"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:29:45 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> You can buy vacuum-sealed ground flax that you keep in the refrigerator
>> after opening. Still, it is not supposed to be as good as refrigerated
>> flax oil.
>
> I guess there are varying opinions on that. I was inclined toward the
> oil, but I read in more than one place that it's the least desirable
> alternative to the point that it does nothing significant. Apparently
> ground flaxseed is supposed to be the best... and it will be, at least
> until we finish the bag.

I consume both for different reasons.

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 01:31:51 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 01:24:34 +0000 (UTC), Mike Muth
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I just buy the milled flax seed. It's a coarse grind. I don't think
>> >> it
>> >> matters much how fine it is.
>> >
>> > Okay, I read somewhere that the already milled flaxseed goes rancid
>> > quickly and didn't see it anyway... not that I looked very hard.
>>
>> Keep it in the fridge and it will be fine.
>>
> Thanks, that's what I read. Should I keep the whole seeds in there
> too? The bag is kinda big.

I was told that the whole seeds don't need to be in there but when I have
them I do keep them in there.

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> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:52:37 +0100, "Giusi" >
> wrote:
>>
>> "sf" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> > Thanks! Niacin is another possibility.
>>
>> Don't smile when you say that unless you try it yourself. It's very
>> painful.
>>
> Really? I tried niacin OTC years ago (I forget why) and it didn't do
> anything to me, not even a little flush. Maybe I didn't take a high
> enough dose.

You have to take a VERY high dose. I had to ramp up over a series of weeks.

"Mike Muth" > wrote in message
...
> "Giusi" > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> "Giusi" >
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Don't smile when you say that unless you try it yourself. It's very
>>>> painful.
>>>>
>>> Really? I tried niacin OTC years ago (I forget why) and it didn't do
>>> anything to me, not even a little flush. Maybe I didn't take a high
>>> enough dose.
>>
>> Only high dosaes do anything, and even though working up to them slowly,
>> they still hurt like you know what at the top dose. The crown was my
>> cholesterol went up anyway.
>
> I think that's one of those "Your Mileage May Vary" things. I'm taking
> 2,000 mg a day and don't experience any pain (other than the arthritis,
> which is there anyway). It's winter here, so I'm not getting lots of sun.
> Now, when I start working in the yard again, I'll stop the niacin. Lots
> of
> sunlight and lots of niacin is a bad combination.
>
> I tried the regular (as opposed to the non-flushable) niacin for a while.
> Still no pain, although it was definitely a case of hot flashes without
> the
> hormones...

I took the regular niacin but the only thing that stopped the flushing was
to eat about three times the food I should have eaten.

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:52:37 +0100, "Giusi" >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "sf" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> > Thanks! Niacin is another possibility.
>>>
>>> Don't smile when you say that unless you try it yourself. It's very
>>> painful.
>>>
>> Really? I tried niacin OTC years ago (I forget why) and it didn't do
>> anything to me, not even a little flush. Maybe I didn't take a high
>> enough dose.
>>
>
> My endo put me on niacin when I was diagnosed with diabetes. It has nasty
> side effects. Very painful side effects. For me it was terrible lower
> back spasms and bowel cramps.

It can raise blood sugar too.

On Jan 29, 6:06*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "Mike Muth" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Giusi" > wrote:
>
> >> "sf" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> >> *"Giusi" >
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> Don't smile when you say that unless you try it yourself. *It's very
> >>>> painful.
>
> >>> Really? *I tried niacin OTC years ago (I forget why) and it didn't do
> >>> anything to me, not even a little flush. *Maybe I didn't take a high
> >>> enough dose.
>
> >> Only high dosaes do anything, and even though working up to them slowly,
> >> they still hurt like you know what at the top dose. The crown was my
> >> cholesterol went up anyway.
>
> > I think that's one of those "Your Mileage May Vary" things. *I'm taking
> > 2,000 mg a day and don't experience any pain (other than the arthritis,
> > which is there anyway). *It's winter here, so I'm not getting lots of sun.
> > Now, when I start working in the yard again, I'll stop the niacin. *Lots
> > of
> > sunlight and lots of niacin is a bad combination.
>
> > I tried the regular (as opposed to the non-flushable) niacin for a while.
> > Still no pain, although it was definitely a case of hot flashes without
> > the
> > hormones...
>
> I took the regular niacin but the only thing that stopped the flushing was
> to eat about three times the food I should have eaten.

HIV patients shouldn't give nutrition advice to others. Your needs are
very different.

"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:26:39 +0000 (UTC), Mike Muth
> > wrote:
>
>> BCBS keeps telling me to eat more starches and less meat. I used to do
>> that, but I'm feeling much better now.
>
> I think my husband will do better with fewer starches because of the
> pre-diabetes. Hopefully his blood sugar will show some signs of going
> in the right direction after a month.
>>
>> BTW, the cholesterol lowering benefits which many cereals claim is
>> largely
>> from the niacin you get from eating their cereal. I take a much larger
>> dose than I would get from eating a whole box of cereal.
>
> I put oatmeal on the list and hubby bought McCann's, but it was
> instant... something I don't remember eating before. Horrible stuff,
> tasted like wallpaper paste. I'll make steel cut oatmeal for
> tomorrow. The ground flaxseeds weren't bad on it, but I didn't know
> what to do about sweetening (need to get some stevia or a fake
> sweetener). I usually like brown sugar and butter on my oatmeal, but
> I put a little honey on it this morning and it wasn't bad.

Oatmeal can really raise blood sugar. We don't eat it very often. When I
make it, I chop up several apples, fan fry them in a little butter to
caramelize then add them to the oatmeal. I like walnuts in there too but my
daughter does not. I also add cinnamon. No sweetener at all. But the end
result is mostly apples because they are better for my blood sugar.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/29/2012 4:29 AM, sf wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:47:15 -0500, >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > On 1/28/2012 7:03 PM, sf wrote:
>
>>>> Thanks, I went out and bought some flax seeds to grind up earlier
>>>> today. How fine is it supposed to be? I whizzed them in my coffee
>>>> grinder/spice mill.
>>>>
>>> >
>>> > What did you put it in?
>
>> I put it in a plastic food storage container and put it in the
>> refrigerator? Why?
>>
>
> Actually, I meant what do you use it in, as in do you sprinkle it on
> something or just eat it by the spoonful?

I put mine on buttered toast. Quite a thick layer. I also mix it into
gravies, add to meatloaf or anything else that requires egg. I use it
instead of the egg. If you don't have an egg allergy, you can still use it.
Just use some in place of some of the egg.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:06:50 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "sf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:52:37 +0100, "Giusi" >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "sf" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> >>> > Thanks! Niacin is another possibility.
> >>>
> >>> Don't smile when you say that unless you try it yourself. It's very
> >>> painful.
> >>>
> >> Really? I tried niacin OTC years ago (I forget why) and it didn't do
> >> anything to me, not even a little flush. Maybe I didn't take a high
> >> enough dose.
> >>
> >
> > My endo put me on niacin when I was diagnosed with diabetes. It has nasty
> > side effects. Very painful side effects. For me it was terrible lower
> > back spasms and bowel cramps.
>
> It can raise blood sugar too.
>
It wouldn't be good for my husband then.

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:10:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Oatmeal can really raise blood sugar. We don't eat it very often. When I
> make it, I chop up several apples, fan fry them in a little butter to
> caramelize then add them to the oatmeal. I like walnuts in there too but my
> daughter does not. I also add cinnamon. No sweetener at all. But the end
> result is mostly apples because they are better for my blood sugar.

So, it's cholesterol or blood sugar. Don't the apples raise it too?

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:12:51 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Actually, I meant what do you use it in, as in do you sprinkle it on
> > something or just eat it by the spoonful?
>
> I put mine on buttered toast. Quite a thick layer. I also mix it into
> gravies, add to meatloaf or anything else that requires egg. I use it
> instead of the egg. If you don't have an egg allergy, you can still use it.
> Just use some in place of some of the egg.
>
How much do you figure you take per day and how can you tell how much
you're actually eating if you put it into things like meatloaf?

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BillyZoom wrote:
> On Jan 29, 6:06 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> "Mike Muth" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Giusi" > wrote:
>>
>>>> "sf" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>> "Giusi" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Don't smile when you say that unless you try it yourself. It's
>>>>>> very painful.
>>
>>>>> Really? I tried niacin OTC years ago (I forget why) and it didn't
>>>>> do anything to me, not even a little flush. Maybe I didn't take a
>>>>> high enough dose.
>>
>>>> Only high dosaes do anything, and even though working up to them
>>>> slowly, they still hurt like you know what at the top dose. The
>>>> crown was my cholesterol went up anyway.
>>
>>> I think that's one of those "Your Mileage May Vary" things. I'm
>>> taking 2,000 mg a day and don't experience any pain (other than the
>>> arthritis, which is there anyway). It's winter here, so I'm not
>>> getting lots of sun. Now, when I start working in the yard again,
>>> I'll stop the niacin. Lots of
>>> sunlight and lots of niacin is a bad combination.
>>
>>> I tried the regular (as opposed to the non-flushable) niacin for a
>>> while. Still no pain, although it was definitely a case of hot
>>> flashes without the
>>> hormones...
>>
>> I took the regular niacin but the only thing that stopped the
>> flushing was to eat about three times the food I should have eaten.
>
> HIV patients shouldn't give nutrition advice to others. Your needs are
> very different.

WTF? Who has HIV? Not me.

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:06:50 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> It can raise blood sugar too.
>>
> It wouldn't be good for my husband then.

Nope.

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:10:52 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> Oatmeal can really raise blood sugar. We don't eat it very often.
>> When I make it, I chop up several apples, fan fry them in a little
>> butter to caramelize then add them to the oatmeal. I like walnuts
>> in there too but my daughter does not. I also add cinnamon. No
>> sweetener at all. But the end result is mostly apples because they
>> are better for my blood sugar.
>
> So, it's cholesterol or blood sugar. Don't the apples raise it too?

They do but not nearly as much as the oatmeal does. Not for me anyway.

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:12:51 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, I meant what do you use it in, as in do you sprinkle it on
>>> something or just eat it by the spoonful?
>>
>> I put mine on buttered toast. Quite a thick layer. I also mix it
>> into gravies, add to meatloaf or anything else that requires egg. I
>> use it instead of the egg. If you don't have an egg allergy, you
>> can still use it. Just use some in place of some of the egg.
>>
> How much do you figure you take per day and how can you tell how much
> you're actually eating if you put it into things like meatloaf?

When I put it on toast I probably use about 2T. I don't really know how
much is in the meatloaf because I make so much at once and I don't measure
anything. I just mix it until it looks right.

On Jan 28, 1:01*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:44:02 -0800 (PST), Bryan
>
> > wrote:
> > Eggs that are fried in high oleic oil are good for your arteries
>
> Is it too hard for you to say "Canola"?
>
Canola is merely one of the high oleic oils, and one that many folks
dislike the taste of.

--Bryan

On Jan 28, 11:08*am, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Bryan > wrote:
> > On Jan 27, 10:48*pm, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
> > > "Cheryl" <>>>> I need to lower my cholesterol and would like to incorporate
> > > something>>>> like this into regular meals other than cereal or smoothies
> > > or as a
> > > >>>> topping.
>
> > > >>>> Bob's Red Mill Old County Muesili bought in bulk from Amazon.
>
> > > I know this notion will draw fire from all directions and I welcome their
> > > expertise. *Really. *One of my best shots at lowering cholesterol is
> > > attacking the incredible, edible egg. *In lots of cases, you can substitute
> > > two egg whites and dump the yolks in the trash. *Sometimes, applesauce will
> > > work in a recipe that calls for 'whole' eggs.
>
> > Quit worrying about cholesterol. *Instead, pay attention to the
> > lipoproteins that transport cholesterol. *HDL is very good. *LDL is
> > very bad. *VLDL is horrible. *Eggs that are fried in high oleic oil
> > are good for your arteries
>
> "Quit worrying about cholesterol"? *That sounds dumb. *And why would you
> look at LDL if you didn't care about cholesterol? *High LDL levels are
> an indication that your body may be depositing cholesterol in your
> arteries, causing risk of heart attacks and strokes.

I was sloppy. I should have written *dietary* cholesterol.
>
> --
> Dan Abel

--Bryan

Mike wrote:

>> I had worked up to 1200 mg/day before quitting because it wasn't having
>> any effect on my cholesterol levels. It was a bit like your skin feels
>> when you're sunburned but nothing is touching you, kind of tingly.
>
> I'm guessing you took the regular niacin and not one of the non-flushing
> varieties. I had a similar experience. Add sunlight to that and it can
> be painful.

That's correct. My doctor mentioned that the non-flushing varieties were
pretty much worse than worthless for lowering cholesterol, and that they can
actually be harmful. I was able to tolerate the flushing just fine; it just
felt a bit weird. But when it didn't help after a year, I quit using it.

Bob

On Jan 30, 7:16*am, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> >> I had worked up to 1200 mg/day before quitting because it wasn't having
> >> any effect on my cholesterol levels. It was a bit like your skin feels
> >> when you're sunburned but nothing is touching you, kind of tingly.
>
> > I'm guessing you took the regular niacin and not one of the non-flushing
> > varieties. *I had a similar experience. *Add sunlight to that and it can
> > be painful.
>
> That's correct. My doctor mentioned that the non-flushing varieties were
> pretty much worse than worthless for lowering cholesterol, and that they can
> actually be harmful.

Totally true. The FDA should make them put "does not lower
cholesterol" on the label.
>
> Bob

--Bryan

sf wrote:

> Braised Lamb Shank Shepherd's Pie With Creamed Spinach
> http://www.cookingindex.com/recipes/...ed-spinach.htm

That episode of "Sara's Secrets" was on just about a week ago. (That's where
cookingindex.com got the recipe, and they did give attribution.) It's a very
good recipe. Enjoy!

Bob

Mike Muth wrote:

> BTW, the cholesterol lowering benefits which many cereals claim is largely
> from the niacin you get from eating their cereal.

I don't know about "largely". I'd think the principal benefit would be from
soluble fiber rather than niacin.

Bob

sf wrote:

> I put oatmeal on the list and hubby bought McCann's, but it was
> instant... something I don't remember eating before. Horrible stuff,
> tasted like wallpaper paste. I'll make steel cut oatmeal for
> tomorrow. The ground flaxseeds weren't bad on it, but I didn't know
> what to do about sweetening (need to get some stevia or a fake
> sweetener). I usually like brown sugar and butter on my oatmeal, but
> I put a little honey on it this morning and it wasn't bad.

It's also possible to make savory oatmeal. It doesn't *have* to be sweet.

Bob

On 1/29/12 7:13 AM, Giusi wrote:
> > ha scritto nel messaggio
> >
>> wrote:
>
>>> Don't smile when you say that unless you try it yourself. It's very
>>> painful.
>>>
>> Really? I tried niacin OTC years ago (I forget why) and it didn't do
>> anything to me, not even a little flush. Maybe I didn't take a high
>> enough dose.
>
> Only high dosaes do anything, and even though working up to them slowly,
> they still hurt like you know what at the top dose. The crown was my
> cholesterol went up anyway.
>
>
I had a dermatologist recommend taking it as its apparently good for
skin and nails... ohmygawd what a tummy ache it gave me!! I never took
it again after that first try. To hell with beauty, LOL!

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 05:54:21 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> > I put oatmeal on the list and hubby bought McCann's, but it was
> > instant... something I don't remember eating before. Horrible stuff,
> > tasted like wallpaper paste. I'll make steel cut oatmeal for
> > tomorrow. The ground flaxseeds weren't bad on it, but I didn't know
> > what to do about sweetening (need to get some stevia or a fake
> > sweetener). I usually like brown sugar and butter on my oatmeal, but
> > I put a little honey on it this morning and it wasn't bad.
>
> It's also possible to make savory oatmeal. It doesn't *have* to be sweet.
>
But "savory" oatmeal tastes like paste, no matter how much you salt
it.

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On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 05:47:53 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> > Braised Lamb Shank Shepherd's Pie With Creamed Spinach
> > http://www.cookingindex.com/recipes/...ed-spinach.htm
>
> That episode of "Sara's Secrets" was on just about a week ago. (That's where
> cookingindex.com got the recipe, and they did give attribution.) It's a very
> good recipe. Enjoy!
>
I did a variation of it and it was delicious. One meaty shank goes a
long way!

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On 1/30/2012 11:04 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 05:54:21 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>
>>> I put oatmeal on the list and hubby bought McCann's, but it was
>>> instant... something I don't remember eating before. Horrible stuff,
>>> tasted like wallpaper paste. I'll make steel cut oatmeal for
>>> tomorrow. The ground flaxseeds weren't bad on it, but I didn't know
>>> what to do about sweetening (need to get some stevia or a fake
>>> sweetener). I usually like brown sugar and butter on my oatmeal, but
>>> I put a little honey on it this morning and it wasn't bad.
>>
>> It's also possible to make savory oatmeal. It doesn't *have* to be sweet.
>>
> But "savory" oatmeal tastes like paste, no matter how much you salt
> it.
>

You could always add some chili powder and beans to give it some kick. :-)

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:21:34 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> On 1/30/2012 11:04 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 05:54:21 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> sf wrote:
> >>
> >>> I put oatmeal on the list and hubby bought McCann's, but it was
> >>> instant... something I don't remember eating before. Horrible stuff,
> >>> tasted like wallpaper paste. I'll make steel cut oatmeal for
> >>> tomorrow. The ground flaxseeds weren't bad on it, but I didn't know
> >>> what to do about sweetening (need to get some stevia or a fake
> >>> sweetener). I usually like brown sugar and butter on my oatmeal, but
> >>> I put a little honey on it this morning and it wasn't bad.
> >>
> >> It's also possible to make savory oatmeal. It doesn't *have* to be sweet.
> >>
> > But "savory" oatmeal tastes like paste, no matter how much you salt
> > it.
> >
>
> You could always add some chili powder and beans to give it some kick. :-)

<laugh> No thanks!

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sf replied to me:

>> It's also possible to make savory oatmeal. It doesn't *have* to be sweet.
>>
> But "savory" oatmeal tastes like paste, no matter how much you salt
> it.

Oh, I don't mean PLAIN oatmeal. Just Google for "savory oatmeal ideas"
and you can find ideas for things like oatmeal with olive oil, cracked
pepper, and cheddar. These ideas are from the very first hit on that search:

* Chopped ham and shredded cheddar

* Wilted arugula and extra virgin olive oil

* Marinara sauce and grated Parmigiano Reggiano

* Sauteed mushrooms and Gruyere cheese

* Sauteed sausage and onions

* Shredded roast chicken and roasted or sauteed leeks

* Diced avocado and salsa verde

* Diced tomatoes and feta

If you add "vegan" to the search (since you mentioned that Bob is trying
to avoid animal fats) one of the first hits is for oatmeal with avocado,
onion, mushrooms, and zucchini.

You could even use oatmeal as a kind of soft polenta and top it with
some kind of ragout or stew.

THAT is what I meant by "savory oatmeal."

Bob

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:06:26 -0800, Bob Terwilliger
> wrote:

> If you add "vegan" to the search (since you mentioned that Bob is trying
> to avoid animal fats) one of the first hits is for oatmeal with avocado,
> onion, mushrooms, and zucchini.
>
> You could even use oatmeal as a kind of soft polenta and top it with
> some kind of ragout or stew.
>
> THAT is what I meant by "savory oatmeal."

Aha, I see. Thanks.

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