I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
have.
Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
$8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?

On Mar 4, 8:57*am, A Moose in Love > wrote:
> I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> from Chinese caught fish. *It was. * *The same for the cod that I now
> have.
> Are we asking too much? *Is fish from China lousy? *Are their
> standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> North America? *I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> $8.99 per pound. *Frozen. *I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> is it from? *Who ran the trawlers? *Does it matter?

You want to avoid their farmed fish*, but I haven't heard anything
about their wild-caught fish.

*E.G. tilapia:

http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/c...aspx?s=tilapia

On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:39:23 PM UTC-5, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On Mar 4, 8:57*am, A Moose in Love
> wrote:
> > I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> > from Chinese caught fish. *It was. * *The same for the cod that I now
> > have.
> > Are we asking too much? *Is fish from China lousy? *Are their
> > standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> > North America? *I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> > $8.99 per pound. *Frozen. *I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> > is it from? *Who ran the trawlers? *Does it matter?
>
> You want to avoid their farmed fish*, but I haven't heard anything
> about their wild-caught fish.
>
> *E.G. tilapia:
>
> http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/c...aspx?s=tilapia

Before I knew better, I bought some frozen farmed tilapia grom China. It tasted off and I threw it out. Not spoiled, more like concocted in a test tube. After I knew better, my SO/CCBW bought some and it was fine.

Jerry
--
"I view the progress of science as being the slow erosion of the
tendency to dichotomize." Barbara Smuts, U. Mich.

On Mar 5, 4:21*pm, Jerry Avins > wrote:
> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:39:23 PM UTC-5, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> > On Mar 4, 8:57*am, A Moose in Love
> > *wrote:
> > > I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> > > from Chinese caught fish. *It was. * *The same for the cod that I now
> > > have.
> > > Are we asking too much? *Is fish from China lousy? *Are their
> > > standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> > > North America? *I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> > > $8.99 per pound. *Frozen. *I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> > > is it from? *Who ran the trawlers? *Does it matter?
>
> > You want to avoid their farmed fish*, but I haven't heard anything
> > about their wild-caught fish.
>
> > *E.G. tilapia:
>
> >http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/c...sfw_search.asp...
>
> Before I knew better, I bought some frozen farmed tilapia grom China. It tasted off and I threw it out. Not spoiled, more like concocted in a test tube. After I knew better, my SO/CCBW bought some and it was fine.
>
Significant Other/ Chinese Concubine By the Way?



> Jerry
> --
> "I view the progress of science as being the slow erosion of the
> * tendency to dichotomize." * * * * * * * * * Barbara Smuts, U. Mich.

On Mar 6, 4:34*am, A Moose in Love > wrote:
> On Mar 5, 4:21*pm, Jerry Avins > wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:39:23 PM UTC-5, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> > > On Mar 4, 8:57*am, A Moose in Love
> > > *wrote:
> > > > I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> > > > from Chinese caught fish. *It was. * *The same for the cod that I now
> > > > have.
> > > > Are we asking too much? *Is fish from China lousy? *Are their
> > > > standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> > > > North America? *I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> > > > $8.99 per pound. *Frozen. *I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> > > > is it from? *Who ran the trawlers? *Does it matter?
>
> > > You want to avoid their farmed fish*, but I haven't heard anything
> > > about their wild-caught fish.
>
> > > *E.G. tilapia:
>
> > >http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/c...sfw_search.asp....
>
> > Before I knew better, I bought some frozen farmed tilapia grom China. It tasted off and I threw it out. Not spoiled, more like concocted in a test tube. After I knew better, my SO/CCBW bought some and it was fine.
>
> Significant Other/ Chinese Concubine By the Way?
>

Communist China Born Wife?

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:57:57 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> wrote:

>I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
>from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
>have.
>Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
>standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
>North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
>$8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
>is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?


I'm sure it matters, but I have no idea how you tell a good operation
from bad. Unless inspected, you have no idea how the fish was handled
from the time caught to the time in the freezer. Watch some of the
shows on History and Discovery about fishing. Some seem to be well
run operations, others, less so. Seems to be a crap shoot to me.

On 3/4/2012 9:57 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
> have.
> Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
> standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> $8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?
>


Of course it matters. We were in SE Asia last fall during the horrific
floods and kept seeing people line and net fishing in the flood waters
which were tainted with household sewage and animal waste runoff. I
wondered whether they were eating the fish or selling it to local
restaurants. I didn't eat fish on the trip no matter how good it
looked. I got sick anyway, from the ice in iced coffee, but I did know
better and took a chance. :-P

I have recently seen a lot of good looking fish in cry-vac packaging
labeled "Icelandic" brand. A look at the pack of the packages showed a
very small "Product of China" (or Vietnam, Thailand, etc.) That comes
close to being fraud in my mind.

gloria p

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:27:33 -0700, gloria p >
wrote:



>
>I have recently seen a lot of good looking fish in cry-vac packaging
>labeled "Icelandic" brand. A look at the pack of the packages showed a
>very small "Product of China" (or Vietnam, Thailand, etc.) That comes
>close to being fraud in my mind.
>
>gloria p

How is honesty close to fraud? I'm familiar with Icelandic Brand and
they are one of the more reputable seafood companies. Like all the
big ones, they either have fishing boats or buy fish from around the
world.

Icelandic follows the procedure that meet US standards, as well as
their own.

We have customers that process seafood here in New England. Many of
the businesses are owned by Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian companies.
They take much of the US caught product and ship it to their customers
around the world, marked "Product of USA".

Oh, those Maine Lobsters you see don't all come from Maine.

On 3/4/2012 1:54 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:27:33 -0700, gloria >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> I have recently seen a lot of good looking fish in cry-vac packaging
>> labeled "Icelandic" brand. A look at the pack of the packages showed a
>> very small "Product of China" (or Vietnam, Thailand, etc.) That comes
>> close to being fraud in my mind.
>>
>> gloria p
>
> How is honesty close to fraud? I'm familiar with Icelandic Brand and
> they are one of the more reputable seafood companies.


It would be the same as if the brand on the package was "USA Seafood"
and in tiny type on the back of the package it said "Product of China".

gloria p

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:43:22 -0700, gloria p >
wrote:

>On 3/4/2012 1:54 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:27:33 -0700, gloria >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have recently seen a lot of good looking fish in cry-vac packaging
>>> labeled "Icelandic" brand. A look at the pack of the packages showed a
>>> very small "Product of China" (or Vietnam, Thailand, etc.) That comes
>>> close to being fraud in my mind.
>>>
>>> gloria p
>>
>> How is honesty close to fraud? I'm familiar with Icelandic Brand and
>> they are one of the more reputable seafood companies.
>
>
>It would be the same as if the brand on the package was "USA Seafood"
>and in tiny type on the back of the package it said "Product of China".
>
>gloria p

Icelandic is a brand name. Swiss Miss hot chocolate is a ConAgra
product and does not come from Switzerland.

Many Fords come from Mexico. You can see the USA in your Chevrolet
made in Canada. You really have to look where things come from in a
World economy.

Icelandic is owned by High Liner Foods


Corporate Structure
High Liner Foods employs approximately 1900 people in Canada, the
United States, China, Iceland and Thailand. Our annual sales in 2012,
are expected to exceed $900 million Canadian dollars.

The Corporate Head Office is located in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia and we
are publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the symbol HLF
and HLF.A.

In Canada, High Liner Foods Incorporated, based in Concord, Ontario,
focuses on serving the Canadian retail and food service markets. It is
the home of High Liner®, Canada's leading frozen processed seafood
brand. The Lunenburg, Nova Scotia and Burin, Newfoundland secondary
processing plants complete the Canadian operations.

In the United States, High Liner Foods is headquartered in Danvers,
Massachusetts and oversees all frozen seafood production and
distribution for the retail, club and food service markets in the USA.
Plants in Portsmouth, New Hampshire; Newport News, Virginia; and
Danvers and Malden, Massachusetts; produce a wide variety of value
added seafood products.

In China, High Liner has a joint venture with a supplier for a primary
processing operation. HighKan Holdings Limited is owned 50% by High
Liner Foods. HighKan in turn owns 80% of Dencan Seafoods Limited,
located in China. Upon the purchase of Icelandic USA, Inc. and certain
other subsidiaries of Icelandic Group hf., High Liner acquired a
primary processing operation in China. These two operations are
engaged in the primary processing of seafood products for High Liner's
North American operations.

> Many Fords come from Mexico. You can
> see the USA in your Chevrolet made in
> Canada.

How to read a Vehicle Identification Number

You can figure out where your vehicle was made and the year model by
looking at its vehicle identification nmber. The VIN also contains other
information about the car. The U.S. government standardized the 17-digit
for the 1981 model year for vehicles sold in the USA.

Note: The letters 'I', 'O' and 'Q' are not used in any vehicle
identification number since 1981.

1st digit: Shows where the vehicle was manufactured. (Of course, there's
no telling where many of the *parts* came from.)

1 or 4 * USA
*******2 * Canada
*******3 * Mexico
*******6 * Australia
*******9 * Brazil
*******J * Japan
*******K * South Korea
*******L * Taiwan
*******S * United Kingdom
*******V * France or Yugoslavia
*******W * Germany
*******Y * Sweden
*******Z * Italy

2nd thru 8th digits: Portrait of the vehicle; Identifies brand, style
and engine size

9th digit: Check digit (whatever _that_ means)

10th digit: Year Designator

A * 1980 * * * * L * 1990 * * * * Y * 2000
B * 1981 * * * * M * 1991 * * * * 1 * 2001
C * 1982 * * * * N * 1992 * * * * 2 * 2002
D * 1983 * * * * P * 1993 * * * * 3 * 2003
E * 1984 * * * * R * 1994 * * * * 4 * 2004
F * 1985 * * * * S * 1995 * * * * 5 * 2005
G * 1986 * * * * T * 1996 * * * * 6 * 2006
H * 1987 * * * * V * 1997 * * * * 7 * 2007
J * 1988 * * * * W * 1998 * * * * 8 * 2008
K * 1989 * * * * X * 1999 * * * * 9 * 2009

In 2010, they started over with ABC:

A 2010 B 2011 C 2012
etc.

11th digit: Tells which plant assembled the vehicle.

Last six digits: Sequential serial number

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 15:54:29 -0500 in rec.food.cooking, Ed Pawlowski
> wrote,
>On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:27:33 -0700, gloria p >
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>I have recently seen a lot of good looking fish in cry-vac packaging
>>labeled "Icelandic" brand. A look at the pack of the packages showed a
>>very small "Product of China" (or Vietnam, Thailand, etc.) That comes
>>close to being fraud in my mind.
>>
>>gloria p
>
>How is honesty close to fraud? I'm familiar with Icelandic Brand and
>they are one of the more reputable seafood companies. Like all the

The big print says "Icelandic"
The small print says "not actually Icelandic but instead Chinese".

If that's not outright fraud, it's at least headed in that direction.
There is NO justification for putting "Icelandic" anywhere on something
with no connection whatsoever to Iceland.

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:05:19 -0800, David Harmon >
wrote:



>
>The big print says "Icelandic"
>The small print says "not actually Icelandic but instead Chinese".
>
>If that's not outright fraud, it's at least headed in that direction.
>There is NO justification for putting "Icelandic" anywhere on something
>with no connection whatsoever to Iceland.

But there is a connection. The company was started in Iceland. Now
they are a part of a global company.

BTW, French Roast coffee does not come from France.

On Monday, March 5, 2012 1:05:19 AM UTC-5, David Harmon wrote:

...

> The big print says "Icelandic"
> The small print says "not actually Icelandic but instead Chinese".
>
> If that's not outright fraud, it's at least headed in that direction.
> There is NO justification for putting "Icelandic" anywhere on something
> with no connection whatsoever to Iceland.

Old Bohemian Beer is brewed in New York. Dodge trucks aren't made in Dodge. the Old Dutch mustard company started in Manhattan, moved to Brooklyn, and then to Great Neck. Most Nova lox was never in Nova Scotia. These, like Icelandic, are brand names, not descriptions of origin. Just don't make unwarranted assumptions.

Real attempts at deception use pseudowords like creme and crispy, which can't be faulted for inaccuracy because have no defined meanings.

Jerry
--
"I view the progress of science as being the slow erosion of the
tendency to dichotomize." Barbara Smuts, U. Mich.

gloria p wrote:
> On 3/4/2012 9:57 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:
>> I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
>> from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
>> have.
>> Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
>> standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
>> North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
>> $8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
>> is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?
>>
>
>
> Of course it matters. We were in SE Asia last fall during the horrific
> floods and kept seeing people line and net fishing in the flood waters
> which were tainted with household sewage and animal waste runoff. I
> wondered whether they were eating the fish or selling it to local
> restaurants. I didn't eat fish on the trip no matter how good it
> looked. I got sick anyway, from the ice in iced coffee, but I did know
> better and took a chance. :-P
>
> I have recently seen a lot of good looking fish in cry-vac packaging
> labeled "Icelandic" brand. A look at the pack of the packages showed a
> very small "Product of China" (or Vietnam, Thailand, etc.) That comes
> close to being fraud in my mind.
>
> gloria p

Hmmm. Can't be too careful, it seems. I am a label-reader, but I
might well have assumed that "Icelandic" brand meant it was from
Iceland.

I often wonder about the water things are packed in, and precisely
what "organic" means, especially when the food comes from
contaminated, polluted, etc. areas.

--
Jean B.

On Mar 4, 8:57*am, A Moose in Love > wrote:
> I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> from Chinese caught fish. *It was. * *The same for the cod that I now
> have.
> Are we asking too much? *Is fish from China lousy? *Are their
> standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> North America? *I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> $8.99 per pound. *Frozen. *I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> is it from? *Who ran the trawlers? *Does it matter?

My previous job was with a freight forwarder/importer, and one of
their biggest customers is a major seafood company. I am sorry to say
that the fish is caught in Alaska or close by, and then sent to China
for processing. I guess all that is cheaper than using American
workers- sad, huh?

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:29:15 -0800 (PST), merryb >
wrote:

> My previous job was with a freight forwarder/importer, and one of
> their biggest customers is a major seafood company. I am sorry to say
> that the fish is caught in Alaska or close by, and then sent to China
> for processing. I guess all that is cheaper than using American
> workers- sad, huh?

Unfortunately, that's the way it is... same with lumber from what I
understand. It's cheaper to send the wood on two trans-Pacific
cruises than it is to use American labor to mill it here.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:29:15 -0800 (PST), merryb >
> wrote:
>
>> My previous job was with a freight forwarder/importer, and one of
>> their biggest customers is a major seafood company. I am sorry to say
>> that the fish is caught in Alaska or close by, and then sent to China
>> for processing. I guess all that is cheaper than using American
>> workers- sad, huh?
>
> Unfortunately, that's the way it is... same with lumber from what I
> understand. It's cheaper to send the wood on two trans-Pacific
> cruises than it is to use American labor to mill it here.
>
> --
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

That goes all the way back to the 70's. We bought six dining room
chairs we were told were Canadian mahogany. When we got them home and
uncrated them, they were stamped made in China on the underside......Sharon

On Mar 4, 12:55*pm, "biig" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:29:15 -0800 (PST), merryb >
> > wrote:
>
> >> My previous job was with a freight forwarder/importer, and one of
> >> their biggest customers is a major seafood company. I am sorry to say
> >> that the fish is caught in Alaska or close by, and then sent to China
> >> for processing. I guess all that is cheaper than using American
> >> workers- sad, huh?
>
> > Unfortunately, that's the way it is... same with lumber from what I
> > understand. *It's cheaper to send the wood on two trans-Pacific
> > cruises than it is to use American labor to mill it here.
>
> > --
> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> * * That goes all the way back to the 70's. *We bought six dining room
> chairs we were told were Canadian mahogany. *When we got them home and
> uncrated them, they were stamped made in China on the underside......Sharon

We have been doing a little home remodeling- trying to find stuff that
is not made in China is getting harder to find. LOL- my husband just
got home from Ace Hardware this very minute and is griping about not
being able to find plumbing stuff not made in China.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:07:50 -0800 (PST), merryb >
wrote:


>
>We have been doing a little home remodeling- trying to find stuff that
>is not made in China is getting harder to find. LOL- my husband just
>got home from Ace Hardware this very minute and is griping about not
>being able to find plumbing stuff not made in China.

Can be done. Just follow the links. You may not find the stuff at ACE
though. Try a real plumbing supply house and you may do better.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Econo...ry?id=14719487

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business...-america-home/


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Plumber Putty

Hercules

NJ



Wax rings

Hercules

NJ



Thread Dope

Hercules

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Plumber tape

Smith/Cooper

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Black pipe

RJB Wholesale, Inc

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Black pipe fittings

Anvil International

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Gastite pipe and fittings

Gastite

MA



Solder Flux

Rectorseal

TX



Solder

Exeon Inc.

IL



Copper Pipe

Cerro Flow Products Inc.

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Elkhart Products Corp.

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Allthread Rod

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Pipe Brackets

C&S Manufacturing

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Condensate Pump

Franklin Electric

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On 3/4/2012 4:07 PM, merryb wrote:
> On Mar 4, 12:55 pm, > wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:29:15 -0800 (PST), >
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> My previous job was with a freight forwarder/importer, and one of
>>>> their biggest customers is a major seafood company. I am sorry to say
>>>> that the fish is caught in Alaska or close by, and then sent to China
>>>> for processing. I guess all that is cheaper than using American
>>>> workers- sad, huh?
>>
>>> Unfortunately, that's the way it is... same with lumber from what I
>>> understand. It's cheaper to send the wood on two trans-Pacific
>>> cruises than it is to use American labor to mill it here.
>>
>>> --
>>> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>>
>> That goes all the way back to the 70's. We bought six dining room
>> chairs we were told were Canadian mahogany. When we got them home and
>> uncrated them, they were stamped made in China on the underside......Sharon
>
> We have been doing a little home remodeling- trying to find stuff that
> is not made in China is getting harder to find. LOL- my husband just
> got home from Ace Hardware this very minute and is griping about not
> being able to find plumbing stuff not made in China.

If you want to buy say plumbing stuff not made in China the best bet
would be a real supply house.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:57:57 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> wrote:

>I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
>from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
>have.
>Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
>standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
>North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
>$8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
>is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?

It matters to me, at least.

Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.

On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:

> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.

I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
all my groceries there.

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 14:46:27 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>
>I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
>expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
>they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
>told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
>go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
>all my groceries there.

That's what I would do too Dave.

I don't buy much food - or at least not much
mass-produced/manufactured/packaged food as we mostly grow our own and
trade with others locally here - but of course we can't do that with
everything.

For those items that we do need to buy sometimes - tomato paste or
frozen peas for example, it's becoming increasingly harder to buy
Australian made. Frequently the label will say it's made from
'imported' product without any further elaboration... when I see that,
I just assume it's from an undesirable source and give it a miss.

All this imported product is also killing the local industries too of
course, another reason to avoid it. It's nearly impossible to even buy
locally grown oranges here now, which seems incredible given how huge
the industry once was here. And the imported product is utter crap
unfortunately.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
news
> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>
> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce they
> were stalking.

LOL Or stocking

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>
> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
> all my groceries there.

Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?

--
Jean B.

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>
>Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
>more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
>basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
>emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?

That is what happens when we want blueberries in January,

Think back though, all of our lives, bananas have been very common in
the market and they come from other countries. The US farmer also
makes a lot of money by shipping our crops, especially wheat, to other
countries around the world.

When we think of orange juice, most of us have been brainwashed by
advertising to think of Florida. Look at the label on the container
next time. If not for imported juice, a bottle of OJ could cost a lot
more.

Food is no different than other commodities. We all complain about
imported goods, but we all want that big screen TV at the lowest
possible price.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
> >
> >Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
> >more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
> >basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
> >emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>
> That is what happens when we want blueberries in January,
>
> Think back though, all of our lives, bananas have been very common in
> the market and they come from other countries. The US farmer also
> makes a lot of money by shipping our crops, especially wheat, to other
> countries around the world.
>
> When we think of orange juice, most of us have been brainwashed by
> advertising to think of Florida. Look at the label on the container
> next time. If not for imported juice, a bottle of OJ could cost a lot
> more.
>
> Food is no different than other commodities. We all complain about
> imported goods, but we all want that big screen TV at the lowest
> possible price.

As I mentioned in another thread, it's a global economy now. If someone can
do it cheaper, they will win. I can buy shrimp caught only 50 miles from
me... OR I can buy shrimp imported from South America for about 1/3 the
price. I've tried both and the South American ones taste just as good to me.
Sorry there North Carolina, you lose.

Gary

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
> >
> >Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
> >more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
> >basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
> >emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>
> That is what happens when we want blueberries in January,

A good amount of winter produce comes from Mexico, Central, and South
America. And lets talk wine, Chilean is pretty good right now.

> Think back though, all of our lives, bananas have been very common in
> the market and they come from other countries. The US farmer also
> makes a lot of money by shipping our crops, especially wheat, to other
> countries around the world.

Yes, the two prime U.S. exports are wheat and corn. But those Florida
Orange, they still grow them, they just get a better price by exporting.
And I note most navel oranges on the shelves here are from Califronia
and Mexico.

> When we think of orange juice, most of us have been brainwashed by
> advertising to think of Florida. Look at the label on the container
> next time. If not for imported juice, a bottle of OJ could cost a lot
> more.
>
> Food is no different than other commodities. We all complain about
> imported goods, but we all want that big screen TV at the lowest
> possible price.

Which is the phenomenon that allowed big box retailing to flourish. I am
just old enough to remember that when you wanted a specialty item for
purchase, you had to go to the nearest major city to get it.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
>> more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
>> basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
>> emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>
> That is what happens when we want blueberries in January,
>
> Think back though, all of our lives, bananas have been very common in
> the market and they come from other countries. The US farmer also
> makes a lot of money by shipping our crops, especially wheat, to other
> countries around the world.
>
> When we think of orange juice, most of us have been brainwashed by
> advertising to think of Florida. Look at the label on the container
> next time. If not for imported juice, a bottle of OJ could cost a lot
> more.
>
> Food is no different than other commodities. We all complain about
> imported goods, but we all want that big screen TV at the lowest
> possible price.

Well, I don't... or didn't. Now I do have to bend sometimes or
else eat in season, which, intellectually I know is best. And
yes, where do we draw the line? At China is... I was going to
say relatively easy, but then it becomes increasingly difficult as
more foods emanate from there.

And, as you say, tropical (or semitropical) fruits come from
elsewhere. BTW, they have been available for a LONG time. In
fact, some fruits (and other foods) that we don't see nowadays or
have begun to see relatively recently (at least here in NE) were
readily available a century or more ago. (I have some marketing
tomes from 1911 and before.) Such things astonish me.

--
Jean B.

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:42:09 -0600, Andy > wrote:


>Any tomatoes called Jersey tomatoes without the "Jersey Fresh" sticker
>are fakes.
>
>Years ago New Jersey held it's first (and next to last) tomato festival.
>"Jersey Fresh" tomatoes were only allowed. It served as a customer
>awareness "statement."
>
>Jersey Fresh tomatoes are big and firm and mildly sweet with crunch. I
>eat them like apples. Some folks even salt them before gobbling them up.
>
>The Jersey Fresh tomato harvest is only available for a short time, late
>July to maybe early September.
>
>Andy

Oh, how I miss them. In season, they used to get down to 4 lbs. for a
dollar on the street corner. There were a few hucksters that had
fresh Jersey produce picked that morning. Blueberries, peaches,
cantaloupe that just were tops. The sandy soil made the difference.

Andy > wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> When we think of orange juice, most of us have been brainwashed by
>> advertising to think of Florida. Look at the label on the container
>> next time. If not for imported juice, a bottle of OJ could cost a lot
>> more.
>
>
> A similar "gotcha" happened to New Jersey. Being famously known for
> "Jersey tomatoes." What happened (and continues to happen) is that
> tomatoes grown in Florida are shipped to New Jersey and then distributed
> as Jersey tomatoes, bearing absolutely no resemblance to a grown in
> Jersey tomato.
>
> That upset local growers so much so that they formed the "Jersey Fresh"
> commission (?) and created "Jersey Fresh" posters and stickers applied to
> the famous Jersey tomatoes.
>
> Any tomatoes called Jersey tomatoes without the "Jersey Fresh" sticker
> are fakes.
>
> Years ago New Jersey held it's first (and next to last) tomato festival.
> "Jersey Fresh" tomatoes were only allowed. It served as a customer
> awareness "statement."
>
> Jersey Fresh tomatoes are big and firm and mildly sweet with crunch. I
> eat them like apples. Some folks even salt them before gobbling them up.
>
> The Jersey Fresh tomato harvest is only available for a short time, late
> July to maybe early September.
>
> Andy

I HATE STICKERS ON PRODUCE !!!!!!!!

Greg

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>>
>> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
>> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
>> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
>> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
>> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
>> all my groceries there.
>
>Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
>more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
>basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
>emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?

Agreed, more people need to vote with their wallets and buy locally
produced food from local businesses.

That's what I do these days. Not doing this can only perpetuate the
current trends. I know it gets hard for those on limited incomes to
resist lower prices, but I often wonder just how hard they are really
trying (not all of course).

It's insane how product is shipped overseas, then comes back again to
the state or country or origin. Not to mention the loss of local
employment and infrastructure.

On Mar 6, 4:32*pm, Jeßus > wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
> >Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
> >>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
> >>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
> >>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
> >>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>
> >> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
> >> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
> >> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
> >> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
> >> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
> >> all my groceries there.
>
> >Sounds like a good thing to voice. *I think it is crazy to become
> >more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
> >basics, and especially China. *Also, how about foods that may
> >emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>
> Agreed, more people need to vote with their wallets and buy locally
> produced food from local businesses.
>
> That's what I do these days. Not doing this can only perpetuate the
> current trends. I know it gets hard for those on limited incomes to
> resist lower prices, but I often wonder just how hard they are really
> trying (not all of course).
>
> It's insane how product is shipped overseas, then comes back again to
> the state or country or origin. Not to mention the loss of local
> employment and infrastructure.

We have lost much work here. Arrow shirts, John Forsythe shirts, Huck
glove, many meat packers; the only one left is Schneiders, and it is
now only a distribution center, all of our rubber is gone, 3 Uniroyal
plants, BF Goodrich, Goodyear tire, textiles are gone, leather
tanning went a long time ago. but still in this region, the economy
is chirping along. you just need to be very skilled, and you'll make
out. having said that, the larger machine shops are/have been
restructured, and many metal workers are out of work. RIM, is not
doing so good, although it used to be primo. There was a time, when
you could get out of school with a grade 10 education, and make decent
money; about $25 in today's wages. not any more. Even RMS (an
independent arm of Uniroyal; they worked in conjunction with Uniroyal
tire on Strange street; Rubber Machinery Shops) has shut down. And
they had very skilled machinist/fitters working there. One of our
best automation tooling plants was going along very well. The owner
controlled the majority of shares (he started repairing dies in his
garage, and worked it up to a $100 million company) always made sure
that in bad times, his good workers never got laid off. Then he died,
and the bean counters took over. They started putting up communist
style banners all over the shop such as 'Every Day is a New Day', and
laid off the weekend shift, laid off the night shift, canned the
machine shop foreman (who brought much to the company) etc.

Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:17:12 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>>>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>>>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>>>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>>> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
>>> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
>>> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
>>> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
>>> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
>>> all my groceries there.
>> Sounds like a good thing to voice. I think it is crazy to become
>> more and more dependent on other countries for food--especially
>> basics, and especially China. Also, how about foods that may
>> emanate from the area affected by Chernobyl, etc., etc.?
>
> Agreed, more people need to vote with their wallets and buy locally
> produced food from local businesses.
>
> That's what I do these days. Not doing this can only perpetuate the
> current trends. I know it gets hard for those on limited incomes to
> resist lower prices, but I often wonder just how hard they are really
> trying (not all of course).
>
> It's insane how product is shipped overseas, then comes back again to
> the state or country or origin. Not to mention the loss of local
> employment and infrastructure.

Yup. As I think I have said before, I am shopping at smaller and
smaller farms, trying to help keep them afloat. Last year, I was
giving as much business as possible to a tiny ramshackle place
that actually grew much of its own fruit. It was soooo good. I
am a bit afraid he may have finally sold out to a developer, but
it is hard to tell, because his stand is in such a state of disrepair.

There was another tiny place up the road with a very eccentric and
interesting character who did the farming and would show up in the
shop. He had lovely currants, which he grew. I think he died, or
suffered some catastrophe, because he seems to be gone.

--
Jean B.

On 3/4/2012 2:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>
> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
> all my groceries there.


We voted for that sort of thing when we cheered for walmart. So now
other stores emulate them.

George wrote:
> On 3/4/2012 2:46 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 04/03/2012 2:43 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
>>> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
>>> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
>>> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.
>>
>> I had a talk with the produce manager are our local grocery store and
>> expressed my concerns about the increasing amount of Chinese produce
>> they were stalking. His answer was that the Chinese have to eat too.I
>> told him that I would not buy produce from China, and that if I had to
>> go to a different store to get non-Chinese produce I would be getting
>> all my groceries there.
>
>
> We voted for that sort of thing when we cheered for walmart. So now
> other stores emulate them.
>
I never "cheered for walmart."

--
Jean B.

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 06:43:24 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:57:57 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> > wrote:
>
> >I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> >from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
> >have.
> >Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
> >standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> >North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> >$8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> >is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?
>
> It matters to me, at least.
>
> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.

I hear ya loud & clear! Ditto.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Jeßus wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:57:57 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> > wrote:
>
>> I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
>>from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
>> have.
>> Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
>> standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
>> North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
>> $8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
>> is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?
>
> It matters to me, at least.
>
> Aside from general pollution concerns, when you have fake plastic rice
> and eggs, melamine adulterated milk, bleached mushrooms, bean sprouts
> grown with antibiotics, etc. all coming from the one place... well,
> I'd rather just steer clear of any foods from there.

Yup. My daughter and I went to a couple of Asian markets today.
I was looking at the provenance of various items, thinking Taiwan
was a definite plus. I am very wary of things from the PRC.

--
Jean B.

A Moose in Love wrote:
> I didn't think that the sole that I bought; Capt. Highliner brand was
> from Chinese caught fish. It was. The same for the cod that I now
> have.
> Are we asking too much? Is fish from China lousy? Are their
> standards, factory trawler standards inferior to the standards of
> North America? I've spotted some wild pacific salmon in the store for
> $8.99 per pound. Frozen. I've no problem with frozen fish, but where
> is it from? Who ran the trawlers? Does it matter?


water pollution is bad enough in China that you'd be crazy to eat
anything produced there


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/wo...fish.html?_r=1


Fuqing is one of the centers of a booming industry that over two
decades has transformed this country into the biggest producer and
exporter of seafood in the world, and the fastest-growing supplier to
the United States.

But that growth is threatened by the two most glaring environmental
weaknesses in China: acute water shortages and water supplies
contaminated by sewage, industrial waste and agricultural runoff that
includes pesticides. The fish farms, in turn, are discharging wastewater
that further pollutes the water supply.

"Our waters here are filthy," said Ye Chao, an eel and shrimp farmer
who has 20 giant ponds in western Fuqing. "There are simply too many
aquaculture farms in this area. They're all discharging water here,
fouling up other farms."

Farmers have coped with the toxic waters by mixing illegal veterinary
drugs and pesticides into fish feed, which helps keep their stocks
alive yet leaves poisonous and carcinogenic residues in seafood,
posing health threats to consumers.


I doubt things have improved in the last five years...