On 2/28/2012 6:53 PM, Steve Pope wrote:

> James > wrote:
>
>> I know this is OT but I don't know where else to post it. A couple of
>> years ago, after taking statins for many years to control my cholesterol
>> levels, I had to give up because of muscle pain. At my cardiologist's
>> suggestion I have tried ALL regularly prescribed statins with the the
>> same result. Now a report has appeared blaming statins for memory loss
>> and raising blood sugar levels:
>
> I saw those reports also.
>
> The risk that statins might cause diabetes is nowhere near
> the risk that either beta-blockers or corticosteroids might cause
> diabetes. I would be much more concerned about the later two
> categories of meds.
>
> As per usual, the drug regulators operate in a very uneven fashion,
> dwelling on minor risks while ignoring major ones.
>
> Steve

Oh, and in addition to another reply I posted, CoQ10 supplement is
supposed to help with the muscle pain but not for me yet. I take that
daily along with Crestor.

I took 20mg zocor for a while. After almost a year I was feeling the
effects when using the muscles. I took myself off the statin. I was
plaed on 10mg Zetia and 10 mg zocor. This low dosage has worked so
far(2yrs) I also take 2 omega fish oil.
I tried 4 fish oil but cholestra went up so I backed off to 2
capsules(1000mg ea.)
This combo seems to be ok. The nurse told me that usually if someone
gets side effects of muscle ache it's when their statin dosage is
increased. BJ

On Feb 28, 7:15*pm, (Emma Chandler) wrote:
> I took 20mg zocor for a while. After almost a year I was feeling the
> effects when using the muscles. I took myself off the statin. I was
> plaed on 10mg Zetia and 10 mg zocor. This low dosage has worked so
> far(2yrs) I also take 2 omega fish oil.
> I tried 4 fish oil but cholestra went up so I backed off to 2
> capsules(1000mg ea.)

The fish oil was not having a bad impact on your cholesterol, but 2 or
3 is plenty, especially is you're taking care not to consume too much
Omega 6.

> This combo seems to be ok. The nurse told me that usually if someone
> gets side effects of muscle ache it's when their statin dosage is
> increased.

Supplemental CoQ is a good idea with statins. It has also been noted
that Vitamin E can interfere with the beneficial actions of CoQ, so
you shouldn't take any more Vit E than is contained in a daily
multivitamin.

> BJ

--Bryan

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:45:02 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote:

>On Feb 28, 7:15*pm, (Emma Chandler) wrote:
>> I took 20mg zocor for a while. After almost a year I was feeling the
>> effects when using the muscles. I took myself off the statin. I was
>> plaed on 10mg Zetia and 10 mg zocor. This low dosage has worked so
>> far(2yrs) I also take 2 omega fish oil.
>> I tried 4 fish oil but cholestra went up so I backed off to 2
>> capsules(1000mg ea.)
>
>The fish oil was not having a bad impact on your cholesterol, but 2 or
>3 is plenty, especially is you're taking care not to consume too much
>Omega 6.
>
>> This combo seems to be ok. The nurse told me that usually if someone
>> gets side effects of muscle ache it's when their statin dosage is
>> increased.
>
>Supplemental CoQ is a good idea with statins. It has also been noted
>that Vitamin E can interfere with the beneficial actions of CoQ, so
>you shouldn't take any more Vit E than is contained in a daily
>multivitamin.
....
>--Bryan

What in the heck is CoQ? You mean Coenzyme Q10?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzym...eta_blocke rs

"However, there are still no conclusive data that support the role of
CoQ10 deficiency in the pathogenesis of statin-related myopathy."

I think you'd be better off listening to a real MD rather than
self-professed expert Bryan!

Here's one:

http://blogs.webmd.com/cholesterol-m...scle-pain.html

"While there is no definitive clinical evidence of any strategies that
can be used to prevent or reduce muscle injury, there is some evidence
that coenzyme Q10 may cause a significant reduction in statin-induced
pain. Since the response has been variable, the use of coenzyme Q 10
cannot be recommended with any degree of confidence."

John Kuthe...

On Feb 28, 8:05*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:45:02 -0800 (PST), Bryan
>
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> > wrote:
> >On Feb 28, 7:15*pm, (Emma Chandler) wrote:
> >> I took 20mg zocor for a while. After almost a year I was feeling the
> >> effects when using the muscles. I took myself off the statin. I was
> >> plaed on 10mg Zetia and 10 mg zocor. This low dosage has worked so
> >> far(2yrs) I also take 2 omega fish oil.
> >> I tried 4 fish oil but cholestra went up so I backed off to 2
> >> capsules(1000mg ea.)
>
> >The fish oil was not having a bad impact on your cholesterol, but 2 or
> >3 is plenty, especially is you're taking care not to consume too much
> >Omega 6.
>
> >> This combo seems to be ok. The nurse told me that usually if someone
> >> gets side effects of muscle ache it's when their statin dosage is
> >> increased.
>
> >Supplemental CoQ is a good idea with statins. *It has also been noted
> >that Vitamin E can interfere with the beneficial actions of CoQ, so
> >you shouldn't take any more Vit E than is contained in a daily
> >multivitamin.
> ...
> >--Bryan
>
> What in the heck is CoQ? You mean Coenzyme Q10?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzym..._statins_and_b...
>
> "However, there are still no conclusive data that support the role of
> CoQ10 deficiency in the pathogenesis of statin-related myopathy."
>
> I think you'd be better off listening to a real MD rather than
> self-professed expert Bryan!
>
> Here's one:
>
> http://blogs.webmd.com/cholesterol-m...tatins-and-mus...
>
> "While there is no definitive clinical evidence of any strategies that
> can be used to prevent or reduce muscle injury, there is some evidence
> that coenzyme Q10 *may cause a significant reduction in statin-induced
> pain. Since the response has been variable, the use of coenzyme Q 10
> cannot be recommended with any degree of confidence."

If I was *trying* to set a trap for you that I figured you'd fall
into, I couldn't have done better. I NEVER stated that CoQ
contributed to "a significant reduction in statin-induced pain." I
didn't say that. AGAIN, sloppy. The last thing a BSN nurse should be
is sloppy.

Coenzyme Q10 levels are depleted by statins. You thought only about
the narrowly focused theme of muscle pain, and I'm sure that one part
of the reason was that you were in a hurry to dispute what I wrote,
but the other reason is that you are not very--and maybe not at all--
familiar with CoQ10.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14695926

You may say that I am not qualified to give dietary advice, but you
SURE AS SHIT ARE NOT. Read this, failed nurse:
http://faculty.washington.edu/ely/coenzq10.html

CoQ10 deficiency can lead to congestive heart failure.

Once again, you have demonstrated that you are not qualified to work
in allied health.

>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:02:33 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> wrote:
....
>Once again, you have demonstrated that you are not qualified to work
>in allied health.
>
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>--Bryan

Since you relentlesly want to drag this down to personal terms, why is
it again if you are so smart that you work as a JANITOR and have for
many years now? In the time you have worked continuously as a janitor,
I have achieved 3 Bachelor's degrees in two very advanced technical
areas (enginerring and nursing) and worked 7 years for IBM in my
second career, while you continue to live primarily off your wife's
income?

John Kuthe...

On Feb 28, 10:45*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:02:33 -0800 (PST), > wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >Once again, you have demonstrated that you are not qualified to work
> >in allied health.
>
> >> John Kuthe...
>
> >--Bryan
>
> Since you relentlesly want to drag this down to personal terms, why is
> it again if you are so smart that you work as a JANITOR and have for
> many years now? In the time you have worked continuously as a janitor,
> I have achieved 3 Bachelor's degrees in two very advanced technical
> areas (enginerring and nursing) and worked 7 years for IBM in my
> second career, while you continue to live primarily off your wife's
> income?
>
> John Kuthe...

On Feb 28, 10:45*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:02:33 -0800 (PST), > wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >Once again, you have demonstrated that you are not qualified to work
> >in allied health.
>
> >> John Kuthe...
>
> >--Bryan
>
> Since you relentlesly want to drag this down to personal terms,

You dragged it into the personal when you "diagnosed" me as having a
psychiatric disorder.

> why is it again if you are so smart that you work as a JANITOR and have for
> many years now?

I'm paid pretty darned well for a building custodian, and I enjoy my
job nearly all the time. It's not for lack of smart.

> In the time you have worked continuously as a janitor,
> I have achieved 3 Bachelor's degrees in two very advanced technical
> areas (enginerring and nursing) and worked 7 years for IBM in my
> second career, while you continue to live primarily off your wife's
> income?

She does make more money than me. I made the overwhelming majority of
the money the first seven years we were together. She was interested
in a career that required graduate school, and we put our eggs into
that basket. The school I went to was primarily because I'm
interested in knowing things. I might not have a lot of earning
potential, but I've never been unable to get a job. I have paid off
every cent of student debt. You know, that debt that can't be
discharged by bankruptcy.

Every one of your posts that demean my interest in the details of
health has made you less attractive to any employer who bothers to
Google you. You screwed up once by posting something you shouldn't
have on the internet, and you paid pretty dearly. Now, you're doing
it again. Through nothing but your obnoxious behavior on Usenet,
you've greatly lessened the value of that education. You're smart
enough to know all this, but I guess maybe you think it's to late to
make any difference.

I'll be posting some more diet and supplement stuff soon, and give you
another opportunity to play psychiatrist, and to show the world your
disdain for knowledge.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan