On Jan 28, 5:55*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 4:50*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28, 4:30*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 28, 3:01*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > > > Bryan wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 24, 9:22 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > > >> Bryan wrote:
> > > > >>> On Jan 24, 2:01 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > > >>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Jan 23, 5:55 pm, Bryan > wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> On Jan 23, 6:45 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>> Bryan wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 10:22 pm, "Julie Bove" >
> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Because we were snowed in here for a week and I knew we were
> > > > >>>>>>>>> going to be, I bought two cans of refrigerated biscuits. This
> > > > >>>>>>>>> is not something I normally buy but I knew my bread wouldn't
> > > > >>>>>>>>> be good at the end of the week and apparently you can not buy
> > > > >>>>>>>>> a single loaf of frozen bread dough. I do not keep wheat
> > > > >>>>>>>>> flour in the house because of my daughter's allergy.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> So tonight after we finally got out and got some more
> > > > >>>>>>>>> groceries, I noticed some horrible oozing thing in the door of
> > > > >>>>>>>>> the fridge. It was the biscuits. My daughter said they had
> > > > >>>>>>>>> fallen on the floor and they had. I remembered it. And they
> > > > >>>>>>>>> looked intact at the time. But apparently it was enough to pop
> > > > >>>>>>>>> them open.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> And boy did they look bad! The can must have been busted like
> > > > >>>>>>>>> that for a while. They were all dried out with just a few
> > > > >>>>>>>>> moist oozing spots. Ick!
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Those things are shitty anyway. No one with any sense buys them
> > > > >>>>>>>> in the first place.
>
> > > > >>>>>>> I'm sure they're not the best. But if you are snowed in and
> > > > >>>>>>> hungry...
>
> > > > >>>>>> Every one I've ever seen is made with partially hydrogenated
> > > > >>>>>> oils. You bought poison.
>
> > > > >>>>> Another reason to buy frozen bread: no trans fats:
>
> > > > >>>>> Unbleached enriched white flour (wheat flour, niacin, ferrous
> > > > >>>>> sulfate or reduced iron, thiamin monoitrate, riboflavin follic
> > > > >>>>> acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, soybean oil and/or
> > > > >>>>> canola oil, salt, malt, sodium stearoyl lactylate, yeast nutrients
> > > > >>>>> (calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride), ascorbic acid, enzyme (added
> > > > >>>>> for improved baking). CONTAINS: WHEAT, SOY
>
> > > > >>> Pillsbury Grands! Cinnamon Rolls, with Icing
>
> > > > >>> Ingredients
> > > > >>> Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate,
> > > > >>> Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, Sugar,
> > > > >>> Partially Hydrogenated Soybean and/or Cottonseed Oil, Dextrose,
> > > > >>> Wheat Starch, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Baking Powder (Baking Soda,
> > > > >>> Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate), Whey, Salt,
> > > > >>> Corn Starch, Cinnamon, Vital Wheat Gluten, Mono and Diglycerides,
> > > > >>> Corn Syrup Solids, Datem, Sodium Alginate, Xanthan Gum, Natural and
> > > > >>> Artificial Flavor, Polysorbate 60, Potassium Sorbate
> > > > >>> (Preservative), Yellow 5, Red 40, Color Added.
>
> > > > >>> source--
> > > > >>>http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/st...tDisplay?produ...
>
> > > > >>>> High fructose corn syrup is bad!
>
> > > > >>> How is high fructose corn syrup worse than plain sugar?
> > > > >>> You are an idiot.
>
> > > > >> It's linked to heart problems in diabetics. And I am a diabetic. I
> > > > >> don't eat cinnamon rolls in any way shape or form.
>
> > > > > Sorry, your husband is an idiot. *You are merely a moron.
> > > > > Regular sugar cause all the same problems as HFCS.
>
> > > > Oh. *So sugar causes heart problems in diabetes? *Cite please!
>
> > > If you weren't a dimwit you'd know that sugar is 50% fructose/50%
> > > glucose, and HFCS is 55% fructose/45% glucose. *The difference is very
> > > small.
>
> > > --Bryan
>
> > I though cane sugar was sucrose?
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> AHA!!!
>
> "In food, "sugars" refer to all monosaccharides and disaccharides
> present in food, but excludes polyols,[4] while in its singular form,
> "sugar" normally refers to sucrose. "
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar
>
> I was correct!
>
> John Kuthe...

A true battle of the brains. It's a shame one of you has to be right.

On Jan 28, 5:20*pm, BillyZoom > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 5:55*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28, 4:50*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 28, 4:30*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 28, 3:01*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > > > > Bryan wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 24, 9:22 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > > > >> Bryan wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Jan 24, 2:01 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > > > >>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Jan 23, 5:55 pm, Bryan > wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> On Jan 23, 6:45 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Bryan wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 10:22 pm, "Julie Bove" >
> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Because we were snowed in here for a week and I knew we were
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> going to be, I bought two cans of refrigerated biscuits.. This
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> is not something I normally buy but I knew my bread wouldn't
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> be good at the end of the week and apparently you can not buy
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> a single loaf of frozen bread dough. I do not keep wheat
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> flour in the house because of my daughter's allergy.
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> So tonight after we finally got out and got some more
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> groceries, I noticed some horrible oozing thing in the door of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> the fridge. It was the biscuits. My daughter said they had
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> fallen on the floor and they had. I remembered it. And they
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> looked intact at the time. But apparently it was enough to pop
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> them open.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> And boy did they look bad! The can must have been busted like
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> that for a while. They were all dried out with just a few
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> moist oozing spots. Ick!
>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Those things are shitty anyway. No one with any sense buys them
> > > > > >>>>>>>> in the first place.
>
> > > > > >>>>>>> I'm sure they're not the best. But if you are snowed in and
> > > > > >>>>>>> hungry...
>
> > > > > >>>>>> Every one I've ever seen is made with partially hydrogenated
> > > > > >>>>>> oils. You bought poison.
>
> > > > > >>>>> Another reason to buy frozen bread: no trans fats:
>
> > > > > >>>>> Unbleached enriched white flour (wheat flour, niacin, ferrous
> > > > > >>>>> sulfate or reduced iron, thiamin monoitrate, riboflavin follic
> > > > > >>>>> acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, soybean oil and/or
> > > > > >>>>> canola oil, salt, malt, sodium stearoyl lactylate, yeast nutrients
> > > > > >>>>> (calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride), ascorbic acid, enzyme (added
> > > > > >>>>> for improved baking). CONTAINS: WHEAT, SOY
>
> > > > > >>> Pillsbury Grands! Cinnamon Rolls, with Icing
>
> > > > > >>> Ingredients
> > > > > >>> Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate,
> > > > > >>> Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, Sugar,
> > > > > >>> Partially Hydrogenated Soybean and/or Cottonseed Oil, Dextrose,
> > > > > >>> Wheat Starch, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Baking Powder (Baking Soda,
> > > > > >>> Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate), Whey, Salt,
> > > > > >>> Corn Starch, Cinnamon, Vital Wheat Gluten, Mono and Diglycerides,
> > > > > >>> Corn Syrup Solids, Datem, Sodium Alginate, Xanthan Gum, Natural and
> > > > > >>> Artificial Flavor, Polysorbate 60, Potassium Sorbate
> > > > > >>> (Preservative), Yellow 5, Red 40, Color Added.
>
> > > > > >>> source--
> > > > > >>>http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/st...tDisplay?produ...
>
> > > > > >>>> High fructose corn syrup is bad!
>
> > > > > >>> How is high fructose corn syrup worse than plain sugar?
> > > > > >>> You are an idiot.
>
> > > > > >> It's linked to heart problems in diabetics. And I am a diabetic. I
> > > > > >> don't eat cinnamon rolls in any way shape or form.
>
> > > > > > Sorry, your husband is an idiot. *You are merely a moron.
> > > > > > Regular sugar cause all the same problems as HFCS.
>
> > > > > Oh. *So sugar causes heart problems in diabetes? *Cite please!
>
> > > > If you weren't a dimwit you'd know that sugar is 50% fructose/50%
> > > > glucose, and HFCS is 55% fructose/45% glucose. *The difference is very
> > > > small.
>
> > > > --Bryan
>
> > > I though cane sugar was sucrose?
>
> > > John Kuthe...
>
> > AHA!!!
>
> > "In food, "sugars" refer to all monosaccharides and disaccharides
> > present in food, but excludes polyols,[4] while in its singular form,
> > "sugar" normally refers to sucrose. "
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar
>
> > I was correct!
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> A true battle of the brains. It's a shame one of you has to be right.

No none here yanked your chain, BillyZoom. Go back to your corner and
reapply you "asshole" hat, sit on the stool and shut up!

;-)

John Kuthe...

On Jan 28, 6:41*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Jan 28, 5:20*pm, BillyZoom > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28, 5:55*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 28, 4:50*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 28, 4:30*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 28, 3:01*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Bryan wrote:
> > > > > > > On Jan 24, 9:22 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > > > > >> Bryan wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Jan 24, 2:01 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Jan 23, 5:55 pm, Bryan > wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Jan 23, 6:45 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Bryan wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 10:22 pm, "Julie Bove" >
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Because we were snowed in here for a week and I knew we were
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> going to be, I bought two cans of refrigerated biscuits. This
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> is not something I normally buy but I knew my bread wouldn't
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> be good at the end of the week and apparently you can not buy
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> a single loaf of frozen bread dough. I do not keep wheat
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> flour in the house because of my daughter's allergy.
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> So tonight after we finally got out and got some more
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> groceries, I noticed some horrible oozing thing in the door of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the fridge. It was the biscuits. My daughter said they had
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> fallen on the floor and they had. I remembered it. And they
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> looked intact at the time. But apparently it was enough to pop
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> them open.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> And boy did they look bad! The can must have been busted like
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> that for a while. They were all dried out with just a few
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> moist oozing spots. Ick!
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Those things are shitty anyway. No one with any sense buys them
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in the first place.
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> I'm sure they're not the best. But if you are snowed in and
> > > > > > >>>>>>> hungry...
>
> > > > > > >>>>>> Every one I've ever seen is made with partially hydrogenated
> > > > > > >>>>>> oils. You bought poison.
>
> > > > > > >>>>> Another reason to buy frozen bread: no trans fats:
>
> > > > > > >>>>> Unbleached enriched white flour (wheat flour, niacin, ferrous
> > > > > > >>>>> sulfate or reduced iron, thiamin monoitrate, riboflavin follic
> > > > > > >>>>> acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, soybean oil and/or
> > > > > > >>>>> canola oil, salt, malt, sodium stearoyl lactylate, yeast nutrients
> > > > > > >>>>> (calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride), ascorbic acid, enzyme (added
> > > > > > >>>>> for improved baking). CONTAINS: WHEAT, SOY
>
> > > > > > >>> Pillsbury Grands! Cinnamon Rolls, with Icing
>
> > > > > > >>> Ingredients
> > > > > > >>> Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate,
> > > > > > >>> Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, Sugar,
> > > > > > >>> Partially Hydrogenated Soybean and/or Cottonseed Oil, Dextrose,
> > > > > > >>> Wheat Starch, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Baking Powder (Baking Soda,
> > > > > > >>> Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate), Whey, Salt,
> > > > > > >>> Corn Starch, Cinnamon, Vital Wheat Gluten, Mono and Diglycerides,
> > > > > > >>> Corn Syrup Solids, Datem, Sodium Alginate, Xanthan Gum, Natural and
> > > > > > >>> Artificial Flavor, Polysorbate 60, Potassium Sorbate
> > > > > > >>> (Preservative), Yellow 5, Red 40, Color Added.
>
> > > > > > >>> source--
> > > > > > >>>http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/st...tDisplay?produ...
>
> > > > > > >>>> High fructose corn syrup is bad!
>
> > > > > > >>> How is high fructose corn syrup worse than plain sugar?
> > > > > > >>> You are an idiot.
>
> > > > > > >> It's linked to heart problems in diabetics. And I am a diabetic. I
> > > > > > >> don't eat cinnamon rolls in any way shape or form.
>
> > > > > > > Sorry, your husband is an idiot. *You are merely a moron.
> > > > > > > Regular sugar cause all the same problems as HFCS.
>
> > > > > > Oh. *So sugar causes heart problems in diabetes? *Cite please!
>
> > > > > If you weren't a dimwit you'd know that sugar is 50% fructose/50%
> > > > > glucose, and HFCS is 55% fructose/45% glucose. *The difference is very
> > > > > small.
>
> > > > > --Bryan
>
> > > > I though cane sugar was sucrose?
>
> > > > John Kuthe...
>
> > > AHA!!!
>
> > > "In food, "sugars" refer to all monosaccharides and disaccharides
> > > present in food, but excludes polyols,[4] while in its singular form,
> > > "sugar" normally refers to sucrose. "
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar
>
> > > I was correct!
>
> > > John Kuthe...
>
> > A true battle of the brains. It's a shame one of you has to be right.
>
> No none here yanked your chain, BillyZoom. Go back to your corner and
> reapply you "asshole" hat, sit on the stool and shut up!
>
> ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...

Wow, you really told me. I think. If I could ****ing make out what you
said.

In article >, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

> Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > He was claiming he had some store where he could get a huge bag of whole
> > apples for 99 cents or some such thing.

as usual your memory and thought processes are wrong. I said a 3# bag of whole
apples, not a "huge" bag. I can get a huge bag of apples at the farmers market
for slightly more per pound but a better selection of varieties. And I don't
live in a state that prides itself on its Apples.


He was telling me to do the same.
> > I have no such store here. He was claiming if he could buy them for that
> > price, I could too. That's how this whole thing started. It was in another
> > newsgroup. I wasn't complaining about the price of apples. I just
> > mentioned the sliced ones for some reason and now I can't even remember why.
>
> You were wondering how to fit an apple
> into the slot of a toaster?

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>
> Good then don't! Yes of course pre-sliced apples have the peel. But you're
> not biting directly into it with your front teeth. At least I don't. I
> turn them sideways to eat them. I know. I just ate some.

but that wasn't your original concern. You've just added it to make your
sob-story seem more palatable

In article >,
merryb > wrote:

> > Good then don't! *Yes of course pre-sliced apples have the peel. *But you're
> > not biting directly into it with your front teeth. *At least I don't. *I
> > turn them sideways to eat them. *I know. *I just ate some.
>
> Don't you have a peeler?

she won't use an apple slicer because she'd have to clean it and deal with the
core and you think she'd use a peeler and not complain about having to deal with
the peels?

Bryan wrote:
> On Jan 28, 3:01 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> Bryan wrote:
>>> On Jan 24, 9:22 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2:01 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 5:55 pm, Bryan > wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 6:45 pm, "Julie Bove" >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 10:22 pm, "Julie Bove" >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Because we were snowed in here for a week and I knew we were
>>>>>>>>>>> going to be, I bought two cans of refrigerated biscuits.
>>>>>>>>>>> This is not something I normally buy but I knew my bread
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be good at the end of the week and apparently you
>>>>>>>>>>> can not buy a single loaf of frozen bread dough. I do not
>>>>>>>>>>> keep wheat flour in the house because of my daughter's
>>>>>>>>>>> allergy.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So tonight after we finally got out and got some more
>>>>>>>>>>> groceries, I noticed some horrible oozing thing in the door
>>>>>>>>>>> of the fridge. It was the biscuits. My daughter said they
>>>>>>>>>>> had fallen on the floor and they had. I remembered it. And
>>>>>>>>>>> they looked intact at the time. But apparently it was
>>>>>>>>>>> enough to pop them open.
>>>>>>>>>>> And boy did they look bad! The can must have been busted
>>>>>>>>>>> like that for a while. They were all dried out with just a
>>>>>>>>>>> few moist oozing spots. Ick!
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Those things are shitty anyway. No one with any sense buys
>>>>>>>>>> them in the first place.
>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they're not the best. But if you are snowed in and
>>>>>>>>> hungry...
>>
>>>>>>>> Every one I've ever seen is made with partially hydrogenated
>>>>>>>> oils. You bought poison.
>>
>>>>>>> Another reason to buy frozen bread: no trans fats:
>>
>>>>>>> Unbleached enriched white flour (wheat flour, niacin, ferrous
>>>>>>> sulfate or reduced iron, thiamin monoitrate, riboflavin follic
>>>>>>> acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, soybean oil
>>>>>>> and/or canola oil, salt, malt, sodium stearoyl lactylate, yeast
>>>>>>> nutrients (calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride), ascorbic acid,
>>>>>>> enzyme (added for improved baking). CONTAINS: WHEAT, SOY
>>
>>>>> Pillsbury Grands! Cinnamon Rolls, with Icing
>>
>>>>> Ingredients
>>>>> Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate,
>>>>> Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, Sugar,
>>>>> Partially Hydrogenated Soybean and/or Cottonseed Oil, Dextrose,
>>>>> Wheat Starch, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Baking Powder (Baking
>>>>> Soda, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate),
>>>>> Whey, Salt, Corn Starch, Cinnamon, Vital Wheat Gluten, Mono and
>>>>> Diglycerides, Corn Syrup Solids, Datem, Sodium Alginate, Xanthan
>>>>> Gum, Natural and Artificial Flavor, Polysorbate 60, Potassium
>>>>> Sorbate (Preservative), Yellow 5, Red 40, Color Added.
>>
>>>>> source--
>>>>> http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/st...tDisplay?produ...
>>
>>>>>> High fructose corn syrup is bad!
>>
>>>>> How is high fructose corn syrup worse than plain sugar?
>>>>> You are an idiot.
>>
>>>> It's linked to heart problems in diabetics. And I am a diabetic. I
>>>> don't eat cinnamon rolls in any way shape or form.
>>
>>> Sorry, your husband is an idiot. You are merely a moron.
>>> Regular sugar cause all the same problems as HFCS.
>>
>> Oh. So sugar causes heart problems in diabetes? Cite please!
>
> If you weren't a dimwit you'd know that sugar is 50% fructose/50%
> glucose, and HFCS is 55% fructose/45% glucose. The difference is very
> small.

Wrong! HFCS is a very different beast. Probably doesn't affect a normie
but does affect a diabetic. Just as eating fructose that is extracted from
the fruit and used as a sweetener. Left in the fruit and eaten as is, it is
combined with other sugars like sorbitol and glucose. They balance each
other.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Jan 28, 4:30 pm, Bryan > wrote:
>> On Jan 28, 3:01 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>> On Jan 24, 9:22 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2:01 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 5:55 pm, Bryan > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 6:45 pm, "Julie Bove" >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 10:22 pm, "Julie Bove" >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because we were snowed in here for a week and I knew we
>>>>>>>>>>>> were going to be, I bought two cans of refrigerated
>>>>>>>>>>>> biscuits. This is not something I normally buy but I knew
>>>>>>>>>>>> my bread wouldn't be good at the end of the week and
>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently you can not buy a single loaf of frozen bread
>>>>>>>>>>>> dough. I do not keep wheat flour in the house because of
>>>>>>>>>>>> my daughter's allergy.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So tonight after we finally got out and got some more
>>>>>>>>>>>> groceries, I noticed some horrible oozing thing in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> door of the fridge. It was the biscuits. My daughter said
>>>>>>>>>>>> they had fallen on the floor and they had. I remembered
>>>>>>>>>>>> it. And they looked intact at the time. But apparently it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was enough to pop them open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And boy did they look bad! The can must have been busted
>>>>>>>>>>>> like that for a while. They were all dried out with just a
>>>>>>>>>>>> few moist oozing spots. Ick!
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those things are shitty anyway. No one with any sense buys
>>>>>>>>>>> them in the first place.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they're not the best. But if you are snowed in and
>>>>>>>>>> hungry...
>>
>>>>>>>>> Every one I've ever seen is made with partially hydrogenated
>>>>>>>>> oils. You bought poison.
>>
>>>>>>>> Another reason to buy frozen bread: no trans fats:
>>
>>>>>>>> Unbleached enriched white flour (wheat flour, niacin, ferrous
>>>>>>>> sulfate or reduced iron, thiamin monoitrate, riboflavin follic
>>>>>>>> acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, soybean oil
>>>>>>>> and/or canola oil, salt, malt, sodium stearoyl lactylate,
>>>>>>>> yeast nutrients (calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride), ascorbic
>>>>>>>> acid, enzyme (added for improved baking). CONTAINS: WHEAT, SOY
>>
>>>>>> Pillsbury Grands! Cinnamon Rolls, with Icing
>>
>>>>>> Ingredients
>>>>>> Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate,
>>>>>> Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, Sugar,
>>>>>> Partially Hydrogenated Soybean and/or Cottonseed Oil, Dextrose,
>>>>>> Wheat Starch, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Baking Powder (Baking
>>>>>> Soda, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate),
>>>>>> Whey, Salt, Corn Starch, Cinnamon, Vital Wheat Gluten, Mono and
>>>>>> Diglycerides, Corn Syrup Solids, Datem, Sodium Alginate, Xanthan
>>>>>> Gum, Natural and Artificial Flavor, Polysorbate 60, Potassium
>>>>>> Sorbate (Preservative), Yellow 5, Red 40, Color Added.
>>
>>>>>> source--
>>>>>> http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/st...tDisplay?produ...
>>
>>>>>>> High fructose corn syrup is bad!
>>
>>>>>> How is high fructose corn syrup worse than plain sugar?
>>>>>> You are an idiot.
>>
>>>>> It's linked to heart problems in diabetics. And I am a diabetic. I
>>>>> don't eat cinnamon rolls in any way shape or form.
>>
>>>> Sorry, your husband is an idiot. You are merely a moron.
>>>> Regular sugar cause all the same problems as HFCS.
>>
>>> Oh. So sugar causes heart problems in diabetes? Cite please!
>>
>> If you weren't a dimwit you'd know that sugar is 50% fructose/50%
>> glucose, and HFCS is 55% fructose/45% glucose. The difference is very
>> small.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> I though cane sugar was sucrose?

It is.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:00:37 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Janet wrote:
>>> In article <d77ef227-c23a-4905-aae4-c22ffc21b717
>>> @kn4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, says...
>>>
>>>>> Good then don't! Yes of course pre-sliced apples have the peel.
>>>>> But you're not biting directly into it with your front teeth. At
>>>>> least I don't. I turn them sideways to eat them. I know. I just
>>>>> ate some.
>>>>
>>>> Don't you have a peeler?
>>>
>>> maybe she hasn't got teeth.
>>>
>>> Whoever heard of apple peel sticking in teeth..
>>> Janet
>>
>> Apparently your teeth aren't close together then. I also can't eat
>> corn on the cob for the same reason. And roast beef sticks in them
>> too.
>
> That's true for everyone, that's why dental floss was invented. Duh

No. It's not true for everyone. My friend has slight to large gaps between
all of her teeth. She doesn't ever have that problem. I can't get floss
between my upper two front teeth which is where the peel sticks. Why? I
have a permanent retainer there. That's a wire that goes across the teeth
held in place with I think plastic. The teeth are so close together the
dental hygenist got a flossing device stuck in there. She had to call the
dentist who had to remove it with pliers.

On Jan 28, 1:00*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> Janet wrote:
> > In article <d77ef227-c23a-4905-aae4-c22ffc21b717
> > @kn4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> >>> Good then don't! Yes of course pre-sliced apples have the peel. But
> >>> you're not biting directly into it with your front teeth. At least
> >>> I don't. I turn them sideways to eat them. I know. I just ate some.
>
> >> Don't you have a peeler?
>
> > * maybe she hasn't got teeth.
>
> > * Whoever heard of apple peel sticking in teeth..
> > * Janet
>
> Apparently your teeth aren't close together then. *I also can't eat corn on
> the cob for the same reason. *And roast beef sticks in them too.

Have you ever heard of dental floss or toothpicks?

"merryb" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 28, 1:00 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> Janet wrote:
> > In article <d77ef227-c23a-4905-aae4-c22ffc21b717
> > @kn4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> >>> Good then don't! Yes of course pre-sliced apples have the peel. But
> >>> you're not biting directly into it with your front teeth. At least
> >>> I don't. I turn them sideways to eat them. I know. I just ate some.
>
> >> Don't you have a peeler?
>
> > maybe she hasn't got teeth.
>
> > Whoever heard of apple peel sticking in teeth..
> > Janet
>
> Apparently your teeth aren't close together then. I also can't eat corn on
> the cob for the same reason. And roast beef sticks in them too.

Have you ever heard of dental floss or toothpicks?

As I said... I have a permanent retainer on the front two teeth where the
peel sticks. Impossible to floss them. And they are so close together that
a toothpick can't get in there.

On Jan 28, 10:36*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 3:01 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> Bryan wrote:
> >>> On Jan 24, 9:22 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >>>> Bryan wrote:
> >>>>> On Jan 24, 2:01 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >>>>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jan 23, 5:55 pm, Bryan > wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 6:45 pm, "Julie Bove" >
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Bryan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 10:22 pm, "Julie Bove" >
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Because we were snowed in here for a week and I knew we were
> >>>>>>>>>>> going to be, I bought two cans of refrigerated biscuits.
> >>>>>>>>>>> This is not something I normally buy but I knew my bread
> >>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be good at the end of the week and apparently you
> >>>>>>>>>>> can not buy a single loaf of frozen bread dough. I do not
> >>>>>>>>>>> keep wheat flour in the house because of my daughter's
> >>>>>>>>>>> allergy.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So tonight after we finally got out and got some more
> >>>>>>>>>>> groceries, I noticed some horrible oozing thing in the door
> >>>>>>>>>>> of the fridge. It was the biscuits. My daughter said they
> >>>>>>>>>>> had fallen on the floor and they had. I remembered it. And
> >>>>>>>>>>> they looked intact at the time. But apparently it was
> >>>>>>>>>>> enough to pop them open.
> >>>>>>>>>>> And boy did they look bad! The can must have been busted
> >>>>>>>>>>> like that for a while. They were all dried out with just a
> >>>>>>>>>>> few moist oozing spots. Ick!
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Those things are shitty anyway. No one with any sense buys
> >>>>>>>>>> them in the first place.
>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure they're not the best. But if you are snowed in and
> >>>>>>>>> hungry...
>
> >>>>>>>> Every one I've ever seen is made with partially hydrogenated
> >>>>>>>> oils. You bought poison.
>
> >>>>>>> Another reason to buy frozen bread: no trans fats:
>
> >>>>>>> Unbleached enriched white flour (wheat flour, niacin, ferrous
> >>>>>>> sulfate or reduced iron, thiamin monoitrate, riboflavin follic
> >>>>>>> acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, soybean oil
> >>>>>>> and/or canola oil, salt, malt, sodium stearoyl lactylate, yeast
> >>>>>>> nutrients (calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride), ascorbic acid,
> >>>>>>> enzyme (added for improved baking). CONTAINS: WHEAT, SOY
>
> >>>>> Pillsbury Grands! Cinnamon Rolls, with Icing
>
> >>>>> Ingredients
> >>>>> Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate,
> >>>>> Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, Sugar,
> >>>>> Partially Hydrogenated Soybean and/or Cottonseed Oil, Dextrose,
> >>>>> Wheat Starch, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Baking Powder (Baking
> >>>>> Soda, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate),
> >>>>> Whey, Salt, Corn Starch, Cinnamon, Vital Wheat Gluten, Mono and
> >>>>> Diglycerides, Corn Syrup Solids, Datem, Sodium Alginate, Xanthan
> >>>>> Gum, Natural and Artificial Flavor, Polysorbate 60, Potassium
> >>>>> Sorbate (Preservative), Yellow 5, Red 40, Color Added.
>
> >>>>> source--
> >>>>>http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/st...tDisplay?produ...
>
> >>>>>> High fructose corn syrup is bad!
>
> >>>>> How is high fructose corn syrup worse than plain sugar?
> >>>>> You are an idiot.
>
> >>>> It's linked to heart problems in diabetics. And I am a diabetic. I
> >>>> don't eat cinnamon rolls in any way shape or form.
>
> >>> Sorry, your husband is an idiot. You are merely a moron.
> >>> Regular sugar cause all the same problems as HFCS.
>
> >> Oh. So sugar causes heart problems in diabetes? Cite please!
>
> > If you weren't a dimwit you'd know that sugar is 50% fructose/50%
> > glucose, and HFCS is 55% fructose/45% glucose. *The difference is very
> > small.
>
> Wrong! *HFCS is a very different beast. *Probably doesn't affect a normie
> but does affect a diabetic. *Just as eating fructose that is extracted from
> the fruit and used as a sweetener. *Left in the fruit and eaten as is, it is
> combined with other sugars like sorbitol and glucose. *They balance each
> other.

The human body breaks down sucrose into 50-50 glucose and fructose in
short order. HFCS is only a tiny bit higher in fructose than cane
sugar. There is no magical "balance." There is little difference
between refined sucrose and HFCS. Diabetics should limit both, but
should also limit starches because the body quickly breaks starches
down into 100% glucose. That's why baked potatoes have such an
outrageously high glycemic index. The reason that fructose "left in
the fruit and eaten as is," is less problematic is because of fiber
and the fact that people generally eat less whole fruits than if the
fruits are juiced and they can drink them down as a beverage. HFCS
has been demonized, when really it's metabolically very similar to
"pure cane sugar," just less expensive.

--Bryan

Bryan wrote:
> On Jan 28, 10:36 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> Bryan wrote:
>>> On Jan 28, 3:01 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 24, 9:22 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2:01 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>>>>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 5:55 pm, Bryan > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 6:45 pm, "Julie Bove" >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 10:22 pm, "Julie Bove" >
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because we were snowed in here for a week and I knew we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were going to be, I bought two cans of refrigerated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> biscuits. This is not something I normally buy but I knew
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my bread wouldn't be good at the end of the week and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently you can not buy a single loaf of frozen bread
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dough. I do not keep wheat flour in the house because of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my daughter's allergy.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So tonight after we finally got out and got some more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> groceries, I noticed some horrible oozing thing in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> door of the fridge. It was the biscuits. My daughter said
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they had fallen on the floor and they had. I remembered
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. And they looked intact at the time. But apparently it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was enough to pop them open.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And boy did they look bad! The can must have been busted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that for a while. They were all dried out with just a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> few moist oozing spots. Ick!
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those things are shitty anyway. No one with any sense buys
>>>>>>>>>>>> them in the first place.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they're not the best. But if you are snowed in and
>>>>>>>>>>> hungry...
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every one I've ever seen is made with partially hydrogenated
>>>>>>>>>> oils. You bought poison.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Another reason to buy frozen bread: no trans fats:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Unbleached enriched white flour (wheat flour, niacin, ferrous
>>>>>>>>> sulfate or reduced iron, thiamin monoitrate, riboflavin follic
>>>>>>>>> acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, soybean oil
>>>>>>>>> and/or canola oil, salt, malt, sodium stearoyl lactylate,
>>>>>>>>> yeast nutrients (calcium sulfate, ammonium chloride),
>>>>>>>>> ascorbic acid, enzyme (added for improved baking). CONTAINS:
>>>>>>>>> WHEAT, SOY
>>
>>>>>>> Pillsbury Grands! Cinnamon Rolls, with Icing
>>
>>>>>>> Ingredients
>>>>>>> Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Ferrous Sulfate,
>>>>>>> Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Water, Sugar,
>>>>>>> Partially Hydrogenated Soybean and/or Cottonseed Oil, Dextrose,
>>>>>>> Wheat Starch, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Baking Powder (Baking
>>>>>>> Soda, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate),
>>>>>>> Whey, Salt, Corn Starch, Cinnamon, Vital Wheat Gluten, Mono and
>>>>>>> Diglycerides, Corn Syrup Solids, Datem, Sodium Alginate, Xanthan
>>>>>>> Gum, Natural and Artificial Flavor, Polysorbate 60, Potassium
>>>>>>> Sorbate (Preservative), Yellow 5, Red 40, Color Added.
>>
>>>>>>> source--
>>>>>>> http://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/st...tDisplay?produ...
>>
>>>>>>>> High fructose corn syrup is bad!
>>
>>>>>>> How is high fructose corn syrup worse than plain sugar?
>>>>>>> You are an idiot.
>>
>>>>>> It's linked to heart problems in diabetics. And I am a diabetic.
>>>>>> I don't eat cinnamon rolls in any way shape or form.
>>
>>>>> Sorry, your husband is an idiot. You are merely a moron.
>>>>> Regular sugar cause all the same problems as HFCS.
>>
>>>> Oh. So sugar causes heart problems in diabetes? Cite please!
>>
>>> If you weren't a dimwit you'd know that sugar is 50% fructose/50%
>>> glucose, and HFCS is 55% fructose/45% glucose. The difference is
>>> very small.
>>
>> Wrong! HFCS is a very different beast. Probably doesn't affect a
>> normie but does affect a diabetic. Just as eating fructose that is
>> extracted from the fruit and used as a sweetener. Left in the fruit
>> and eaten as is, it is combined with other sugars like sorbitol and
>> glucose. They balance each other.
>
> The human body breaks down sucrose into 50-50 glucose and fructose in
> short order. HFCS is only a tiny bit higher in fructose than cane
> sugar. There is no magical "balance." There is little difference
> between refined sucrose and HFCS. Diabetics should limit both, but
> should also limit starches because the body quickly breaks starches
> down into 100% glucose. That's why baked potatoes have such an
> outrageously high glycemic index. The reason that fructose "left in
> the fruit and eaten as is," is less problematic is because of fiber
> and the fact that people generally eat less whole fruits than if the
> fruits are juiced and they can drink them down as a beverage. HFCS
> has been demonized, when really it's metabolically very similar to
> "pure cane sugar," just less expensive.
>
> --Bryan

Duh to the rest but wrong on the HFCS thing.

In article >, atlas-
lid says...
>
> In article >,
> merryb > wrote:
>
> > > Good then don't! *Yes of course pre-sliced apples have the peel. *But you're
> > > not biting directly into it with your front teeth. *At least I don't. *I
> > > turn them sideways to eat them. *I know. *I just ate some.
> >
> > Don't you have a peeler?
>
> she won't use an apple slicer because she'd have to clean it and deal with the
> core and you think she'd use a peeler and not complain about having to deal with
> the peels?

Peels get stuck between her fingers

Janet

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:46:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Bryan wrote:
> >
> > The reason that fructose "left in
> > the fruit and eaten as is," is less problematic is because of fiber
> > and the fact that people generally eat less whole fruits than if the
> > fruits are juiced and they can drink them down as a beverage. HFCS
> > has been demonized, when really it's metabolically very similar to
> > "pure cane sugar," just less expensive.
> >
> > --Bryan
>
> Duh to the rest but wrong on the HFCS thing.
>
Actually, it's not DUH to a lot of people who aren't diabetics. My
husband's doctor had to spell it out in black & white for him about
whole oranges vs orange juice by the glass.

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In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> Bryan wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 3:01 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> Bryan wrote:
> >>> On Jan 24, 9:22 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >>>> Bryan wrote:
> >>>>> On Jan 24, 2:01 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:

[I snipped most of the Julie & Bryan show]

> >>>>>> High fructose corn syrup is bad!
> >>
> >>>>> How is high fructose corn syrup worse than plain sugar?
> >>>>> You are an idiot.
> >>
> >>>> It's linked to heart problems in diabetics. And I am a diabetic. I
> >>>> don't eat cinnamon rolls in any way shape or form.
> >>
> >>> Sorry, your husband is an idiot. You are merely a moron.
> >>> Regular sugar cause all the same problems as HFCS.
> >>
> >> Oh. So sugar causes heart problems in diabetes? Cite please!
> >
> > If you weren't a dimwit you'd know that sugar is 50% fructose/50%
> > glucose, and HFCS is 55% fructose/45% glucose. The difference is very
> > small.
>
> Wrong! HFCS is a very different beast. Probably doesn't affect a normie
> but does affect a diabetic. Just as eating fructose that is extracted from
> the fruit and used as a sweetener. Left in the fruit and eaten as is, it is
> combined with other sugars like sorbitol and glucose. They balance each
> other.

So, is this the "link" you refer to:

http://consumerist.com/2009/12/study...se-corn-syrup-
shown-to-cause-obesity-diabetes-heart-disease.html

It is accompanied by a nice picture of candy corn. Candy corn does not
contain HFCS. That sort of sets the tone for the whole article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_corn

A similar article, which I didn't find, received a scathing rebuttal
from the principle author of the study. He said:

1. The study had nothing to do with diabetes or heart disease
2. HFCS was not used in the study

As far as I know, there are no studies on humans contrasting HFCS and
regular sugar. Everything I've seen says they are basically the same,
nutritionally.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:46:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Bryan wrote:
>> >
>> > The reason that fructose "left in
>> > the fruit and eaten as is," is less problematic is because of fiber
>> > and the fact that people generally eat less whole fruits than if the
>> > fruits are juiced and they can drink them down as a beverage. HFCS
>> > has been demonized, when really it's metabolically very similar to
>> > "pure cane sugar," just less expensive.
>> >
>> > --Bryan
>>
>> Duh to the rest but wrong on the HFCS thing.
>>
> Actually, it's not DUH to a lot of people who aren't diabetics. My
> husband's doctor had to spell it out in black & white for him about
> whole oranges vs orange juice by the glass.

Seriously? Oh my.

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>> Bryan wrote:
>> > On Jan 28, 3:01 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >> Bryan wrote:
>> >>> On Jan 24, 9:22 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> >>>> Bryan wrote:
>> >>>>> On Jan 24, 2:01 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> [I snipped most of the Julie & Bryan show]
>
>> >>>>>> High fructose corn syrup is bad!
>> >>
>> >>>>> How is high fructose corn syrup worse than plain sugar?
>> >>>>> You are an idiot.
>> >>
>> >>>> It's linked to heart problems in diabetics. And I am a diabetic. I
>> >>>> don't eat cinnamon rolls in any way shape or form.
>> >>
>> >>> Sorry, your husband is an idiot. You are merely a moron.
>> >>> Regular sugar cause all the same problems as HFCS.
>> >>
>> >> Oh. So sugar causes heart problems in diabetes? Cite please!
>> >
>> > If you weren't a dimwit you'd know that sugar is 50% fructose/50%
>> > glucose, and HFCS is 55% fructose/45% glucose. The difference is very
>> > small.
>>
>> Wrong! HFCS is a very different beast. Probably doesn't affect a normie
>> but does affect a diabetic. Just as eating fructose that is extracted
>> from
>> the fruit and used as a sweetener. Left in the fruit and eaten as is, it
>> is
>> combined with other sugars like sorbitol and glucose. They balance each
>> other.
>
> So, is this the "link" you refer to:
>
> http://consumerist.com/2009/12/study...se-corn-syrup-
> shown-to-cause-obesity-diabetes-heart-disease.html
>
No. There used to be a link but I don't know where it is now. It was
verified by the now deceased Quentin Grady. It showed that HFCS did bad
things to the heart in people that have diabetes. I never made the claim
that it causes diabetes. I don't know if it does or not. I just know I
never ate it prior to diabetes so it didn't cause it for *me*.

> It is accompanied by a nice picture of candy corn. Candy corn does not
> contain HFCS. That sort of sets the tone for the whole article.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_corn

I don't know if it does or does not. I have made candy corn but I don't
remember what I put in it.
>
> A similar article, which I didn't find, received a scathing rebuttal
> from the principle author of the study. He said:
>
> 1. The study had nothing to do with diabetes or heart disease
> 2. HFCS was not used in the study
>
> As far as I know, there are no studies on humans contrasting HFCS and
> regular sugar. Everything I've seen says they are basically the same,
> nutritionally.

Well I have seen different.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:45:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...

> >>
> > Actually, it's not DUH to a lot of people who aren't diabetics. My
> > husband's doctor had to spell it out in black & white for him about
> > whole oranges vs orange juice by the glass.
>
> Seriously? Oh my.
>
Yup. Some otherwise normal, college educated people need to be hit
over the head with certain information. He's actually thinking he can
go low carb, no fat and no sugar. I asked him: what's left to eat?

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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:06:20 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Well they only stay frozen for so long. I would never use three loaves
>> in a
>> year. Last year I bought rolls and had to throw them out. They went
>> bad.
>
> You said a loaf wouldn't last you a week. That's 52+ loaves a year.
> How hard would it be to use up 3 frozen loaves in that time?

That's because it spoils. I bought a loaf of bread last week and ate only 2
slices from it. I don't eat a lot of bread. But I do like to keep it in
case I need to make a sandwich. Which once in a while I do need to do.

I do not want to bake bread because it would just torture my daughter. If I
had to bake a loaf because we were snowed in, I would. Would we be snowed
in three weeks in one year here? Not likely. Why is this still going on?
It's over!

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:44:24 -0000, Janet wrote:
>
>> In article >, atlas-
>> lid says...
>>>
>>> she won't use an apple slicer because she'd have to clean it and deal
>>> with the
>>> core and you think she'd use a peeler and not complain about having to
>>> deal with
>>> the peels?
>>
>> Peels get stuck between her fingers
>
> And stick to the side of the sink. I'm sure there's a few more dozen
> excuses we/she could think up.
>
How would peel stick to the sink? Do you put peel down your sink? Not only
was I told by several plumbers not to do this, our gargbage collection
company forbids us to do it. Says it causes pollution to put food in the
sink. We are required to buy Biobags (or similar), put the food in there,
tie the bag closed and put it in our yard waste. Because this is a PITA, I
try not to do things that would cause me to have to do this. Yes, I do cut
up onions. Yes there are skins and ends. I also have tomato ends and the
ends and insides of peppers. And some other things I can't bother to think
of at the moment.

But if I want to buy sliced apples then why are so many people getting upset
about it? Obviously there is a market for them or they wouldn't be sold.
To me they are a convenience food and a great snack. I'd much rather eat
those than potato chips.
> -sw

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:45:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>> >>
>> > Actually, it's not DUH to a lot of people who aren't diabetics. My
>> > husband's doctor had to spell it out in black & white for him about
>> > whole oranges vs orange juice by the glass.
>>
>> Seriously? Oh my.
>>
> Yup. Some otherwise normal, college educated people need to be hit
> over the head with certain information. He's actually thinking he can
> go low carb, no fat and no sugar. I asked him: what's left to eat?
>
> --
>
> Tell congress not to censor the web. Add your voice here.
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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:45:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>> >>
>> > Actually, it's not DUH to a lot of people who aren't diabetics. My
>> > husband's doctor had to spell it out in black & white for him about
>> > whole oranges vs orange juice by the glass.
>>
>> Seriously? Oh my.
>>
> Yup. Some otherwise normal, college educated people need to be hit
> over the head with certain information. He's actually thinking he can
> go low carb, no fat and no sugar. I asked him: what's left to eat?

I think I sent blank posts. Sorry. Going no fat is NOT the way to go. Low
fat, fine. No fat, very hard on the body. I used to eat a very low fat
diet and was urged by every dietician I saw to eat more fat. Some fats are
good. I no longer eat low fat cheeses because the body needs the CLA it
contains. Nuts, seeds and olives all contain good fats.

Before I knew of my gastroparesis I ate tons of huge low carb salads. I do
not like dressing. Never have. I would use either a squeeze of lemon juice
or some salsa on them. Beans do contain carbs but a lot of fiber. They are
good for you.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:29:25 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:44:24 -0000, Janet wrote:
>>
>>> In article >, atlas-
>>> lid says...
>>>>
>>>> she won't use an apple slicer because she'd have to clean it and deal
>>>> with the
>>>> core and you think she'd use a peeler and not complain about having to
>>>> deal with
>>>> the peels?
>>>
>>> Peels get stuck between her fingers
>>
>> And stick to the side of the sink. I'm sure there's a few more dozen
>> excuses we/she could think up.
>>
>How would peel stick to the sink? Do you put peel down your sink? Not only
>was I told by several plumbers not to do this, our gargbage collection
>company forbids us to do it. Says it causes pollution to put food in the
>sink. We are required to buy Biobags (or similar), put the food in there,
>tie the bag closed and put it in our yard waste. Because this is a PITA, I
>try not to do things that would cause me to have to do this. Yes, I do cut
>up onions. Yes there are skins and ends. I also have tomato ends and the
>ends and insides of peppers. And some other things I can't bother to think
>of at the moment.

I don't believe your garbage collection company said any such thing.
Produce doesn't cause pollution whether you flush it down the drain or
toss it out in your yard. Do you also have to poop in a biobag?

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> But if I want to buy sliced apples then why are so many people getting upset
> about it? Obviously there is a market for them or they wouldn't be sold.
> To me they are a convenience food and a great snack. I'd much rather eat
> those than potato chips.

no one gives a shit about what you eat except for the humor of you saying you
don't eat certain things only to later admit you do, but I personally, although
I wouldn't say I cared all that much, thought you were FoS when you said
pre-sliced apples were cheaper than whole apples and did my best to point it out

On Jan 29, 4:48*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:45:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:
>
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
> > > Actually, it's not DUH to a lot of people who aren't diabetics. *My
> > > husband's doctor had to spell it out in black & white for him about
> > > whole oranges vs orange juice by the glass.
>
> > Seriously? *Oh my.
>
> Yup. *Some otherwise normal, college educated people need to be hit
> over the head with certain information. *He's actually thinking he can
> go low carb, no fat and no sugar. *I asked him: what's left to eat?
>
An all protein diet is poison, and "no fat" means no essential fatty
acids. People get these notions in their heads that are not based on
sound research. When you write, "Some otherwise normal, college
educated people need to be hit over the head with certain
information," I agree 100%. High carb eating is for those who have
never been fat, and the rest of us should view starches as suspect.

--Bryan

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:29:25 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:44:24 -0000, Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >, atlas-
>>>> lid says...
>>>>>
>>>>> she won't use an apple slicer because she'd have to clean it and deal
>>>>> with the
>>>>> core and you think she'd use a peeler and not complain about having to
>>>>> deal with
>>>>> the peels?
>>>>
>>>> Peels get stuck between her fingers
>>>
>>> And stick to the side of the sink. I'm sure there's a few more dozen
>>> excuses we/she could think up.
>>>
>>How would peel stick to the sink? Do you put peel down your sink? Not
>>only
>>was I told by several plumbers not to do this, our gargbage collection
>>company forbids us to do it. Says it causes pollution to put food in the
>>sink. We are required to buy Biobags (or similar), put the food in there,
>>tie the bag closed and put it in our yard waste. Because this is a PITA,
>>I
>>try not to do things that would cause me to have to do this. Yes, I do
>>cut
>>up onions. Yes there are skins and ends. I also have tomato ends and the
>>ends and insides of peppers. And some other things I can't bother to
>>think
>>of at the moment.
>
> I don't believe your garbage collection company said any such thing.
> Produce doesn't cause pollution whether you flush it down the drain or
> toss it out in your yard. Do you also have to poop in a biobag?

Tossing it out in the yard is an allowable option as well. I just choose
not to compost here because it's stinky and I have no use for the compost.
But compost we must. I just let Waste Management do it for me.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:29:25 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:44:24 -0000, Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >, atlas-
>>>> lid says...
>>>>>
>>>>> she won't use an apple slicer because she'd have to clean it and deal
>>>>> with the
>>>>> core and you think she'd use a peeler and not complain about having to
>>>>> deal with
>>>>> the peels?
>>>>
>>>> Peels get stuck between her fingers
>>>
>>> And stick to the side of the sink. I'm sure there's a few more dozen
>>> excuses we/she could think up.
>>>
>> How would peel stick to the sink? Do you put peel down your sink?
>
> I peel things like cucumber, potatoes and apples in my sink, yes.
> Then I usually scrape it out and put into a bag (just like your
> biobags). If it saves me $1/lb, yes - that is what I do. I am not
> into enriching others to do for me what I can EASILY do for myself.
> Plus I would want all the chemicals and preservatives with god knows
> what mixed in from China all over my produce.
>
> No wonder you're allergic to everything - chemical poisoning.

I'm not allergic to everything! Just almonds, oysters and eggs. And the
big scary chemical they put on the apples is vitamin C!

Bryan wrote:
> On Jan 29, 4:48 pm, sf > wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:45:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>
>>>> Actually, it's not DUH to a lot of people who aren't diabetics. My
>>>> husband's doctor had to spell it out in black & white for him about
>>>> whole oranges vs orange juice by the glass.
>>
>>> Seriously? Oh my.
>>
>> Yup. Some otherwise normal, college educated people need to be hit
>> over the head with certain information. He's actually thinking he can
>> go low carb, no fat and no sugar. I asked him: what's left to eat?
>>
> An all protein diet is poison, and "no fat" means no essential fatty
> acids. People get these notions in their heads that are not based on
> sound research. When you write, "Some otherwise normal, college
> educated people need to be hit over the head with certain
> information," I agree 100%. High carb eating is for those who have
> never been fat, and the rest of us should view starches as suspect.

My friend knows of a woman who came close to killing her husband by feeding
him a mostly protein diet. She allowed him only skinless chicken breast,
some fish, egg whites and a limited amout of non-starchy vegetebles. She
thought such a diet would be good for his heart. He developed severely dry
skin and a plethora of otther problems, all of which the Dr. said related to
his diet.

I didn't used to think this way but now I believe it is best not to go to
extremes with diet. I managed to lose weight with a near Ornish diet.
Only difference was that I did eat a very limited amount of eggs, mostly the
whites and mostly in baking and a very small amount of low fat cheese. The
diet was mostly beans, whole grains and assorted vegetables. The only fat I
ate was what little was in the cheese and the very little that was in any
vegetables I ate. Like corn. I did eat olives occasionally but mainly only
if they were on a salad bar. And I did eat some nuts. I was constantly
hungry because there was not enough fat in my diet.

And I wasn't able to keep the weight off because it wasn't a diet I could
force myself to stick to for an extended length of time. I did manage to
keep the weight off for two years after I went off the diet.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:33:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I think I sent blank posts. Sorry. Going no fat is NOT the way to go. Low
> fat, fine. No fat, very hard on the body. I used to eat a very low fat
> diet and was urged by every dietician I saw to eat more fat. Some fats are
> good. I no longer eat low fat cheeses because the body needs the CLA it
> contains. Nuts, seeds and olives all contain good fats.

Right. I over stated it, but that's how I feel about the situation.
Plus there's no way I can cook that way. Might as well eat raw
vegetables and salad, AFAIC.
>
> Before I knew of my gastroparesis I ate tons of huge low carb salads. I do
> not like dressing. Never have. I would use either a squeeze of lemon juice
> or some salsa on them. Beans do contain carbs but a lot of fiber. They are
> good for you.
>
He doesn't even want to eat beans for the next 30 days. I'll be glad
when this is over. I made shepherd's pie tonight. Braised a lamb
shank shredded the meat and cut off as much fat as possible, reduced
the stock and attempted to thicken it with arrowroot. Used half a
package of mixed vegetables, some onion and button mushrooms. Sautéed
up the last of my frozen spinach and layered it on top of the veg/lamb
mixture. Switched out the potatoes for cauliflower. It wasn't bad, in
fact it was pretty darned good.

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 18:55:53 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote:

> 100%. High carb eating is for those who have never been fat,
That's my husband.

> and the rest of us should view starches as suspect.
Too late now. I'm fighting the battle of the bulge.


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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:33:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I think I sent blank posts. Sorry. Going no fat is NOT the way to go. Low
> fat, fine. No fat, very hard on the body. I used to eat a very low fat
> diet and was urged by every dietician I saw to eat more fat. Some fats are
> good. I no longer eat low fat cheeses because the body needs the CLA it
> contains. Nuts, seeds and olives all contain good fats.

Right. I over stated it, but that's how I feel about the situation.
Plus there's no way I can cook that way. Might as well eat raw
vegetables and salad, AFAIC.
>
> Before I knew of my gastroparesis I ate tons of huge low carb salads. I do
> not like dressing. Never have. I would use either a squeeze of lemon juice
> or some salsa on them. Beans do contain carbs but a lot of fiber. They are
> good for you.
>
He doesn't even want to eat beans for the next 30 days. I'll be glad
when this is over. I made shepherd's pie tonight. Braised a lamb
shank shredded the meat and cut off as much fat as possible, reduced
the stock and attempted to thicken it with arrowroot. Used half a
package of mixed vegetables, some onion and button mushrooms. Sautéed
up the last of my frozen spinach and layered it on top of the veg/lamb
mixture. Switched out the potatoes for cauliflower. It wasn't bad, in
fact it was pretty darned good.

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:22:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I did manage to
> keep the weight off for two years after I went off the diet.

Isn't the benchmark for if a diet sticks or not two years?

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On 1/29/2012 11:50 PM, sf wrote:

> He doesn't even want to eat beans for the next 30 days. I'll be glad
> when this is over. I made shepherd's pie tonight. Braised a lamb
> shank shredded the meat and cut off as much fat as possible, reduced
> the stock and attempted to thicken it with arrowroot. Used half a
> package of mixed vegetables, some onion and button mushrooms. Sautéed
> up the last of my frozen spinach and layered it on top of the veg/lamb
> mixture. Switched out the potatoes for cauliflower. It wasn't bad, in
> fact it was pretty darned good.

I hope that you both find a balance to the meals. What you made sure
sounds good to me.

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:11:55 -0500, Cheryl >
wrote:

> I hope that you both find a balance to the meals. What you made sure
> sounds good to me.

Thanks, but I need *lots* of recipe inspiration. Recipes welcomed.

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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:25:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:06:20 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well they only stay frozen for so long. I would never use three
>>>> loaves in a
>>>> year. Last year I bought rolls and had to throw them out. They
>>>> went bad.
>>>
>>> You said a loaf wouldn't last you a week. That's 52+ loaves a year.
>>> How hard would it be to use up 3 frozen loaves in that time?
>>
>> That's because it spoils. I bought a loaf of bread last week and
>> ate only 2 slices from it. I don't eat a lot of bread.
>
> You seem top waste a lot of money on unreasonable principles.
> Especially if I wasn't employed.
>
> If I bought a loaf of bread and only ate 2 slices a week, I'd put it
> in the fridge or freeze it rather than paying $1.29-$2.50 for 2 pieces
> of bread. No, I don't like to refridgerate bread either, but it's
> better than paying $1/slice.

You might. But I don't like the texture of bread once it has been frozen or
refrigerated. Oh and I have to pay more than that for a loaf of bread.
Apparently bread is cheap where you live?

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:22:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I did manage to
>> keep the weight off for two years after I went off the diet.
>
> Isn't the benchmark for if a diet sticks or not two years?

Dunno but I didn't stick to the diet for that long. It took me something
like 9 months to lose 30 pounds. I did stay on the diet for longer but
didn't lose any more weight. Then not long after that I began to eat butter
and real cheese again. I did still keep the weight off for 2 years after I
went off of the diet. But then the weight came back on rapidly.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:40:35 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:25:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:06:20 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well they only stay frozen for so long. I would never use three
>>>>>> loaves in a
>>>>>> year. Last year I bought rolls and had to throw them out. They
>>>>>> went bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said a loaf wouldn't last you a week. That's 52+ loaves a year.
>>>>> How hard would it be to use up 3 frozen loaves in that time?
>>>>
>>>> That's because it spoils. I bought a loaf of bread last week and
>>>> ate only 2 slices from it. I don't eat a lot of bread.
>>>
>>> You seem top waste a lot of money on unreasonable principles.
>>> Especially if I wasn't employed.
>>>
>>> If I bought a loaf of bread and only ate 2 slices a week, I'd put it
>>> in the fridge or freeze it rather than paying $1.29-$2.50 for 2 pieces
>>> of bread. No, I don't like to refridgerate bread either, but it's
>>> better than paying $1/slice.
>>
>> You might. But I don't like the texture of bread once it has been frozen
>> or
>> refrigerated. Oh and I have to pay more than that for a loaf of bread.
>> Apparently bread is cheap where you live?
>
> I pay $.88 for cheap white bread, HEB store brand - they make it
> themselves and bag it up just like Wonder or Mrs Bairds. But even at
> $.88, I'd still be freezing it.
>
> I guess paying $1.50 for a slice of bread doesn't bother you when you
> get free money.

The cheapest bread I've seen here is over a dollar a loaf but it contains
soy flour and HFCS. I don't normally eat those things. I don't think
Wonder is sold here. Not any more. I usually buy Bimbo. It's one of the
cheaper ones.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:22:34 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:40:35 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I bought a loaf of bread and only ate 2 slices a week, I'd put it
>>>>> in the fridge or freeze it rather than paying $1.29-$2.50 for 2 pieces
>>>>> of bread. No, I don't like to refridgerate bread either, but it's
>>>>> better than paying $1/slice.
>>>>
>>>> You might. But I don't like the texture of bread once it has been
>>>> frozen
>>>> or
>>>> refrigerated. Oh and I have to pay more than that for a loaf of bread.
>>>> Apparently bread is cheap where you live?
>>>
>>> I pay $.88 for cheap white bread, HEB store brand - they make it
>>> themselves and bag it up just like Wonder or Mrs Bairds. But even at
>>> $.88, I'd still be freezing it.
>>>
>>> I guess paying $1.50 for a slice of bread doesn't bother you when you
>>> get free money.
>>
>> The cheapest bread I've seen here is over a dollar a loaf but it contains
>> soy flour and HFCS. I don't normally eat those things. I don't think
>> Wonder is sold here. Not any more. I usually buy Bimbo. It's one of
>> the
>> cheaper ones.
>
> You just said you paid over $2.50/loaf.
>
> Oh, never mind. I'm tired of this pointless back and forth.

Yes! I didn't say that I bought the cheapest stuff. I think the Bimbo is
$2.68 at Winco and $2.54 at Walmart. And yes this whole thing is really
pointless.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:43:21 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:22:12 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I did manage to
> >> keep the weight off for two years after I went off the diet.
> >
> > Isn't the benchmark for if a diet sticks or not two years?
>
> Dunno but I didn't stick to the diet for that long. It took me something
> like 9 months to lose 30 pounds. I did stay on the diet for longer but
> didn't lose any more weight. Then not long after that I began to eat butter
> and real cheese again. I did still keep the weight off for 2 years after I
> went off of the diet. But then the weight came back on rapidly.
>
I was about to make an OP asking how *not* to lose weight on a low
carb diet, but I think you've answered the question. My husband wants
to "surprise" his doctor (hopefully) with better blood glucose numbers
in a few weeks. I feel frustrated because keeps his fats to around 20
grams a day and tries to eat as little animal fat as possible, period.
Needs to get his blood sugar down, which for him is cutting carbs
because he's good about sweets and he needs to raise his good
cholesterol, but he doesn't need to lose weight.

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