We did our weekly grocery shopping at Winco tonight. Well some of it
anyway. I only buy certain things there.

I did not have any health and beauty aids on my grocery list but I had a
feeling there was something I needed on that aisle so we proceeded to walk
down it lest something catch my eye and trigger my memory.

I should add that my daughter noted that Winco has far more of those ride on
carts for disabled people than any other store in this area. And not
everyone who rides the carts in there appears to be disabled unless you
count morbidly obese as disabled. Because you do see a lot of those types
riding on those carts. And there was one on that aisle. Her big red parka
will be forever on my mind. And not in a good way!

The woman started backing up. Came right at me. Then I swear she turned
around, looked me in the eye and backed up full force right at me. I began
to run backwards, or as close to running as I could, seeing as how I myself
am disabled. Not disabled enough to need one of those carts. I just can't
walk very fast. But my daughter said she had never seen me move so fast and
she said I had the most horrified look on my face. She told me that surely
the lady didn't see me. But I know she did. She had the look of evil on
her face. I swear it.

We went to the next aisle where we really didn't need anything, but I felt
the need to catch my breath. Then my daughter whispered to me that a man
was going to knock off some pickles. I looked, and sure enough. There was
a poor man in a full length leg cast. He was not in a ride on cart but his
own wheelchair type thing but his leg was sticking out straight and propped
up on a bed pillow. He was frantically trying to reach something on the
shelf above but his foot looked like it was going to knock off three jars!

Later, we saw the man being loaded into the back of a vehicle. They had to
open the hatch and throw him into the back, like cargo. I guess he wouldn't
fit any other way because the leg wouldn't bend.

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> We did our weekly grocery shopping at Winco tonight. Well some of it
> anyway. I only buy certain things there.

probably not the cheap apples in three pound bags

<snip>

> I should add that my daughter noted that Winco has far more of those ride on
> carts for disabled people than any other store in this area. And not
> everyone who rides the carts in there appears to be disabled unless you
> count morbidly obese as disabled. Because you do see a lot of those types
> riding on those carts. And there was one on that aisle. Her big red parka
> will be forever on my mind. And not in a good way!
>
> The woman started backing up. Came right at me. Then I swear she turned
> around, looked me in the eye and backed up full force right at me. I began
> to run backwards, or as close to running as I could, seeing as how I myself
> am disabled. Not disabled enough to need one of those carts. I just can't
> walk very fast. But my daughter said she had never seen me move so fast and
> she said I had the most horrified look on my face. She told me that surely
> the lady didn't see me. But I know she did. She had the look of evil on
> her face. I swear it.

Probably someone from rfc


>
> We went to the next aisle where we really didn't need anything, but I felt
> the need to catch my breath. Then my daughter whispered to me that a man
> was going to knock off some pickles. I looked, and sure enough. There was
> a poor man in a full length leg cast. He was not in a ride on cart but his
> own wheelchair type thing but his leg was sticking out straight and propped
> up on a bed pillow. He was frantically trying to reach something on the
> shelf above but his foot looked like it was going to knock off three jars!

How nice of you and your daughter to not shout or otherwise inform this person
to stop or he would cause a spill.



>
> Later, we saw the man being loaded into the back of a vehicle. They had to
> open the hatch and throw him into the back, like cargo. I guess he wouldn't
> fit any other way because the leg wouldn't bend.


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On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:00:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>We did our weekly grocery shopping at Winco tonight. Well some of it
>anyway. I only buy certain things there.
snip
>
>We went to the next aisle where we really didn't need anything, but I felt
>the need to catch my breath. Then my daughter whispered to me that a man
>was going to knock off some pickles. I looked, and sure enough. There was
>a poor man in a full length leg cast. He was not in a ride on cart but his
>own wheelchair type thing but his leg was sticking out straight and propped
>up on a bed pillow. He was frantically trying to reach something on the
>shelf above but his foot looked like it was going to knock off three jars!
did you daughter help the man by getting the item he couldn't reach.?
Did you or she save the jar of pickles? Or was it all about you
janet us

On 2/3/2012 11:00 PM, Julie Bove wrote:


<judgmental intolerant drivel snipped>


Not being able to walk very fast does not make you disabled all by
itself. In fact, I've never seen it on any state's list of criteria for
determining disability. Therefore, you are not physically disabled. You
are, however, psychologically disabled. Terribly so. Your mentality is
severely impaired and you suffer from profound self-focus and narcissism.

It IS possible that the woman in the "large red parka" didn't see you,
even though you swear that she was looking right at you. And typical of
your narcissitic bent, it's likely that most of the time that you think
people are looking at you they are really looking at something or
someone else.

It COULD be that the man in the cast needed help and not whispers
between the two of you about his potential for breaking jars.

It COULD be that what you've adjudged to be simply "morbidly obese"
postdates the condition that necessitates the use of the motorized carts.

It COULD be that many disabilities are what's termed "invisible," still
not requiring the accoutrement of adaptive equipment, but, like heart
and respiratory illnesses, arthritis or lupus, impacting activity
tolerance and ambulation while still not obvious to the beholder.

The disabled have enough to think about without having to deal with the
snickers and criticisms of people like you and your daughter. The ADA
made a lot of progress, but it still can't force its way through the
thick skulls of onlookers who think that the disabled have to prove
their conditions at every turn.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:00:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>We did our weekly grocery shopping at Winco tonight. Well some of it
>>anyway. I only buy certain things there.
> snip
>>
>>We went to the next aisle where we really didn't need anything, but I felt
>>the need to catch my breath. Then my daughter whispered to me that a man
>>was going to knock off some pickles. I looked, and sure enough. There
>>was
>>a poor man in a full length leg cast. He was not in a ride on cart but
>>his
>>own wheelchair type thing but his leg was sticking out straight and
>>propped
>>up on a bed pillow. He was frantically trying to reach something on the
>>shelf above but his foot looked like it was going to knock off three jars!
> did you daughter help the man by getting the item he couldn't reach.?
> Did you or she save the jar of pickles? Or was it all about you
> janet us

I don't think any pickles actually fell. I don't know. He wasn't alone.
There were several people shopping with him.

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/3/2012 11:00 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>
> <judgmental intolerant drivel snipped>
>
>
> Not being able to walk very fast does not make you disabled all by itself.
> In fact, I've never seen it on any state's list of criteria for
> determining disability. Therefore, you are not physically disabled. You
> are, however, psychologically disabled. Terribly so. Your mentality is
> severely impaired and you suffer from profound self-focus and narcissism.
>
No it doesn't. I do have several medical problems and those combined make
me disabled. I'm just saying that is the nature of my disability. I can't
walk very far or very fast.

I am not psychologically disabled. And I don't think you are a
pyschologist.

> It IS possible that the woman in the "large red parka" didn't see you,
> even though you swear that she was looking right at you. And typical of
> your narcissitic bent, it's likely that most of the time that you think
> people are looking at you they are really looking at something or someone
> else.

No. She was already backing up. Then she turned around, looked right at me
and headed towards me.
>
> It COULD be that the man in the cast needed help and not whispers between
> the two of you about his potential for breaking jars.

Then one of the people shopping with him should have been helping him.
There were three people with him.
>
> It COULD be that what you've adjudged to be simply "morbidly obese"
> postdates the condition that necessitates the use of the motorized carts.

Whatever.
>
> It COULD be that many disabilities are what's termed "invisible," still
> not requiring the accoutrement of adaptive equipment, but, like heart and
> respiratory illnesses, arthritis or lupus, impacting activity tolerance
> and ambulation while still not obvious to the beholder.

Oh indeed! And yet you say I am not disabled.
>
> The disabled have enough to think about without having to deal with the
> snickers and criticisms of people like you and your daughter. The ADA made
> a lot of progress, but it still can't force its way through the thick
> skulls of onlookers who think that the disabled have to prove their
> conditions at every turn.

Indeed again! And I am legally disabled.

On 2/4/2012 1:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> No it doesn't. I do have several medical problems and those combined make
> me disabled. I'm just saying that is the nature of my disability. I can't
> walk very far or very fast.


You can't walk very far due to what? It doesn't just happen because
"patient is unable to walk very far or very fast." There has to be more
to it. You may well have multiple medical issues, but it only takes one
to qualify to be disabled enough to a parking placard or use of a
motorized cart.



> I am not psychologically disabled. And I don't think you are a
> pyschologist.


I've read your posts here. You are supremely self-focused. That has
disabled you in many ways.




> No. She was already backing up. Then she turned around, looked right at me
> and headed towards me.


Okay, so she was already backing up. Then she turned around. And then,
you swear she was looking right at you and heading straight toward you.
And yet it is still possible that she didn't see you, or wasn't really
looking at you. Or, perhaps more to the point, she wasn't that close to
you. Do you want one of the motorized carts? Ask the front-end manager
or at customer service. They won't question an invisible impairment.




> Then one of the people shopping with him should have been helping him.
> There were three people with him.

Did you offer? Or is it somebody else's problem? Or did you and your
daughter feel that commentary would be more helpful?



>> It COULD be that what you've adjudged to be simply "morbidly obese"
>> postdates the condition that necessitates the use of the motorized carts.
>
> Whatever.

Your dismissal of that speaks volumns.




>> It COULD be that many disabilities are what's termed "invisible," still
>> not requiring the accoutrement of adaptive equipment, but, like heart and
>> respiratory illnesses, arthritis or lupus, impacting activity tolerance
>> and ambulation while still not obvious to the beholder.
>
> Oh indeed! And yet you say I am not disabled.

I am not saying that you might not have an invisible disability. I'm
saying that you stated only that you can't walk very fast. That is not a
criteria for disability. Are we to divine your disability from that alone?



>> The disabled have enough to think about without having to deal with the
>> snickers and criticisms of people like you and your daughter. The ADA made
>> a lot of progress, but it still can't force its way through the thick
>> skulls of onlookers who think that the disabled have to prove their
>> conditions at every turn.
>
> Indeed again! And I am legally disabled.


The disabled get no snickers and criticisms from me. Those criticizing
and snickering at the disabled do, though, and that is something you
were doing in abundance. I guess it makes it worse that you are claiming
legal disability, too. Or were you only making fun of "those types" (the
morbidly obese) who use the motorized carts, or the others who (in
higher than normal rates in that store, anyway) use them while not
appearing to be disabled in the least?

Pennyaline wrote:
>Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> No it doesn't. I do have several medical problems and those combined make
>> me disabled. I'm just saying that is the nature of my disability. I can't
>> walk very far or very fast.
>
>You can't walk very far due to what?

A walking allergy?

On 2/4/2012 2:23 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Pennyaline wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> No it doesn't. I do have several medical problems and those combined make
>>> me disabled. I'm just saying that is the nature of my disability. I can't
>>> walk very far or very fast.
>>
>> You can't walk very far due to what?
>
> A walking allergy?

Now that didn't occur to me at all. Well played, Sheldon!

On 2/4/2012 2:31 PM, Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:54:13 -0600, >
> wrote:
>
>> None of the carts I have seen or ridden (I used to ride them in from
>> the parking lot when I saw them) go backwards.
>
> All the ones I have ridden during my multiple recoveries from hip
> surgeries have gone backwards.


The carts in our local stores all go into reverse as well. It's kind of
funny to watch the store staff reparking and rearranging these carts in
the vestibule.

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:35:02 -0700, Pennyaline
> wrote:

>On 2/4/2012 2:23 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Pennyaline wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> No it doesn't. I do have several medical problems and those combined make
>>>> me disabled. I'm just saying that is the nature of my disability. I can't
>>>> walk very far or very fast.
>>>
>>> You can't walk very far due to what?
>>
>> A walking allergy?
>
>Now that didn't occur to me at all. Well played, Sheldon!

Like walking pneumonia.

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:00:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>We did our weekly grocery shopping at Winco tonight. Well some of it
> >>anyway. I only buy certain things there.
> > snip
> >>
> >>We went to the next aisle where we really didn't need anything, but I felt
> >>the need to catch my breath. Then my daughter whispered to me that a man
> >>was going to knock off some pickles. I looked, and sure enough. There
> >>was
> >>a poor man in a full length leg cast. He was not in a ride on cart but
> >>his
> >>own wheelchair type thing but his leg was sticking out straight and
> >>propped
> >>up on a bed pillow. He was frantically trying to reach something on the
> >>shelf above but his foot looked like it was going to knock off three jars!
> > did you daughter help the man by getting the item he couldn't reach.?
> > Did you or she save the jar of pickles? Or was it all about you
> > janet us
>
> I don't think any pickles actually fell. I don't know. He wasn't alone.
> There were several people shopping with him.

You knew enough to describe this "nightmare" in detail and point out that you
looked at this "poor" person, yet you don't know if any pickles fell?

Do you just make this stuff up?

On Feb 4, 6:43*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> wrote:
> In article >, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > > On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:00:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > > wrote:
>
> > >>We did our weekly grocery shopping at Winco tonight. *Well some of it
> > >>anyway. *I only buy certain things there.
> > > snip
>
> > >>We went to the next aisle where we really didn't need anything, but I felt
> > >>the need to catch my breath. *Then my daughter whispered to me that a man
> > >>was going to knock off some pickles. *I looked, and sure enough. *There
> > >>was
> > >>a poor man in a full length leg cast. *He was not in a ride on cart but
> > >>his
> > >>own wheelchair type thing but his leg was sticking out straight and
> > >>propped
> > >>up on a bed pillow. *He was frantically trying to reach something on the
> > >>shelf above but his foot looked like it was going to knock off three jars!
> > > did you daughter help the man by getting the item he couldn't reach.?
> > > Did you or she save the jar of pickles? *Or was it all about you
> > > janet us
>
> > I don't think any pickles actually fell. *I don't know. *He wasn't alone.
> > There were several people shopping with him.
>
> You knew enough to describe this "nightmare" in detail and point out that you
> looked at this "poor" person, yet you don't know if any pickles fell?
>
> Do you just make this stuff up?

That's a big YES. Her life is so sad it can't possibly be real. A
husband who dodges her, a daughter who is allergic to everything and
not suitable to bring out in public. Not to mention her myriad
imagined maladies. If you look at the picture that she claims is her,
you wouldn't believe she wouldn't eat a bullet. If that is truly her,
I don't know how she managed to get boned, much less breed.

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:31:20 -0800, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:54:13 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >None of the carts I have seen or ridden (I used to ride them in from
> >the parking lot when I saw them) go backwards.
>
> All the ones I have ridden during my multiple recoveries from hip
> surgeries have gone backwards.
>
How long does it take to recover from hip surgery? I mean recovered
enough to go up and down flights of stairs.

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On Feb 4, 3:21*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
> No it doesn't. *I do have several medical problems



Your point of the whole diatribe is....what? Relationship between
pickles and red parkas?

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/4/2012 2:23 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Pennyaline wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> No it doesn't. I do have several medical problems and those combined
>>>> make
>>>> me disabled. I'm just saying that is the nature of my disability. I
>>>> can't
>>>> walk very far or very fast.
>>>
>>> You can't walk very far due to what?
>>
>> A walking allergy?
>
> Now that didn't occur to me at all. Well played, Sheldon!

I am aware of Julie's health issues from other groups. I suppose she'd
rather speak for herself but I can say that her condition is very
debilitating. With what she has walking is very painful and tiring.

And Penny, you are not a shrink. Your criteria for your diagnosis does not
fit the DSMV-IV for NPD. Real NPDs are as evil as people can be and I don't
see that in her.

Assholes abound in this world and some of them are in wheelchairs.

Paul

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 12:21:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> No it doesn't. I do have several medical problems and those combined
>> make
>> me disabled. I'm just saying that is the nature of my disability. I
>> can't
>> walk very far or very fast.
>
> So that's why you went down an isle you knew you didn't need anything.
>
>> No. She was already backing up. Then she turned around, looked right at
>> me
>> and headed towards me.
>
> Sounds like you had plenty of time to move rather than staring at her
> and her red parka contemplating her disability and waiting for her to
> stare you.
>
>>> It COULD be that the man in the cast needed help and not whispers
>>> between
>>> the two of you about his potential for breaking jars.
>>
>> Then one of the people shopping with him should have been helping him.
>> There were three people with him.
>
> Does that preclude his needing help? I still would have asked. All
> the more reason to ask if people where with him and being ignorant.
>

Uh, sqwerty? Aren't you the one who posted a hugely self congratulating
post about an adventure you had at a market where you ended up pilfering a
roast from somebody's cart? Might have seemed pretty manly to you but most
of us just saw you as a weenie.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. And in your case
should not dance naked on pianos while wearing a gorilla mask.

Paul

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
news
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:54:13 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>>None of the carts I have seen or ridden (I used to ride them in from
>>the parking lot when I saw them) go backwards.
>
> All the ones I have ridden during my multiple recoveries from hip
> surgeries have gone backwards.
>

All my markets have them and they all go backwards.

Paul

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:31:20 -0800, Christine Dabney
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:54:13 -0600, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >None of the carts I have seen or ridden (I used to ride them in from
>> >the parking lot when I saw them) go backwards.
>>
>> All the ones I have ridden during my multiple recoveries from hip
>> surgeries have gone backwards.
>>
> How long does it take to recover from hip surgery? I mean recovered
> enough to go up and down flights of stairs.


Took my mother about 6 weeks. Knee surgery took far longer.

Paul

and julie, for what its worth, on the IL application for a disabled parking
placcard the phrase something like "unable to walk xx feet in xx time " is a
listed qualifyer, so its on at least one state's list and i think MO as
well, Lee
"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Pennyaline" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/3/2012 11:00 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>
>> <judgmental intolerant drivel snipped>
>>
>>
>> Not being able to walk very fast does not make you disabled all by
>> itself. In fact, I've never seen it on any state's list of criteria for
>> determining disability. Therefore, you are not physically disabled. You
>> are, however, psychologically disabled. Terribly so. Your mentality is
>> severely impaired and you suffer from profound self-focus and narcissism.
>>
> No it doesn't. I do have several medical problems and those combined make
> me disabled. I'm just saying that is the nature of my disability. I
> can't walk very far or very fast.
>
> I am not psychologically disabled. And I don't think you are a
> pyschologist.
>
>> It IS possible that the woman in the "large red parka" didn't see you,
>> even though you swear that she was looking right at you. And typical of
>> your narcissitic bent, it's likely that most of the time that you think
>> people are looking at you they are really looking at something or someone
>> else.
>
> No. She was already backing up. Then she turned around, looked right at
> me and headed towards me.
>>
>> It COULD be that the man in the cast needed help and not whispers between
>> the two of you about his potential for breaking jars.
>
> Then one of the people shopping with him should have been helping him.
> There were three people with him.
>>
>> It COULD be that what you've adjudged to be simply "morbidly obese"
>> postdates the condition that necessitates the use of the motorized carts.
>
> Whatever.
>>
>> It COULD be that many disabilities are what's termed "invisible," still
>> not requiring the accoutrement of adaptive equipment, but, like heart and
>> respiratory illnesses, arthritis or lupus, impacting activity tolerance
>> and ambulation while still not obvious to the beholder.
>
> Oh indeed! And yet you say I am not disabled.
>>
>> The disabled have enough to think about without having to deal with the
>> snickers and criticisms of people like you and your daughter. The ADA
>> made a lot of progress, but it still can't force its way through the
>> thick skulls of onlookers who think that the disabled have to prove their
>> conditions at every turn.
>
> Indeed again! And I am legally disabled.
>

On 2/4/2012 5:36 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> I am aware of Julie's health issues from other groups. I suppose she'd
> rather speak for herself but I can say that her condition is very
> debilitating. With what she has walking is very painful and tiring.

It makes her inclined to judge others as not disabled as well, or is it
something else that moves her to do that?

>
> And Penny, you are not a shrink. Your criteria for your diagnosis does not
> fit the DSMV-IV for NPD. Real NPDs are as evil as people can be and I don't
> see that in her.

I'm not diagnosing her, doc, just providing color commentary. And just
because she doesn't fit the DSM criteria for "real narcissistic
personality disorder" doesn't mean she's not narcissistic and
self-focused. She surely is.



> Assholes abound in this world and some of them are in wheelchairs.

And some of them are observing other people in wheelchairs.

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/4/2012 5:36 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> I am aware of Julie's health issues from other groups. I suppose she'd
>> rather speak for herself but I can say that her condition is very
>> debilitating. With what she has walking is very painful and tiring.
>
> It makes her inclined to judge others as not disabled as well, or is it
> something else that moves her to do that?

I didn't see any judgment. It's a very hard thing to deal with when you
feel you have been assaulted or in some way threatened. I remember this
ugly little dude who spat on my shoe as we were both walking into a drug
store. Nobody saw anything. He looked at me with this huge grin like "what
the hell ya gonna do about it?" It's hard to hold back the urge to beat the
holy snot out of someone when they desperately deserve it. People do ugly
things and being disabled does not make you an angel.

>> And Penny, you are not a shrink. Your criteria for your diagnosis does
>> not
>> fit the DSMV-IV for NPD. Real NPDs are as evil as people can be and I
>> don't
>> see that in her.
>
> I'm not diagnosing her, doc, just providing color commentary. And just
> because she doesn't fit the DSM criteria for "real narcissistic
> personality disorder" doesn't mean she's not narcissistic and
> self-focused. She surely is.

If that were a crime 80% of this group would be in a lot of trouble.

>> Assholes abound in this world and some of them are in wheelchairs.
>
> And some of them are observing other people in wheelchairs.

Then again it may be you with the prejudice.

Paul

Paul M. Cook wrote:

>I am aware of Julie's health issues from
> other groups. I suppose she'd rather
> speak for herself but I can say that her
> condition is very debilitating. With what
> she has walking is very painful and
> tiring.

Then perhaps it would have been a good idea for her to have mentioned in
here why she is legally disabled, so posters would be more
understanding, as obviously if she talks about her health issues in
other groups, she is not trying to keep it private. Maybe this would
give others a better idea why she might have reacted the way she did at
the store.

>Assholes abound in this world and some
> of them are in wheelchairs.

I have seen many people out shopping in wheelchairs, which included my
mother before she passed away, and also my one sister in law. I also
have had to use one at airports because of a painful problem, which
affected my legs. I have yet to see anyone acting like a asshole, but I
certainly have witnessed it in this group (no names mentioned) and
whenever I am at the store and see someone trying to reach an item on a
shelf, and they are having a hard time getting it down, I always offer
to reach it for them. I am courteous to anyone in a wheelchair, and they
have always been likewise.

Nevertheless, I thought this was an 'odd' topic for a cooking group, and
especially without a OT in front of it. Any group that I have ever
posted in, is expected to put a OT in the subject line, if is not a
discussion about the topic.

Judy

On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:36:09 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On 2/4/2012 2:23 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> Pennyaline wrote:
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No it doesn't. I do have several medical problems and those combined
>>>>> make
>>>>> me disabled. I'm just saying that is the nature of my disability. I
>>>>> can't
>>>>> walk very far or very fast.
>>>>
>>>> You can't walk very far due to what?
>>>
>>> A walking allergy?
>>
>> Now that didn't occur to me at all. Well played, Sheldon!
>
>I am aware of Julie's health issues from other groups. I suppose she'd
>rather speak for herself but I can say that her condition is very
>debilitating. With what she has walking is very painful and tiring.
>
>And Penny, you are not a shrink. Your criteria for your diagnosis does not
>fit the DSMV-IV for NPD. Real NPDs are as evil as people can be and I don't
>see that in her.
>
>Assholes abound in this world and some of them are in wheelchairs.
>
>Paul

Assholes are in ALL chairs! LOL

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:38:41 -0800, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> Uh, sqwerty? Aren't you the one who posted a hugely self congratulating
>> post about an adventure you had at a market where you ended up pilfering
>> a
>> roast from somebody's cart? Might have seemed pretty manly to you but
>> most
>> of us just saw you as a weenie.
>
> The approval rating for my actions was 62% in favor of what I did
> (according the people who expressed an opinion).

Is that supposed to impress me?

> I don't see anybody patting Julie on the back.

For what? She was scared. She didn't do anything.

> You're a waste of time, Paul.

I'm Dr. Who. All the time in the world.

Paul

On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:46:01 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:31:20 -0800, Christine Dabney
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:54:13 -0600, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >None of the carts I have seen or ridden (I used to ride them in from
>>> >the parking lot when I saw them) go backwards.
>>>
>>> All the ones I have ridden during my multiple recoveries from hip
>>> surgeries have gone backwards.
>>>
>> How long does it take to recover from hip surgery? I mean recovered
>> enough to go up and down flights of stairs.
>
>
>Took my mother about 6 weeks. Knee surgery took far longer.
>
>Paul

That would depend on whether she prefers missionary or doggie...
apparently your mom prefers doggie... probably how she damaged her
knees to begin with. I think statistics will bear out that many more
women than men undergo knee replacement, even accounting for faggots!
LOL

"Judy Haffner" > wrote in message
...
>
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>>I am aware of Julie's health issues from
>> other groups. I suppose she'd rather
>> speak for herself but I can say that her
>> condition is very debilitating. With what
>> she has walking is very painful and
>> tiring.
>
> Then perhaps it would have been a good idea for her to have mentioned in
> here why she is legally disabled, so posters would be more
> understanding, as obviously if she talks about her health issues in
> other groups, she is not trying to keep it private. Maybe this would
> give others a better idea why she might have reacted the way she did at
> the store.

If she says she is legally disabled, why isn't that enough? Those other
groups are support groups for people with her health issues. Why assume the
worst?

>>Assholes abound in this world and some
>> of them are in wheelchairs.
>
> I have seen many people out shopping in wheelchairs, which included my
> mother before she passed away, and also my one sister in law. I also
> have had to use one at airports because of a painful problem, which
> affected my legs. I have yet to see anyone acting like a asshole, but I
> certainly have witnessed it in this group (no names mentioned) and
> whenever I am at the store and see someone trying to reach an item on a
> shelf, and they are having a hard time getting it down, I always offer
> to reach it for them. I am courteous to anyone in a wheelchair, and they
> have always been likewise.
>
> Nevertheless, I thought this was an 'odd' topic for a cooking group, and
> especially without a OT in front of it. Any group that I have ever
> posted in, is expected to put a OT in the subject line, if is not a
> discussion about the topic.

Yeah well it was kind of an odd place to unload. This is the last place I'd
ever come to for any kind of emotional support.

Paul

but its food related because it was at the store, and julie has been more
than forthcoming about her various health issues, Lee
"Judy Haffner" > wrote in message
...
>
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>>I am aware of Julie's health issues from
>> other groups. I suppose she'd rather
>> speak for herself but I can say that her
>> condition is very debilitating. With what
>> she has walking is very painful and
>> tiring.
>
> Then perhaps it would have been a good idea for her to have mentioned in
> here why she is legally disabled, so posters would be more
> understanding, as obviously if she talks about her health issues in
> other groups, she is not trying to keep it private. Maybe this would
> give others a better idea why she might have reacted the way she did at
> the store.
>
>>Assholes abound in this world and some
>> of them are in wheelchairs.
>
> I have seen many people out shopping in wheelchairs, which included my
> mother before she passed away, and also my one sister in law. I also
> have had to use one at airports because of a painful problem, which
> affected my legs. I have yet to see anyone acting like a asshole, but I
> certainly have witnessed it in this group (no names mentioned) and
> whenever I am at the store and see someone trying to reach an item on a
> shelf, and they are having a hard time getting it down, I always offer
> to reach it for them. I am courteous to anyone in a wheelchair, and they
> have always been likewise.
>
> Nevertheless, I thought this was an 'odd' topic for a cooking group, and
> especially without a OT in front of it. Any group that I have ever
> posted in, is expected to put a OT in the subject line, if is not a
> discussion about the topic.
>
> Judy
>

On Feb 4, 6:00*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Judy Haffner" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> >>I am aware of Julie's health issues from
> >> other groups. I suppose she'd rather
> >> speak for herself but I can say that her
> >> condition is very debilitating. With what
> >> she has walking is very painful and
> >> tiring.
>
> > Then perhaps it would have been a good idea for her to have mentioned in
> > here why she is legally disabled, so posters would be more
> > understanding, as obviously if she talks about her health issues in
> > other groups, she is not trying to keep it private. Maybe this would
> > give others a better idea why she might have reacted the way she did at
> > the store.
>
> If she says she is legally disabled, why isn't that enough? *Those other
> groups are support groups for people with her health issues. *Why assume the
> worst?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>Assholes abound in this world and some
> >> of them are in wheelchairs.
>
> > I have seen many people out shopping in *wheelchairs, which included my
> > mother before she passed away, and also my one sister in law. I also
> > have had to use one at airports because of a painful problem, which
> > affected my legs. I have yet to see anyone acting like a asshole, but I
> > certainly have witnessed it in this group (no names mentioned) and
> > whenever I am at the store and see someone trying to reach an item on a
> > shelf, and they are having a hard time getting it down, I always offer
> > to reach it for them. I am courteous to anyone in a wheelchair, and they
> > have always been likewise.
>
> > Nevertheless, I thought this was an 'odd' topic for a cooking group, and
> > especially without a OT in front of it. Any group that I have ever
> > posted in, is expected to put a OT in the subject line, if is not a
> > discussion about the topic.
>
> Yeah well it was kind of an odd place to unload. *This is the last place I'd
> ever come to for any kind of emotional support.

Previously, Julie B. has pointed out many reasons why one should buy
groceries at Winco. My takeaway was that, while offering good quality
food at low prices, Winco attracts shoppers that will try to kill you.
It's a Darwinian store -- be prepared for the worst if you shop there.
And I would consider that on-topic for rfc.

Further, we have had to hear sqwertz bleat ad infinitum about his
experiences shopping at CostCo (sic), HEB, and Wal-Mart, so the Bovian
recounting of her experiences doesn't sound out of line.

On Feb 4, 5:58*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:46:01 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
> wrote:
>

>
> >"sf" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:31:20 -0800, Christine Dabney
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 14:54:13 -0600, Sqwertz >
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> >None of the carts I have seen or ridden (I used to ride them in from
> >>> >the parking lot when I saw them) go backwards.
>
> >>> All the ones I have ridden during my multiple recoveries from hip
> >>> surgeries have gone backwards.
>
> >> How long does it take to recover from hip surgery? *I mean recovered
> >> enough to go up and down flights of stairs.
>
> >Took my mother about 6 weeks. *Knee surgery took far longer.
>

> That would depend on whether she prefers missionary or doggie...
> apparently your mom prefers doggie... probably how she damaged her
> knees to begin with. *I think statistics will bear out that many more
> women than men undergo knee replacement, even accounting for faggots!
> LOL

I see far more women than men at twice their ideal body weight. All
that stress on the knee joint wears it out. One hefty honey I know is
on her second set of artificial knee joints.

Storrmmee wrote:

>but its food related because it was at the
> store, and julie has been more than
> forthcoming about her various health
> issues,

I guess I don't consider a trip to the grocery store a topic for a group
that deals with mainly cooking, or using specific foods. It was mainly
about people in wheelchairs being rude and reckless and whether one may
have knocked jars of pickles off the shelf? <shrug> I go to the grocery
store fairly often, but I just don't find anything particularly of
interest to anyone else, that I would post about it. Maybe if was
commenting on the price of something compared to elsewhere, etc.

I've been posting in this group since mid-Sept. and have never seen a
post where Julie talked about her health issues, unless you consider her
being allergic to almost everything, or doesn't like many things, but
perhaps I have just missed it? I'm not saying she hasn't, but it's just
that I'm not aware of it.

Judy

On 2/4/2012 6:13 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> Then again it may be you with the prejudice.


And she's channeling for me? Doubt it.

On 2/4/2012 5:57 PM, Storrmmee wrote:
> and julie, for what its worth, on the IL application for a disabled parking
> placcard the phrase something like "unable to walk xx feet in xx time " is a
> listed qualifyer, so its on at least one state's list and i think MO as
> well, Lee


http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/pu...s/dsd_x164.pdf


http://dor.mo.gov/forms/2769.pdf


It is the case for every state's application that I have seen: when
determining by ambulation ability alone, the applicant must be limited
by the distance he or she is able to walk without assistance/assistive
devices or having to stop to rest. Speed has never had anything to do
with it.

i find trips to the grocery most interesting, who is there when i go, what
is on sale, and if the store i am in has what i want, lol, i have just been
doing some lists for my work on samsclub.com and am findig a whole world of
stuff they carry that i never knew about... not sure when julie last
mentioned her health issues but its no matter, the main point here is for us
to discuss food... btw i never saw the cheese quickbread recipes you
discussed in a thread earlier, i saw your others maybe you didn't post
those? Lee
"Judy Haffner" > wrote in message
...
>
> Storrmmee wrote:
>
>>but its food related because it was at the
>> store, and julie has been more than
>> forthcoming about her various health
>> issues,
>
> I guess I don't consider a trip to the grocery store a topic for a group
> that deals with mainly cooking, or using specific foods. It was mainly
> about people in wheelchairs being rude and reckless and whether one may
> have knocked jars of pickles off the shelf? <shrug> I go to the grocery
> store fairly often, but I just don't find anything particularly of
> interest to anyone else, that I would post about it. Maybe if was
> commenting on the price of something compared to elsewhere, etc.
>
> I've been posting in this group since mid-Sept. and have never seen a
> post where Julie talked about her health issues, unless you consider her
> being allergic to almost everything, or doesn't like many things, but
> perhaps I have just missed it? I'm not saying she hasn't, but it's just
> that I'm not aware of it.
>
> Judy
>

On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:46:01 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:



>> How long does it take to recover from hip surgery? I mean recovered
>> enough to go up and down flights of stairs.
>
>
>Took my mother about 6 weeks. Knee surgery took far longer.
>
>Paul

I'm told thee is a new hip replacement procedure now and times are
greatly reduced, incision much smaller. . Shorter surgery time, same
day walking, near full recovery in just a couple of weeks.

I know someone that had it done at Mayo Clinic, but I don't know if it
is done elsewhere yet.

On 02/04/2012 09:22 AM, Pennyaline wrote:

> It COULD be that many disabilities are what's termed "invisible," still
> not requiring the accoutrement of adaptive equipment, but, like heart
> and respiratory illnesses, arthritis or lupus, impacting activity
> tolerance and ambulation while still not obvious to the beholder.
>
> The disabled have enough to think about without having to deal with the
> snickers and criticisms of people like you and your daughter. The ADA
> made a lot of progress, but it still can't force its way through the
> thick skulls of onlookers who think that the disabled have to prove
> their conditions at every turn.

Thank you!

Serene
--
http://www.momfoodproject.com

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/4/2012 1:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> No it doesn't. I do have several medical problems and those combined
>> make
>> me disabled. I'm just saying that is the nature of my disability. I
>> can't
>> walk very far or very fast.
>
>
> You can't walk very far due to what? It doesn't just happen because
> "patient is unable to walk very far or very fast." There has to be more to
> it. You may well have multiple medical issues, but it only takes one to
> qualify to be disabled enough to a parking placard or use of a motorized
> cart.
>
>
>
>> I am not psychologically disabled. And I don't think you are a
>> pyschologist.
>
>
> I've read your posts here. You are supremely self-focused. That has
> disabled you in many ways.
>
>
>
>
>> No. She was already backing up. Then she turned around, looked right at
>> me
>> and headed towards me.
>
>
> Okay, so she was already backing up. Then she turned around. And then, you
> swear she was looking right at you and heading straight toward you. And
> yet it is still possible that she didn't see you, or wasn't really looking
> at you. Or, perhaps more to the point, she wasn't that close to you. Do
> you want one of the motorized carts? Ask the front-end manager or at
> customer service. They won't question an invisible impairment.
>
>
>
>
>> Then one of the people shopping with him should have been helping him.
>> There were three people with him.
>
> Did you offer? Or is it somebody else's problem? Or did you and your
> daughter feel that commentary would be more helpful?
>
>
>
>>> It COULD be that what you've adjudged to be simply "morbidly obese"
>>> postdates the condition that necessitates the use of the motorized
>>> carts.
>>
>> Whatever.
>
> Your dismissal of that speaks volumns.
>
>
>
>
>>> It COULD be that many disabilities are what's termed "invisible," still
>>> not requiring the accoutrement of adaptive equipment, but, like heart
>>> and
>>> respiratory illnesses, arthritis or lupus, impacting activity tolerance
>>> and ambulation while still not obvious to the beholder.
>>
>> Oh indeed! And yet you say I am not disabled.
>
> I am not saying that you might not have an invisible disability. I'm
> saying that you stated only that you can't walk very fast. That is not a
> criteria for disability. Are we to divine your disability from that alone?

I have been asked not to go on about my medical problems here. I have said
what they are in the past and they are many.
>
>
>
>>> The disabled have enough to think about without having to deal with the
>>> snickers and criticisms of people like you and your daughter. The ADA
>>> made
>>> a lot of progress, but it still can't force its way through the thick
>>> skulls of onlookers who think that the disabled have to prove their
>>> conditions at every turn.
>>
>> Indeed again! And I am legally disabled.
>
>
> The disabled get no snickers and criticisms from me. Those criticizing and
> snickering at the disabled do, though, and that is something you were
> doing in abundance. I guess it makes it worse that you are claiming legal
> disability, too. Or were you only making fun of "those types" (the
> morbidly obese) who use the motorized carts, or the others who (in higher
> than normal rates in that store, anyway) use them while not appearing to
> be disabled in the least?

I am? So you think a disabled person has the right to back one of those
carts straight into someone? I don't think so.

My daughter was in a back brace for the entire summer and had to ride on
those carts. I know for a fact that the ones at Target don't stop on a dime
and she hit me with one twice, once knocking me to the floor. I also know
that wasn't ion purpose. She is also only 13 and doesn't know how to drive.

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/4/2012 5:36 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>> I am aware of Julie's health issues from other groups. I suppose she'd
>> rather speak for herself but I can say that her condition is very
>> debilitating. With what she has walking is very painful and tiring.
>
> It makes her inclined to judge others as not disabled as well, or is it
> something else that moves her to do that?
>
>>
>> And Penny, you are not a shrink. Your criteria for your diagnosis does
>> not
>> fit the DSMV-IV for NPD. Real NPDs are as evil as people can be and I
>> don't
>> see that in her.
>
> I'm not diagnosing her, doc, just providing color commentary. And just
> because she doesn't fit the DSM criteria for "real narcissistic
> personality disorder" doesn't mean she's not narcissistic and
> self-focused. She surely is.
>
I happen to know a person (not saying who) has actually been diagnosed as a
narcissist among other things. It's not a fun thing to have to deal with.
And you are poking fun at it.
>
>
>> Assholes abound in this world and some of them are in wheelchairs.
>
> And some of them are observing other people in wheelchairs.

And some of them just like to make smart assed comments.

"Judy Haffner" > wrote in message
...
>
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>>I am aware of Julie's health issues from
>> other groups. I suppose she'd rather
>> speak for herself but I can say that her
>> condition is very debilitating. With what
>> she has walking is very painful and
>> tiring.
>
> Then perhaps it would have been a good idea for her to have mentioned in
> here why she is legally disabled, so posters would be more
> understanding, as obviously if she talks about her health issues in
> other groups, she is not trying to keep it private. Maybe this would
> give others a better idea why she might have reacted the way she did at
> the store.

I have in the past and I got nothing but flack about it. People here have
told me they don't want to hear about my medical conditions. So I am not
going to bring it up again. If you or anyone else here chooses not to
believe me then I don't really care. I will just say that when people who
do not know me see me walking, they will ask what is wrong with my leg.
They just sort of assume I have gotten an injury. Nope. None of it is
related to an injury and it isn't going to go away. But I guess it is
somehow more acceptable for people to just think it is an injury. Because
there are a lot of people out there who look down on the disabled.
>
>>Assholes abound in this world and some
>> of them are in wheelchairs.
>
> I have seen many people out shopping in wheelchairs, which included my
> mother before she passed away, and also my one sister in law. I also
> have had to use one at airports because of a painful problem, which
> affected my legs. I have yet to see anyone acting like a asshole, but I
> certainly have witnessed it in this group (no names mentioned) and
> whenever I am at the store and see someone trying to reach an item on a
> shelf, and they are having a hard time getting it down, I always offer
> to reach it for them. I am courteous to anyone in a wheelchair, and they
> have always been likewise.

This guy was with THREE other people! I don't think they needed our help.
>
> Nevertheless, I thought this was an 'odd' topic for a cooking group, and
> especially without a OT in front of it. Any group that I have ever
> posted in, is expected to put a OT in the subject line, if is not a
> discussion about the topic.

Well Steve Wertz can post about his bad shopping trip to Walmart. Why can't
I post about mine?

"Storrmmee" > wrote in message
...
> but its food related because it was at the store, and julie has been more
> than forthcoming about her various health issues, Lee

I did it because sw just posted about his shopping trip to Walmart.