On Mar 5, 6:56*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 05/03/2012 8:19 AM, George wrote:
>
> >> We have been doing a little home remodeling- trying to find stuff that
> >> is not made in China is getting harder to find. LOL- my husband just
> >> got home from Ace Hardware this very minute and is griping about not
> >> being able to find plumbing stuff not made in China.
>
> > If you want to buy say plumbing stuff not made in China the best bet
> > would be a real supply house.
>
> Yep. That's where you get the good quality stuff..... made in Mexico.

LOL!!

On 3/5/2012 6:40 AM, Gary wrote:
> George wrote:


>>
>> Pretty easy to think in only black and white...
>
> Pretty easy to say that if you have the money to pay 3 times the amount for
> shrimp.
>
> Gary



Pretty easy to buy products from China to save money, then complain
about the lack of manufacturing jobs and loss of farms and fresh fish in
the local economy.

gloria p

On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:39:23 PM UTC-5, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On Mar 4, 8:57*am, A Moose in Love
> wrote:
> > I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> > from Chinese caught fish. *It was. * *The same for the cod that I now
> > have.
> > Are we asking too much? *Is fish from China lousy? *Are their
> > standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> > North America? *I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> > $8.99 per pound. *Frozen. *I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> > is it from? *Who ran the trawlers? *Does it matter?
>
> You want to avoid their farmed fish*, but I haven't heard anything
> about their wild-caught fish.
>
> *E.G. tilapia:
>
> http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/c...aspx?s=tilapia

Before I knew better, I bought some frozen farmed tilapia grom China. It tasted off and I threw it out. Not spoiled, more like concocted in a test tube. After I knew better, my SO/CCBW bought some and it was fine.

Jerry
--
"I view the progress of science as being the slow erosion of the
tendency to dichotomize." Barbara Smuts, U. Mich.

On Monday, March 5, 2012 10:42:57 AM UTC-5, Betsy D wrote:

...

> > 9th digit: Check digit (whatever _that_ means)

It means that all the other digits (or maybe only the preceding digits) are plugged into a formula, and the result is the 9th digit. That way, if you make up a "VIN" at random, nine times out of ten it will be an obvious fake to those who know the formula. There are check digits in credit-card numbers, too.

...

Jerry
--
"I view the progress of science as being the slow erosion of the
tendency to dichotomize." Barbara Smuts, U. Mich.

On Monday, March 5, 2012 1:05:19 AM UTC-5, David Harmon wrote:

...

> The big print says "Icelandic"
> The small print says "not actually Icelandic but instead Chinese".
>
> If that's not outright fraud, it's at least headed in that direction.
> There is NO justification for putting "Icelandic" anywhere on something
> with no connection whatsoever to Iceland.

Old Bohemian Beer is brewed in New York. Dodge trucks aren't made in Dodge. the Old Dutch mustard company started in Manhattan, moved to Brooklyn, and then to Great Neck. Most Nova lox was never in Nova Scotia. These, like Icelandic, are brand names, not descriptions of origin. Just don't make unwarranted assumptions.

Real attempts at deception use pseudowords like creme and crispy, which can't be faulted for inaccuracy because have no defined meanings.

Jerry
--
"I view the progress of science as being the slow erosion of the
tendency to dichotomize." Barbara Smuts, U. Mich.

On Mar 4, 11:57*am, A Moose in Love >
wrote:
> I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> from Chinese caught fish. *It was. * *The same for the cod that I now
> have.
> Are we asking too much? *Is fish from China lousy? *Are their
> stands, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> North America? *I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> $8.99 per pound. *Frozen. *I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> is it from? *Who ran the trawlers? *Does it matter?

I won't knowingly eat anything from China. I also eschew other
products made there, e.g. dish towels whose cheap dyes run etc.

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:42:09 -0600, Andy > wrote:


>Any tomatoes called Jersey tomatoes without the "Jersey Fresh" sticker
>are fakes.
>
>Years ago New Jersey held it's first (and next to last) tomato festival.
>"Jersey Fresh" tomatoes were only allowed. It served as a customer
>awareness "statement."
>
>Jersey Fresh tomatoes are big and firm and mildly sweet with crunch. I
>eat them like apples. Some folks even salt them before gobbling them up.
>
>The Jersey Fresh tomato harvest is only available for a short time, late
>July to maybe early September.
>
>Andy

Oh, how I miss them. In season, they used to get down to 4 lbs. for a
dollar on the street corner. There were a few hucksters that had
fresh Jersey produce picked that morning. Blueberries, peaches,
cantaloupe that just were tops. The sandy soil made the difference.

On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:08:28 -0800 (PST), spamtrap1888
> wrote:



>>
>> 1st digit: Shows where the vehicle was manufactured. (Of course, there's
>> no telling where many of the *parts* came from.)
>>
>
>The Monroney sticker on the last new car we bought, told us where the
>engine and the transmission were made, as well as where the car was
>assembled.

Last two cars I bought also had the percentage of US parts. My made
in US foreign car has 48% US parts in it.

gloria p wrote:
> On 3/5/2012 6:40 AM, Gary wrote:
>> George wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Pretty easy to think in only black and white...
>>
>> Pretty easy to say that if you have the money to pay 3 times the
>> amount for
>> shrimp.
>>
>> Gary
>
>
>
> Pretty easy to buy products from China to save money, then complain
> about the lack of manufacturing jobs and loss of farms and fresh fish in
> the local economy.
>
> gloria p

Yup.

--
Jean B.

Kalmia wrote:
> On Mar 4, 11:57 am, A Moose in Love >
> wrote:
>> I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
>> from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
>> have.
>> Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
>> stands, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
>> North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
>> $8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
>> is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?
>
> I won't knowingly eat anything from China. I also eschew other
> products made there, e.g. dish towels whose cheap dyes run etc.

I have probably mentioned the stainless steel items I have gotten
inadvertently (once) or because there was no other choice (once)
that started rusted immediately after being used for their
intended purposes. That's outrageous, as was the dish towel dye
issue.

--
Jean B.

"A Moose in Love" > wrote in message
...
>I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
> have.
> Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
> standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> $8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?
>
Why support the Chinese economy at the expense of the US economy.
Walmart is responsible for 1% of China's GNP so stop shopping there as well!

Kalmia wrote:

> I won't knowingly eat anything from China. I also eschew other
> products made there, e.g. dish towels whose cheap dyes run etc.

That feeling is really widespread: some months ago I bougth some adhesive
plaster I still have here, guess what it reads on the label... "Made in
China - Sterilized in Italy"
LOL

On Mar 5, 4:21*pm, Jerry Avins > wrote:
> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:39:23 PM UTC-5, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 8:57*am, A Moose in Love
> > *wrote:
> > > I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> > > from Chinese caught fish. *It was. * *The same for the cod that I now
> > > have.
> > > Are we asking too much? *Is fish from China lousy? *Are their
> > > standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> > > North America? *I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> > > $8.99 per pound. *Frozen. *I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> > > is it from? *Who ran the trawlers? *Does it matter?
>
> > You want to avoid their farmed fish*, but I haven't heard anything
> > about their wild-caught fish.
>
> > *E.G. tilapia:
>
> >http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/c...sfw_search.asp...
>
> Before I knew better, I bought some frozen farmed tilapia grom China. It tasted off and I threw it out. Not spoiled, more like concocted in a test tube. After I knew better, my SO/CCBW bought some and it was fine.
>
Significant Other/ Chinese Concubine By the Way?



> Jerry
> --
> "I view the progress of science as being the slow erosion of the
> * tendency to dichotomize." * * * * * * * * * Barbara Smuts, U. Mich.

On 6/03/2012 9:04 PM, ViLco wrote:
> Kalmia wrote:
>
>> I won't knowingly eat anything from China. I also eschew other
>> products made there, e.g. dish towels whose cheap dyes run etc.
>
> That feeling is really widespread: some months ago I bougth some adhesive
> plaster I still have here, guess what it reads on the label... "Made in
> China - Sterilized in Italy"
> LOL
>
>
At least you have a reasonable idea that it was at least sterilised
properly.

>


--

Krypsis

On 6/03/2012 2:28 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> Kalmia wrote:
>> On Mar 4, 11:57 am, A Moose in Love >
>> wrote:
>>> I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
>>> from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
>>> have.
>>> Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
>>> stands, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
>>> North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
>>> $8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
>>> is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?
>>
>> I won't knowingly eat anything from China. I also eschew other
>> products made there, e.g. dish towels whose cheap dyes run etc.
>
> I have probably mentioned the stainless steel items I have gotten
> inadvertently (once) or because there was no other choice (once) that
> started rusted immediately after being used for their intended purposes.
> That's outrageous, as was the dish towel dye issue.
>
Chinese plastic goods such as kitchen containers, clothes pegs and the
like are absolute rubbish. The plastic tends to be of indeterminate
quality tending towards brittleness. The equivalents from Thailand seem
much better, last a lot longer and have less sprue.

--

Krypsis

On Mar 6, 2:04*am, "ViLco" > wrote:
> Kalmia wrote:
> > I won't knowingly eat anything from China. *I also eschew other
> > products made there, e.g. dish towels whose cheap dyes run etc.
>
> That feeling is really widespread: some months ago I bougth some adhesive
> plaster I still have here, guess what it reads on the label... "Made in
> China - Sterilized in Italy"
> LOL

Much cheaper for the vendor to say he sterilized it -- how would the
buyer know?

But maybe the concern is not possible fraud. I interviewed at a Band-
Aid factory when I was in college. Seems to me they irradiated the
sealed bandages to sterilize them. This technology may be too
sensitive (in a couple senses of the word) to transfer to a
subcontractor.

On Mar 6, 4:34*am, A Moose in Love > wrote:
> On Mar 5, 4:21*pm, Jerry Avins > wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:39:23 PM UTC-5, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> > > On Mar 4, 8:57*am, A Moose in Love
> > > *wrote:
> > > > I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> > > > from Chinese caught fish. *It was. * *The same for the cod that I now
> > > > have.
> > > > Are we asking too much? *Is fish from China lousy? *Are their
> > > > standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> > > > North America? *I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> > > > $8.99 per pound. *Frozen. *I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> > > > is it from? *Who ran the trawlers? *Does it matter?
>
> > > You want to avoid their farmed fish*, but I haven't heard anything
> > > about their wild-caught fish.
>
> > > *E.G. tilapia:
>
> > >http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/c...sfw_search.asp....
>
> > Before I knew better, I bought some frozen farmed tilapia grom China. It tasted off and I threw it out. Not spoiled, more like concocted in a test tube. After I knew better, my SO/CCBW bought some and it was fine.
>
> Significant Other/ Chinese Concubine By the Way?
>

Communist China Born Wife?

On 3/5/2012 3:55 PM, gloria p wrote:
> On 3/5/2012 6:40 AM, Gary wrote:
>> George wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Pretty easy to think in only black and white...
>>
>> Pretty easy to say that if you have the money to pay 3 times the
>> amount for
>> shrimp.
>>
>> Gary
>
>
>
> Pretty easy to buy products from China to save money, then complain
> about the lack of manufacturing jobs and loss of farms and fresh fish in
> the local economy.
>
> gloria p

That was my point exactly to rationalizing that cheap always wins and
not considering the consequences.

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>>
>> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
>> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
>> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
>> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
>> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
>> all my groceries there.
>
>Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
>more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
>basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
>emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?

Agreed, more people need to vote with their wallets and buy locally
produced food from local businesses.

That's what I do these days. Not doing this can only perpetuate the
current trends. I know it gets hard for those on limited incomes to
resist lower prices, but I often wonder just how hard they are really
trying (not all of course).

It's insane how product is shipped overseas, then comes back again to
the state or country or origin. Not to mention the loss of local
employment and infrastructure.

On Mar 6, 4:32*pm, Jeßus > wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
> >Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
> >>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
> >>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
> >>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
> >>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>
> >> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
> >> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
> >> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
> >> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
> >> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
> >> all my groceries there.
>
> >Sounds like a good thing to voice. *I think it is crazy to become
> >more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
> >basics, and especially China. *Also, how about foods that may
> >emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>
> Agreed, more people need to vote with their wallets and buy locally
> produced food from local businesses.
>
> That's what I do these days. Not doing this can only perpetuate the
> current trends. I know it gets hard for those on limited incomes to
> resist lower prices, but I often wonder just how hard they are really
> trying (not all of course).
>
> It's insane how product is shipped overseas, then comes back again to
> the state or country or origin. Not to mention the loss of local
> employment and infrastructure.

We have lost much work here. Arrow shirts, John Forsythe shirts, Huck
glove, many meat packers; the only one left is Schneiders, and it is
now only a distribution center, all of our rubber is gone, 3 Uniroyal
plants, BF Goodrich, Goodyear tire, textiles are gone, leather
tanning went a long time ago. but still in this region, the economy
is chirping along. you just need to be very skilled, and you'll make
out. having said that, the larger machine shops are/have been
restructured, and many metal workers are out of work. RIM, is not
doing so good, although it used to be primo. There was a time, when
you could get out of school with a grade 10 education, and make decent
money; about $25 in today's wages. not any more. Even RMS (an
independent arm of Uniroyal; they worked in conjunction with Uniroyal
tire on Strange street; Rubber Machinery Shops) has shut down. And
they had very skilled machinist/fitters working there. One of our
best automation tooling plants was going along very well. The owner
controlled the majority of shares (he started repairing dies in his
garage, and worked it up to a $100 million company) always made sure
that in bad times, his good workers never got laid off. Then he died,
and the bean counters took over. They started putting up communist
style banners all over the shop such as 'Every Day is a New Day', and
laid off the weekend shift, laid off the night shift, canned the
machine shop foreman (who brought much to the company) etc.

Krypsis wrote:
> On 6/03/2012 2:28 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>> Kalmia wrote:
>>> On Mar 4, 11:57 am, A Moose in Love >
>>> wrote:
>>>> I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
>>>> from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
>>>> have.
>>>> Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
>>>> stands, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
>>>> North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
>>>> $8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
>>>> is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?
>>>
>>> I won't knowingly eat anything from China. I also eschew other
>>> products made there, e.g. dish towels whose cheap dyes run etc.
>>
>> I have probably mentioned the stainless steel items I have gotten
>> inadvertently (once) or because there was no other choice (once) that
>> started rusted immediately after being used for their intended purposes.
>> That's outrageous, as was the dish towel dye issue.
>>
> Chinese plastic goods such as kitchen containers, clothes pegs and the
> like are absolute rubbish. The plastic tends to be of indeterminate
> quality tending towards brittleness. The equivalents from Thailand seem
> much better, last a lot longer and have less sprue.
>
Much stuff from China is worthless. At least sometimes one can
get things from India, which at least hasn't seemed to have such
issues.

--
Jean B.

Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>>>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>>>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>>>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>>> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
>>> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
>>> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
>>> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
>>> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
>>> all my groceries there.
>> Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
>> more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
>> basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
>> emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>
> Agreed, more people need to vote with their wallets and buy locally
> produced food from local businesses.
>
> That's what I do these days. Not doing this can only perpetuate the
> current trends. I know it gets hard for those on limited incomes to
> resist lower prices, but I often wonder just how hard they are really
> trying (not all of course).
>
> It's insane how product is shipped overseas, then comes back again to
> the state or country or origin. Not to mention the loss of local
> employment and infrastructure.

Yup. As I think I have said before, I am shopping at smaller and
smaller farms, trying to help keep them afloat. Last year, I was
giving as much business as possible to a tiny ramshackle place
that actually grew much of its own fruit. It was soooo good. I
am a bit afraid he may have finally sold out to a developer, but
it is hard to tell, because his stand is in such a state of disrepair.

There was another tiny place up the road with a very eccentric and
interesting character who did the farming and would show up in the
shop. He had lovely currants, which he grew. I think he died, or
suffered some catastrophe, because he seems to be gone.

--
Jean B.

Andy > wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> When we think of orange juice, most of us have been brainwashed by
>> advertising to think of Florida. Look at the label on the container
>> next time. If not for imported juice, a bottle of OJ could cost a lot
>> more.
>
>
> A similar "gotcha" happened to New Jersey. Being famously known for
> "Jersey tomatoes." What happened (and continues to happen) is that
> tomatoes grown in Florida are shipped to New Jersey and then distributed
> as Jersey tomatoes, bearing absolutely no resemblance to a grown in
> Jersey tomato.
>
> That upset local growers so much so that they formed the "Jersey Fresh"
> commission (?) and created "Jersey Fresh" posters and stickers applied to
> the famous Jersey tomatoes.
>
> Any tomatoes called Jersey tomatoes without the "Jersey Fresh" sticker
> are fakes.
>
> Years ago New Jersey held it's first (and next to last) tomato festival.
> "Jersey Fresh" tomatoes were only allowed. It served as a customer
> awareness "statement."
>
> Jersey Fresh tomatoes are big and firm and mildly sweet with crunch. I
> eat them like apples. Some folks even salt them before gobbling them up.
>
> The Jersey Fresh tomato harvest is only available for a short time, late
> July to maybe early September.
>
> Andy

I HATE STICKERS ON PRODUCE !!!!!!!!

Greg

On 7/03/2012 12:25 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> On Mar 6, 4:32 pm, > wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean > wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>>>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>>>>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>>>>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>>>>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>>
>>>> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
>>>> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
>>>> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
>>>> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
>>>> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
>>>> all my groceries there.
>>
>>> Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
>>> more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
>>> basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
>>> emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>>
>> Agreed, more people need to vote with their wallets and buy locally
>> produced food from local businesses.
>>
>> That's what I do these days. Not doing this can only perpetuate the
>> current trends. I know it gets hard for those on limited incomes to
>> resist lower prices, but I often wonder just how hard they are really
>> trying (not all of course).
>>
>> It's insane how product is shipped overseas, then comes back again to
>> the state or country or origin. Not to mention the loss of local
>> employment and infrastructure.
>
> We have lost much work here. Arrow shirts, John Forsythe shirts, Huck
> glove, many meat packers; the only one left is Schneiders, and it is
> now only a distribution center, all of our rubber is gone, 3 Uniroyal
> plants, BF Goodrich, Goodyear tire, textiles are gone, leather
> tanning went a long time ago. but still in this region, the economy
> is chirping along. you just need to be very skilled, and you'll make
> out. having said that, the larger machine shops are/have been

Most machine shop work has been automated to a fair degree. Even the
jobber shops are getting into CNC. If your job or career path is under
threat, you can either allow yourself to become redundant or you can
re-skill. That applies in all fields of endeavour, not just the trades.
I just need to see the changes over my working life to know that with
just the one employer for my entire working life, I am indeed a
dinosaur. Admittedly, I did work in many different jobs and in many
different departments with the one employer.

> restructured, and many metal workers are out of work. RIM, is not
> doing so good, although it used to be primo. There was a time, when
> you could get out of school with a grade 10 education, and make decent
> money; about $25 in today's wages. not any more. Even RMS (an

About 60 years ago, when I first started work, that was true here in
Australia too. I had a year 10 education and started in the department
as a gopher. About 30 or so years later, with a few degrees behind me,
I was running the place. You might start out with a basic education but
you need to update and improve that education else you will remain at
the bottom of the heap.
Nowadays you need a degree minimum just to get a start.

> independent arm of Uniroyal; they worked in conjunction with Uniroyal
> tire on Strange street; Rubber Machinery Shops) has shut down. And
> they had very skilled machinist/fitters working there. One of our
> best automation tooling plants was going along very well. The owner
> controlled the majority of shares (he started repairing dies in his
> garage, and worked it up to a $100 million company) always made sure
> that in bad times, his good workers never got laid off. Then he died,
> and the bean counters took over. They started putting up communist
> style banners all over the shop such as 'Every Day is a New Day', and
> laid off the weekend shift, laid off the night shift, canned the
> machine shop foreman (who brought much to the company) etc.

I know all about bean counters. Every time we have a change of
government, out come the bean counters looking to see where savings can
be made in my department. Lots of intangibles in my department and they
invariably stuff up and get rid of valuable people, even in the face of
advice to the contrary. A year or three later, the error of their ways
becomes patently obvious and they're out hiring again. Trouble, those
really good people usually only want to return as consultants at 3 and 4
times their original salaries. The skill-set in my department is so
specialised that you simply cannot pluck these people with the required
skills from anywhere. Typically you end up with people, who have taken
early retirement, returning as consultants on their own terms.

These days any employee needs to keep up-skilling and, more importantly,
cross-skilling if you expect to stay off the dole queues.

--

Krypsis

On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 17:25:35 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> wrote:

>On Mar 6, 4:32*pm, Jeßus > wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>> >Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>> >>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>> >>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>> >>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>> >>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>>
>> >> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
>> >> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
>> >> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
>> >> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
>> >> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
>> >> all my groceries there.
>>
>> >Sounds like a good thing to voice. *I think it is crazy to become
>> >more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
>> >basics, and especially China. *Also, how about foods that may
>> >emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>>
>> Agreed, more people need to vote with their wallets and buy locally
>> produced food from local businesses.
>>
>> That's what I do these days. Not doing this can only perpetuate the
>> current trends. I know it gets hard for those on limited incomes to
>> resist lower prices, but I often wonder just how hard they are really
>> trying (not all of course).
>>
>> It's insane how product is shipped overseas, then comes back again to
>> the state or country or origin. Not to mention the loss of local
>> employment and infrastructure.
>
>We have lost much work here. Arrow shirts, John Forsythe shirts, Huck
>glove, many meat packers; the only one left is Schneiders, and it is
>now only a distribution center, all of our rubber is gone, 3 Uniroyal
>plants, BF Goodrich, Goodyear tire, textiles are gone, leather
>tanning went a long time ago. but still in this region, the economy
>is chirping along. you just need to be very skilled, and you'll make
>out. having said that, the larger machine shops are/have been
>restructured, and many metal workers are out of work. RIM, is not
>doing so good, although it used to be primo. There was a time, when
>you could get out of school with a grade 10 education, and make decent
>money; about $25 in today's wages. not any more. Even RMS (an
>independent arm of Uniroyal; they worked in conjunction with Uniroyal
>tire on Strange street; Rubber Machinery Shops) has shut down. And
>they had very skilled machinist/fitters working there. One of our
>best automation tooling plants was going along very well. The owner
>controlled the majority of shares (he started repairing dies in his
>garage, and worked it up to a $100 million company) always made sure
>that in bad times, his good workers never got laid off. Then he died,
>and the bean counters took over. They started putting up communist
>style banners all over the shop such as 'Every Day is a New Day', and
>laid off the weekend shift, laid off the night shift, canned the
>machine shop foreman (who brought much to the company) etc.

Much the same thing is happening here, albeit at a much reduced
scale... Australia has so far weathered the GFC pretty well compared
to elsewhere. So far.

On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:44:02 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>>>>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>>>>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>>>>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>>>> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
>>>> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
>>>> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
>>>> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
>>>> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
>>>> all my groceries there.
>>> Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
>>> more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
>>> basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
>>> emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>>
>> Agreed, more people need to vote with their wallets and buy locally
>> produced food from local businesses.
>>
>> That's what I do these days. Not doing this can only perpetuate the
>> current trends. I know it gets hard for those on limited incomes to
>> resist lower prices, but I often wonder just how hard they are really
>> trying (not all of course).
>>
>> It's insane how product is shipped overseas, then comes back again to
>> the state or country or origin. Not to mention the loss of local
>> employment and infrastructure.
>
>Yup. As I think I have said before, I am shopping at smaller and
>smaller farms, trying to help keep them afloat. Last year, I was
>giving as much business as possible to a tiny ramshackle place
>that actually grew much of its own fruit. It was soooo good. I
>am a bit afraid he may have finally sold out to a developer, but
>it is hard to tell, because his stand is in such a state of disrepair.
>
>There was another tiny place up the road with a very eccentric and
>interesting character who did the farming and would show up in the
>shop. He had lovely currants, which he grew. I think he died, or
>suffered some catastrophe, because he seems to be gone.

Shame, I love eccentrics. I probably qualify as one myself
It's far more satisfying buying that way, and you're more likely to
get fruit picked at its optimum rather than when it will transport
best. Or get a better tasting variety of fruit, not one bred for
longevity after being picked

Jeßus wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:44:02 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>>>>>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>>>>>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>>>>>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>>>>> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
>>>>> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
>>>>> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
>>>>> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
>>>>> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
>>>>> all my groceries there.
>>>> Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
>>>> more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
>>>> basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
>>>> emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>>> Agreed, more people need to vote with their wallets and buy locally
>>> produced food from local businesses.
>>>
>>> That's what I do these days. Not doing this can only perpetuate the
>>> current trends. I know it gets hard for those on limited incomes to
>>> resist lower prices, but I often wonder just how hard they are really
>>> trying (not all of course).
>>>
>>> It's insane how product is shipped overseas, then comes back again to
>>> the state or country or origin. Not to mention the loss of local
>>> employment and infrastructure.
>> Yup. As I think I have said before, I am shopping at smaller and
>> smaller farms, trying to help keep them afloat. Last year, I was
>> giving as much business as possible to a tiny ramshackle place
>> that actually grew much of its own fruit. It was soooo good. I
>> am a bit afraid he may have finally sold out to a developer, but
>> it is hard to tell, because his stand is in such a state of disrepair.
>>
>> There was another tiny place up the road with a very eccentric and
>> interesting character who did the farming and would show up in the
>> shop. He had lovely currants, which he grew. I think he died, or
>> suffered some catastrophe, because he seems to be gone.
>
> Shame, I love eccentrics. I probably qualify as one myself
> It's far more satisfying buying that way, and you're more likely to
> get fruit picked at its optimum rather than when it will transport
> best. Or get a better tasting variety of fruit, not one bred for
> longevity after being picked
>
Several dittos. He was so interesting.... I guess, along with
the better quality produce (usually) and the general philosophy, I
like interpersonal exchange.

--
Jean B.