill in a treat? Aha!!!
>
> John Kuthe...

Useless ****.

On Dec 5, 2:23*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
>
> > Explain why cats eat grass.
>
> Cats instinctively ingest a certain amount plant fiber regulary to aid
> in their passing hairballs... same as you only in your case you're
> naturally full of shit... probably more productive to just squeeze
> your head.

You acted like I had said that. Sloppy.

--Bryan

On Dec 5, 10:27*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> On Dec 5, 2:23*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
> > Bryan wrote:
>
> > > Explain why cats eat grass.
>
> > Cats instinctively ingest a certain amount plant fiber regulary to aid
> > in their passing hairballs... same as you only in your case you're
> > naturally full of shit... probably more productive to just squeeze
> > your head.
>
> You acted like I had said that. *Sloppy.
>
> --Bryan

Wipe the *** off your lips.

On Dec 5, 8:57*pm, sf > wrote:
....
>
> A vet told me a long time ago that the important ingredients to look
> for in pet food are wheat or corn (which make up the base) and warned
> me to expect diarrhea for a few days when switching them from one type
> to the other.
>
> --
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Oh, but Bryan will tell you, the Vet is bought and sold by the pet
food manufacturer!

And of course he's not sold to anyone one, and had Wikipedia at his
fingertips. And since cats are OBLIGATE CARNIVORES, they should eat
nothing but animal guts!

;-)

John Kuthe...

In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 00:04:35 -0600, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
> >On 12/4/2011 2:31 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> kitten other than nursing, the Poodle licks him clean.
> >
> >I don't know what it is with dogs and cat food, but they think cat food
> >is a grand treat. It's like us going out for Chinese food, I guess.
>
> Dogs do love cat food. They do "tricks" for cat food.
>
> OT I have a young wild rooster whose one "wrist" appears to be broken.
> I know he won't be around for ever, but I do feed Hoppy some cat food
> each day, thinking he can not scratch for bugs and he needs the
> protein. Only Science Diet for Hoppy. (I do have to fend off the
> other wild chickens with a water squirt bottle while Hoppy frantically
> eats cat food- oh my!)

Many years ago my live-in insisted on getting a rabbit. Momcat had just
had kittens so the rabbit grew up with the kittens and seemed to think
it was a cat. The rabbit would fight the cats for cat food and the only
way to get it to eat rabbit food was to cage it until it ate.

John Kuthe > wrote:
>Bryan > wrote:
>...
>> interest in a pet food company, which is not true. *Do you think that
>> Wikipedia is incorrect to call cats "obligate carnivores"? *You also
>> do not
>> recall correctly, as I only discovered this recently, several weeks
>> ago.
>...
>
>I can tell! That you learned the phrase "obligate carnivores" recently
>I mean! Because you keep beating everyone over the head with it in
>the most bombastic of ways!!
>
>> Most dogs do OK with starch, as they aren't obligate carnivores, but
>...
>
>SEE??!!
>
>I think it should be the name of your next band! The Obligate
>Assholes!! ;-)
>
>John Kuthe...

Close but no cigar. LOL

On Dec 6, 12:58*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
....

> Close but no cigar. LOL

Forge my quoted posts much, Sheldon? ;-)

John Kuthe...

Bryan wrote:
> Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
> but excessive carbs make the development of feline diabetes far more
> likely, and are
> downright bad if the cat has actually started to develop diabetes.

Which is true in humans as well. But humans often eat a much higher
carb diet than cats for much longer. The only downside to feeding a cat
low carb food that I know of is higher price. Or am I missing cleaner
teeth? Not sure how that works in the wild as carby food tends to screw
up teeth in both humans and cats in the first place.

>> One implication is the food they are evolved to eat contains some amount
>> of indigestible roughage. *Humans have intestinal bacteria that can
>> digest soluble fiber so we get some amount of nutition from this
>> roughage.
>
> Very little because those bacteria don't make any appreciable amount
> available as free glucose to be absorbed by the large intestine. It
> does contribute calorically during the colder times of the year, since
> the heat produced by the microbes' metabolism does not have to be
> spent by the person in powering muscle to generate warmth. The
> flatulence from ingesting a bunch of soluble fiber is given off by
> those bacteria as they feast on the fiber.

The most common estimate I've seen is that humans absorb about half of
the calories from the soluble fiber that our intestinal bacteria digest.
We get it as "short chain fatty acids" whatever that means. Something
like lactic acid that can be used as an entry point in the Krebs cycle
I think. Digesting soluble fiber is beneficial to both the bacteria and
the human. It's how symbiosis is supposed to work.

On Dec 7, 1:56*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
....
> Or am I missing cleaner
> teeth? *Not sure how that works in the wild as carby food tends to screw
> up teeth in both humans and cats in the first place.
....

One idea! Carbs and starches get stuck in and on teeth. Saliva
converts starch to sugar, carbs pretty much are sugar, bacterias eat
sugar, bacteria by products destroy tooth enamel...

Just a thought.

John Kuthe...

On 12/6/2011 6:56 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


> Many years ago my live-in insisted on getting a rabbit. Momcat had just
> had kittens so the rabbit grew up with the kittens and seemed to think
> it was a cat. The rabbit would fight the cats for cat food and the only
> way to get it to eat rabbit food was to cage it until it ate.
>
>
>

That is just too cute!