Okay so... The German guy posting about the shops being closed has got me
to thinking. I honestly can't imagine *all* shops to be closed on Sunday
but then I live in the US where we have little 24 hour places all over. And
some of the supermarkets are even open 24 hours.

But when we first moved to WA, meat could not be sold on Sunday. In the
supermarkets, the meat had to be covered with white cloth. I am not sure
about things like bologna. Perhaps it was just raw meat? Does anyone
remember? I also think liquor could not be sold on Sundays. That has been
done away with now at least for beer and wine. Not sure what is going to
happen with our hard liquor now. The bill has passed to be able to sell it
anywhere as of a certain date. Not sure when that is.

So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?

Julie Bove wrote:
> Okay so... The German guy posting about the shops being closed has
> got me to thinking. I honestly can't imagine *all* shops to be
> closed on Sunday but then I live in the US where we have little 24
> hour places all over. And some of the supermarkets are even open 24
> hours.
> But when we first moved to WA, meat could not be sold on Sunday. In
> the supermarkets, the meat had to be covered with white cloth. I am
> not sure about things like bologna. Perhaps it was just raw meat? Does
> anyone remember? I also think liquor could not be sold on
> Sundays. That has been done away with now at least for beer and
> wine. Not sure what is going to happen with our hard liquor now. The bill
> has passed to be able to sell it anywhere as of a certain
> date. Not sure when that is.
> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?

Also, liquor can't be sold after 2:00 a.m. here but I don't know at what
hour in the morning it is legal to sell it again.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:23:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Also, liquor can't be sold after 2:00 a.m. here but I don't know at what
>>> hour in the morning it is legal to sell it again.
>>
>> They have to stop selling at 2AM here too... and they can open at 6AM.
>> Not sure why they have to be "dry" 4 hours, seems silly to me.
>
> Yeah. It does seem silly.

Well consider Sarah Palin as mayor of Wasilla changed the liquor laws to
allow booze to be sold up till 5:00am. And DUIs skyrocketed and the number
of alcohol related vehicle accidents did too as people commuting to work
were endangered by drunk drivers.

Some laws just make sense no matter how silly they seem on the outside.

Paul

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:10:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
>
> Since you mentioned alcohol: No beer above 5%. All bars must serve
> hard alcohol from airline bottles. The public may not purchase airline
> bottles at retail stores.
>
> South Carolina.
>

Well we know it ain't Texas. "Can I get you a .45 auto with your vodka
stinger and beer chaser? We've got a special on hollow point teflon
jacketed bullets tonight."

Paul

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:10:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
>>
>> Since you mentioned alcohol: No beer above 5%. All bars must serve
>> hard alcohol from airline bottles. The public may not purchase airline
>> bottles at retail stores.
>>
>> South Carolina.
>
> Interesting! Thanks! I had forgotten about the beer thing. Ours must be
> under a certain percent too. We once went to a bar in Baltimore and I got
> a beer. I am not sure why because I am not really a beer drinker. My
> husband commented that I needed to take it easy because the beer was a
> stronger percentage than I was used to. And I can attest to that. Never
> again.

Beer is regulated at the federal level. Any beer over 5% alcohol is
labelled and taxed as liquor. What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet it
does not have the same restriction. That's more an example of lobbying than
anything else.

> I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. I did look for them
> when I used to make fruitcake. Didn't see them at the liquor store. But
> I could get them at the military store in MA.

Just get a regular bottle. It keeps forever. Use it year after year. I
happen to really like fruitcake soaked in rum. Yum.

Paul

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:23:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Also, liquor can't be sold after 2:00 a.m. here but I don't know at what
> hour in the morning it is legal to sell it again.

They have to stop selling at 2AM here too... and they can open at 6AM.
Not sure why they have to be "dry" 4 hours, seems silly to me.

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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:10:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
>
> Since you mentioned alcohol: No beer above 5%. All bars must serve
> hard alcohol from airline bottles. The public may not purchase airline
> bottles at retail stores.
>
> South Carolina.

Interesting! Thanks! I had forgotten about the beer thing. Ours must be
under a certain percent too. We once went to a bar in Baltimore and I got a
beer. I am not sure why because I am not really a beer drinker. My husband
commented that I needed to take it easy because the beer was a stronger
percentage than I was used to. And I can attest to that. Never again.

I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. I did look for them when
I used to make fruitcake. Didn't see them at the liquor store. But I could
get them at the military store in MA.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:23:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Also, liquor can't be sold after 2:00 a.m. here but I don't know at what
>> hour in the morning it is legal to sell it again.
>
> They have to stop selling at 2AM here too... and they can open at 6AM.
> Not sure why they have to be "dry" 4 hours, seems silly to me.

Yeah. It does seem silly.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:23:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, liquor can't be sold after 2:00 a.m. here but I don't know at
>>>> what
>>>> hour in the morning it is legal to sell it again.
>>>
>>> They have to stop selling at 2AM here too... and they can open at 6AM.
>>> Not sure why they have to be "dry" 4 hours, seems silly to me.
>>
>> Yeah. It does seem silly.
>
> Well consider Sarah Palin as mayor of Wasilla changed the liquor laws to
> allow booze to be sold up till 5:00am. And DUIs skyrocketed and the
> number of alcohol related vehicle accidents did too as people commuting to
> work were endangered by drunk drivers.
>
> Some laws just make sense no matter how silly they seem on the outside.

Ohhhhhhhhhh! I hadn't thought of that. However the silly thing is, if you
already own it, you can drink it.

On Jan 22, 9:53*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> Beer is regulated at the federal level.

Yes, and at the state level.

> Any beer over 5% alcohol is
> labelled and taxed as liquor.

No. Some states require beers over X% of alcohol to be labeled "malt
liquor." Other states give a pass to strong beers labeled "ale, stout,
porter," etc. The feds (formerly ATF, now TTB) don't care. (The feds
come into play by requiring beers labeled ale, etc. to to be fermented
at higher temperatures than lagers.)

> What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet it
> does not have the same restriction. *That's more an example of lobbying than
> anything else.

It's more of an act of God than anything else. If you ferment fully
ripe grapes, the resulting beverage will be 11 to 17% alcohol
(assuming the yeast don't die first). Beer is traditionally 5% alcohol
by volume, although light beers contain less alcohol. The famous "3.2"
that was the first legal beer after Prohibition, was 3.2% by weight,
or 4% by volume.

(The Volstead Act made an exception for low alcohol beverages, because
even fruit juices can contain 0.5% alcohol. Therefore they set the
limit of allowable alcohol at 0.5%. This limit was boosted to 3.2%
once the 21st Amendment started to show traction.)

>
> > I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. *I did look for them
> > when I used to make fruitcake. *Didn't see them at the liquor store. *But
> > I could get them at the military store in MA.
>
> Just get a regular bottle. *It keeps forever. *Use it year after year.. *I
> happen to really like fruitcake soaked in rum. *Yum.
>

Not the bottles of booze I have had. Bottles that I had opened years
ago seemed to have lost both flavor and alcohol. I'd get a half-pint.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:10:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
>>>
>>> Since you mentioned alcohol: No beer above 5%. All bars must serve
>>> hard alcohol from airline bottles. The public may not purchase airline
>>> bottles at retail stores.
>>>
>>> South Carolina.
>>
>> Interesting! Thanks! I had forgotten about the beer thing. Ours must
>> be under a certain percent too. We once went to a bar in Baltimore and I
>> got a beer. I am not sure why because I am not really a beer drinker.
>> My husband commented that I needed to take it easy because the beer was a
>> stronger percentage than I was used to. And I can attest to that. Never
>> again.
>
> Beer is regulated at the federal level. Any beer over 5% alcohol is
> labelled and taxed as liquor. What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet
> it does not have the same restriction. That's more an example of lobbying
> than anything else.
>
>> I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. I did look for them
>> when I used to make fruitcake. Didn't see them at the liquor store. But
>> I could get them at the military store in MA.
>
> Just get a regular bottle. It keeps forever. Use it year after year. I
> happen to really like fruitcake soaked in rum. Yum.

That's what I wound up doing. I didn't want to have to store it because my
kitchen at the time had no cupboards. It was a weird apartment.

spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On Jan 22, 9:53 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>> Beer is regulated at the federal level.
>
> Yes, and at the state level.
>
>> Any beer over 5% alcohol is
>> labelled and taxed as liquor.
>
> No. Some states require beers over X% of alcohol to be labeled "malt
> liquor." Other states give a pass to strong beers labeled "ale, stout,
> porter," etc. The feds (formerly ATF, now TTB) don't care. (The feds
> come into play by requiring beers labeled ale, etc. to to be fermented
> at higher temperatures than lagers.)
>
>> What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet it
>> does not have the same restriction. That's more an example of
>> lobbying than anything else.
>
> It's more of an act of God than anything else. If you ferment fully
> ripe grapes, the resulting beverage will be 11 to 17% alcohol
> (assuming the yeast don't die first). Beer is traditionally 5% alcohol
> by volume, although light beers contain less alcohol. The famous "3.2"
> that was the first legal beer after Prohibition, was 3.2% by weight,
> or 4% by volume.
>
> (The Volstead Act made an exception for low alcohol beverages, because
> even fruit juices can contain 0.5% alcohol. Therefore they set the
> limit of allowable alcohol at 0.5%. This limit was boosted to 3.2%
> once the 21st Amendment started to show traction.)
>
>>
>>> I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. I did look for
>>> them when I used to make fruitcake. Didn't see them at the liquor
>>> store. But I could get them at the military store in MA.
>>
>> Just get a regular bottle. It keeps forever. Use it year after year.
>> I happen to really like fruitcake soaked in rum. Yum.
>>
>
> Not the bottles of booze I have had. Bottles that I had opened years
> ago seemed to have lost both flavor and alcohol. I'd get a half-pint.
>
Hmmm... Interesting!

On Jan 22, 9:10*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> Okay so... *The German guy posting about the shops being closed has got me
> to thinking. *I honestly can't imagine *all* shops to be closed on Sunday
> but then I live in the US where we have little 24 hour places all over. *And
> some of the supermarkets are even open 24 hours.

Canada was worse. Camping in Ontario years ago, we tried to buy
provisions only to find that the supermarkets had closed for the
weekend. Stores at that time could not be open on Sundays, but there
was an exception for convenience stores that sold milk, to prevent
children's suffering.

IIRC, there is an exception to the German law in that groceries in
train stations are allowed to operate on Sundays, because travellers
are away from home and must have access to food. (This sounds insane
reading it now, yet I believe it is true.)

>
> But when we first moved to WA, meat could not be sold on Sunday. *In the
> supermarkets, the meat had to be covered with white cloth. *I am not sure
> about things like bologna. *Perhaps it was just raw meat? *Does anyone
> remember?

The meatcutters union had a provision in their contract that fresh
meat could not be sold unless they were there to supervise. I guess
they were hoping for either more jobs or some overtime. The meat cases
were covered before they went home to prevent temptation.

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 22, 9:53 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:

> Beer is regulated at the federal level.

Yes, and at the state level.

> Any beer over 5% alcohol is
> labelled and taxed as liquor.

No. Some states require beers over X% of alcohol to be labeled "malt
liquor." Other states give a pass to strong beers labeled "ale, stout,
porter," etc. The feds (formerly ATF, now TTB) don't care. (The feds
come into play by requiring beers labeled ale, etc. to to be fermented
at higher temperatures than lagers.)

---------

Being a beer brewer I disagree. Ales, stouts and porters brew at warmer
temperatures because they use different yeasts. Lager yeasts ferments on
the bottom of the tank at temperatures in the 30s where ale yeasts are top
fermenting at around 62-68F. They produce much different products. Ales,
stouts and porters are entirely different especially in the yeast they use.
It's not a government creation. You can extract as much alcohol from a
lager or a pilsener than you can an ale. It all depends on the yeast's
alcohol tolerance and the amount of fermentables. I have brewed lagers in
the 8% range.

--------

> What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet it
> does not have the same restriction. That's more an example of lobbying
> than
> anything else.

It's more of an act of God than anything else. If you ferment fully
ripe grapes, the resulting beverage will be 11 to 17% alcohol
(assuming the yeast don't die first). Beer is traditionally 5% alcohol
by volume, although light beers contain less alcohol. The famous "3.2"
that was the first legal beer after Prohibition, was 3.2% by weight,
or 4% by volume.

--------

I was referring to the exclusion of wine and its ratio of taxation compared
to brewed beverages. Wine is not taxed like beer is on its alcohol volume.
Wine is taxed at a flat rate even if it is fortified wine. It's not fair
and beer drinkers have complained for ages about it.

---------

(The Volstead Act made an exception for low alcohol beverages, because
even fruit juices can contain 0.5% alcohol. Therefore they set the
limit of allowable alcohol at 0.5%. This limit was boosted to 3.2%
once the 21st Amendment started to show traction.)

>
> > I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. I did look for them
> > when I used to make fruitcake. Didn't see them at the liquor store. But
> > I could get them at the military store in MA.
>
> Just get a regular bottle. It keeps forever. Use it year after year. I
> happen to really like fruitcake soaked in rum. Yum.
>

Not the bottles of booze I have had. Bottles that I had opened years
ago seemed to have lost both flavor and alcohol. I'd get a half-pint.

--------------

You're doing something wrong. Kept right it never spoils. It never really
changes much unless you are talking maybe 3 or 4 decades. I've tasted
opened bottles of Scotch from the 80s that tasted like they were just
opened. They never age or improve though like wine does.

Paul

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>> On Jan 22, 9:53 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>
>>> Beer is regulated at the federal level.
>>
>> Yes, and at the state level.
>>
>>> Any beer over 5% alcohol is
>>> labelled and taxed as liquor.
>>
>> No. Some states require beers over X% of alcohol to be labeled "malt
>> liquor." Other states give a pass to strong beers labeled "ale, stout,
>> porter," etc. The feds (formerly ATF, now TTB) don't care. (The feds
>> come into play by requiring beers labeled ale, etc. to to be fermented
>> at higher temperatures than lagers.)
>>
>>> What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet it
>>> does not have the same restriction. That's more an example of
>>> lobbying than anything else.
>>
>> It's more of an act of God than anything else. If you ferment fully
>> ripe grapes, the resulting beverage will be 11 to 17% alcohol
>> (assuming the yeast don't die first). Beer is traditionally 5% alcohol
>> by volume, although light beers contain less alcohol. The famous "3.2"
>> that was the first legal beer after Prohibition, was 3.2% by weight,
>> or 4% by volume.
>>
>> (The Volstead Act made an exception for low alcohol beverages, because
>> even fruit juices can contain 0.5% alcohol. Therefore they set the
>> limit of allowable alcohol at 0.5%. This limit was boosted to 3.2%
>> once the 21st Amendment started to show traction.)
>>
>>>
>>>> I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. I did look for
>>>> them when I used to make fruitcake. Didn't see them at the liquor
>>>> store. But I could get them at the military store in MA.
>>>
>>> Just get a regular bottle. It keeps forever. Use it year after year.
>>> I happen to really like fruitcake soaked in rum. Yum.
>>>
>>
>> Not the bottles of booze I have had. Bottles that I had opened years
>> ago seemed to have lost both flavor and alcohol. I'd get a half-pint.
>>
> Hmmm... Interesting!


Not really. mostly all wrong.

Paul

spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On Jan 22, 9:10 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> Okay so... The German guy posting about the shops being closed has
>> got me to thinking. I honestly can't imagine *all* shops to be
>> closed on Sunday but then I live in the US where we have little 24
>> hour places all over. And some of the supermarkets are even open 24
>> hours.
>
> Canada was worse. Camping in Ontario years ago, we tried to buy
> provisions only to find that the supermarkets had closed for the
> weekend. Stores at that time could not be open on Sundays, but there
> was an exception for convenience stores that sold milk, to prevent
> children's suffering.
>
I do remember our first trip to Canada. We arrived at a weird time and for
some reason there were no stores open. I can't remember now if it was a
Sunday or a holiday. And restaurants were not open for meals It was tea
time. So a restaurant took pity on us and said they could serve us some
French Fries.

Some years later my friend and I took his mom and aunt to the airport there
because it was cheaper to fly to Quebec there. His brother came with us.
We ordered drinks in a restaurant and we were told that we had to order food
but that we could just get the cheese and crackers because that's what
everyone did. Imagine my surprise when they brought out a few Saltines and
a small block of cream cheese! Not what I was expecting.

> IIRC, there is an exception to the German law in that groceries in
> train stations are allowed to operate on Sundays, because travellers
> are away from home and must have access to food. (This sounds insane
> reading it now, yet I believe it is true.)

Interesting! Would be nice to have someone else from Germany chime in here
so we'd know for sure.

>> But when we first moved to WA, meat could not be sold on Sunday. In
>> the supermarkets, the meat had to be covered with white cloth. I am
>> not sure about things like bologna. Perhaps it was just raw meat?
>> Does anyone remember?
>
> The meatcutters union had a provision in their contract that fresh
> meat could not be sold unless they were there to supervise. I guess
> they were hoping for either more jobs or some overtime. The meat cases
> were covered before they went home to prevent temptation.

I see. Thanks!

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> "spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Jan 23, 12:21 am, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 22, 9:53 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Beer is regulated at the federal level.
>>>
>>>>> Yes, and at the state level.
>>>
>>>>>> Any beer over 5% alcohol is
>>>>>> labelled and taxed as liquor.
>>>
>>>>> No. Some states require beers over X% of alcohol to be labeled
>>>>> "malt liquor." Other states give a pass to strong beers labeled
>>>>> "ale, stout, porter," etc. The feds (formerly ATF, now TTB) don't
>>>>> care. (The feds come into play by requiring beers labeled ale,
>>>>> etc. to to be fermented at higher temperatures than lagers.)
>>>
>>>>>> What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet it
>>>>>> does not have the same restriction. That's more an example of
>>>>>> lobbying than anything else.
>>>
>>>>> It's more of an act of God than anything else. If you ferment fully
>>>>> ripe grapes, the resulting beverage will be 11 to 17% alcohol
>>>>> (assuming the yeast don't die first). Beer is traditionally 5%
>>>>> alcohol by volume, although light beers contain less alcohol. The
>>>>> famous "3.2" that was the first legal beer after Prohibition, was
>>>>> 3.2% by weight, or 4% by volume.
>>>
>>>>> (The Volstead Act made an exception for low alcohol beverages,
>>>>> because even fruit juices can contain 0.5% alcohol. Therefore they
>>>>> set the limit of allowable alcohol at 0.5%. This limit was boosted
>>>>> to 3.2% once the 21st Amendment started to show traction.)
>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. I did look for
>>>>>>> them when I used to make fruitcake. Didn't see them at the liquor
>>>>>>> store. But I could get them at the military store in MA.
>>>
>>>>>> Just get a regular bottle. It keeps forever. Use it year after
>>>>>> year. I happen to really like fruitcake soaked in rum. Yum.
>>>
>>>>> Not the bottles of booze I have had. Bottles that I had opened
>>>>> years ago seemed to have lost both flavor and alcohol. I'd get a
>>>>> half-pint.
>>>
>>>> Hmmm... Interesting!
>>>
>>> Not really. mostly all wrong.
>>>
>>
>> Are you sure you're not Brokelyn posting under another name?
>>
>>
>> F&^*k yeah, a&^S^%(e! You can just &^(S my ^%#^ you *#&$^$R* and
>> while you're at it * #%#%#& my @&$%@$ and (*(*))!
>
> What? No mention of boobs?

OK, b#$*s.

Paul

On Jan 23, 12:48*am, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 23, 12:21 am, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> > On Jan 22, 9:53 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> > > Beer is regulated at the federal level.
>
> > Yes, and at the state level.
>
> > > Any beer over 5% alcohol is
> > > labelled and taxed as liquor.
>
> > No. Some states require beers over X% of alcohol to be labeled "malt
> > liquor." Other states give a pass to strong beers labeled "ale, stout,
> > porter," etc. The feds (formerly ATF, now TTB) don't care. (The feds
> > come into play by requiring beers labeled ale, etc. to to be fermented
> > at higher temperatures than lagers.)
>
> > ---------
>
> > Being a beer brewer I disagree. Ales, stouts and porters brew at warmer
> > temperatures because they use different yeasts. Lager yeasts ferments on
> > the bottom of the tank at temperatures in the 30s where ale yeasts are top
> > fermenting at around 62-68F. They produce much different products. Ales,
> > stouts and porters are entirely different especially in the yeast they
> > use.
> > It's not a government creation. You can extract as much alcohol from a
> > lager or a pilsener than you can an ale. It all depends on the yeast's
> > alcohol tolerance and the amount of fermentables. I have brewed lagers in
> > the 8% range.
>
> I'm outlining the law on labeling strong beers for you. The words used
> to indicate a strong beer are determined by individual states. But the
> federal law won't let you call a lager an ale. Capisce?
>
> -------
>
> An ale is an ale, a lager is a lager, a pilsener is a pilsener, a bock is a
> bock. *All that the state cares about is alcohol content. *You can call a
> lager an ale, sure, no problem. *There is a beer brewed by Anchor Brewing.
> It is a lager brewed at ale temperatures. *They call it a lager even though
> it technically is an ale in profile. *Fosters ale is really not ale, it is a
> dark lager.

The legal definition of terms like "ale" has little or nothing to do
with how ales are actually produced. Compare "malt liquor." There is
no one production process, yeast, etc. Yet it has a legal definition
in many states.

>
> -------
>
> And get a real newsreader that quotes properly.
>
> >^..^<
>
> No, you get a news agent that posts properly.*We've been through this
> before.

Microsoft Outlook Express is not a newsreader. Many newsreading
programs still exist. Forte Free Agent is one. Download one and use
it.

>Until then, sayonara sushi breath. *Read Charlie Papazian's books.
> That's an order.

Read state regulation of beer.

"spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 23, 12:48 am, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 23, 12:21 am, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "spamtrap1888" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > On Jan 22, 9:53 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> > > Beer is regulated at the federal level.
>
> > Yes, and at the state level.
>
> > > Any beer over 5% alcohol is
> > > labelled and taxed as liquor.
>
> > No. Some states require beers over X% of alcohol to be labeled "malt
> > liquor." Other states give a pass to strong beers labeled "ale, stout,
> > porter," etc. The feds (formerly ATF, now TTB) don't care. (The feds
> > come into play by requiring beers labeled ale, etc. to to be fermented
> > at higher temperatures than lagers.)
>
> > ---------
>
> > Being a beer brewer I disagree. Ales, stouts and porters brew at warmer
> > temperatures because they use different yeasts. Lager yeasts ferments on
> > the bottom of the tank at temperatures in the 30s where ale yeasts are
> > top
> > fermenting at around 62-68F. They produce much different products. Ales,
> > stouts and porters are entirely different especially in the yeast they
> > use.
> > It's not a government creation. You can extract as much alcohol from a
> > lager or a pilsener than you can an ale. It all depends on the yeast's
> > alcohol tolerance and the amount of fermentables. I have brewed lagers
> > in
> > the 8% range.
>
> I'm outlining the law on labeling strong beers for you. The words used
> to indicate a strong beer are determined by individual states. But the
> federal law won't let you call a lager an ale. Capisce?
>
> -------
>
> An ale is an ale, a lager is a lager, a pilsener is a pilsener, a bock is
> a
> bock. All that the state cares about is alcohol content. You can call a
> lager an ale, sure, no problem. There is a beer brewed by Anchor Brewing.
> It is a lager brewed at ale temperatures. They call it a lager even though
> it technically is an ale in profile. Fosters ale is really not ale, it is
> a
> dark lager.

The legal definition of terms like "ale" has little or nothing to do
with how ales are actually produced. Compare "malt liquor." There is
no one production process, yeast, etc. Yet it has a legal definition
in many states.

>
> -------
>
> And get a real newsreader that quotes properly.
>
> >^..^<
>
> No, you get a news agent that posts properly. We've been through this
> before.

Microsoft Outlook Express is not a newsreader. Many newsreading
programs still exist. Forte Free Agent is one. Download one and use
it.

>Until then, sayonara sushi breath. Read Charlie Papazian's books.
> That's an order.

Read state regulation of beer.

^!^!^^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^

If Forte was so great why don't you use it?

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 22, 9:53 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Beer is regulated at the federal level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and at the state level.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Any beer over 5% alcohol is
>>>>>> labelled and taxed as liquor.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. Some states require beers over X% of alcohol to be labeled "malt
>>>>> liquor." Other states give a pass to strong beers labeled "ale,
>>>>> stout, porter," etc. The feds (formerly ATF, now TTB) don't care.
>>>>> (The feds come into play by requiring beers labeled ale, etc. to to
>>>>> be fermented at higher temperatures than lagers.)
>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet it
>>>>>> does not have the same restriction. That's more an example of
>>>>>> lobbying than anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's more of an act of God than anything else. If you ferment fully
>>>>> ripe grapes, the resulting beverage will be 11 to 17% alcohol
>>>>> (assuming the yeast don't die first). Beer is traditionally 5%
>>>>> alcohol by volume, although light beers contain less alcohol. The
>>>>> famous "3.2" that was the first legal beer after Prohibition, was
>>>>> 3.2% by weight, or 4% by volume.
>>>>>
>>>>> (The Volstead Act made an exception for low alcohol beverages,
>>>>> because even fruit juices can contain 0.5% alcohol. Therefore they
>>>>> set the limit of allowable alcohol at 0.5%. This limit was boosted
>>>>> to 3.2% once the 21st Amendment started to show traction.)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. I did look for
>>>>>>> them when I used to make fruitcake. Didn't see them at the liquor
>>>>>>> store. But I could get them at the military store in MA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just get a regular bottle. It keeps forever. Use it year after
>>>>>> year. I happen to really like fruitcake soaked in rum. Yum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not the bottles of booze I have had. Bottles that I had opened years
>>>>> ago seemed to have lost both flavor and alcohol. I'd get a
>>>>> half-pint.
>>>> Hmmm... Interesting!
>>>
>>>
>>> Not really. mostly all wrong.
>>
>> Well, I am watching that celebrity cooking show on Food Network and Lou
>> Diamond Phillips said one must taste the bourbon to make sure it isn't
>> bad.
>
> It never turns bad. I have no idea what he is talking about. Wine will
> turn to vinegar but liquor is very stable. Anything that is exposed to
> oxygen will oxidize over time and that will degrade the taste of spirits
> but hard liquor will last decades if just kept sealed and in a reasonably
> moderate environment.
>
> Paul

Must have been his excuse to take a drink.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:14:05 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:10:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
>>>
>>> Since you mentioned alcohol: No beer above 5%. All bars must serve
>>> hard alcohol from airline bottles. The public may not purchase airline
>>> bottles at retail stores.
>>>
>>> South Carolina.
>>
>> Interesting! Thanks! I had forgotten about the beer thing. Ours must
>> be
>> under a certain percent too. We once went to a bar in Baltimore and I
>> got a
>> beer. I am not sure why because I am not really a beer drinker. My
>> husband
>> commented that I needed to take it easy because the beer was a stronger
>> percentage than I was used to. And I can attest to that. Never again.
>>
>> I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. I did look for them
>> when
>> I used to make fruitcake. Didn't see them at the liquor store. But I
>> could
>> get them at the military store in MA.
>
> In Texas you can't buy less than 2 airline bottles at a time. I just
> heard that law the other day (at a liquor store).

Strange.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:42:45 -0800, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:10:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
>>>
>>> Since you mentioned alcohol: No beer above 5%. All bars must serve
>>> hard alcohol from airline bottles. The public may not purchase airline
>>> bottles at retail stores.
>>>
>>> South Carolina.
>>>
>>
>> Well we know it ain't Texas. "Can I get you a .45 auto with your vodka
>> stinger and beer chaser? We've got a special on hollow point teflon
>> jacketed bullets tonight."
>
> Shows how much you know about Texas. Guns are not allowed anywhere
> where alcohol sales comprises 51% more of the revenue of the
> establishment. Which rules all bars and all liquor stores.

I thought you were required to be armed when buying liquor. Don't you have
to shoot somebody to get into a bar? Don't bartenders give you change in
ammo?

> So now you're following me around humping my leg because of that other
> thread where you got facialed.

You live in Texas and only you'd know what that means.

Paul

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:53:42 -0800, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Beer is regulated at the federal level. Any beer over 5% alcohol is
>> labelled and taxed as liquor. What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet
>> it
>> does not have the same restriction. That's more an example of lobbying
>> than
>> anything else.
>
> You been taking lessons from Sheldon? Because that all bullshit.
>
> http://www.ttb.gov/about/mission.shtml
>

That all bullshit? No that not all bullshit. That be the facts. All 'dem.

> Then each state has it's own different taxes tacked on.
>
> http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/245.html

Yeah, tacked on to federal taxes. Yo point be what am be?

Paul

sf wrote:

>> Also, liquor can't be sold after 2:00 a.m. here but I don't know at
>> what hour in the morning it is legal to sell it again.

> They have to stop selling at 2AM here too... and they can open at 6AM.
> Not sure why they have to be "dry" 4 hours, seems silly to me.

About 15 yearso ago in Italy there used to be a very similar law forbidding
the sale of alcoholic drinks between 1:00AM and 6:00AM in the highways's
stations (autogrill comes to mind). I don't know if it is still valid, it's
years I don't travel on a highway by nigth.

On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:53:30 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>>
>> Well, I am watching that celebrity cooking show on Food Network and Lou
>> Diamond Phillips said one must taste the bourbon to make sure it isn't
>> bad.
>
>It never turns bad. I have no idea what he is talking about.


Whoooshhhhh!

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:08:41 -0800, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:53:42 -0800, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>>
>>>> Beer is regulated at the federal level. Any beer over 5% alcohol is
>>>> labelled and taxed as liquor. What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an
>>>> yet
>>>> it
>>>> does not have the same restriction. That's more an example of lobbying
>>>> than
>>>> anything else.
>>>
>>> You been taking lessons from Sheldon? Because that all bullshit.
>>>
>>> http://www.ttb.gov/about/mission.shtml
>>>
>>
>> That all bullshit? No that not all bullshit. That be the facts. All
>> 'dem.
>>
>>> Then each state has it's own different taxes tacked on.
>>>
>>> http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/245.html
>>
>> Yeah, tacked on to federal taxes. Yo point be what am be?
>
> I take it you drink late at night/early morning? Because the points
> were very clearL: You are wrong. And I even included cites to
> federal and state tax rates to prove it.
>
ClearL? You mean ike EverClearL?

> And get a newsreader that quotes properly, dumbass.

OE quotes just fine. Google not am be so good.

Paul

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:14:29 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:23:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, liquor can't be sold after 2:00 a.m. here but I don't know at
>>>> what
>>>> hour in the morning it is legal to sell it again.
>>>
>>> They have to stop selling at 2AM here too... and they can open at 6AM.
>>> Not sure why they have to be "dry" 4 hours, seems silly to me.
>>
>> Yeah. It does seem silly.
>
> It's top keep people from binge drinking and getting stupid. Which
> usually involves getting thrown into jail. It's a Quality of Life
> Law.
>
> -sw

All this moralizing in the laws is silly. People who drink know the laws
and they'll stock up well before 2AM. And how is this law fair to people
who work nights? If you get off work at midnight, 2AM is your "evening".

Jill

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:10:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
>
> Since you mentioned alcohol: No beer above 5%. All bars must serve
> hard alcohol from airline bottles. The public may not purchase airline
> bottles at retail stores.
>
> South Carolina.
>
> -sw


I don't think that one is still on the books in South Carolina. If it is,
they don't enforce it. I've never seen airline size bottles used to pour
drinks in a bar. And while I haven't tried to purchase airline bottles
retail I'm pretty sure I could if I wanted to.

Jill

On Jan 23, 12:10*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> Okay so... *The German guy posting about the shops being closed has got me
> to thinking. *I honestly can't imagine *all* shops to be closed on Sunday
> but then I live in the US where we have little 24 hour places all over. *And
> some of the supermarkets are even open 24 hours.
>
> But when we first moved to WA, meat could not be sold on Sunday. *In the
> supermarkets, the meat had to be covered with white cloth. *I am not sure
> about things like bologna. *Perhaps it was just raw meat? *Does anyone
> remember? *I also think liquor could not be sold on Sundays. *That has been
> done away with now at least for beer and wine. *Not sure what is going to
> happen with our hard liquor now. *The bill has passed to be able to sell it
> anywhere as of a certain date. *Not sure when that is.
>
> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? *Or still are?

The province of Ontario used to sell liquor and wines in a weirding
way. Some provincially operated stores still sold liquor the same way
up into the '70's.
You went into a liquor store. Instead of choosing a bottle off the
shelf and paying for it and leaving, you went up to a counter. All of
the available wines and liquors were listed on a nice menu. You chose
what you wanted, put the code on a blue slip, and took it up to the
main counter. The clerk would take your slip, walk back to where the
liquor was, choose your bottle(s) and give it to you.

On Jan 23, 12:53*am, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> >news
> >> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:10:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >>> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? *Or still are?
>
> >> Since you mentioned alcohol: *No beer above 5%. *All bars must serve
> >> hard alcohol from airline bottles. The public may not purchase airline
> >> bottles at retail stores.
>
> >> South Carolina.
>
> > Interesting! *Thanks! *I had forgotten about the beer thing. *Ours must be
> > under a certain percent too. *We once went to a bar in Baltimore and I got
> > a beer. *I am not sure why because I am not really a beer drinker. *My
> > husband commented that I needed to take it easy because the beer was a
> > stronger percentage than I was used to. *And I can attest to that. *Never
> > again.
>
> Beer is regulated at the federal level. *Any beer over 5% alcohol is
> labelled and taxed as liquor. What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet it
> does not have the same restriction. *That's more an example of lobbying than
> anything else.

I don't know. I never heard of anyone drinking a six-pack of wine. :-)

> > I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. *I did look for them
> > when I used to make fruitcake. *Didn't see them at the liquor store. *But
> > I could get them at the military store in MA.
>
> Just get a regular bottle. *It keeps forever. *Use it year after year.. *I
> happen to really like fruitcake soaked in rum. *Yum.

I love anything soaked in rum. Well, not people.

Jerry
--
When ideas fail, words come in very handy.
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

>So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
>

I lived in Houston TX 1982 - 1987. When we first got there, the
following "blue laws" were in effect:

1. Depatment stores and other non-food retail stores had to close on
Sundays.

2. Food stores could not sell anything on Sunday that was sold in the
non-food stores (that included plastic spoons and forks, cooking
utensils, propane cansters, &tc). These isles or shelves were blocked
off or covered. I vaguely recall seeing meat coolers covered as
well.

3. It was legal to drink-and-drive, so long as the driver wasn't
drunk.

4. No alcohol sales until 2:00 pm Sunday

5. Liquor stores kept "set-ups" at the cash register. People could
walk in, buy a bottle, mix a drink at the register, and walk out to
their car and drive off.

6. Drive-through liquor stores were common.

On Jan 23, 3:46*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
> > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> spamtrap1888 wrote:
> >>> On Jan 22, 9:53 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> >>>> Beer is regulated at the federal level.
>
> >>> Yes, and at the state level.
>
> >>>> Any beer over 5% alcohol is
> >>>> labelled and taxed as liquor.
>
> >>> No. Some states require beers over X% of alcohol to be labeled "malt
> >>> liquor." Other states give a pass to strong beers labeled "ale,
> >>> stout, porter," etc. The feds (formerly ATF, now TTB) don't care.
> >>> (The feds come into play by requiring beers labeled ale, etc. to to
> >>> be fermented at higher temperatures than lagers.)
>
> >>>> What makes it odd is wine is 11-13% an yet it
> >>>> does not have the same restriction. That's more an example of
> >>>> lobbying than anything else.
>
> >>> It's more of an act of God than anything else. If you ferment fully
> >>> ripe grapes, the resulting beverage will be 11 to 17% alcohol
> >>> (assuming the yeast don't die first). Beer is traditionally 5%
> >>> alcohol by volume, although light beers contain less alcohol. The
> >>> famous "3.2" that was the first legal beer after Prohibition, was
> >>> 3.2% by weight, or 4% by volume.
>
> >>> (The Volstead Act made an exception for low alcohol beverages,
> >>> because even fruit juices can contain 0.5% alcohol. Therefore they
> >>> set the limit of allowable alcohol at 0.5%. This limit was boosted
> >>> to 3.2% once the 21st Amendment started to show traction.)
>
> >>>>> I don't think we can get the airline bottles here. I did look for
> >>>>> them when I used to make fruitcake. Didn't see them at the liquor
> >>>>> store. But I could get them at the military store in MA.
>
> >>>> Just get a regular bottle. It keeps forever. Use it year after
> >>>> year. I happen to really like fruitcake soaked in rum. Yum.
>
> >>> Not the bottles of booze I have had. Bottles that I had opened years
> >>> ago seemed to have lost both flavor and alcohol. I'd get a
> >>> half-pint.
> >> Hmmm... *Interesting!
>
> > Not really. *mostly all wrong.
>
> Well, I am watching that celebrity cooking show on Food Network and Lou
> Diamond Phillips said one must taste the bourbon to make sure it isn't bad.

Some Bourbon is bad before you open it. After my mother died, the
contents of her liquor closet moved to my house. None of us drink much
and I don't usually drink Bourbon at all. A visitor wanted some and I
found a half bottle of Jack Daniel at least 20 years old. It was fine.

Jerry
--
When ideas fail, words come in very handy.
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:41:22 -0800, Zz Yzx >
wrote:

>>So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
>>
>
>I lived in Houston TX 1982 - 1987. When we first got there, the
>following "blue laws" were in effect:
>
>1. Depatment stores and other non-food retail stores had to close on
>Sundays.
>
>2. Food stores could not sell anything on Sunday that was sold in the
>non-food stores (that included plastic spoons and forks, cooking
>utensils, propane cansters, &tc). These isles or shelves were blocked
>off or covered. I vaguely recall seeing meat coolers covered as
>well.
>
>3. It was legal to drink-and-drive, so long as the driver wasn't
>drunk.

That cracked me up when I was in Houston in the late 90's. The gas
stations had 24oz. cans on ice with the proper size bag right there. I
asked my friend WTF that was all about and he said "it's legal here
lets get a couple road pops." You don't see that around here. Open
liquor has never been legal in my lifetime here.


Lou

In article >,
"Julie Bove" > wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:23:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Also, liquor can't be sold after 2:00 a.m. here but I don't know at what
> >> hour in the morning it is legal to sell it again.
> >
> > They have to stop selling at 2AM here too... and they can open at 6AM.
> > Not sure why they have to be "dry" 4 hours, seems silly to me.
>
> Yeah. It does seem silly.

It's been some time since I've been to a bar. It's been a *long* time
since I've closed one. Still, I remember the announcements over the PA
system shortly before closing. Get your booze now, and avoid the lines!
And don't forget to get some "to go", because there won't be any stores
selling any on the way home, because they have to stop selling also.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Lou Decruss wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:41:22 -0800, Zz Yzx >
> wrote:
>
> >>So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
> >>
> >
> >I lived in Houston TX 1982 - 1987. When we first got there, the
> >following "blue laws" were in effect:
> >
> >1. Depatment stores and other non-food retail stores had to close on
> >Sundays.
> >
> >2. Food stores could not sell anything on Sunday that was sold in the
> >non-food stores (that included plastic spoons and forks, cooking
> >utensils, propane cansters, &tc). These isles or shelves were blocked
> >off or covered. I vaguely recall seeing meat coolers covered as
> >well.
> >
> >3. It was legal to drink-and-drive, so long as the driver wasn't
> >drunk.
>
> That cracked me up when I was in Houston in the late 90's. The gas
> stations had 24oz. cans on ice with the proper size bag right there. I
> asked my friend WTF that was all about and he said "it's legal here
> lets get a couple road pops." You don't see that around here. Open
> liquor has never been legal in my lifetime here.
>
> Lou

I'm reading a funny book right now, written in 1975 or so. They are
complaining about the high price of gas....$.55 cents per gallon. Also, and
this is in the US southwest, one guy doesn't figure mileage from one town to
the other, he figures it in how many beers it takes to get there. heheheh

Gary

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:42:45 -0800, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> > "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> > news
> >> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:10:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >>> So do you know of any weird food laws that used to be? Or still are?
> >>
> >> Since you mentioned alcohol: No beer above 5%. All bars must serve
> >> hard alcohol from airline bottles. The public may not purchase airline
> >> bottles at retail stores.
> >>
> >> South Carolina.
> >>
> >
> > Well we know it ain't Texas. "Can I get you a .45 auto with your vodka
> > stinger and beer chaser? We've got a special on hollow point teflon
> > jacketed bullets tonight."
>
> Shows how much you know about Texas. Guns are not allowed anywhere
> where alcohol sales comprises 51% more of the revenue of the
> establishment. Which rules all bars and all liquor stores.

Yes, you can't carry in bars or liqueur stores, but you are allowed to
shoot cops (ref. PC 9.31(c)(1), PC 9.31(c)(2), PC 9.32(1))... I don't
believe anyone has actually tested that law, but it's there and included
in the state published CHL pamphlet.

Jerry Avins wrote:
>
> On Jan 23, 3:46 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > Well, I am watching that celebrity cooking show on Food Network and Lou
> > Diamond Phillips said one must taste the bourbon to make sure it isn't bad.

I suspect Lou just needed a drink

> Some Bourbon is bad before you open it.
I wouldn't know bad from good. It all tastes very bad to me. ;-o

Gary

A Moose in Love > wrote in

s.com:

> You went into a liquor store. Instead of choosing a bottle
> off the shelf and paying for it and leaving, you went up to a
> counter. All of the available wines and liquors were listed
> on a nice menu. You chose what you wanted, put the code on a
> blue slip, and took it up to the main counter. The clerk
> would take your slip, walk back to where the liquor was,
> choose your bottle(s) and give it to you.

They more or less still sell beer that way.

--

If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn’t
help the poor, either we’ve got to pretend that Jesus
was just as selfish as we are, or we’ve got to acknowledge
that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy
without condition, and then admit that we just don’t
want to do it.

Stephen Colbert (via videcormeum)

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:27:09 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:14:29 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:23:03 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, liquor can't be sold after 2:00 a.m. here but I don't know at
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> hour in the morning it is legal to sell it again.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have to stop selling at 2AM here too... and they can open at 6AM.
>>>>> Not sure why they have to be "dry" 4 hours, seems silly to me.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. It does seem silly.
>>>
>>> It's top keep people from binge drinking and getting stupid. Which
>>> usually involves getting thrown into jail. It's a Quality of Life
>>> Law.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> All this moralizing in the laws is silly.
>
> It not a moralizing issue. I feel it's for the benefit of innocent,
> non-drunk people - so they don't have to stand for people walking
> around drunk all the time, throwing up in their yards and getting
> killed by drunk drivers.
>
You "feel"... but do you know it to be a fact? I don't know anyone who
walks around drunk all the time or throws up in their yard... and certainly
not at 2AM.

> People are less likely to be panhandling or breaking into cars
> stealing money from ashtrays at 3:am if there's no place to buy booze.
>
That's silly. How many panhandlers are out at 2 or 3AM?! As for breaking
into cars, criminals don't need booze as a reason to do it. Boosting
stereos is more likely than someone scrounging for spare change.

> Quality of Life Laws, such as "no alcoholic consumption in public
> parks", are not for the culprits but rather for the people who have to
> put up with them.
>
Sorry, but I don't understand that. I don't know anyone who hangs out in
public places such as "parks" in the wee hours of the morning.

>> People who drink know the laws
>> and they'll stock up well before 2AM. And how is this law fair to people
>> who work nights? If you get off work at midnight, 2AM is your "evening".
>
> You just contradicted your own argument before you even stated it.
>
> -sw

No, I didn't. You twisted it. Two separate issues.

Jill

Michel Boucher wrote:
>
> A Moose in Love > wrote in
>
> s.com:
>
> > You went into a liquor store. Instead of choosing a bottle
> > off the shelf and paying for it and leaving, you went up to a
> > counter. All of the available wines and liquors were listed
> > on a nice menu. You chose what you wanted, put the code on a
> > blue slip, and took it up to the main counter. The clerk
> > would take your slip, walk back to where the liquor was,
> > choose your bottle(s) and give it to you.
>
> They more or less still sell beer that way.

Where is this? I've never seen anything like that before in quite a few
US states.