On Dec 4, 12:49 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
....

> I had to get a personal cell phone because ether are no payphones
> around anymore. It's also a good idea that I can be
> tracked/triangulated if I'm not around for a couple days. I was a
> late holdout to cell phones, but now I have one that cheap as dirt
> compared to what other pay.

> -sw

What did you get, and through what service? I may have to get one
soon.

John Kuthe...

On Dec 5, 4:18*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Dec 4, 12:49 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> ...
>
> > I had to get a personal cell phone because ether are no payphones
> > around anymore. *It's also a good idea that I can be
> > tracked/triangulated if I'm not around for a couple days. *I was a
> > late holdout to cell phones, but now I have one that cheap as dirt
> > compared to what other pay.
> > -sw
>
> What did you get, and through what service? I may have to get one
> soon.
>
> John Kuthe...

Jesus. What kind of nurse doesn't have a cell phone? Are you really so
useless that nobody needs to call you?

On 12/5/11 5:29 PM, BillyZoom wrote:
> On Dec 5, 4:18 pm, John > wrote:
>> On Dec 4, 12:49 pm, > wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> I had to get a personal cell phone because ether are no payphones
>>> around anymore. It's also a good idea that I can be
>>> tracked/triangulated if I'm not around for a couple days. I was a
>>> late holdout to cell phones, but now I have one that cheap as dirt
>>> compared to what other pay.
>>> -sw
>>
>> What did you get, and through what service? I may have to get one
>> soon.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> Jesus. What kind of nurse doesn't have a cell phone? Are you really so
> useless that nobody needs to call you?

<deadpan look> come'on.. the man writes cat posts to a cooking group.
You and I both know he's a loser. That no one wants to hire or date him
is pretty apparent as to why.

"John Kuthe" <>
>> I had to get a personal cell phone because ether are no payphones
>> around anymore. It's also a good idea that I can be
>> tracked/triangulated if I'm not around for a couple days. I was a
>> late holdout to cell phones, but now I have one that cheap as dirt
>> compared to what other pay.
>
>> -sw
>
> What did you get, and through what service? I may have to get one
> soon.
>
> John Kuthe...

My reception of this thread is fractious since apparently there are some
obnoxious kill-filed jerks participating. At any rate - our daughter who is
frugal just for the fun of it says that her cell phone is from Wal-Mart for
$10. She didn't want/need one that would take pictures, give her the scenic
route to Omaha or the best price on octopus jerky. Her no contract service
might be with A T & T. It can be done. Polly

On Dec 6, 12:03*am, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
> "John Kuthe" <>
>
> >> I had to get a personal cell phone because ether are no payphones
> >> around anymore. *It's also a good idea that I can be
> >> tracked/triangulated if I'm not around for a couple days. *I was a
> >> late holdout to cell phones, but now I have one that cheap as dirt
> >> compared to what other pay.
>
> >> -sw
>
> > What did you get, and through what service? I may have to get one
> > soon.
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> My reception of this thread is fractious since apparently there are some
> obnoxious kill-filed jerks participating. *At any rate - our daughter who is
> frugal just for the fun of it says that her cell phone is from Wal-Mart for
> $10. *She didn't want/need one that would take pictures, give her the scenic
> route to Omaha or the best price on octopus jerky. *Her no contract service
> might be with A T & T. * It can be done. *Polly


Not applicable to me or others who think for themselves, but for
most people the cellphone, or any recent electronic gadget, is a
gateway drug to the hard stuff. Most of the stuff advertised on tv
and elsewhere is sold on the basis of speed. It's all about doing
things faster to give us more time. But all it gives most people is
time for more work. I have a cellphone I use for driving the stinking
cab - but at home I use a landline and would never switch. Not only
does the sound of most cellphones suck to begin with, most people make
it even worse by using cheap ear buds and speakers that produce a
tinny sound that is irritating and could even lead to a form of mass
stress similar to that of mass hypnosis. Just kidding with that last
remark, but maybe not that much. Anyway, I'm all for anything new
that works and is helpful or enjoyable - but the truth is and always
has been that today's luxury is tomorrow's necessity.

One more thing I thought was pretty funny. For maybe 5 years
now I've been looking for a personal phone book. You know, an address
book - a small book with A thru Z sticking out on labels so you can
write in people's phone numbers alphabetically. I wasn't searching
desperately, just now and then when the mood struck and I happened to
be in a store such as WalMart for example. All I ever saw were Day
Planner books. The other day I went into the dollar store and asked
if they had address books. They did not. All they had were the
planners. Then it hit me, as maybe it should have hit me earlier -
that the phone-number address book is hard to find these days because
of the cellphone. People store numbers in their phones. Of course
when their phones go down or are lost they typically have no backup as
they have placed all their faith in the tiny electronic instruments
that rule most people's lives.

TJ

On Dec 6, 5:49*am, Sqwertz > wrote:
....
>
> Not to mention he pings people who he knows has him killfiled for
> being an annoying piece of shit. *I wouldn't **** on him if he were on
> fire.
>
> -sw

It was an honest question looking for information. And I don't "ping"
people very often (which is kind of a misnomer, pinging is for
computers, not people!)

John Kuthe...

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:59:45 -0500, Goomba >
wrote:

>On 12/5/11 5:29 PM, BillyZoom wrote:
>> On Dec 5, 4:18 pm, John > wrote:
>>> On Dec 4, 12:49 pm, > wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I had to get a personal cell phone because ether are no payphones
>>>> around anymore. It's also a good idea that I can be
>>>> tracked/triangulated if I'm not around for a couple days. I was a
>>>> late holdout to cell phones, but now I have one that cheap as dirt
>>>> compared to what other pay.
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> What did you get, and through what service? I may have to get one
>>> soon.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> Jesus. What kind of nurse doesn't have a cell phone? Are you really so
>> useless that nobody needs to call you?
>
><deadpan look> come'on.. the man writes cat posts to a cooking group.
>You and I both know he's a loser. That no one wants to hire or date him
>is pretty apparent as to why.

I thought Bwrrryan is his girlfriend.

On 12/5/2011 11:56 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
> Not applicable to me or others who think for themselves, but for
> most people the cellphone, or any recent electronic gadget, is a
> gateway drug to the hard stuff. Most of the stuff advertised on tv
> and elsewhere is sold on the basis of speed. It's all about doing
> things faster to give us more time. But all it gives most people is
> time for more work. I have a cellphone I use for driving the stinking
> cab - but at home I use a landline and would never switch. Not only
> does the sound of most cellphones suck to begin with, most people make
> it even worse by using cheap ear buds and speakers that produce a
> tinny sound that is irritating and could even lead to a form of mass
> stress similar to that of mass hypnosis. Just kidding with that last
> remark, but maybe not that much. Anyway, I'm all for anything new
> that works and is helpful or enjoyable - but the truth is and always
> has been that today's luxury is tomorrow's necessity.
>
> One more thing I thought was pretty funny. For maybe 5 years
> now I've been looking for a personal phone book. You know, an address
> book - a small book with A thru Z sticking out on labels so you can
> write in people's phone numbers alphabetically. I wasn't searching
> desperately, just now and then when the mood struck and I happened to
> be in a store such as WalMart for example. All I ever saw were Day
> Planner books. The other day I went into the dollar store and asked
> if they had address books. They did not. All they had were the
> planners. Then it hit me, as maybe it should have hit me earlier -
> that the phone-number address book is hard to find these days because
> of the cellphone. People store numbers in their phones. Of course
> when their phones go down or are lost they typically have no backup as
> they have placed all their faith in the tiny electronic instruments
> that rule most people's lives.

The cell phone has changed people's lives and society. Oddly enough, the
cell phone has changed computers and the way we use computers. I don't
think that backing up cell phones will be much of a problem in the
future. My guess is that the all your data will be remotely backed up
and we won't be tied to any particular phone.

My understanding is that Apple is planning yet another huge data center,
likely to be built in some small Oregon town. They just finished
building a monster one. This looks like a growth industry to me.

P.S., Using a cell phone doesn't make you smart or dumb - don't feel so
smug about it.

>
> TJ
>

On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:46:43 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> P.S., Using a cell phone doesn't make you smart or dumb - don't feel so
> smug about it.

I thought we were talking about smart phones, not smart people.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 12/6/2011 11:02 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:46:43 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> P.S., Using a cell phone doesn't make you smart or dumb - don't feel so
>> smug about it.
>
> I thought we were talking about smart phones, not smart people.
>

Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
sure are. :-)

On Dec 6, 3:42*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
....
> Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
> sure are. :-)

I'll tell ya this! I can count the number of times my landline phone
has been out in 50 years on ONE FINGER!!! And I never have to say "Can
you hear me now" except when the person I'm taking to on the phone is
on a bloody cell phone!

Now that's reliability. Nothing like twisted pair of copper wires! ;-)

John Kuthe...

On 12/6/2011 11:47 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Dec 6, 3:42 pm, > wrote:
> ...
>> Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
>> sure are. :-)
>
> I'll tell ya this! I can count the number of times my landline phone
> has been out in 50 years on ONE FINGER!!! And I never have to say "Can
> you hear me now" except when the person I'm taking to on the phone is
> on a bloody cell phone!
>
> Now that's reliability. Nothing like twisted pair of copper wires! ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...

You can have either reliability or utility and mobility. Pick one.

On Dec 6, 4:03*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
....

>
> You can have either reliability or utility and mobility. Pick one.

A phone without reliability is not really a phone at all, now is it?

John Kuthe...

On Dec 6, 3:46*pm, dsi1 > wrote:

> P.S., Using a cell phone doesn't make you smart or dumb - don't feel so
> smug about it.


You got the wrong impression. Maybe I subconsciously planned to
give you that impression, I don't know - but I am not anti-cellphone
or anti computer or anti any of the new things that come along and
have come along since time began. I am only saying that most people
wind up being enslaved by their new toys. Upgrades are constantly
required. New purchases. I can't tell you the number of time I've
heard people say they were lost without their computer or their
cellphone. Of course they'd get used to living without it in time, I
know that. And I'm not saying that people who rely on technology are
automatically dumber, only it doesn't automatically make them smarter
either. But they think it does. As far as I'm concerned, for most
people the internet is merely an electronic version of the newspaper
want ads. Those who would have succeeded or failed using those older
means will probably do the same today. I own a few toys and would be
a complete hypocrite to put them down. I am not putting them or any
new convenience down - only saying that in time - usually a not so
very long time either - it stops being a convenience and becomes a
necessity - and I for one despise necessity and will do whatever I can
to remain free from being trapped by it. Nothing smug about that.
Yeah, I can see it now - the electricity goes down and even cellphone
are affected at the source. That's when someone yells, "Anybody got a
pen and paper", and the pen & paper guy steps forward to save the
day. It doesn't have to be for or against with everything. I'm not
pro or con, just making comments. Sometimes I don't know when to
stop.

That's it,
TJ

On Dec 6, 4:42*pm, dsi1 > wrote:

> Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
> sure are. :-)



Why would that bother anybody? I love the landline. I like the
way the phone is cradled between the ear and shoulder as I'm lying in
bed. I can talk an hour and not feel like I'm working. It's not that
way with the cellphone. Oh I know, now it's, "Well, if you don't like
the way your fingers cramp up with the cellphone, why not get an ear
bud or use a speaker phone?" Yeah right. The people I know who use
the cellphone exclusively either don't know or don't care how bad the
sound quality is for the person on the other end of the line. Maybe
you're being sarcastic. Is that what :-) means? If not, I can't for
the life of me see why anybody would be irritated by people who choose
to retain some of the older things that for them are superior and
still not completely obsolete. That's not smug, that's just plain
stupid.

TJ

On Dec 6, 5:03*pm, dsi1 > wrote:

> You can have either reliability or utility and mobility. Pick one.



Thanks for bringing some intelligence to the discussion. Yes, pick
one. Or better yet, pick both. Who cares? I have both. I use the
cellphone for work and the landline for home. I agree with you. Not
once have I lost a call. I think the cellphone is a magnificent
item. The idea of being able to carry a phone around and call someone
from anywhere is fantastic. But what the hell is going on here? Is
this the beginning of world war 3? Is that how it's going to start, a
war between the cellphone people and the landline clan?

TJ

John Kuthe wrote:
> dsi1 > wrote:
> ...
>> Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
>> sure are. :-)
>
> I'll tell ya this! I can count the number of times my landline phone
> has been out in 50 years on ONE FINGER!!! And I never have to say "Can
> you hear me now" except when the person I'm taking to on the phone is
> on a bloody cell phone!

Land lines just plain work but they are wired to a spot and they care
about area codes.

Cell phone ___ words and ___ces of words and {pop} they add noises.
Often they randomly hang up for no apparent reason without so much as a
vibrate to point out to you that the screen pressed against your ear
suddenly displays "Call ended" in a way that your ear can't see. Are
there folks out there with ears that can see to be able to tell when
your call just got dropped or do folsk redial every few calls without
noticing? The things may as well be walkie talkies for the quality of
the sound on them. But what walkie talkie has a dailing range of most
of the civilized world and a local toll free range of most of the
continent?

On Dec 6, 5:03*pm, dsi1 > wrote:

> You can have either reliability or utility and mobility. Pick one.


Whoops, I replied to John but was really replying to your post.
But the same thing stands for both of you - that as you say you can
have one or the other - but you can also have both. It's not some
kind of all or nothing at all type situation. The landline is without
a doubt superior in many ways. I wondered years ago when they're
going to make a cellphone for home use. You know, shaped like an old
princess phone. Or maybe you can take your cellphone and snap it into
a large phone-shell for when you're at home lying in bed. You can
plug it in like a house phone. That day will probably come.
Everything I think of happens eventually. When you get home, take
your cellphone and snap it into the princess phone housing and close
the trap door. I have seen people slide into reliance on mobile
technology because their lives are moving too fast. They get the ear
bud or the speaker phone and the quality sucks, and they either know
it or they just don't care, because the sound on the other end of the
line often sucks, and even when you remind them of it they'll say,
"Well, that's because I'm doing dishes right now", or washing their
hair or some other multi-tasking activity, which means whatever
they're doing they're doing it half-assed. I'm all for whatever
works, but a lot of people on the cellphone remind me of hamsters in a
cage and the wheel never stops.

TJ

TJ

On Dec 6, 5:39*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> Cell phone ___ words and ___ces of words and {pop} they add noises.
> Often they randomly hang up for no apparent reason without so much as a
> vibrate to point out to you that the screen pressed against your ear
> suddenly displays "Call ended" in a way that your ear can't see. *Are
> there folks out there with ears that can see to be able to tell when
> your call just got dropped or do folsk redial every few calls without
> noticing? *The things may as well be walkie talkies for the quality of
> the sound on them. But what walkie talkie has a dailing range of most
> of the civilized world and a local toll free range of most of the
> continent?


I'm not a techo person, couldn't help anyone fix anything
electronic or even things that aren't. But I agree it is marvelous to
be able to call anywhere in the world from a phone you're carrying
around on your person. The one feature yet to exist with the
cellphone (as far as I know), is a live answering machine function.
You may get a beep that you have a message, but you can't hear it when
it's coming in. Maybe that will be the next advancement in the
cellphone, an answering machine that allows one to hear the actual
words of the message coming in, the way one uses an answering machine
at home to screen calls or determine their importance. I don't think
screening is crude either. A person might be washing their hair or
making food they can't walk away from, not for long anyway - and the
phone rings and the anwering machine takes over and they hear, "Help
me Doug, I've fallen and I can't get up", or some other emergency.
Then you can rush to answer it and tell them what's going on and how
long it will be and what you can do to help them. With the cellphone
answering system that is not yet possible. But it's around the
corner, as are most if not all inventions I have ever thought of.
Some might say that caller ID is as good as an answering machine.
Bullshit. You can see the name of the person but you don't know what
they have to say. This is one more plus for the landline if this is a
contest to determine which is better between the cellphone and the
landline. But there's no rule against having both. A landline can be
had for like $15 a month. I use it for the phone and also the
computer. Maybe I'll get lucky and die before I have to upgrade
something.

TJ

Tommy Joe wrote:
>
> Thanks for bringing some intelligence to the discussion. Yes, pick
> one. Or better yet, pick both. Who cares? I have both. I use the
> cellphone for work and the landline for home. I agree with you. Not
> once have I lost a call.

You have a very different experience with mobile phones than I do. Or
what i'd hear it's more like - You ___ a ver_ ____erent ex___ience with
mobile phones {pop} I {click}. All in a voice like metal as usual.

> I think the cellphone is a magnificent
> item. The idea of being able to carry a phone around and call someone
> from anywhere is fantastic.

Even with the crappy calls that hang up in the middle of the ....

On Dec 6, 5:33*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> Tommy Joe wrote:
>
> > * *Thanks for bringing some intelligence to the discussion. *Yes, pick
> > one. *Or better yet, pick both. *Who cares? *I have both. *I use the
> > cellphone for work and the landline for home. *I agree with you. * Not
> > once have I lost a call.
>
> You have a very different experience with mobile phones than I do. *Or
> what i'd hear it's more like - You ___ a ver_ ____erent ex___ience with
> mobile phones {pop} I {click}. *All in a voice like metal as usual.
>
> > I think the cellphone is a magnificent
> > item. *The idea of being able to carry a phone around and call someone
> > from anywhere is fantastic.
>
> Even with the crappy calls that hang up in the middle of the ....

ROFL!!!! Exactly!!

POS cell phones. :-(

John Kuthe...

On Dec 6, 12:42*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> On Dec 6, 5:03*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > You can have either reliability or utility and mobility. Pick one.
>
> * * Whoops, I replied to John but was really replying to your post.
> But the same thing stands for both of you - that as you say you can
> have one or the other - but you can also have both. *It's not some
> kind of all or nothing at all type situation. *The landline is without
> a doubt superior in many ways. *I wondered years ago when they're
> going to make a cellphone for home use. *You know, shaped like an old
> princess phone. *Or maybe you can take your cellphone and snap it into
> a large phone-shell for when you're at home lying in bed. *You can
> plug it in like a house phone. *That day will probably come.
> Everything I think of happens eventually. *When you get home, take
> your cellphone and snap it into the princess phone housing and close
> the trap door. *I have seen people slide into reliance on mobile
> technology because their lives are moving too fast. *They get the ear
> bud or the speaker phone and the quality sucks, and they either know
> it or they just don't care, because the sound on the other end of the
> line often sucks, and even when you remind them of it they'll say,
> "Well, that's because I'm doing dishes right now", or washing their
> hair or some other multi-tasking activity, which means whatever
> they're doing they're doing it half-assed. *I'm all for whatever
> works, but a lot of people on the cellphone remind me of hamsters in a
> cage and the wheel never stops.
>
> TJ
>
> TJ

My guess is that we'll be using multi-purpose earpieces that we'll be
able to connect to any number of devices. It'll be two-way
communication devices which uses the closed ear canal to isolate our
voice from environmental noises. It's going to work pretty good.

The convergence of phones and computers and extensive networking will
change our culture and society. I'm not gonna say if it's good or bad.
Mostly it just is.

On Dec 6, 12:39*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > dsi1 > wrote:
> > ...
> >> Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
> >> sure are. :-)
>
> > I'll tell ya this! I can count the number of times my landline phone
> > has been out in 50 years on ONE FINGER!!! And I never have to say "Can
> > you hear me now" except when the person I'm taking to on the phone is
> > on a bloody cell phone!
>
> Land lines just plain work but they are wired to a spot and they care
> about area codes.
>
> Cell phone ___ words and ___ces of words and {pop} they add noises.
> Often they randomly hang up for no apparent reason without so much as a
> vibrate to point out to you that the screen pressed against your ear
> suddenly displays "Call ended" in a way that your ear can't see. *Are
> there folks out there with ears that can see to be able to tell when
> your call just got dropped or do folsk redial every few calls without
> noticing? *The things may as well be walkie talkies for the quality of
> the sound on them. But what walkie talkie has a dailing range of most
> of the civilized world and a local toll free range of most of the
> continent?

My cell phone is dead reliable - mostly because I don't roam all over
the place. I use it as a business line and it affords me enormous
freedom of mobility. Thank you Jesus!

In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> On 12/6/2011 11:47 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Dec 6, 3:42 pm, > wrote:
> > ...
> >> Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
> >> sure are. :-)
> >
> > I'll tell ya this! I can count the number of times my landline phone
> > has been out in 50 years on ONE FINGER!!! And I never have to say "Can
> > you hear me now" except when the person I'm taking to on the phone is
> > on a bloody cell phone!
> >
> > Now that's reliability. Nothing like twisted pair of copper wires! ;-)
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> You can have either reliability or utility and mobility. Pick one.

I can't count the number of times my landline has gone down on the
fingers of both hands. And when it goes down, it's down for days. When
I can't get reception on my cell phone, that's normally pretty temporary.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 12/6/2011 2:00 PM, Dan Abel wrote:
> In >,
> > wrote:
>
>> On 12/6/2011 11:47 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Dec 6, 3:42 pm, > wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
>>>> sure are. :-)
>>>
>>> I'll tell ya this! I can count the number of times my landline phone
>>> has been out in 50 years on ONE FINGER!!! And I never have to say "Can
>>> you hear me now" except when the person I'm taking to on the phone is
>>> on a bloody cell phone!
>>>
>>> Now that's reliability. Nothing like twisted pair of copper wires! ;-)
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> You can have either reliability or utility and mobility. Pick one.
>
> I can't count the number of times my landline has gone down on the
> fingers of both hands. And when it goes down, it's down for days. When
> I can't get reception on my cell phone, that's normally pretty temporary.
>

Sounds like you're saying that you can't get reliable phone service. We
had a tropical storm that knocked out our electricity several years ago.
The cell system worked well, that is, until the batteries on the towers
died out. As I recall, they lasted about 20 hours. The landlines worked
fine throughout. My understanding is that they have their own 67 volt DC
power system.

Doug Freyburger > wrote:

>Land lines just plain work but they are wired to a spot and they care
>about area codes.

>Cell phone ___ words and ___ces of words and {pop} they add noises.
>Often they randomly hang up for no apparent reason without so much as a
>vibrate to point out to you that the screen pressed against your ear
>suddenly displays "Call ended" in a way that your ear can't see. Are
>there folks out there with ears that can see to be able to tell when
>your call just got dropped or do folsk redial every few calls without
>noticing? The things may as well be walkie talkies for the quality of
>the sound on them.

This is all true but it's not inherent to cell phones vs. land line
phones. Instead, it has to do with history and monopolies.

In the beginning, Bell Telephone operated the land line system, had
no competitors, and established standards for what they called "toll
quality" performance. Roughly speaking, this meant a passband up
to 3 KHz, with a 26 dB signal-to-noise ratio, and an availability
of 999 days out of 1000. (Back then, the average outage was a day
in length.)

When mobile telephony was first being devised, many of the players
pushed for mobile phones of the same performance -- "toll quality".
In fact, the first two generations (AMPS and GSM) were pretty much
toll quality, but starting with CDMA the quality went drastically down,
at least under conditions of worst-case reception and high loads
(e.g. many handsets trying to communicate with the same tower).
At the same time, the monopolies were broken down and so economy
prevailed over quality.

It has now come full circle, with the cheapest landline services being
just as bad voice quality as the worst cellphones.

In short, they don't make 'em like they used to.

Steve

On Dec 5, 11:59*pm, Goomba > wrote:
> On 12/5/11 5:29 PM, BillyZoom wrote:
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> > On Dec 5, 4:18 pm, John > *wrote:
> >> On Dec 4, 12:49 pm, > *wrote:
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> >>> I had to get a personal cell phone because ether are no payphones
> >>> around anymore. *It's also a good idea that I can be
> >>> tracked/triangulated if I'm not around for a couple days. *I was a
> >>> late holdout to cell phones, but now I have one that cheap as dirt
> >>> compared to what other pay.
> >>> -sw
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> >> What did you get, and through what service? I may have to get one
> >> soon.
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> >> John Kuthe...
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> > Jesus. What kind of nurse doesn't have a cell phone? Are you really so
> > useless that nobody needs to call you?
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> <deadpan look> come'on.. the man writes cat posts to a cooking group.
> You and I both know he's a loser. That no one wants to hire or date him
> is pretty apparent as to why.- Hide quoted text -
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He is fascinating, but I'm starting to think he's just a made up
persona. How can somebody have so much education and exposure to
people and be such a...zilch?

On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:47:47 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

> On Dec 6, 3:42*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
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> > Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
> > sure are. :-)
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> I'll tell ya this! I can count the number of times my landline phone
> has been out in 50 years on ONE FINGER!!! And I never have to say "Can
> you hear me now" except when the person I'm taking to on the phone is
> on a bloody cell phone!
>
> Now that's reliability. Nothing like twisted pair of copper wires! ;-)
>
I lost my landline during the quake of '89... and our cell phone
didn't work either. A neighbor a few blocks away could call out with
her cell phone different carrier), so she invited a lot of the
neighbors to her house. Her mother in the Midwest took names and
numbers of the people we needed her to call and let know that we were
okay and that most of the city didn't look like what they were showing
on television.

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On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:33:17 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

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> You have a very different experience with mobile phones than I do. Or
> what i'd hear it's more like - You ___ a ver_ ____erent ex___ience with
> mobile phones {pop} I {click}. All in a voice like metal as usual.

Who is your carrier and which phone are you using?

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On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 15:56:27 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> My cell phone is dead reliable - mostly because I don't roam all over
> the place. I use it as a business line and it affords me enormous
> freedom of mobility.

I roam and I've even received a phone call in Tibet.

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On 6/12/2011 8:56 PM, Tommy Joe wrote:
<snipped>

> planners. Then it hit me, as maybe it should have hit me earlier -
> that the phone-number address book is hard to find these days because
> of the cellphone. People store numbers in their phones. Of course
> when their phones go down or are lost they typically have no backup as
> they have placed all their faith in the tiny electronic instruments
> that rule most people's lives.
>
> TJ
>
I keep a lot of numbers in my cell phone but not all. I still have the
address book(s) to do the heavy haulage .. and there's a lot of numbers
in there. Comes from having a huge extended family I guess.

Even if the cell phone is the only place people store numbers, there is
no reason why that critical data should not be backed up. My phone, a
Nokia, comes with backup facility so I can keep a copy of everything on
my computer. As well, I store all contact info on the sim card and not
the phone. That way, if the phone dies, I just need to move the sim card
to another phone of similar type. Learnt that lesson when I moved from a
Philips phone to a Nokia - incompatible data formats...

I NEVER place all my faith in "tiny electronic instruments" without one
or more forms of data safeguard. Anyone who does not do this is foolish.

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Krypsis

On 7/12/2011 8:47 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Dec 6, 3:42 pm, > wrote:
> ....
>> Landlines should be called "smug phones" cause some folks using them
>> sure are. :-)
>
> I'll tell ya this! I can count the number of times my landline phone
> has been out in 50 years on ONE FINGER!!! And I never have to say "Can
> you hear me now" except when the person I'm taking to on the phone is
> on a bloody cell phone!
>
> Now that's reliability. Nothing like twisted pair of copper wires! ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...

Or a twisted mind like yours....

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Krypsis

I have a cell phone for when I am in the car. I don't give the number
out to people because it's for me to call others. I have the simple
Tracphone. Every 3mos I buy service for another 3mos and that costs me
$20. $80 a year. It's been the same ever since I bought it 3-4yrs ago.
Since I don't use the cell alot, my minutes keep accumulating. Anyone
need to make a 900 minute call??

I have seen the young people at work with their fancy phones and its
nothing more than keeping up with the Joneses imo. They are spending
alot of money on all of their conveniences-money when they are
middle-aged that they will wish they had invested instead. and those
camera phones are just plain rude-people use them for all the wrong
reasons.

I do wish the cell phone was a little bit bigger or had a handle on
it-it feels odd to talk into the air instead of into a receiver and it
is so darn easy to drop it :-)

On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:32:50 +1100, Krypsis >
wrote:

> Even if the cell phone is the only place people store numbers, there is
> no reason why that critical data should not be backed up. My phone, a
> Nokia, comes with backup facility so I can keep a copy of everything on
> my computer. As well, I store all contact info on the sim card and not
> the phone.

I didn't know it was possible to do one or the other, my phone is an
LG. How do we figure out where the phone book data is stored and
switch if it's not on the SIM card?

> That way, if the phone dies, I just need to move the sim card
> to another phone of similar type. Learnt that lesson when I moved from a
> Philips phone to a Nokia - incompatible data formats...

Better yet, how do you back up the data to your computer (or even
better, a portable hard drive). I don't have the internet on my
phone.
>
> I NEVER place all my faith in "tiny electronic instruments" without one
> or more forms of data safeguard. Anyone who does not do this is foolish.

Some of us just have to have faith. I've found that rechargeable
batteries last around 4 years and won't keep a significant charge
around the time I need to renew; so I get a new phone and they switch
my address book from the old phone to the new one. I haven't had a
problem so far, but I like the idea of being able to back up the phone
book somewhere.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Dec 6, 6:33*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:


> You have a very different experience with mobile phones than I do. *Or
> what i'd hear it's more like - You ___ a ver_ ____erent ex___ience with
> mobile phones {pop} I {click}. *All in a voice like metal as usual.

> Even with the crappy calls that hang up in the middle of the ....


I do not like cellphones but see their advantages. Even more I
see why they exist, because people are so busy trying to get ahead
they can't turn the plug off. But even though I don't like cellphones
and use mine only to drive the cab, I can see why they exist - and
while I agree the dropped calls are annoying I am also old enough to
remember when they didn't exist and am therefore able to marvel that
they work at all. I'm not for or against any of the changes that take
place in our world. I might have my own opinions, but I'm not going
to war over them. I don't even know if I'd fight for my own life.

Call you tomorrow, say noonish, we'll take about it,
TJ

On Dec 6, 6:51*pm, dsi1 > wrote:

> My guess is that we'll be using multi-purpose earpieces that we'll be
> able to connect to any number of devices. It'll be two-way
> communication devices which uses the closed ear canal to isolate our
> voice from environmental noises. It's going to work pretty good.
>
> The convergence of phones and computers and extensive networking will
> change our culture and society. I'm not gonna say if it's good or bad.
> Mostly it just is.


My feelings almost exactly. But it's not going to stop me from
griping now and again when things aren't going quite my way. Yes, you
are right - it just is. I am not against any of this stuff, I just
don't want to be enslaved by it. We all have our limits. Like an
alcoholic for whom one drink is too many, sometimes one electronic
device might be too much for those with an addiction to new toys. I'm
not against something because it's new or different, I just want to
know how much it's going to cost before I buy into it. But finally,
speaking strictly for myself, I can say that holding the cellphone
(for me), feels stressful and chore-like and tedious and I can
honestly say it annoys me to the point of irritation that is similar
to the feeling one gets when they haven't eaten in a day.

TJ

Tommy Joe > wrote:

>I do not like cellphones but see their advantages. Even more I
>see why they exist, because people are so busy trying to get ahead
>they can't turn the plug off. But even though I don't like cellphones
>and use mine only to drive the cab, I can see why they exist - and
>while I agree the dropped calls are annoying I am also old enough to
>remember when they didn't exist and am therefore able to marvel that
>they work at all. I'm not for or against any of the changes that take
>place in our world. I might have my own opinions, but I'm not going
>to war over them. I don't even know if I'd fight for my own life.

>Call you tomorrow, say noonish, we'll take about it,

Haha.

On the rest of the above, I see smartphones as encouraging people
to take public transit to work, or to play, because that way
they are not driving and can remain glued to the smartphone, where
they can text, facebook, and maybe even work.

I was taking Amtrak one hour each way to work last month, many
riders there were social-networking the entire time. The oddballs --
gamers, laptop users, or persons like me simply listening to the
radio -- are fewer and fewer.


Steve

On 7/12/2011 3:01 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:32:50 +1100, >
> wrote:
>
>> Even if the cell phone is the only place people store numbers, there is
>> no reason why that critical data should not be backed up. My phone, a
>> Nokia, comes with backup facility so I can keep a copy of everything on
>> my computer. As well, I store all contact info on the sim card and not
>> the phone.
>
> I didn't know it was possible to do one or the other, my phone is an
> LG. How do we figure out where the phone book data is stored and
> switch if it's not on the SIM card?

Not too sure about how you check but my phone, a Nokia 6300, has an
option to move contacts under;

>contacts>move contacts>From phone to sim>

or

>contacts>move contacts>From sim to phone>

There is also an option to "copy contacts" but that creates duplicates
which make it a devil when looking up contacts. Best to move to one
place or the other. I prefer the sim but I am unsure just how much
memory space is available on the sim so some may find it inadequate.
>
>> That way, if the phone dies, I just need to move the sim card
>> to another phone of similar type. Learnt that lesson when I moved from a
>> Philips phone to a Nokia - incompatible data formats...
>
> Better yet, how do you back up the data to your computer (or even
> better, a portable hard drive). I don't have the internet on my
> phone.

Don't need the internet except to download the Nokia backup software and
that only to your computer. Mine came on a disk with the phone
originally and that is the version I use. Don't like the "new improved"
downloadable version. All you need then is a cable to connect to the
computer. Mine uses a fairly standard USB cable but some use a special
cable which you will need to purchase. You can, I suspect, also use
bluetooth to transfer/backup data. I haven't done this even though I
have a couple of bluetooth enabled computers here. Cable works for me
and is simple to set up. If you don't have bluetooth on your computer,
you can get a USB bluetooth dongle quite cheaply these days and they
seem to work OK. My Powermac has one of those - unused and unloved. My
laptops have bluetooth built in.
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>> I NEVER place all my faith in "tiny electronic instruments" without one
>> or more forms of data safeguard. Anyone who does not do this is foolish.
>
> Some of us just have to have faith. I've found that rechargeable
> batteries last around 4 years and won't keep a significant charge
> around the time I need to renew; so I get a new phone and they switch
> my address book from the old phone to the new one. I haven't had a
> problem so far, but I like the idea of being able to back up the phone
> book somewhere.
>
Losing all your data just once will give your faith an incredible shake.
I've been lucky never to have lost what I would consider critical data
but then, I always have a backup or two of all important stuff.

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Krypsis

On Dec 6, 10:32*pm, Krypsis > wrote:

> I NEVER place all my faith in "tiny electronic instruments" without one
> or more forms of data safeguard. Anyone who does not do this is foolish.


Exactly. Of course I wasn't talking about everybody. Stupidity
knows no bounds. I know because I'm stupid. But really, of course I
know that some people use their new toys smartly while many or even
most rely on their new toys being smart for them. So you are one who
uses things instead of letting them use you. But I'm afraid you may
not be the norm. Not that I really care. Whatever they do, they do -
I don't care - until I'm forced to join the parade after years of
purposely staying out of it. Other than that aspect, I have no really
strong opinions on what people use or even how they use it.

TJ

On Dec 6, 10:50*pm, (z z) wrote:

> I do wish the cell phone was a little bit bigger or had a handle on
> it-it feels odd to talk into the air instead of into a receiver and it
> is so darn easy to drop it :-)


It's like I said in an earlier post, there should be a cellphone
for home use, one that is built in the shape of the old princess
phone. Or a cellphone could be snapped into a housing shaped like a
phone. I hate holding that thing. I use it for work, driving a cab,
but it is not finger or mind friendly. I makes me want to kill.
Rush, rush, rush - that's what it's all about. Today's luxury is
tomorrow's necessity.

TJ