On Dec 7, 12:54*am, (Steve Pope) wrote:

> On the rest of the above, I see smartphones as encouraging people
> to take public transit to work, or to play, because that way
> they are not driving and can remain glued to the smartphone, where
> they can text, facebook, and maybe even work.
>
> I was taking Amtrak one hour each way to work last month, many
> riders there were social-networking the entire time. *The oddballs --
> gamers, laptop users, or persons like me simply listening to the
> radio -- are fewer and fewer.


Yep, it doesn't take long to become obsolete in this fast-moving
world. I kind of like the feeling. Sometimes.

TJ

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:00:45 +1100, Krypsis >
wrote:

> On 7/12/2011 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:32:50 +1100, >
> > wrote:
> >
<snip>
>
> Not too sure about how you check but my phone, a Nokia 6300, has an
> option to move contacts under;
>
> >contacts>move contacts>From phone to sim>
>
> or
>
> >contacts>move contacts>From sim to phone>
>
> There is also an option to "copy contacts" but that creates duplicates
> which make it a devil when looking up contacts. Best to move to one
> place or the other. I prefer the sim but I am unsure just how much
> memory space is available on the sim so some may find it inadequate.

I don't seem to have the option to move my contacts or to copy them,
hopefully my next phone will be able to do it.
> >
<snip>
> >
> Losing all your data just once will give your faith an incredible shake.
> I've been lucky never to have lost what I would consider critical data
> but then, I always have a backup or two of all important stuff.

I never knew it was even possible, so that's an option I can look for
in my next phone. Thanks.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Dec 6, 12:32*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> On Dec 6, 4:42*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
> > sure are. :-)
>
> * *Why would that bother anybody? *I love the landline. *I like the
> way the phone is cradled between the ear and shoulder as I'm lying in
> bed. *I can talk an hour and not feel like I'm working. *It's not that
> way with the cellphone. *Oh I know, now it's, "Well, if you don't like
> the way your fingers cramp up with the cellphone, why not get an ear
> bud or use a speaker phone?" *Yeah right. *The people I know who use
> the cellphone exclusively either don't know or don't care how *bad the
> sound quality is for the person on the other end of the line. *Maybe
> you're being sarcastic. *Is that what :-) means? *If not, I can't for
> the life of me see why anybody would be irritated by people who choose
> to retain some of the older things that for them are superior and
> still not completely obsolete. *That's not smug, that's just plain
> stupid.
>
> TJ

I saw a dock for an iPhone that allows people experience the thrill of
using a landline. Now you can talk for hours while twirling a real
curly cable in your fingers! I can imagine that they'll be selling
cell phones that look and feel and work just like landlines. Rotary
dial optional!

On Dec 6, 12:28*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> On Dec 6, 3:46*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > P.S., Using a cell phone doesn't make you smart or dumb - don't feel so
> > smug about it.
>
> * * * You got the wrong impression. *Maybe I subconsciously planned to
> give you that impression, I don't know - but I am not anti-cellphone
> or anti computer or anti any of the new things that come along and
> have come along since time began. *I am only saying that most people
> wind up being enslaved by their new toys. *Upgrades are constantly
> required. *New purchases. *I can't tell you the number of time I've
> heard people say they were lost without their computer or their
> cellphone. *Of course they'd get used to living without it in time, I
> know that. *And I'm not saying that people who rely on technology are
> automatically dumber, only it doesn't automatically make them smarter
> either. *But they think it does. *As far as I'm concerned, for most
> people the internet is merely an electronic version of the newspaper
> want ads. *Those who would have succeeded or failed using those older
> means will probably do the same today. *I own a few toys and would be
> a complete hypocrite to put them down. *I am not putting them or any
> new convenience down - only saying that in time - usually a not so
> very long time either - it stops being a convenience and becomes a
> necessity - and I for one despise necessity and will do whatever I can
> to remain free from being trapped by it. *Nothing smug about that.
> Yeah, I can see it now - the electricity goes down and even cellphone
> are affected at the source. *That's when someone yells, "Anybody got a
> pen and paper", and the pen & paper guy steps forward to save the
> day. *It doesn't have to be for or against with everything. *I'm not
> pro or con, just making comments. *Sometimes I don't know when to
> stop.
>
> That's it,
> TJ

We could get enslaved by the environment that computers and networks
and broadband create, I suppose. All this hasn't played out but it
will be interesting to see the changes that will ooccurring our
culture and society in just a few years.

I'm more of a traditionalist so I'm enslaved by things that I own and
I have that guitar player sickness - guitar accqusition syndrome. I
only own 7 at the moment so it's just a mild case. Some guys got it
just awful bad...

On 7/12/2011 6:56 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:00:45 +1100, >
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/12/2011 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:32:50 +1100, >
>>> wrote:
>>>
> <snip>
>>
>> Not too sure about how you check but my phone, a Nokia 6300, has an
>> option to move contacts under;
>>
>> >contacts>move contacts> From phone to sim>
>>
>> or
>>
>> >contacts>move contacts> From sim to phone>
>>
>> There is also an option to "copy contacts" but that creates duplicates
>> which make it a devil when looking up contacts. Best to move to one
>> place or the other. I prefer the sim but I am unsure just how much
>> memory space is available on the sim so some may find it inadequate.
>
> I don't seem to have the option to move my contacts or to copy them,
> hopefully my next phone will be able to do it.
>>>
> <snip>
>>>
>> Losing all your data just once will give your faith an incredible shake.
>> I've been lucky never to have lost what I would consider critical data
>> but then, I always have a backup or two of all important stuff.
>
> I never knew it was even possible, so that's an option I can look for
> in my next phone. Thanks.
>
Forewarned is forearmed.

--

Krypsis

sf wrote:
> Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
>> You have a very different experience with mobile phones than I do. Or
>> what i'd hear it's more like - You ___ a ver_ ____erent ex___ience with
>> mobile phones {pop} I {click}. All in a voice like metal as usual.
>
> Who is your carrier and which phone are you using?

Many different phones, carriers and geographies over the years. It's
like my body gives off anti-cell-phone rays or something. It's so bad
when my wife gets a call on her cell she'll start walking away from me
to get better reception.

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:32:50 +1100, Krypsis >
wrote:

>On 6/12/2011 8:56 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
><snipped>
>
>> planners. Then it hit me, as maybe it should have hit me earlier -
>> that the phone-number address book is hard to find these days because
>> of the cellphone. People store numbers in their phones. Of course
>> when their phones go down or are lost they typically have no backup as
>> they have placed all their faith in the tiny electronic instruments
>> that rule most people's lives.
>>
>> TJ
>>
>I keep a lot of numbers in my cell phone but not all. I still have the
>address book(s) to do the heavy haulage .. and there's a lot of numbers
>in there. Comes from having a huge extended family I guess.
>
>Even if the cell phone is the only place people store numbers, there is
>no reason why that critical data should not be backed up. My phone, a
>Nokia, comes with backup facility so I can keep a copy of everything on
>my computer. As well, I store all contact info on the sim card and not
>the phone. That way, if the phone dies, I just need to move the sim card
>to another phone of similar type. Learnt that lesson when I moved from a
>Philips phone to a Nokia - incompatible data formats...
>
>I NEVER place all my faith in "tiny electronic instruments" without one
>or more forms of data safeguard. Anyone who does not do this is foolish.

I've used cell phones but don't have a cell phone, I use a land line.
But I have a Brother FAX machine, I have all my contact info stored in
it and it records the contact info of every incoming... to retrieve
all my contact info all I have to do is press "PhoneBook" or "FAXBook"
and "Print". I've never heard a cell phone yet with as clear/accurate
voice reception as my Sony land line phones... cell phones aren't much
better than paper cups and string, their sound reproduction is
garbage, worse than speaker phone.

Sqwertz wrote about John Kuthe:

> I wouldn't **** on him if he were on fire.

What if he were *not* on fire?

Bob

On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 20:08:59 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> >
> >> You have a very different experience with mobile phones than I do. Or
> >> what i'd hear it's more like - You ___ a ver_ ____erent ex___ience with
> >> mobile phones {pop} I {click}. All in a voice like metal as usual.
> >
> > Who is your carrier and which phone are you using?
>
> Many different phones, carriers and geographies over the years. It's
> like my body gives off anti-cell-phone rays or something. It's so bad
> when my wife gets a call on her cell she'll start walking away from me
> to get better reception.

LOLOL!

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Dec 8, 2:57*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:42:57 -0800, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> > Sqwertz wrote about John Kuthe:
>
> >> I wouldn't **** on him if he were on fire.
>
> > What if he were *not* on fire?
>
> I'd light him on fire.
>
> -sw

Explains why you won't answer my simple question!

You are not a nice person.

John Kuthe...

On Dec 7, 3:36*am, dsi1 > wrote:

> I saw a dock for an iPhone that allows people experience the thrill of
> using a landline. Now you can talk for hours while twirling a real
> curly cable in your fingers! I can imagine that they'll be selling
> cell phones that look and feel and work just like landlines. Rotary
> dial optional!


I thought of the idea way back when I first came in contact with
other people's cell phones. At home using the landline I am not
bothered by the curly cables, I just don't notice them, only the
comfort of the large phone and the way it's contoured to fit the
head. In that regard it is superior to the cellphone. It does not
surprise me that they already have a "dock" for an iphone that mimics
the old fashioned phone. But it can't just be any large phone. I
have a large phone on my answering machine and it's garbage. It
slides off my head. I don't use except for when I'm expecting a call
and I'm in the kitchen or bathroom. For the cellhpone to work within
a house-phone housing, it would have to be a princess phone or one
that is close to that design for comfort and ease. I'm not that much
of a dinosaur, they can keep the rotary dial, I like the buttons.
See, I'm not so old fashioned after all - I just know what good is -
and I'm telling you the home landline phone is superior to to any
cellphone for sound and comfort. Of course it lacks in other areas,
but again, why not have both if the cost is not too high. Thanks for
the update.

TJ

On Dec 7, 3:52*am, dsi1 > wrote:

> We could get enslaved by the environment that computers and networks
> and broadband create, I suppose. All this hasn't played out but it
> will be interesting to see the changes that will ooccurring our
> culture and society in just a few years.
>
> I'm more of a traditionalist so I'm enslaved by things that I own and
> I have that guitar player sickness - guitar accqusition syndrome. I
> only own 7 at the moment so it's just a mild case. Some guys got it
> just awful bad...



The enslavement aspect, yes, it's true. A lot of times when
someone resists certain new trends, they are called old fashioned or
told, "Hey, no one is forcing you to buy it!" But that is not
entirely true, as you said yourself. We can become enslaved even by
those things we ourselves do not buy. We can over time be forced to
use things we don't want to use when the things those new things
replace are lost forever. It's hard to find a decent useful and
practical pair of inexpensive sneakers anymore thanks to the updated
bullshit technology of running and walking shoes. I am not a fulltime
resistor. I can go with new things. I pick and choose. But I'm not
rushing out to buy every new thing that comes along, even if I were to
hit the lottery tomorrow. Oh yeah, I really need to know what the
temperature is in St. Louis - give me that iphone baby.

APPS - a lutely,
TJ

On Dec 9, 2:32*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> * * * I thought of the idea way back when I first came in contact with
> other people's cell phones. *At home using the landline I am not
> bothered by the curly cables, I just don't notice them, only the
> comfort of the large phone and the way it's contoured to fit the
> head. *In that regard it is superior to the cellphone. *It does not
> surprise me that they already have a "dock" for an iphone that mimics
> the old fashioned phone. *But it can't just be any large phone. *I
> have a large phone on my answering machine and it's garbage. *It
> slides off my head. *I don't use except for when I'm expecting a call
> and I'm in the kitchen or bathroom. *For the cellhpone to work within
> a house-phone housing, it would have to be a princess phone or one
> that is close to that design for comfort and ease. *I'm not that much
> of a dinosaur, they can keep the rotary dial, I like the buttons.
> See, I'm not so old fashioned after all - I just know what good is -
> and I'm telling you the home landline phone is superior to to any
> cellphone for sound and comfort. *Of course it lacks in other areas,
> but again, why not have both if the cost is not too high. *Thanks for
> the update.
>
> TJ

Talking on one of those little bar-shaped cells does feel kinda
sissified. One holds it like a fancy tea cup. I have a old business
phone at the office that I think is the cat's meow. It has buttons for
dialing and lines and 18 speed dial numbers! As an extra bonus you can
slam that receiver down, no problem. Unfortunately, thanks to the cell
phone's mobility, I hardly ever sit a my desk.

I agree - the old phones were more suitable for guys and anyone that
appreciates the substantial. Too bad the younger generation won't ever
know the way of the landlines.

On Dec 7, 3:52*am, dsi1 > wrote:

> We could get enslaved by the environment that computers and networks
> and broadband create, I suppose. All this hasn't played out but it
> will be interesting to see the changes that will ooccurring our
> culture and society in just a few years.


I have a feeling that all the changes that have taken place since
the beginning of time has been good ones, otherwise they would not be
in effect. I just don't like going through them. For example -
integration - we're still not there - (just one example of many) - and
while we struggle with the changes of today, I often wish they had
taken place yesterday. But once the changes have taken place, no
matter what they are, they are for the good. I believe. That doesn't
mean I have to like it while it's happening.

TJ

On Dec 7, 11:32*am, Sqwertz > wrote:

> I used to support the cell phone computers for the major telephone
> carriers, high availability RISC machines (running NonStop-UX) that
> run the SS7 networks that route and switch calls between towers and I
> can guarantee you that cell phone calls get dropped all the time
> (often when switching towers). *Heck, I've probably disconnected over
> 5 million calls a year just myself :-)

> ObFood: And yes, I'm, also the guy that screws up your orders at Taco
> Bell, Papa John's, Pizza Hut, and KFC. (Using SCO Openserver this
> time). *At at least that's what some people would like you to believe.
> Me? *I blame the Lusers that work there.


I am no snob but I rarely eat at fast food joints. When I do I
never give the workers a hard time. I know first hand what shit-jobs
are. The most annoying thing about the dropped call (while I'm on my
landline talking to someone on a cellphone), is the way there is no
warning. It's silent. So you're talking and what you're saying may
not even be heard by the other person. Who knows, it might have been
one of the greatest things you've ever said, and now it's gone
forever. I am inbetween on most things like most intelligent people.
I think cellphones are annoying and far from perfect, yet I marvel
that they exist at all, and that a person can call from just about
anywhere at any time.

TJ

> On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 05:54:43 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:

> > On the rest of the above, I see smartphones as encouraging people
> > to take public transit to work, or to play, because that way
> > they are not driving and can remain glued to the smartphone, where
> > they can text, facebook, and maybe even work.
>
> > I was taking Amtrak one hour each way to work last month, many
> > riders there were social-networking the entire time. *The oddballs --
> > gamers, laptop users, or persons like me simply listening to the
> > radio -- are fewer and fewer.


That's funny, a really unique conspiracy theory outlook on
cellphone marketing. I don't know, I drive a cab, and I see plenty of
people on the phone behind the wheel, and texting too. But no matter
how annoying or dangerous it is, I do not like the law getting
involved. The better drivers, like me - it is our job to look out for
the lousy drivers in any era, cellphone or not - because there always
were and always will be distractions for the driver beyond just the
cellphone and texting. I don't like the law getting involved.

TJ

On Dec 7, 4:10*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> I've used cell phones but don't have a cell phone, I use a land line.
> But I have a Brother FAX machine, I have all my contact info stored in
> it and it records the contact info of every incoming... to retrieve
> all my contact info all I have to do is press "PhoneBook" or "FAXBook"
> and "Print". *I've never heard a cell phone yet with as clear/accurate
> voice reception as my Sony land line phones... cell phones aren't much
> better than paper cups and string, their sound reproduction is
> garbage, worse than speaker phone.


I have a landline but use a cellphone for driving the cab. Nobody
will ever convince me the sound quality of any cellphone is superior
to a landline. But maybe in time the quality will improve. In the
meantime, a landline can be had for cheap if you get service without
an operator - can't even dial 0. I use an ATT calling card at 2 and
1/2 cents a minute to make long distance calls. It's called the
lifeline, the cheapest landline service one can get. Originally I
chose the non operator route because I used to drink a lot and hated
seeing that bill at the end of the month because I never knew what it
was going to be due to being drunk when most of the transcontinental
calls were made. I've stuck with it ever since.

No bundling for this guy,
TJ

On Dec 7, 4:21*pm, Andy > wrote:

> Your backwoods fake stupidity doesn't play well with modern day and age
> folks like us.
>
> You're either brain dead or dead!


What's wrong with being dead? You got a problem with dead people?
- You're going to have one huge fight on your hands.

TJ

On Dec 7, 4:30*pm, Bull > wrote:

> You don't need a cell phone because you never go any further than the
> curly cord can reach. Cell phones are designed to be used by the mobile
> and hearing unimpaired. In your case an ear trumpet would probably be
> your best bet for clarity improvement.
>
> BULL


LOL. Even though you were directing it at someone other than me,
I pretended you were talking to me, and it was funny. Good one.

Ear Trumpet, hah hah hah
TJ

On Dec 9, 8:16*pm, dsi1 > wrote:

> Talking on one of those little bar-shaped cells does feel kinda
> sissified. One holds it like a fancy tea cup. I have a old business
> phone at the office that I think is the cat's meow. It has buttons for
> dialing and lines and 18 speed dial numbers! As an extra bonus you can
> slam that receiver down, no problem. Unfortunately, thanks to the cell
> phone's mobility, I hardly ever sit a my desk.
>
> I agree - the old phones were more suitable for guys and anyone that
> appreciates the substantial. Too bad the younger generation won't ever
> know the way of the landlines.


Everything changes, ultimately for the good. That is my belief.
But I agree with you and want to add something I think is equally
funny. I know a guy in town who told me last week that he met a young
guy in his late teens or early 20s who did not know how to read a
clock. He was so used to everything being digital that he didn't know
where the 9 or 6 went on a regular round clock. I found it hard to
believe, but if you think about it it's not so hard to believe,
because at one time, before the round clock took over, we had the sun
dial. How many people today can read one of those? Not me. So
everything changes and always has. But that was a real tickler when
my buddy told me that one, and he wasn't making it up.

TJ

On Dec 9, 9:16*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
....
> No bundling for this guy,
> TJ

I used to work for 1800-Comcast HSI support. And people would call on
their cell phones saying their Charter phone, internet and TV were
out. My first reaction was to say "Wow, you are really screwed! See
what bundling does for you during an outage??"

John Kuthe...

On 12/9/2011 5:24 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
>
> Everything changes, ultimately for the good. That is my belief.
> But I agree with you and want to add something I think is equally
> funny. I know a guy in town who told me last week that he met a young
> guy in his late teens or early 20s who did not know how to read a
> clock. He was so used to everything being digital that he didn't know
> where the 9 or 6 went on a regular round clock. I found it hard to
> believe, but if you think about it it's not so hard to believe,
> because at one time, before the round clock took over, we had the sun
> dial. How many people today can read one of those? Not me. So
> everything changes and always has. But that was a real tickler when
> my buddy told me that one, and he wasn't making it up.
>
> TJ

I was probably a little retarded as a child so my dad had to set me down
holding an alarm clock to teach me how to read one. It's pretty involved
it you ask me. You have to be able to count in sets of five and divide
by 12 and 2 and 4. You have to learn idioms like half past and a quarter
to. You have to learn that 2/5ths between 9 and 10 is 47 minutes. I
never found the entire idea of reading a clock face to be a simple task.
I can certainly believe that for a lot of kids, reading a clock face
will be a daunting task.

On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 19:47:44 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

> On Dec 9, 9:16*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> ...
> > No bundling for this guy,
> > TJ
>
> I used to work for 1800-Comcast HSI support. And people would call on
> their cell phones saying their Charter phone, internet and TV were
> out. My first reaction was to say "Wow, you are really screwed! See
> what bundling does for you during an outage??"
>
Sorry, I don't get it. Comcast *is* my provider for internet and tv.
My phone isn't thought Comcast and I don't understand how Charter
could wriggle into the deal.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Dec 9, 10:47*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:

> I used to work for 1800-Comcast HSI support. And people would call on
> their cell phones saying their Charter phone, internet and TV were
> out. My first reaction was to say "Wow, you are really screwed! See
> what bundling does for you during an outage??"


I hate that ala carte is not more prevalent in many things. I
resent bundling. Sometimes bundling is counter productive. For
example, about a year ago I got tired of paying $60 a month for cable
service, so I called them and asked them to take me down to the lowest
level - $10 a month for network tv only. A month later I got my first
$10 cable bill - but I'm still getting the $60 tier. I don't know if
they know it and I don't care. But it's funny, if something goes
wrong with the cable, or if they take away a channel or a channel goes
out, I won't be able to call and complain about it because I'm not
supposed to be getting it. Funny stuff. Bundling and package deals
make me sick.

TJ

On Dec 10, 1:45*am, dsi1 > wrote:

> I was probably a little retarded as a child so my dad had to set me down
> holding an alarm clock to teach me how to read one. It's pretty involved
> it you ask me. You have to be able to count in sets of five and divide
> by 12 and 2 and 4. You have to learn idioms like half past and a quarter
> to. You have to learn that 2/5ths between 9 and 10 is 47 minutes. I
> never found the entire idea of reading a clock face to be a simple task.
> I can certainly believe that for a lot of kids, reading a clock face
> will be a daunting task.


At first I found it hard to believe, but when I thought of the sun
dial that preceded the clock it made me change my mind. Then I
thought of expressions inspired by the clock that are used outside of
clock watching. For example, the movie "12 O'Clock High", about a
fighter plan squadron during ww2. And when you're driving down the
road, or a passenger, someone might ask you to check something out,
and when you go, "Where?", they say, "10 O'Clock", or "6 O'Clock", or
whatever the position is they want you to look at. That will not be
lost on those growing up on digital. I like digital too. Not
complaining about any of these changes, only observing them - while
reserving the right to complain if I goddamn feel like it of course.

TJ

On Dec 10, 5:19*am, LarbGai > wrote:

> Grubby little man.
>
> ps In future please post all your non cooking related subjects in the
> appropriate place.
>
> This group is for us 'foodies'......................... OK.



Maybe none of my business, but I really don't see why anyone in
any newsgroup as active as this one would complain about a few people
discussing something off topic as long as it's confined to a single
thread. I just don't understand it. I can readily understand a
regular of any newsgroup getting ****ed at people who invade every
thread as if they're doing it on purpose to disrupt things. I don't
see that as the case here. And as for food, let's not forget that any
topic existing on earth is related to food in some way as we ourselves
are food for bacteria and even larger creatures on occasion,
especially after we're dead.

Eat or be eaten,
TJ

On 10/12/2011 10:04 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> On Dec 10, 5:19 am, > wrote:
>
>> Grubby little man.
>>
>> ps In future please post all your non cooking related subjects in the
>> appropriate place.
>>
>> This group is for us 'foodies'......................... OK.
>
>
>
> Maybe none of my business, but I really don't see why anyone in
> any newsgroup as active as this one would complain about a few people
> discussing something off topic as long as it's confined to a single
> thread. I just don't understand it. I can readily understand a
> regular of any newsgroup getting ****ed at people who invade every
> thread as if they're doing it on purpose to disrupt things. I don't
> see that as the case here. And as for food, let's not forget that any
> topic existing on earth is related to food in some way as we ourselves
> are food for bacteria and even larger creatures on occasion,
> especially after we're dead.
>
> Eat or be eaten,
> TJ

You'll have to ignore larbgai. He's one of the trolls that infested
various newsgroups, including soc.culture.thai, end result being that
those newsgroups are totally non-functional now. He must be getting
bored since he's killed off those groups and has gravitated here. He
only once posted something on-topic to SCT and that was related to
bargirls which I suspect is his only area of expertise related to
Thailand. He certainly isn't a foodie and he won't post much on-topic or
relevant here. Best you do as I do and filter him. Rest assured he won't
be adding anything of value to this group.

--

Krypsis

On 10/12/2011 2:47 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Dec 9, 9:16 pm, Tommy > wrote:
> ....
>> No bundling for this guy,
>> TJ
>
> I used to work for 1800-Comcast HSI support. And people would call on
> their cell phones saying their Charter phone, internet and TV were
> out. My first reaction was to say "Wow, you are really screwed! See
> what bundling does for you during an outage??"
>
> John Kuthe...

Well, I guess that explains why you don't work there any more. Says a
lot about why you find it difficult to get a decent job too!

--

Krypsis

Tommy Joe wrote:
>
> Everything changes, ultimately for the good. That is my belief.

Cellphones teach us that in the first few decades some changes are for
the worse. It will change eventually. Once coverage is so close to
everywhere companies start to put up towers in the more densely
populated parts of Antarctica the expansion of the technology will be
complete. Then competition will switch to call quality.

Already lots of customers switch because of poor call quality.
Companies advertize number of bars in the vein hope that users will
think that more bars means better quality calls. maybe for some users
it's even true. I do think that spontaneous hang ups are less common
where there are more bars.

> But I agree with you and want to add something I think is equally
> funny. I know a guy in town who told me last week that he met a young
> guy in his late teens or early 20s who did not know how to read a
> clock. He was so used to everything being digital that he didn't know
> where the 9 or 6 went on a regular round clock. I found it hard to
> believe, but if you think about it it's not so hard to believe,
> because at one time, before the round clock took over, we had the sun
> dial. How many people today can read one of those? Not me. So
> everything changes and always has. But that was a real tickler when
> my buddy told me that one, and he wasn't making it up.

Chuckle. I have no problem using a sundial. It comes from being an
astronomy buff so I know it's not a universal skill. Heck, for decades
I could tell the day of the month by looking at the moon or the planets
that happened to be visible in the sky.

And yet I'm ADHD enough that I have a very different time sense than the
focus deficit majority. I keep a weekly organizer in my pocket to know
if I have events for the day. I don't keep a monthly organizer because
days of the month are beyond my kenn for uses other than pointing an
amateur telescope. Something most of the population finds simple and
obvious that I find difficult, burdensome and mysterious.

On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:48:12 +1100, Krypsis >
wrote:

> You'll have to ignore larbgai. He's one of the trolls that infested
> various newsgroups

He's still posting? What a drunken fool. He must be as old as the
hills now.

> Best you do as I do and filter him. Rest assured he won't
> be adding anything of value to this group.

Ditto.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Dec 9, 10:47*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Dec 9, 9:16*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> ...
>
> > No bundling for this guy,
> > TJ
>
> I used to work for 1800-Comcast HSI support. And people would call on
> their cell phones saying their Charter phone, internet and TV were
> out. My first reaction was to say "Wow, you are really screwed! See
> what bundling does for you during an outage??"
>
> John Kuthe...

You have an IS degree and you you were working phone support?!? You
have a BSN and you're working in a boneyard?!? You have BOTH degrees
and you can't get into a career in HIM?!? I call bullshit. I thought
you were Asperger's, but you're either full blown autistic or a liar.
In fact, from some of your health/IT related postings, I'm going to
conclude liar. No fun anymore. Bye, bye, shitdick.

On Dec 10, 1:00*am, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> On Dec 10, 1:45*am, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > I was probably a little retarded as a child so my dad had to set me down
> > holding an alarm clock to teach me how to read one. It's pretty involved
> > it you ask me. You have to be able to count in sets of five and divide
> > by 12 and 2 and 4. You have to learn idioms like half past and a quarter
> > to. You have to learn that 2/5ths between 9 and 10 is 47 minutes. I
> > never found the entire idea of reading a clock face to be a simple task..
> > I can certainly believe that for a lot of kids, reading a clock face
> > will be a daunting task.
>
> * * At first I found it hard to believe, but when I thought of the sun
> dial that preceded the clock it made me change my mind. *Then I
> thought of expressions inspired by the clock that are used outside of
> clock watching. *For example, the movie "12 O'Clock High", about a
> fighter plan squadron during ww2. *And when you're driving down the
> road, or a passenger, someone might ask you to check something out,
> and when you go, "Where?", they say, "10 O'Clock", or "6 O'Clock", or
> whatever the position is they want you to look at. *That will not be
> lost on those growing up on digital. *I like digital too. *Not
> complaining about any of these changes, only observing them - while
> reserving the right to complain if I goddamn feel like it of course.
>
> TJ

I'd like to use lingo like "on your 6" but my wife doesn't speak
macho. When she worked at Jack in the Box while going to college,
"cheese at the window" meant a good looking guy at the drive-thru.

On Dec 10, 6:48 am, Krypsis > wrote:

> You'll have to ignore larbgai. He's one of the trolls that infested
> various newsgroups, including soc.culture.thai, end result being that
> those newsgroups are totally non-functional now. He must be getting
> bored since he's killed off those groups and has gravitated here. He
> only once posted something on-topic to SCT and that was related to
> bargirls which I suspect is his only area of expertise related to
> Thailand. He certainly isn't a foodie and he won't post much on-topic or
> relevant here. Best you do as I do and filter him. Rest assured he won't
> be adding anything of value to this group.


I used to go to a place called alt.standup.com. The biggest
complainers using the group were the professional and aspiring comics
who thought anybody who came along after they did was a troll. There
were some legit trolls in there, guys looking to bog things up, create
turmoil, etc. But the original comics who founded and first used the
site became so paranoid of anyone new that they put anyone new in the
troll bucket, unless that new person was a troll who took their
side.

The group broke into camps and eventually the "real" comics
formed their own moderated group with the same name. I could go there
but could not post. I did not care. I just went there a few times to
see how they were doing. In the beginning all they did was talk about
how refreshing it was to be rid of the trolls. Of course they allowed
a few trolls (non-comic groupie types - ie asskissers), into the
moderated group. They sounded really happy and content with their new
place. But within a matter of a few months it died. The original
group still exists but is a graveyard.

My point is that to some extent some off-topic types who don't
fit the presumed label are needed to keep a group afloat. The so-
called trolls fed off the comics and vice versa with the serious
comics feeding off the trolls, even if they didn't want to admit it.
Yes, there were without a doubt some trouble-making instigators in
there, but by and large it was a very busy and enjoyable group. I'm
not saying it's bad to keep one's eyes open and be vigilant - but as
for this group, I think it's very well run and I have not yet
encountered the sort of ugly destructiveness of the "trolls" that
existed in the comedy group. I wasn't bothered by larbgal's post,
only trying to make a point. I think these sorts of disagreements
take place in all if not most newsgroups. But it is true, I see in
this group a certain civility that does not exist in some groups where
a handful of misfits go in purposely to make trouble and post into
every thread they can find. I don't see that here.

I came here originally to ask a few questions about food. But
sometimes I'll come in after not being here for a while and will see a
thread title that sounds interesting and I'll go into it. Even if it
has nothing to do with food, if I find it interesting and I think I
have something worthwhile to add, then I'll post into it. To try to
make a newsgroup one thing exclusively and everything else is
considered off topic, I think that is ultimately detrimental to the
group. The group would not be very active if all the posts and
threads were exclusively food related. Just like cooking itself,
everything is a form of fusion. You're talking about a steak you
leave to thaw out on the counter while you go out for an errand
lasting an hour, and when you come back you find your puppy lying on
the ground unable to move because during your absence he jumped up on
the counter and snatched and ate the whole damned steak. Now from
there someone might be inclined to talk about his own dog. The topic
changes. So what? That's what it's all about as far as I'm
concerned. ... Sorry for length of post. I sometimes have trouble
getting to the point. What was the point anyway? Oh yeah, got ya.

TJ

On Dec 10, 6:51*am, Krypsis > wrote:

> Well, I guess that explains why you don't work there any more. Says a
> lot about why you find it difficult to get a decent job too!


I wish I had found it more difficult to get a job when I first
joined the work force at age 30 back in '78. I worked on and off
before that but mostly hung out in a poolroom doing my best to avoid
it. Soon, not working became a fulltime job and I was forced to get a
real one. That's when I started driving a cab. I'm good at it. But
overall I think that work sucks. Can't wait for that SSI check when I
turn 65 in Sept. If I'm still alive. Yes, if a person can get away
without working, more power to them. How about people who don't work
for like 3 years and all they do is complain about having no job.
Hey, if you can go 3 years without working and still have a roof over
your head you're doing ok in my book.

TJ

On Dec 10, 10:49*am, Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> Everything changes, ultimately for the good. *That is my belief.

> Cellphones teach us that in the first few decades some changes are for
> the worse. *It will change eventually. *Once coverage is so close to
> everywhere companies start to put up towers in the more densely
> populated parts of Antarctica the expansion of the technology will be
> complete. *Then competition will switch to call quality.
>
> Already lots of customers switch because of poor call quality.
> Companies advertize number of bars in the vein hope that users will
> think that more bars means better quality calls. *maybe for some users
> it's even true. *I do think that spontaneous hang ups are less common
> where there are more bars.

> Chuckle. *I have no problem using a sundial. *It comes from being an
> astronomy buff so I know it's not a universal skill. *Heck, for decades
> I could tell the day of the month by looking at the moon or the planets
> that happened to be visible in the sky.
>
> And yet I'm ADHD enough that I have a very different time sense than the
> focus deficit majority. *I keep a weekly organizer in my pocket to know
> if I have events for the day. *I don't keep a monthly organizer because
> days of the month are beyond my kenn for uses other than pointing an
> amateur telescope. *Something most of the population finds simple and
> obvious that I find difficult, burdensome and mysterious.


I agree that the cellphone like most things will probably improve
in sound quality and other ways. I'm not railing against every new
thing that comes along. But it is disheartening to see people line up
to buy new things just because they're new.

Back when I was driving a cab for a company and having a hard time
with the dispatchers (favoritism and payoff and phony friendship
abounded - but not with me), I knew I had to get a cellphone and have
business cards made up. But I resisted it for years. Why? Because
almost everyone I saw using the cellphone, including my own brother,
possibly the number one offender, made me think that if I got one I
might turn to behaving like them. I mean, this guy would never go
anywhere without it, even on a day hike. It would ring or vibrate in
the midst of a conversation and his hand would shoot to the sky with
one finger raised high as if to say "be quiet", as he answered the
phone then ducked his head and slowly walked away to engage in phone
conversation. I saw this with my brother and others and I did not
want to become a part of that. Some call the cellphone the electronic
leash, and for many who use them it's true. I guess as with most
things through history it's not the thing itself but the people using
it.

You have no trouble using a sun dial, but I doubt you'd want to
tote one around all day.

TJ

On Dec 10, 11:44*am, sf > wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:48:12 +1100, Krypsis >

> > You'll have to ignore larbgai. He's one of the trolls that infested
> > various newsgroups

> He's still posting? *What a drunken fool. *He must be as old as the
> hills now.

> > Best you do as I do and filter him. Rest assured he won't
> > be adding anything of value to this group.

> Ditto.


I don't have a filter and don't think I'd use it even if I did.
But I can't say that for sure. I just ignore annoying posts from
annoying people. Sometimes though, I might even find some kind of
enjoyment in being annoyed. Just as Doug openly admits to being ADHD,
I openly admit to being a bit of a masochist. I like to see how much
I can take. It makes me feel proud.

TJ

On Dec 10, 1:16*pm, dsi1 > wrote:

> I'd like to use lingo like "on your 6" but my wife doesn't speak
> macho. When she worked at Jack in the Box while going to college,
> "cheese at the window" meant a good looking guy at the drive-thru.


I rarely use the clock lingo; not sure I ever have - but I've
heard it from others and it makes sense. Now drifting slightly off
topic (if there ever was one), I remember Jack in the Box when I lived
in L.A. .. It was one of my least favorite fast food joints.
Everyone thought it sucked. A bunch of people got sick one time, up
in the northwest I think, and soon the Jack in the Boxes closed down.
But a few years later they opened as "new and improved" - and funny
thing is, they really were improved. That rarely happens. Usually
it's just a term businesses use. But Jack in the Box in my opinion
really did improve after they shut down and reopened. I remember the
one in Hollywood Ca that I would go to now and then. There was a guy
from somewhere in the middle east who seemed to always be there. I
could tell he was bright, probably also working his way through
college. He always had a smile on his face, very easy going - looked
like nothing bothered him. He was so happy and friendly that I
wondered if one day he might explode and kill a bunch of people. I
had trouble understanding how someone could hold a job of any kind and
smile all through the day. I still do.

TJ

On Dec 6, 4:56*am, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> On Dec 6, 12:03*am, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John Kuthe" <>
>
> > >> I had to get a personal cell phone because ether are no payphones
> > >> around anymore. *It's also a good idea that I can be
> > >> tracked/triangulated if I'm not around for a couple days. *I was a
> > >> late holdout to cell phones, but now I have one that cheap as dirt
> > >> compared to what other pay.
>
> > >> -sw
>
> > > What did you get, and through what service? I may have to get one
> > > soon.
>
> > > John Kuthe...
>
> > My reception of this thread is fractious since apparently there are some
> > obnoxious kill-filed jerks participating. *At any rate - our daughter who is
> > frugal just for the fun of it says that her cell phone is from Wal-Mart for
> > $10. *She didn't want/need one that would take pictures, give her the scenic
> > route to Omaha or the best price on octopus jerky. *Her no contract service
> > might be with A T & T. * It can be done. *Polly
>
> * * Not applicable to me or others who think for themselves, but for
> most people the cellphone, or any recent electronic gadget, is a
> gateway drug to the hard stuff. *Most of the stuff advertised on tv
> and elsewhere is sold on the basis of speed. *It's all about doing
> things faster to give us more time. *But all it gives most people is
> time for more work. *I have a cellphone I use for driving the stinking
> cab - but at home I use a landline and would never switch. *Not only
> does the sound of most cellphones suck to begin with, most people make
> it even worse by using cheap ear buds and speakers that produce a
> tinny sound that is irritating and could even lead to a form of mass
> stress similar to that of mass hypnosis. *Just kidding with that last
> remark, but maybe not that much. *Anyway, I'm all for anything new
> that works and is helpful or enjoyable - but the truth is and always
> has been that today's luxury is tomorrow's necessity.
>
> * * * One more thing I thought was pretty funny. *For maybe 5 years
> now I've been looking for a personal phone book. *You know, an address
> book - a small book with A thru Z sticking out on labels so you can
> write in people's phone numbers alphabetically. *I wasn't searching
> desperately, just now and then when the mood struck and I happened to
> be in a store such as WalMart for example. *All I ever saw were Day
> Planner books. *The other day I went into the dollar store and asked
> if they had address books. *They did not. *All they had were the
> planners. *Then it hit me, as maybe it should have hit me earlier -
> that the phone-number address book is hard to find these days because
> of the cellphone. *People store numbers in their phones. *Of course
> when their phones go down or are lost they typically have no backup as
> they have placed all their faith in the tiny electronic instruments
> that rule most people's lives.
>
> TJ

I guess I will treasure my loose-leaf, tabbed, extra blank pages in
the back, address book. I think I bought it about 15 - 20 years ago.
I didn't realize those were now dinosaurs. I have never used ink in
it and am more determined than ever to keep it going. I prob. have
200 entries in it - and I'll be damned if I ever wish to try to put
all of it into any cellphone. It goes with me on trips and if I ever
need to evacuate, it's going. You may have to buy a plain notebook
and make your own.

As to graduation to 'harder stuff' - uh-uh. In fact we downsized
from a pay per month cell (some months we never made one call) to one
of those deals - pay 100 bucks for a year, 25 cents a minute.
Rollover feature when you re-up for the next hundred. I don't think
we've used 20 dollars worth of it since July.

I hate it when a friend calls to gab from a cell - bad transmission
and echo etc.

On Dec 10, 11:37*am, BillyZoom > wrote:
....
> No fun anymore. Bye, bye, shitdick.

Uh, yeah, like THAT'S ever gonna happen!!

John Kuthe...

On Dec 10, 5:29*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
....
> But I resisted it for years. *Why? *Because
> almost everyone I saw using the cellphone, including my own brother,
> possibly the number one offender, made me think that if I got one I
> might turn to behaving like them. *I mean, this guy would never go
> anywhere without it, even on a day hike. *It would ring or vibrate in
> the midst of a conversation and his hand would shoot to the sky with
> one finger raised high as if to say "be quiet", as he answered the
> phone then ducked his head and slowly walked away to engage in phone
> conversation.
....

What exactly is it that makes a person suddenly prioritize answering
the damn phone as THE most important thing to do, just because it
rings? Especially when they are actively doing something else,
especially if that thing is conversing with people in real life? All
the phone ringing means is that someone not in the room with you
presently suddenly had the desire to dial your phone number. It's not
like if you do not answer it immediately that they will not ever call
you back. In fact I've noticed with these bloody cell phones people
who call, if they do not get an answer the first time will usually
call back two or three times in rapid succession!! WTF??!! Just
because YOU had the desire to talk to me, *I* should drop everything
I'm doing and answer you?

I have voice mail for a reason! Use it! I have CallerID too, and I do
NOT pick up on 1800 numbers or anything with no name.

John Kuthe...