A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. When you buy
cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. I'm assuming they
sell them to pet food manufacturers. I have never been able to find a
source for the tips--until today. The meat manager at Sappington
Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. I can't
imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
tips. Leaves pork rinds in the dust.

You could snack on them for an hour or more w/o consuming very many
calories.

--Bryan

On Feb 9, 2:00*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. *When you buy
> cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. *I'm assuming they
> sell them to pet food manufacturers. *I have never been able to find a
> source for the tips--until today. *The meat manager at Sappington
> Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
> to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. *I can't
> imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
> tips. *Leaves pork rinds in the dust.
>
> You could snack on them for an hour or more w/o consuming very many
> calories.
>
> --Bryan

Very similar anatomically to chicken feet, I'd imagine.

John Kuthe...

On Feb 9, 3:05*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2:00*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. *When you buy
> > cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. *I'm assuming they
> > sell them to pet food manufacturers. *I have never been able to find a
> > source for the tips--until today. *The meat manager at Sappington
> > Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
> > to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. *I can't
> > imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
> > tips. *Leaves pork rinds in the dust.
>
> > You could snack on them for an hour or more w/o consuming very many
> > calories.
>
> > --Bryan
>
> Very similar anatomically to chicken feet, I'd imagine.

Not really. The feet have rather tough, more leathery skin.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:00:18 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote:

>A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. When you buy
>cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. I'm assuming they
>sell them to pet food manufacturers. I have never been able to find a
>source for the tips.

Hmm, you've been buying kosher wings.

Bryan wrote:
>
> A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. When you buy
> cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. I'm assuming they
> sell them to pet food manufacturers. I have never been able to find a
> source for the tips--until today. The meat manager at Sappington
> Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
> to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. I can't
> imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
> tips. Leaves pork rinds in the dust.

If you don't mind chewing thoroughly - I crunch through the bones of the
tips and eat them whole. Likely to be good for me for the bone and
cartilege and such but I do it because they taste good and I like
crunchy foods at times.

On Feb 9, 3:33*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
>
> > A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. *When you buy
> > cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. *I'm assuming they
> > sell them to pet food manufacturers. *I have never been able to find a
> > source for the tips--until today. *The meat manager at Sappington
> > Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
> > to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. *I can't
> > imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
> > tips. *Leaves pork rinds in the dust.
>
> If you don't mind chewing thoroughly - I crunch through the bones of the
> tips and eat them whole. *Likely to be good for me for the bone and
> cartilege and such but I do it because they taste good and I like
> crunchy foods at times.

I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.

--Bryan

On Feb 9, 3:15*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> On Feb 9, 3:05*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 2:00*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > > A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. *When you buy
> > > cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. *I'm assuming they
> > > sell them to pet food manufacturers. *I have never been able to find a
> > > source for the tips--until today. *The meat manager at Sappington
> > > Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
> > > to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. *I can't
> > > imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
> > > tips. *Leaves pork rinds in the dust.
>
> > > You could snack on them for an hour or more w/o consuming very many
> > > calories.
>
> > > --Bryan
>
> > Very similar anatomically to chicken feet, I'd imagine.
>
> Not really. *The feet have rather tough, more leathery skin.
>

I said anatomically. Do NOT make me look up the bone/muscle/tendon/
ligament diagrams of chicken wing tips and feet to demonstrate that am
substantially correct! ;-)

John Kuthe...

Bwrrryan wrote:
>
>I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
>takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.

Kind of inept for a fellatio maven, eh Bwrrryan?

On Feb 9, 3:24*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:00:18 -0800 (PST), Bryan
>
> > wrote:
> >A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. *When you buy
> >cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. *I'm assuming they
> >sell them to pet food manufacturers. *I have never been able to find a
> >source for the tips.
>
> Hmm, you've been buying kosher wings.

No. I don't buy chicken wings at all because they are pricey, and I
don't like the drummie section. When they sell them already
disarticulated, they never include the tips. They assume folks would
just toss them, as most would. Every butcher shop I contacted said
they come in already cut up. The farmers' market I'm hopefully buying
the tips from deals with local producers. I'm sure that those
producers get very little if anything for their wing tips. I'd like
to change that.

--Bryan

On Feb 9, 4:29*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> Bwrrryan wrote:
>
> >I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
> >takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.
>
> Kind of inept for a fellatio maven, eh Bwrrryan?

Well Sheldon, when all you have is a "tiny bit", I guess you don't
have to worry then, now do you? ;-)

John Kuthe...

On 2/9/2012 2:00 PM, Bryan wrote:
> A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. When you buy
> cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. I'm assuming they
> sell them to pet food manufacturers. I have never been able to find a
> source for the tips--until today. The meat manager at Sappington
> Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
> to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. I can't
> imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
> tips. Leaves pork rinds in the dust.
>
> You could snack on them for an hour or more w/o consuming very many
> calories.
>
> --Bryan

We love chicken wings. I put them in a mixture of soy sauce (low
sodium), granulated garlic and five spice powder then broil them.

When I buy them, I separate the wings at the joint and package the wing
tips separately. The wing tips are incredible additions to chicken
broth or stock. They have a lot of gelatine in them and add a wonderful
richness to the stock or broth.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Feb 9, 5:29*pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:

> I separate the wings at the joint and package the wing
> tips separately. *The wing tips are incredible additions to chicken
> broth or stock. They have a lot of gelatine in them and add a wonderful
> richness to the stock or broth.

I want the tips by themselves, deep fried crispy.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder

--Bryan

On 2/9/2012 1:29 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> We love chicken wings. I put them in a mixture of soy sauce (low
> sodium), granulated garlic and five spice powder then broil them.
>
> When I buy them, I separate the wings at the joint and package the wing
> tips separately. The wing tips are incredible additions to chicken broth
> or stock. They have a lot of gelatine in them and add a wonderful
> richness to the stock or broth.
>

When I was a kid, people didn't eat chicken wings like we do today
because it was a pretty undesirable part of the chicken. To make the
wings edible, my aunties and grandma would take a little drum and scrap
the skin and meat down the to the fat end of the piece with a knife. You
would essentially turn the meat and skin inside out and form a ball on
the end of a bone. They would also do this on the middle section too,
except that they'd take off one of the two bones. The pieces would look
pretty much the same except those would have a skinnier bone. This was
then marinated in teriyaki sauce and grilled on a hibachi.

For some reason, nobody does this anymore in Hawaii. At least I've never
seen it since the 80s. Too bad, cause a wing done this way marinates
beautifully and grilling the wings is a lot faster. I probably should
teach my kids how to do it before I croak.

On Feb 9, 2:00*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. *When you buy
> cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. *I'm assuming they
> sell them to pet food manufacturers. *I have never been able to find a
> source for the tips--until today. *The meat manager at Sappington
> Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
> to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. *I can't
> imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
> tips. *Leaves pork rinds in the dust.
>
> You could snack on them for an hour or more w/o consuming very many
> calories.

True White Trash food. Why don't you just boil up some chicken feet
and chitlins?

On Feb 9, 6:16*pm, projectile vomit chick
> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2:00*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. *When you buy
> > cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. *I'm assuming they
> > sell them to pet food manufacturers. *I have never been able to find a
> > source for the tips--until today. *The meat manager at Sappington
> > Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
> > to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. *I can't
> > imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
> > tips. *Leaves pork rinds in the dust.
>
> > You could snack on them for an hour or more w/o consuming very many
> > calories.
>
> True White Trash food. *Why don't you just boil up some chicken feet
> and chitlins?

Up there with Weenie Water Gravy! And margarine sandwiches on Wonder
Bread!

John Kuthe...

On Feb 9, 5:53*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Feb 9, 4:29*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
> > Bwrrryan wrote:
>
> > >I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
> > >takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.
>
> > Kind of inept for a fellatio maven, eh Bwrrryan?
>
> Well Sheldon, when all you have is a "tiny bit", I guess you don't
> have to worry then, now do you? ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...

Could you guys not foul every thread here? The homoerotic tension is
palpable. And I'm not including shelson in that. He's just reacting to
the vibe you two give off. Once again: "CREEPY".

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:16:21 -0800 (PST), projectile vomit chick
> wrote:

>On Feb 9, 2:00*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>> A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. *When you buy
>> cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. *I'm assuming they
>> sell them to pet food manufacturers. *I have never been able to find a
>> source for the tips--until today. *The meat manager at Sappington
>> Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
>> to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. *I can't
>> imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
>> tips. *Leaves pork rinds in the dust.
>>
>> You could snack on them for an hour or more w/o consuming very many
>> calories.
>
>True White Trash food. Why don't you just boil up some chicken feet
>and chitlins?

During WWll the tender white meat from poached wings from making
chicken soup was reserved as baby food. I figure Bwrrrryan was the
queer duck of the family, he'd be more into slurping the gristly meat
off chicken necks and sucking the pope's nose. <heehee>

On Feb 9, 7:17*pm, BillyZoom > wrote:
> On Feb 9, 5:53*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
> > On Feb 9, 4:29*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
> > > Bwrrryan wrote:
>
> > > >I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
> > > >takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.
>
> > > Kind of inept for a fellatio maven, eh Bwrrryan?
>
> > Well Sheldon, when all you have is a "tiny bit", I guess you don't
> > have to worry then, now do you? ;-)
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> Could you guys not foul every thread here? The homoerotic tension is
> palpable. And I'm not including shelson in that. He's just reacting to
> the vibe you two give off. Once again: "CREEPY".

Awwww, Billy! Did I trip your homoerotic phobia gene??!!

Now just bend over like a good little slave, and HER COMES MY BULLET!!

;-)

John Kuthe...

On Feb 9, 6:23*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Feb 9, 6:16*pm, projectile vomit chick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 2:00*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > > A chicken wing has 3 sections, drummie, paddle and tip. *When you buy
> > > cut up chicken wings, the tips are always missing. *I'm assuming they
> > > sell them to pet food manufacturers. *I have never been able to find a
> > > source for the tips--until today. *The meat manager at Sappington
> > > Farmers Market said he was sure that he could get them, and asked me
> > > to call him tomorrow, after he has talked to his supplier. *I can't
> > > imagine a carb-free snack that I'd enjoy more than crispy-fried wing
> > > tips. *Leaves pork rinds in the dust.
>
> > > You could snack on them for an hour or more w/o consuming very many
> > > calories.
>
> > True White Trash food. *Why don't you just boil up some chicken feet
> > and chitlins?

Chicken feet are very tough, and they taste very different than wing
tips. I know. I've tried them.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1552229...7619119239617/
Chitlins are nothing like wing tips.
>
> Up there with Weenie Water Gravy! And margarine sandwiches on Wonder
> Bread!

Not at all. More like chicharones, except it takes a long time to eat
if you're not eating the bones, similar to in the shell sunflower
seeds. Weenie water gravy and Wonder bread are full of carbs, and
margarine tastes bad, plus is typically full of elaidic acid. Most of
the non-hydrogenated margarines are made with palm oil, which is far
less bad, but pretty much the worst non-hydrogenated fat. Vegetable
shortening--and margarine is merely flavored vegetable shortening--
could be made with palm *kernel* oil, or coconut oil, but those are
far more expensive than palm *fruit* oil.
I predict that in my lifetime we will see designer triglycerides, with
the fatty acids derived from GMO oil seeds. They've already developed
high oleic sunflowers for making oil. I would like to seed high oleic
sunflower seeds sold as salted and roasted in-shell. I realize that
the folks whom I am directly responding to are probably happier
staying ignorant, but you're not the only ones reading this.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Feb 9, 8:22*pm, Bryan > wrote:
....

> I realize that
> the folks whom I am directly responding to are probably happier
> staying ignorant, but you're not the only ones reading this.

I'm going to eat some peanut butter on Schnucks generic Ritz type
crackers and some strawberries now. How fast will this clog my
coronary arteries?

John Kuthe...

On Feb 9, 8:54*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Feb 9, 8:22*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> ...
>
> > I realize that
> > the folks whom I am directly responding to are probably happier
> > staying ignorant, but you're not the only ones reading this.
>
> I'm going to eat some peanut butter on Schnucks generic Ritz type
> crackers and some strawberries now. How fast will this clog my
> coronary arteries?
>
> John Kuthe...

After drinking 1/2 a bottle of Cabernet and watching some guys and
gals on PBS slice open and dissect a Burmese Python!

John Kuthe...

On Feb 9, 9:42*pm, Bryan > wrote:
....
>
> I'd avoid milled flax. *I just acquired a large amount of lauric
> acid. *Taken with your evening meal, it can delay stomach emptying,
> perhaps delaying that hunger until after you are safely asleep.
....

Amazing Bryan! Amazing that you think by taking one "majic pill" it's
going to alter your physiology so beneficially to you!

Surely you are not that stupid.

John Kuthe...

Bryan wrote:
> Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
>> If you don't mind chewing thoroughly - I crunch through the bones of the
>> tips and eat them whole. *Likely to be good for me for the bone and
>> cartilege and such but I do it because they taste good and I like
>> crunchy foods at times.
>
> I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
> takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.

That is another fun thing to do. Try to separate out the little bones
and eat the rest. Messy and fun.

On Feb 10, 11:32*am, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
> >> If you don't mind chewing thoroughly - I crunch through the bones of the
> >> tips and eat them whole. *Likely to be good for me for the bone and
> >> cartilege and such but I do it because they taste good and I like
> >> crunchy foods at times.
>
> > I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
> > takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.
>
> That is another fun thing to do. *Try to separate out the little bones
> and eat the rest. *Messy and fun.

I found out today that I can buy 23.8 pound boxes of organic wing tips
for $1.07/#, so a little less that $26 for a box. My nephew will
split it with me, so basically about 12 pounds for about $27 with
tax. I plan to toss them with white pepper powder and a little salt,
and let them sit in the fridge for the pepper oil to infuse into them,
then deep fry them in peanut oil. I'm buying them through Sappington
Farmers' Market, which is involved--along with St. Louis University--
in a program with our school district to provide healthful meals using
locally sourced foods.
http://www.slu.edu/x48953.xml
The only sucky thing is that I have to wait 4 weeks. I'm only
speculating, but I bet that the case size is standard, and that the
wing tips are typically sold to pet food makers and/or companies that
use them to make soup or whatever. I feel like I finally lucked out,
as well as persisted out.

--Bryan

On Feb 10, 8:26*pm, Bryan > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 11:32*am, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
> > Bryan wrote:
> > > Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
> > >> If you don't mind chewing thoroughly - I crunch through the bones of the
> > >> tips and eat them whole. *Likely to be good for me for the bone and
> > >> cartilege and such but I do it because they taste good and I like
> > >> crunchy foods at times.
>
> > > I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
> > > takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.
>
> > That is another fun thing to do. *Try to separate out the little bones
> > and eat the rest. *Messy and fun.
>
> I found out today that I can buy 23.8 pound boxes of organic wing tips
> for $1.07/#, so a little less that $26 for a box. *My nephew will
> split it with me, so basically about 12 pounds for about $27 with
> tax. *I plan to toss them with white pepper powder and a little salt,
> and let them sit in the fridge for the pepper oil to infuse into them,
> then deep fry them in peanut oil. *I'm buying them through Sappington
> Farmers' Market, which is involved--along with St. Louis University--
> in a program with our school district to provide healthful meals using
> locally sourced foods.http://www.slu.edu/x48953.xml
> The only sucky thing is that I have to wait 4 weeks. *I'm only
> speculating, but I bet that the case size is standard, and that the
> wing tips are typically sold to pet food makers and/or companies that
> use them to make soup or whatever. *I feel like I finally lucked out,
> as well as persisted out.
>
> --Bryan

How many hours of your day to you obsess on your strange dietary
fixations, Bryan? Have you ever considered this? I'll bet WAY more
than is reasonable.

I know you never will, but you should really see a psychiatrist. You
have become no fun at all in person and this obsession thing is
seemingly spiraling out of control.

John Kuthe...

On Feb 10, 11:27*am, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 18:55:23 -0800 (PST), Bryan wrote:
> > Those are pretty, but the meat inside is very similar to breast meat.
> > The paddles are nice anyway. *The meat is tender, and the subcutaneous
> > fat is well distributed. *Problem for me is, the meat is too
> > accessible, more like shelled nuts than in the shell ones. *I
> > prioritize maximum eating pleasure--for which duration plays a role--
> > with minimum carbs and calories.
>
> If that's your criteria, then seek out some duck wings at a Asian
> grocer. *They much more anemic and harder to eat then chicken wings.
> Tastier, too.

I do buy duck wings at the local Asian market, and I also like their
taste more than chicken, but they were also unable to sell me only
tips. Duck wing tips are sublime. I'm not a fan of the drummie
portion of poultry wings, though duck drummies are far preferable to
those of chickens or turkeys.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

On Feb 10, 8:38*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 8:26*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 11:32*am, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
> > > Bryan wrote:
> > > > Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
> > > >> If you don't mind chewing thoroughly - I crunch through the bones of the
> > > >> tips and eat them whole. *Likely to be good for me for the bone and
> > > >> cartilege and such but I do it because they taste good and I like
> > > >> crunchy foods at times.
>
> > > > I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
> > > > takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.
>
> > > That is another fun thing to do. *Try to separate out the little bones
> > > and eat the rest. *Messy and fun.
>
> > I found out today that I can buy 23.8 pound boxes of organic wing tips
> > for $1.07/#, so a little less that $26 for a box. *My nephew will
> > split it with me, so basically about 12 pounds for about $27 with
> > tax. *I plan to toss them with white pepper powder and a little salt,
> > and let them sit in the fridge for the pepper oil to infuse into them,
> > then deep fry them in peanut oil. *I'm buying them through Sappington
> > Farmers' Market, which is involved--along with St. Louis University--
> > in a program with our school district to provide healthful meals using
> > locally sourced foods.http://www.slu.edu/x48953.xml
> > The only sucky thing is that I have to wait 4 weeks. *I'm only
> > speculating, but I bet that the case size is standard, and that the
> > wing tips are typically sold to pet food makers and/or companies that
> > use them to make soup or whatever. *I feel like I finally lucked out,
> > as well as persisted out.
>
> > --Bryan
>
> How many hours of your day to you obsess on your strange dietary
> fixations, Bryan? Have you ever considered this? I'll bet WAY more
> than is reasonable.
>
> I know you never will, but you should really see a psychiatrist. You
> have become no fun at all in person and this obsession thing is
> seemingly spiraling out of control.

Maybe more, or maybe less hours than you spend looking for or
contemplating gainful employment. My "strange dietary" habits are
working, and you, in spite of your education, are not. The only thing
"spiraling out of control" is your finances. I'm trending toward
lowered body fat and a better HDL/LDL ratio, whereas you're trending
toward sleeping under an overpass, all the while drinking overpriced
coffee, and spending time on an internet connection that you soon
won't be able to pay for. "You should really see a psychiatrist."
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On 2/11/2012 12:29 AM, Bryan wrote:
> On Feb 10, 8:38 pm, John > wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 8:26 pm, > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 10, 11:32 am, Doug > wrote:
>>
>>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>>> Doug > wrote:
>>
>>>>>> If you don't mind chewing thoroughly - I crunch through the bones of the
>>>>>> tips and eat them whole. Likely to be good for me for the bone and
>>>>>> cartilege and such but I do it because they taste good and I like
>>>>>> crunchy foods at times.
>>
>>>>> I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
>>>>> takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.
>>
>>>> That is another fun thing to do. Try to separate out the little bones
>>>> and eat the rest. Messy and fun.
>>
>>> I found out today that I can buy 23.8 pound boxes of organic wing tips
>>> for $1.07/#, so a little less that $26 for a box. My nephew will
>>> split it with me, so basically about 12 pounds for about $27 with
>>> tax. I plan to toss them with white pepper powder and a little salt,
>>> and let them sit in the fridge for the pepper oil to infuse into them,
>>> then deep fry them in peanut oil. I'm buying them through Sappington
>>> Farmers' Market, which is involved--along with St. Louis University--
>>> in a program with our school district to provide healthful meals using
>>> locally sourced foods.http://www.slu.edu/x48953.xml
>>> The only sucky thing is that I have to wait 4 weeks. I'm only
>>> speculating, but I bet that the case size is standard, and that the
>>> wing tips are typically sold to pet food makers and/or companies that
>>> use them to make soup or whatever. I feel like I finally lucked out,
>>> as well as persisted out.
>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>> How many hours of your day to you obsess on your strange dietary
>> fixations, Bryan? Have you ever considered this? I'll bet WAY more
>> than is reasonable.
>>
>> I know you never will, but you should really see a psychiatrist. You
>> have become no fun at all in person and this obsession thing is
>> seemingly spiraling out of control.
>
> Maybe more, or maybe less hours than you spend looking for or
> contemplating gainful employment. My "strange dietary" habits are
> working, and you, in spite of your education, are not. The only thing
> "spiraling out of control" is your finances. I'm trending toward
> lowered body fat and a better HDL/LDL ratio, whereas you're trending
> toward sleeping under an overpass, all the while drinking overpriced
> coffee, and spending time on an internet connection that you soon
> won't be able to pay for. "You should really see a psychiatrist."
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> --Bryan

burn..............

On 2/9/2012 6:29 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> We love chicken wings. I put them in a mixture of soy sauce (low
> sodium), granulated garlic and five spice powder then broil them.
>
> When I buy them, I separate the wings at the joint and package the wing
> tips separately. The wing tips are incredible additions to chicken
> broth or stock. They have a lot of gelatine in them and add a wonderful
> richness to the stock or broth.

I learned today to look for "brewed" low sodium soy sauce.

Steve wrote:

> I'm confused. Are you two vying for supporters here? Usually when two
> people argue on Usenet the rest of us are supposed to choose sides, or
> something of that sort. Isn't this how it's supposed to work?
>
> But I don't see anybody expressing an favorable opinion either way.
> This is even harder than voting for a president. Usually you have
> your choice of two evils and you try and choose the lesser evil. But
> with you two it's like choosing between Satan or Satan.
>
> In all my years of Usenet, this is a new one - everybody hates the two
> antagonists equally and nobody supports either candidate. This is
> like - what do they call it - "Emotional Rock Bottom" for you two?

I wonder if the little soap opera is being staged for our "entertainment."

Bob

On Feb 11, 1:25*am, Bob Terwilliger >
wrote:
> Steve wrote:
> > I'm confused. *Are you two vying for supporters here? Usually when two
> > people argue on Usenet the rest of us are supposed to choose sides, or
> > something of that sort. *Isn't this how it's supposed to work?
>
> > But I don't see anybody expressing an favorable opinion either way.
> > This is even harder than voting for a president. *Usually you have
> > your choice of two evils and you try and choose the lesser evil. *But
> > with you two it's like choosing between Satan or Satan.
>
> > In all my years of Usenet, this is a new one - everybody hates the two
> > antagonists equally and nobody supports either candidate. *This is
> > like - what do they call it - "Emotional Rock Bottom" for you two?

Only one of us is near "Rock Bottom." Partly as a result of my "
strange dietary fixations," I'm down 25 pounds since late October.
>
> I wonder if the little soap opera is being staged for our "entertainment."

I'm responding the same way I respond to anyone who gives me crap on
Usenet. I shovel it right back--on Usenet. I'm treating John no
better and no worse than I would any *other* pathetic asshole who has
insulted me on a newsgroup.
>
> Bob

--Bryan

On Feb 11, 7:44*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:25*am, Bob Terwilliger >
> wrote:
>
> > Steve wrote:
> > > I'm confused. *Are you two vying for supporters here? Usually when two
> > > people argue on Usenet the rest of us are supposed to choose sides, or
> > > something of that sort. *Isn't this how it's supposed to work?
>
> > > But I don't see anybody expressing an favorable opinion either way.
> > > This is even harder than voting for a president. *Usually you have
> > > your choice of two evils and you try and choose the lesser evil. *But
> > > with you two it's like choosing between Satan or Satan.
>
> > > In all my years of Usenet, this is a new one - everybody hates the two
> > > antagonists equally and nobody supports either candidate. *This is
> > > like - what do they call it - "Emotional Rock Bottom" for you two?
>
> Only one of us is near "Rock Bottom." *Partly as a result of my "
> strange dietary fixations," I'm down 25 pounds since late October.
....

So if you're down 25 lbs (and congratulations on that!!) why are you
still on this low carbing crusade? Wanting to lose even more? I
thought low carb dieting was a way to burn existing excess fat, and
then you'd go to a more normal maintenance eating pattern? Notice I
didn't say "diet" because I know that to maintain a non-overweight
status mandates changing one's eating pattern/lifestyle. That's the
only thing that's ever worked to maintain someone at non-overweight
status.

I've just recently (one or two days ago) began my own "bail the belly"
campaign, but I'm gonna do it via reduction of my normal diet and
daily or close to daily exercise. Too cold to bicycle as I'd prefer,
but I unearthed the NordicTrack, and did 15 and 10 mins yesterday
afternoon! Whew, am I out of shape! (Bicycling the day before made me
know that too. But that's changing now!)

John Kuthe...

On Feb 10, 10:28*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:26:41 -0800 (PST), Bryan wrote:
> > I found out today that I can buy 23.8 pound boxes of organic wing tips
> > for $1.07/#, so a little less that $26 for a box.
>
> Well, that makes sense. *10.8 kilograms. *<?>
>
> > My nephew will split it with me, so basically about 12
> > pounds for about $27 with tax.
>
> Remind me never to move to St Louis, home of the 100% sales tax..
> There shouldn't even be any tax on those in the first place. *Maybe
> they consider it "junk food" <shrug>

Food is exempt from *state* sales tax, but local can be about 3%-3.5%.
>
> > I'm only
> > speculating, but I bet that the case size is standard, and that the
> > wing tips are typically sold to pet food makers and/or companies that
> > use them to make soup or whatever.
>
> What you can accurately speculate on is that they sure as hell ain't
> paying anything near $1.07/lb.

I don't care if they're only paying 10 cents a pound.
>
> > *I feel like I finally lucked out, as well as persisted out.
>
> I can't describe how you feel but I wouldn't exactly call it "luck".

I do. I've been looking for those for ages. I'll happily pay $1.07/
lb. Right now I have chicken drumsticks frying. It would probably
take me three hours to eat as much with the wing tips as I would in
five or ten minutes with the legs. That might not appeal to most
folks, but it does to me.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

Sqwertz > wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:16:38 -0800 (PST), Bryan wrote:

>> Steve, I think that calling fiber, "carbs," is confusing.

>For you, maybe. not to me. I tend to call things what they are.

Fiber is included in the "total carbohydrate" value on
any U.S. nutrition label. The sub-amounts of fiber and sugar,
if significant, are listed separately. (I think "significant"
means more than 0.5 grams per serving, such at least 1 gram
would be listed.)

So a breakfast cereal might say "Total carbohydrate 30 grams,
dietary fiber 2 grams, sugars 5 grams". This means there
are 28 grams of carb calories, and that by subtraction there
are 23 grams of starch.

Steve

On Feb 11, 10:28*am, (Steve Pope) wrote:
> Sqwertz > wrote:
> >On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:16:38 -0800 (PST), Bryan wrote:
> >> Steve, I think that calling fiber, "carbs," is confusing.
> >For you, maybe. *not to me. *I tend to call things what they are.
>
> Fiber is included in the "total carbohydrate" value on
> any U.S. *nutrition label. *The sub-amounts of fiber and sugar,
> if significant, are listed separately. *(I think "significant"
> means more than 0.5 grams per serving, such at least 1 gram
> would be listed.)

The Nutrition Facts boxes are really idiotic. Including non-nutritive
fiber in with carbs, then having to subtract fiber to get the caloric
carbs is knuckleheaded. So is listing the "trans fat" in animal
products as if it's the same thing as the bad trans fat from partial
hydrogenation. The simplistic categories of saturated and
polyunsaturated are worse than useless because they promote ignorance
w/o giving any useful information. Most folks who were to compare the
Nutrition Facts between palm oil and palm kernel oil would conclude
that palm kernel oil is significantly more unhealthful that palm oil,
when exactly the opposite is true.
>
> So a breakfast cereal might say "Total carbohydrate 30 grams,
> dietary fiber 2 grams, sugars 5 grams". *This means there
> are 28 grams of carb calories, and that by subtraction there
> are 23 grams of starch.

Thatsa lotta starch.
>
> Steve

--Bryan

Bryan > wrote:

>On Feb 11, 10:28*am, (Steve Pope) wrote:

>> Fiber is included in the "total carbohydrate" value on
>> any U.S. *nutrition label. *The sub-amounts of fiber and sugar,
>> if significant, are listed separately. *(I think "significant"
>> means more than 0.5 grams per serving, such at least 1 gram
>> would be listed.)

>The Nutrition Facts boxes are really idiotic. Including non-nutritive
>fiber in with carbs, then having to subtract fiber to get the caloric
>carbs is knuckleheaded.

Except for the fact that....fibers are carbs.


Steve

On Feb 11, 11:50*am, (Steve Pope) wrote:
> Bryan > wrote:
> >On Feb 11, 10:28*am, (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >> Fiber is included in the "total carbohydrate" value on
> >> any U.S. *nutrition label. *The sub-amounts of fiber and sugar,
> >> if significant, are listed separately. *(I think "significant"
> >> means more than 0.5 grams per serving, such at least 1 gram
> >> would be listed.)
> >The Nutrition Facts boxes are really idiotic. *Including non-nutritive
> >fiber in with carbs, then having to subtract fiber to get the caloric
> >carbs is knuckleheaded.
>
> Except for the fact that....fibers are carbs.
>
> Steve

True, they are not fat or protein. And certainly not minerals!!

John Kuthe...

On Feb 11, 12:07*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:28:11 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:
> > Sqwertz > wrote:
>
> >>On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:16:38 -0800 (PST), Bryan wrote:
>
> >>> Steve, I think that calling fiber, "carbs," is confusing.
>
> >>For you, maybe. *not to me. *I tend to call things what they are.
>
> > Fiber is included in the "total carbohydrate" value on
> > any U.S. *nutrition label.
>
> Dietary Fiber *are* carbohydrates, scientifically and nutritionally.
>
> -sw

Don't disturb Bryan's delusion! ;-)

John Kuthe...

On Feb 11, 12:29*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On Feb 10, 8:38*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 8:26*pm, Bryan > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 10, 11:32*am, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
> > > > Bryan wrote:
> > > > > Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
> > > > >> If you don't mind chewing thoroughly - I crunch through the bones of the
> > > > >> tips and eat them whole. *Likely to be good for me for the bone and
> > > > >> cartilege and such but I do it because they taste good and I like
> > > > >> crunchy foods at times.
>
> > > > > I discard the bones after carefully chewing off everything else, so it
> > > > > takes me forever to eat just a tiny bit.
>
> > > > That is another fun thing to do. *Try to separate out the little bones
> > > > and eat the rest. *Messy and fun.
>
> > > I found out today that I can buy 23.8 pound boxes of organic wing tips
> > > for $1.07/#, so a little less that $26 for a box. *My nephew will
> > > split it with me, so basically about 12 pounds for about $27 with
> > > tax. *I plan to toss them with white pepper powder and a little salt,
> > > and let them sit in the fridge for the pepper oil to infuse into them,
> > > then deep fry them in peanut oil. *I'm buying them through Sappington
> > > Farmers' Market, which is involved--along with St. Louis University--
> > > in a program with our school district to provide healthful meals using
> > > locally sourced foods.http://www.slu.edu/x48953.xml
> > > The only sucky thing is that I have to wait 4 weeks. *I'm only
> > > speculating, but I bet that the case size is standard, and that the
> > > wing tips are typically sold to pet food makers and/or companies that
> > > use them to make soup or whatever. *I feel like I finally lucked out,
> > > as well as persisted out.
>
> > > --Bryan
>
> > How many hours of your day to you obsess on your strange dietary
> > fixations, Bryan? Have you ever considered this? I'll bet WAY more
> > than is reasonable.
>
> > I know you never will, but you should really see a psychiatrist. You
> > have become no fun at all in person and this obsession thing is
> > seemingly spiraling out of control.
>
> Maybe more, or maybe less hours than you spend looking for or
> contemplating gainful employment. *My "strange dietary" habits are
> working, and you, in spite of your education, are not. *The only thing
> "spiraling out of control" is your finances. *I'm trending toward
> lowered body fat and a better HDL/LDL ratio, whereas you're trending
> toward sleeping under an overpass, all the while drinking overpriced
> coffee, and spending time on an internet connection that you soon
> won't be able to pay for. *"You should really see a psychiatrist."
>
>
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> --Bryan

Ouch!

On Feb 11, 9:24*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Feb 11, 7:44*am, Bryan > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 1:25*am, Bob Terwilliger >
> > wrote:
>
> > > Steve wrote:
> > > > I'm confused. *Are you two vying for supporters here? Usually when two
> > > > people argue on Usenet the rest of us are supposed to choose sides, or
> > > > something of that sort. *Isn't this how it's supposed to work?
>
> > > > But I don't see anybody expressing an favorable opinion either way.
> > > > This is even harder than voting for a president. *Usually you have
> > > > your choice of two evils and you try and choose the lesser evil. *But
> > > > with you two it's like choosing between Satan or Satan.
>
> > > > In all my years of Usenet, this is a new one - everybody hates the two
> > > > antagonists equally and nobody supports either candidate. *This is
> > > > like - what do they call it - "Emotional Rock Bottom" for you two?
>
> > Only one of us is near "Rock Bottom." *Partly as a result of my "
> > strange dietary fixations," I'm down 25 pounds since late October.
>
> ...
>
> So if you're down 25 lbs (and congratulations on that!!) why are you
> still on this low carbing crusade? Wanting to lose even more? I
> thought low carb dieting was a way to burn existing excess fat, and
> then you'd go to a more normal maintenance eating pattern? Notice I
> didn't say "diet" because I know that to maintain a non-overweight
> status mandates changing one's eating pattern/lifestyle. That's the
> only thing that's ever worked to maintain someone at non-overweight
> status.
>
> I've just recently (one or two days ago) began my own "bail the belly"
> campaign, but I'm gonna do it via reduction of my normal diet and
> daily or close to daily exercise. Too cold to bicycle as I'd prefer,
> but I unearthed the NordicTrack, and did 15 and 10 mins yesterday
> afternoon! Whew, am I out of shape! (Bicycling the day before made me
> know that too. But that's changing now!)
>
> John Kuthe...

Translation: "I lost my job and I have no money for food". Way to go
BSN!