Bryan wrote:
>
> The human body breaks down sucrose into 50-50 glucose and fructose in
> short order. HFCS is only a tiny bit higher in fructose than cane
> sugar. There is no magical "balance." There is little difference
> between refined sucrose and HFCS.

The extra 5% fructose in HFCS makes a difference *when overeaten*
because the glucose is consumed by the cells therefore the fructose is
converted to fat. Calories for calorie the process that creates new fat
using fructose as a source is very inefficient. It ends up under 1% of
the total calories.

A larger effect is that when there is excess sugar, of any type, the
body is able to store dietary fat as stored fat. This is why cultures
that have starchy traditional diets had higher levels of obesity even
before the current generation experienced unlimited food.

Add these two effects together and the amount of fat deposited would
only be a tiny amount larger for HFCS than for sucrose. What actually
happens is a bit worse.

There's an evolutionary force at work here. A lot of our ancestors
lived in regions that had four seasons so they faced annual famines.
There was intense evolutionary pressure to fine tune metabolism to
survive that annual famine. Like bears, humans would eat fruits and
berries when available and fatten for the winter. The ones who
fattened for the winter survived the wintern. The ones who stayed lean
during the fruit season died of starvation in the winter. This pushed
for an increase fattening effect from fructose. The amount of fat
stored when exposed to excess fructose is much larger than the calorie
arithmetic above would lead to.

> Diabetics should limit both, but
> should also limit starches because the body quickly breaks starches
> down into 100% glucose. That's why baked potatoes have such an
> outrageously high glycemic index. The reason that fructose "left in
> the fruit and eaten as is," is less problematic is because of fiber
> and the fact that people generally eat less whole fruits than if the
> fruits are juiced and they can drink them down as a beverage. HFCS
> has been demonized, when really it's metabolically very similar to
> "pure cane sugar,"

Starchy foods are bad when eaten in excess as well. It's the reason
only a fraction of the population does well on low fat plans.

> just less expensive.

So more is used. Exactly. The majority of the problem is too nuch
sugar in addtion to too much starch. The difference among types of
sugar is real but a much smaller effect.

Switch to sodas with real sugar for the better taste. Switch to diet
sodas understanding that experience shows they do little to help dieters
but they are better than any type of sugared sodas.

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> > I don't believe your garbage collection company said any such thing.
> > Produce doesn't cause pollution whether you flush it down the drain or
> > toss it out in your yard. Do you also have to poop in a biobag?
>
> Tossing it out in the yard is an allowable option as well. I just choose
> not to compost here because it's stinky and I have no use for the compost.
> But compost we must. I just let Waste Management do it for me.

interesting that Waste Management (Inc?) has control of your sewer. I've never
heard of that nor have I heard of any sewer district not allowing garbage
disposals...which to counter your claim about costs are both cheap and easily
paid off by the savings from your bio-bags

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:22:34 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:40:35 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:25:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:06:20 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well they only stay frozen for so long. I would never use three
>>>>>>> loaves in a
>>>>>>> year. Last year I bought rolls and had to throw them out. They
>>>>>>> went bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said a loaf wouldn't last you a week. That's 52+ loaves a year.
>>>>>> How hard would it be to use up 3 frozen loaves in that time?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because it spoils. I bought a loaf of bread last week and
>>>>> ate only 2 slices from it. I don't eat a lot of bread.
>>>>
>>>> You seem top waste a lot of money on unreasonable principles.
>>>> Especially if I wasn't employed.
>>>>
>>>> If I bought a loaf of bread and only ate 2 slices a week, I'd put it
>>>> in the fridge or freeze it rather than paying $1.29-$2.50 for 2 pieces
>>>> of bread. No, I don't like to refridgerate bread either, but it's
>>>> better than paying $1/slice.
>>>
>>> You might. But I don't like the texture of bread once it has been frozen
>>> or
>>> refrigerated. Oh and I have to pay more than that for a loaf of bread.
>>> Apparently bread is cheap where you live?
>>
>> I pay $.88 for cheap white bread, HEB store brand - they make it
>> themselves and bag it up just like Wonder or Mrs Bairds. But even at
>> $.88, I'd still be freezing it.
>>
>> I guess paying $1.50 for a slice of bread doesn't bother you when you
>> get free money.
>
>The cheapest bread I've seen here is over a dollar a loaf but it contains
>soy flour and HFCS. I don't normally eat those things. I don't think
>Wonder is sold here. Not any more. I usually buy Bimbo. It's one of the
>cheaper ones.

Go know Bimbo has so many permutations:
http://bimbobakeriesusa.com/about_us/our_history.html

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:22:34 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:40:35 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:25:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:06:20 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well they only stay frozen for so long. I would never use three
>>>>>>>> loaves in a
>>>>>>>> year. Last year I bought rolls and had to throw them out. They
>>>>>>>> went bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said a loaf wouldn't last you a week. That's 52+ loaves a year.
>>>>>>> How hard would it be to use up 3 frozen loaves in that time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's because it spoils. I bought a loaf of bread last week and
>>>>>> ate only 2 slices from it. I don't eat a lot of bread.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem top waste a lot of money on unreasonable principles.
>>>>> Especially if I wasn't employed.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I bought a loaf of bread and only ate 2 slices a week, I'd put it
>>>>> in the fridge or freeze it rather than paying $1.29-$2.50 for 2 pieces
>>>>> of bread. No, I don't like to refridgerate bread either, but it's
>>>>> better than paying $1/slice.
>>>>
>>>> You might. But I don't like the texture of bread once it has been
>>>> frozen
>>>> or
>>>> refrigerated. Oh and I have to pay more than that for a loaf of bread.
>>>> Apparently bread is cheap where you live?
>>>
>>> I pay $.88 for cheap white bread, HEB store brand - they make it
>>> themselves and bag it up just like Wonder or Mrs Bairds. But even at
>>> $.88, I'd still be freezing it.
>>>
>>> I guess paying $1.50 for a slice of bread doesn't bother you when you
>>> get free money.
>>
>>The cheapest bread I've seen here is over a dollar a loaf but it contains
>>soy flour and HFCS. I don't normally eat those things. I don't think
>>Wonder is sold here. Not any more. I usually buy Bimbo. It's one of the
>>cheaper ones.
>
> Go know Bimbo has so many permutations:
> http://bimbobakeriesusa.com/about_us/our_history.html

Yes. They own a variety of brands. But it is one of the few dairy free
breads I can get that isn't possibly cross contaminated by eggs or nuts.
Which is why I buy it.

sf wrote:

> My husband wants to "surprise" his doctor (hopefully) with better
> blood glucose numbers in a few weeks. I feel frustrated because
> keeps his fats to around 20 grams a day and tries to eat as little
> animal fat as possible, period. Needs to get his blood sugar down,
> which for him is cutting carbs because he's good about sweets and he
> needs to raise his good cholesterol, but he doesn't need to lose
> weight.

The single most effective way to raise "good" cholesterol is exercise.

Bob

sf wrote:

> My husband wants to "surprise" his doctor (hopefully) with better
> blood glucose numbers in a few weeks.

If the doctor is ordering an A1C test, there is nothing that can
be done in that short of a time frame.



Steve

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:47:48 -0800, Bob Terwilliger
> wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> > My husband wants to "surprise" his doctor (hopefully) with better
> > blood glucose numbers in a few weeks. I feel frustrated because
> > keeps his fats to around 20 grams a day and tries to eat as little
> > animal fat as possible, period. Needs to get his blood sugar down,
> > which for him is cutting carbs because he's good about sweets and he
> > needs to raise his good cholesterol, but he doesn't need to lose
> > weight.
>
> The single most effective way to raise "good" cholesterol is exercise.
>
Which he does.

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On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:52:25 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> > My husband wants to "surprise" his doctor (hopefully) with better
> > blood glucose numbers in a few weeks.
>
> If the doctor is ordering an A1C test, there is nothing that can
> be done in that short of a time frame.
>
Well, some sites seem to think otherwise. Time will tell.

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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> Was it really a non-stick coating or that stuff they put on woks to
> keep them from rusting? Wash it well and scrape the crud off. You
> shouldn't have a non-stick coating on woks anyway, because it can't
> take the high heat necessary for real wok cooking.

I "think" it said non-stick. The black paint or whatever it was is still
all over the wok except for the bottom. It wasn't like cosmoline or a
heavy grease. It was like paint. What'd I expect for ten bucks?

leo

On Jan 30, 6:27*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:47:48 -0800, Bob Terwilliger
>
> > wrote:
> > sf wrote:
>
> > > My husband wants to "surprise" his doctor (hopefully) with better
> > > blood glucose numbers in a few weeks. *I feel frustrated because
> > > keeps his fats to around 20 grams a day and tries to eat as little
> > *> animal fat as possible, period. Needs to get his blood sugar down,
> > *> which for him is cutting carbs because he's good about sweets and he
> > *> needs to raise his good cholesterol, but he doesn't need to lose
> > *> weight.
>
> > The single most effective way to raise "good" cholesterol is exercise.
>
> Which he does.
>
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Rubbing his nipples while you slurp on his cock doesn't constitute
exercise. But you're a good sport for taking a shot down the throat.

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>
>> My husband wants to "surprise" his doctor (hopefully) with better
>> blood glucose numbers in a few weeks.
>
> If the doctor is ordering an A1C test, there is nothing that can
> be done in that short of a time frame.

OTOH if it is in a few weeks, it might be a Fructosamine test.

On 1/30/2012 4:47 PM, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> sf wrote:
>
>> My husband wants to "surprise" his doctor (hopefully) with better
>> blood glucose numbers in a few weeks. I feel frustrated because
>> keeps his fats to around 20 grams a day and tries to eat as little
> > animal fat as possible, period. Needs to get his blood sugar down,
> > which for him is cutting carbs because he's good about sweets and he
> > needs to raise his good cholesterol, but he doesn't need to lose
> > weight.
>
> The single most effective way to raise "good" cholesterol is exercise.
>
> Bob

Oh, that is so unfortunate for me. Exercise is the key to all of my
problems and I have issues with it due to lower back. I think the fall
I took has made things worse because now I wake up with severe leg pain
and I'm positive its caused by the nerves that were already compressed.
Like a charly horse on the side of my lower leg that won't let up even
when trying to walk it off.

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:52:41 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > Was it really a non-stick coating or that stuff they put on woks to
> > keep them from rusting? Wash it well and scrape the crud off. You
> > shouldn't have a non-stick coating on woks anyway, because it can't
> > take the high heat necessary for real wok cooking.
>
> I "think" it said non-stick. The black paint or whatever it was is still
> all over the wok except for the bottom. It wasn't like cosmoline or a
> heavy grease. It was like paint. What'd I expect for ten bucks?
>

You get what you pay for, but it sounds like you got less.


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On Jan 30, 3:47*pm, Bob Terwilliger >
wrote:
> sf wrote:
> > My husband wants to "surprise" his doctor (hopefully) with better
> > blood glucose numbers in a few weeks. *I feel frustrated because
> > keeps his fats to around 20 grams a day and tries to eat as little
>
> *> animal fat as possible, period. Needs to get his blood sugar down,
> *> which for him is cutting carbs because he's good about sweets and he
> *> needs to raise his good cholesterol, but he doesn't need to lose
> *> weight.
>
> The single most effective way to raise "good" cholesterol is exercise.

And lots of olive oil/avocados/pecans/hazelnuts/etc.
>
> Bob

--Bryan

On Jan 31, 6:54*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 3:47*pm, Bob Terwilliger >
....
> > The single most effective way to raise "good" cholesterol is exercise.
>
> And lots of olive oil/avocados/pecans/hazelnuts/etc.

Bryan is allergic to exercise. He'd rather speciously manage his
cholesterol with things he can spend a lot of $$ on and put in his
mouth.

PS: Bryan, when are you gonna order from that oils company? I'd like
to get in on a gallon of EVOO.

John Kuthe...

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:54:15 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote:

> On Jan 30, 3:47*pm, Bob Terwilliger >
> wrote:
> > sf wrote:
> > > My husband wants to "surprise" his doctor (hopefully) with better
> > > blood glucose numbers in a few weeks. *I feel frustrated because
> > > he keeps his fats to around 20 grams a day and tries to eat as little
> > *> animal fat as possible, period. Needs to get his blood sugar down,
> > *> which for him is cutting carbs because he's good about sweets and he
> > *> needs to raise his good cholesterol, but he doesn't need to lose
> > *> weight.
> >
> > The single most effective way to raise "good" cholesterol is exercise.
>
> And lots of olive oil/avocados/pecans/hazelnuts/etc.
> >
I cook almost exclusively with extra virgin olive oil now (switched
over from canola years ago), he eats avocado almost daily - nuts too.

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On Jan 31, 9:00*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 6:54*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 3:47*pm, Bob Terwilliger >
> ...
> > > The single most effective way to raise "good" cholesterol is exercise..
>
> > And lots of olive oil/avocados/pecans/hazelnuts/etc.
>
> Bryan is allergic to exercise. He'd rather speciously manage his
> cholesterol with things he can spend a lot of $$ on and put in his
> mouth.
>
> PS: Bryan, when are you gonna order from that oils company? I'd like
> to get in on a gallon of EVOO.
>
> John Kuthe...

Speaking of slurping ock.

On Jan 31, 9:00*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 6:54*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 3:47*pm, Bob Terwilliger >
> ...
> > > The single most effective way to raise "good" cholesterol is exercise..
>
> > And lots of olive oil/avocados/pecans/hazelnuts/etc.
>
> Bryan is allergic to exercise. He'd rather speciously manage his
> cholesterol with things he can spend a lot of $$ on and put in his
> mouth.
>
> PS: Bryan, when are you gonna order from that oils company? I'd like
> to get in on a gallon of EVOO.
>
> John Kuthe...

Should have read "speaking of slurping cock".

On Jan 31, 8:00*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 6:54*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 3:47*pm, Bob Terwilliger >
> ...
> > > The single most effective way to raise "good" cholesterol is exercise..
>
> > And lots of olive oil/avocados/pecans/hazelnuts/etc.
>
> Bryan is allergic to exercise. He'd rather speciously manage his
> cholesterol with things he can spend a lot of $$ on and put in his
> mouth.

I have a physical job. Today, after work, I went to the skatepark and
skated for over an hour, not because I was taking my son anyway, but
by myself. Last week was the first week in a long time that I didn't
go to the gym and do upper body supersets until it hurt. I get plenty
of exercise. I also don't "spend a lot of $$ on" supplements. In
fact, the only supplements I use that are non-nutritive are milk
thistle and a store brand multivitamin. Fish oil is more a food than
a supplement, and so is MCT oil. Pecan oil is certainly a food, as is
coconut oil.
>
> PS: Bryan, when are you gonna order from that oils company? I'd like
> to get in on a gallon of EVOO.

I just talked to Krishna, and I think he might want in, but I'm
otherwise ready anytime. The main thing I'm ordering is lauric acid,
free lauric acid. Not free as in doesn't cost money, but free as in
not attached to a glycerol. That's also nutritive, so more a food
than a supplement.
If you're really interested in doing carb restriction, you should get
together with Kris and me to talk over a couple of very low carb
beverages. We're both outrageously hedonistic, and consequently have
both struggled with overeating for years. You learn stuff. I know
you think I'm at least somewhat full of shit, and maybe I am a tiny
bit, but not much. Perhaps the 3 of us could get together at my house
soon and place an order.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Jan 31, 6:49*pm, Bryan > wrote:
....
>*I know
> you think I'm at least somewhat full of shit, and maybe I am a tiny
> bit, but not much.

I just think that you are bombastically obsessed with all this stuff,
Bryan.


> Perhaps the 3 of us could get together at my house
> soon and place an order.

Let me know when, I'm ready willing and able! I'm about 3/5 down on
the 1/2 gallon of EVOO that I'm using right now, and would love to get
a gallon if you guys are ordering some stuff.

John Kuthe...

On Jan 31, 7:08*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 6:49*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> ...
>
> >*I know
> > you think I'm at least somewhat full of shit, and maybe I am a tiny
> > bit, but not much.
>
> I just think that you are bombastically obsessed with all this stuff,
> Bryan.
>
I find it interesting, and much of the stuff that folks believe about
lipids is so dumbed down that it is factually false. The belief that
saturated fats are bad is false. Only two of the saturated fatty
acids are unhealthy. The belief that polyunsaturates are all good is
false. The nutrition information on product labels groups all
saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated fats into their
respective categories, with no regard to the research that shows that
such groupings are asinine. Even the category of trans fats gives
deceptive information. Some *trans*- fatty acids are healthful.
Instead of listing "Trans Fat," the label should list elaidic acid,
since that is the only *trans*-fatty acid that is problematic. My
detailed information is not "bombastic." If you think that I am
showing off, you're just full of shit yourself. It's aggravating that
you challenge that information as me just trying to look like I'm
really smart on RFC.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm not trying to get everyone here to
like me, or even *anyone* here to like me. I post what I believe to
be true, and if I happen to be incorrect, I sincerely hope that
someone causes me to be no longer incorrect. Instead of focusing on
what you see as a personality flaw (being "bombastically obsessed"),
perhaps you could show that I was factually incorrect. I know that
some folks here do consider me to have personality issues, but I
presume that far more of them see you that way.

> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Jan 31, 8:01*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 7:08*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:> On Jan 31, 6:49*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> > ...
>
> > >*I know
> > > you think I'm at least somewhat full of shit, and maybe I am a tiny
> > > bit, but not much.
>
> > I just think that you are bombastically obsessed with all this stuff,
> > Bryan.
>
> I find it interesting, and much of the stuff that folks believe about
> lipids is so dumbed down that it is factually false. *The belief that
> saturated fats are bad is false. *Only two of the saturated fatty
> acids are unhealthy. *The belief that polyunsaturates are all good is
> false. *The nutrition information on product labels groups all
> saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated fats into their
> respective categories, with no regard to the research that shows that
> such groupings are asinine. * Even the category of trans fats gives
> deceptive information. *Some *trans*- fatty acids are healthful.
> Instead of listing "Trans Fat," the label should list elaidic acid,
> since that is the only *trans*-fatty acid that is problematic. *My
> detailed information is not "bombastic." *If you think that I am
> showing off, you're just full of shit yourself. *It's aggravating that
> you challenge that information as me just trying to look like I'm
> really smart on RFC.
> In case you haven't noticed, I'm not trying to get everyone here to
> like me, or even *anyone* here to like me. *I post what I believe to
> be true, and if I happen to be incorrect, I sincerely hope that
> someone causes me to be no longer incorrect. *Instead of focusing on
> what you see as a personality flaw (being "bombastically obsessed"),
> perhaps you could show that I was factually incorrect. *I know that
> some folks here do consider me to have personality issues, but I
> presume that far more of them see you that way.
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> --Bryan

I just want you to let me know when you're gonna put an order together
for oils.

John Kuthe...

On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:22:27 -0500, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:15:10 -0700, Pennyaline
> wrote:
>
>>On 1/26/2012 12:07 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:22:55 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In >,
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/24/2012 10:14 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>> In >,
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/24/2012 5:22 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of course if I thought I was going to be snowed in and also the
>>>>>>>> possibility
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> power outages, the first thing I would buy would be refrigerated cans of
>>>>>>>> biscuit dough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If she has a gas stove, that wouldn't be a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> given her mental status do you think she could actually use one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course. At this moment, it's your mental status that concerns me.
>>>>
>>>> Why? I'm perfectly cognizant of the idiocy of choosing canned refrigerated
>>>> biscuit dough as a reasonable food product in a house full of women with various
>>>> food/illness related problems thinking that they could be used in the event of a
>>>> power outage.
>>>
>>> A gas stove oven won't operate during a power outage, IDIOT!
>>
>>Older gas stove ovens will.
>
>The last time anyone wanted to use your old decrepit oven was like
>thirty years ago, and you haven't cleaned it since.


That would be about the same time you're erectile disfuntction
surfaced

On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:24:19 -0500, Bob > wrote:

>That would be about the same time you're erectile disfuntction
>surfaced

WOW...... The old E.D. symptoms.
There are several people suffering with that on this newsgroup. so they
eat instead and are in the 600 to 700 pound range by now.

Fatty Ass wiper

As the atmosphere becomes better, the moist oozing spots will spread across the fridge door and on the floor.