He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp

ImStillMags > wrote in news:114f76de-4efe-
:

> He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.

His point is valid:

"Would I rather eat cruelly raised, polluting, unhealthful
chicken, or a plant product that’s nutritionally similar or
superior, good enough to fool me and requires no antibiotics,
cutting off of heads or other nasty things? Isn’t it preferable,
at least some of the time, to eat plant products mixed with water
that have been put through a thingamajiggy that spews out
meatlike stuff, instead of eating those same plant products put
into a chicken that does its biomechanical thing for the six
weeks of its miserable existence, only to have its throat cut in
the service of yielding barely distinguishable meat?

"Why, in other words, use the poor chicken as a machine to
produce meat when you can use a machine to produce “meat” that
seems like chicken?

"I love good chicken, but most of the chicken we eat doesn’t
qualify, and the question becomes more compelling as meat
imitators gain sophistication."

What he is saying is that between meat as an inferior product and
vegetable matter which passes quite readily as meat, the
vegetable matter is preferable, especially as nutritionally it is
virtually identical.

--

"Dissent is what rescues democracy from a
quiet death behind closed doors." -- Lewis
H. Lapham

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 08:23:24 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp

I would try it.
Janet US

ImStillMags > wrote:

>He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp

Lots of the fake meats and cheeses that I've been playing with the
last year or so have been failures. [both purchased ones and home made
ones]

But I did a vegan buffalo chicken 'nuggets' that was excellent- corn
dogs that were as good as the ballparks-- and home made Italian
sausage that got raves from 4 diehard carnivores so far. None
have been able to name the meat in them- and when I tell them it is
wheat, they can't believe it. [and won't eat any more of that
'vegan stuff']

I'll be eating more tofu now that I see the variety [spices, textures,
smoked. . .] and price of it in the Asian markets. So far I've had
better luck using grains to simulate the texture of meat.

A lot of it is mind over matter. I like sausage. Fake meat sausage
is healthier than pork-- so I can eat more of it. Works for me.

Jim

"Jim Elbrecht" > wrote in message
...
> ImStillMags > wrote:
>
>>He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>>
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp
>
> Lots of the fake meats and cheeses that I've been playing with the
> last year or so have been failures. [both purchased ones and home made
> ones]
>
> But I did a vegan buffalo chicken 'nuggets' that was excellent- corn
> dogs that were as good as the ballparks-- and home made Italian
> sausage that got raves from 4 diehard carnivores so far. None
> have been able to name the meat in them- and when I tell them it is
> wheat, they can't believe it. [and won't eat any more of that
> 'vegan stuff']
>
> I'll be eating more tofu now that I see the variety [spices, textures,
> smoked. . .] and price of it in the Asian markets. So far I've had
> better luck using grains to simulate the texture of meat.
>
> A lot of it is mind over matter. I like sausage. Fake meat sausage
> is healthier than pork-- so I can eat more of it. Works for me.
>
> Jim


Maybe your friends just don't know the difference between a soy product and
actual meat I've got nothing against soy, mind you. But trust me, I
could tell the difference. The texture is completely different. I tried
some of those Garden Burgers. They weren't bad, but they definitely weren't
meat. I've tried soy breakfast sausages, too. Nope, no cigar.

Jill

On 3/11/2012 11:23 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp

To you and Jill: don't knock it till uou taste it. As for myself, if
it's anything like chicken, it's not for me.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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"Jerry Avins" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/11/2012 11:23 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>> He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp
>
> To you and Jill: don't knock it till uou taste it. As for myself, if it's
> anything like chicken, it's not for me.
>
> Jerry
> --

Yet another reason not to try fake chicken! I don't really care for
chicken. I make some chicken dishes on occasion, sure. But it's not my
favourite thing. So I certainly wouldn't eat a soy version of it. I'm
definitely not going to taste it (assuming I could even find it where I
live).

Jill

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 08:23:24 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp

I've eaten soy products that would be hard to tell were not what they
were mimicking if you didn't know already what it was.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:09:30 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

> A lot of it is mind over matter. I like sausage. Fake meat sausage
> is healthier than pork-- so I can eat more of it. Works for me.

Sounds interesting, but what is the carb count in the wheat based
stuff? I guess it wouldn't be good for people with gluten intolerance
problems either.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:09:30 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
wrote:

>ImStillMags > wrote:
>
>>He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>>
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp
>
>Lots of the fake meats and cheeses that I've been playing with the
>last year or so have been failures. [both purchased ones and home made
>ones]
>
>But I did a vegan buffalo chicken 'nuggets' that was excellent- corn
>dogs that were as good as the ballparks-- and home made Italian
>sausage that got raves from 4 diehard carnivores so far. None
>have been able to name the meat in them- and when I tell them it is
>wheat, they can't believe it. [and won't eat any more of that
>'vegan stuff']
>
>I'll be eating more tofu now that I see the variety [spices, textures,
>smoked. . .] and price of it in the Asian markets. So far I've had
>better luck using grains to simulate the texture of meat.
>
>A lot of it is mind over matter. I like sausage. Fake meat sausage
>is healthier than pork-- so I can eat more of it. Works for me.

Why would fake sausage meat be healthier?

On Mar 11, 12:42*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:09:30 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
> wrote:
>
> > A lot of it is mind over matter. * *I like sausage. *Fake meat sausage
> > is healthier than pork-- so I can eat more of it. * *Works for me.
>
> Sounds interesting, but what is the carb count in the wheat based
> stuff? *I guess it wouldn't be good for people with gluten intolerance
> problems either.
>
> --
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

If the products are made from US grown soy, it's GMO. As is the
wheat. I prefer not to put
that stuff in my body.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:41:59 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>On Mar 11, 12:42*pm, sf > wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:09:30 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > A lot of it is mind over matter. * *I like sausage. *Fake meat sausage
>> > is healthier than pork-- so I can eat more of it. * *Works for me.
>>
>> Sounds interesting, but what is the carb count in the wheat based
>> stuff? *I guess it wouldn't be good for people with gluten intolerance
>> problems either.
>>
>
>If the products are made from US grown soy, it's GMO. As is the
>wheat. I prefer not to put
>that stuff in my body.

Agreed. Fake meat or imitation anything is just anathema to me, it's
bound to have questionable ingredients. If I have a problem with some
meat, or any other food, I just don't bother with it at all, including
trying to imitate it. I'd move on and eat something else.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:41:59 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

> On Mar 11, 12:42*pm, sf > wrote:
> > On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:09:30 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A lot of it is mind over matter. * *I like sausage. *Fake meat sausage
> > > is healthier than pork-- so I can eat more of it. * *Works for me.
> >
> > Sounds interesting, but what is the carb count in the wheat based
> > stuff? *I guess it wouldn't be good for people with gluten intolerance
> > problems either.
> >
> > --
> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> If the products are made from US grown soy, it's GMO. As is the
> wheat. I prefer not to put
> that stuff in my body.

I can't tell you any of that. I've only eaten it when someone has
served it to me, I've never bought it and wouldn't even know where to
look.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:29:02 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

> Why would fake sausage meat be healthier?

I lacks animal fats.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:08:27 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:29:02 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> Why would fake sausage meat be healthier?
>
>I lacks animal fats.

I thought that might be it. If the fat is from a free
range/organically fed animal, I have no problem with that at all.
I love saturated fats!

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:24:17 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:08:27 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:29:02 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
> >
> >> Why would fake sausage meat be healthier?
> >
> >It lacks animal fats.
>
> I thought that might be it. If the fat is from a free
> range/organically fed animal, I have no problem with that at all.
> I love saturated fats!

Then you have no reason to even think about it. There are people
whose doctors have told them to limit saturated fats, especially
animal fats, and they are the people who would consider it.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:

>I can't tell you any of that. I've only eaten it when someone has
>served it to me, I've never bought it and wouldn't even know where to
>look.

Natural-foods stores are the best place.

On 2012-03-11 16:09:30 +0000, Jim Elbrecht said:

> ImStillMags > wrote:
>
>> He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp
>>
>
> Lots of the fake meats and cheeses that I've been playing with the
> last year or so have been failures. [both purchased ones and home made
> ones]
>
> But I did a vegan buffalo chicken 'nuggets' that was excellent- corn
> dogs that were as good as the ballparks-- and home made Italian
> sausage that got raves from 4 diehard carnivores so far. None
> have been able to name the meat in them- and when I tell them it is
> wheat, they can't believe it. [and won't eat any more of that
> 'vegan stuff']

I've been eating _more_ meat (beef, pork, chicken, lamb, and seafood)
and _less_ wheat/rice/beans/carbs than ever.

(Some call it the paleo diet. Some call it other things. But, fact is,
we humans spent 98% of the last half million years of our evolution
eating what we could gather or hunt or fish for or scavenge for along
the seashore. We had no wheat or rice or corn or other grains and
legumes until about the last 10,000 years, an eyeblink in terms of our
evolution.)

Some say eating carbs makes us fat....something my mother knew 50 years
ago (until in her later years she was seduced by the "low-fat"
drumbeat).

>
> I'll be eating more tofu now that I see the variety [spices, textures,
> smoked. . .] and price of it in the Asian markets. So far I've had
> better luck using grains to simulate the texture of meat.

Tofu is also a grain-based product that spikes the glycemic index.

>
> A lot of it is mind over matter. I like sausage. Fake meat sausage
> is healthier than pork-- so I can eat more of it. Works for me.

Many of us are now cooking with bacon fat, when available, or lard
(real lard, not the vegetable oil product now widely sold as lard).

But we don't need to convince you to change.

--
Tim May

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:54:18 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:24:17 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:08:27 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:29:02 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Why would fake sausage meat be healthier?
>> >
>> >It lacks animal fats.
>>
>> I thought that might be it. If the fat is from a free
>> range/organically fed animal, I have no problem with that at all.
>> I love saturated fats!
>
>Then you have no reason to even think about it.

I can't even think about it?

>There are people
>whose doctors have told them to limit saturated fats, especially
>animal fats, and they are the people who would consider it.

They would, but I'm just not a fan of imitation/substitutes, as a rule
(keeping in mind rules are made to be broken .

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:27:51 -0700, Tim May > wrote:

>I've been eating _more_ meat (beef, pork, chicken, lamb, and seafood)
>and _less_ wheat/rice/beans/carbs than ever.
>
>(Some call it the paleo diet. Some call it other things. But, fact is,
>we humans spent 98% of the last half million years of our evolution
>eating what we could gather or hunt or fish for or scavenge for along
>the seashore. We had no wheat or rice or corn or other grains and
>legumes until about the last 10,000 years, an eyeblink in terms of our
>evolution.)

Exactly. 10000 years isn't a great deal of time for us to adapt to
eating grass seeds, so little wonder so many people have intolerance
to many grains. I would add to that there is a huge percentage of the
population that are unaware that they have an intolerance to grains.

I know in my case, I went on a low carb diet back in 2003 and felt so
much better within a short time, that's how I found out wheat in
particular is something I should avoid.

>Some say eating carbs makes us fat....something my mother knew 50 years
>ago (until in her later years she was seduced by the "low-fat"
>drumbeat).

Thing is, carbs were scarce back when we were hunter-gatherers.
Nowadays, we have huge quantities available, so it's little wonder
obesity is so widespread, compounded by lack of exercise. ONE day the
all too conservative medical community will catch up.

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:54:03 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:54:18 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:24:17 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:08:27 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:29:02 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Why would fake sausage meat be healthier?
> >> >
> >> >It lacks animal fats.
> >>
> >> I thought that might be it. If the fat is from a free
> >> range/organically fed animal, I have no problem with that at all.
> >> I love saturated fats!
> >
> >Then you have no reason to even think about it.
>
> I can't even think about it?

Don't bother your pretty little head with such things, my dear.
>
> >There are people
> >whose doctors have told them to limit saturated fats, especially
> >animal fats, and they are the people who would consider it.
>
> They would, but I'm just not a fan of imitation/substitutes, as a rule

Life is a balancing game and it seems like genetics is your friend.

> (keeping in mind rules are made to be broken .

You should keep on doing what you're doing because you're doing just
fine doing it your way.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 2012-03-12 08:06:37 +0000, Jeßus said:
>
> Exactly. 10000 years isn't a great deal of time for us to adapt to
> eating grass seeds, so little wonder so many people have intolerance
> to many grains. I would add to that there is a huge percentage of the
> population that are unaware that they have an intolerance to grains.
>
> I know in my case, I went on a low carb diet back in 2003 and felt so
> much better within a short time, that's how I found out wheat in
> particular is something I should avoid.

I don't believe I have any grain intolerance, or gluten intolerance,
but it's way too easy to eat way too many carbs. (Plates of pasta and
rice are just so plentiful and easy to prepare!)

So I avoid buying bread, rice, cookies, etc. And I avoid buying soft
drinks, juices, etc. (I buy whole fruits, and I grow citrus and
avocadoes, so I eat those. My understanding is that the whole fruits
have not had the same conversion of types of sugars into other types of
sugars....and, unlike many fruit juices, they obviously haven't been
"fortified" with even more sugar.)
>
>> Some say eating carbs makes us fat....something my mother knew 50 years
>> ago (until in her later years she was seduced by the "low-fat"
>> drumbeat).
>
> Thing is, carbs were scarce back when we were hunter-gatherers.
> Nowadays, we have huge quantities available, so it's little wonder
> obesity is so widespread, compounded by lack of exercise. ONE day the
> all too conservative medical community will catch up.

One interesting piece of advice is "shop on the edges of the
supermarket." That is, the fruits and vegetables, the meats, as these
are the areas with some refrigeration or freezers. (Trader Joe's breaks
this model, as a lot of the frozen stuff is in the center of the store.)

The packages, cans, cereals, baked items are usually in the interior.



--
Tim May

"Tim May" > wrote in message
news:2012031214375440343-tcmay@attnet...
> On 2012-03-12 08:06:37 +0000, Jeßus said:
>>
>> Exactly. 10000 years isn't a great deal of time for us to adapt to
>> eating grass seeds, so little wonder so many people have intolerance
>> to many grains. I would add to that there is a huge percentage of the
>> population that are unaware that they have an intolerance to grains.
>>
>> I know in my case, I went on a low carb diet back in 2003 and felt so
>> much better within a short time, that's how I found out wheat in
>> particular is something I should avoid.
>
> I don't believe I have any grain intolerance, or gluten intolerance, but
> it's way too easy to eat way too many carbs. (Plates of pasta and rice are
> just so plentiful and easy to prepare!)
>
> So I avoid buying bread, rice, cookies, etc. And I avoid buying soft
> drinks, juices, etc. (I buy whole fruits, and I grow citrus and avocadoes,
> so I eat those. My understanding is that the whole fruits have not had the
> same conversion of types of sugars into other types of sugars....and,
> unlike many fruit juices, they obviously haven't been "fortified" with
> even more sugar.)
>>
>>> Some say eating carbs makes us fat....something my mother knew 50 years
>>> ago (until in her later years she was seduced by the "low-fat"
>>> drumbeat).
>>
>> Thing is, carbs were scarce back when we were hunter-gatherers.
>> Nowadays, we have huge quantities available, so it's little wonder
>> obesity is so widespread, compounded by lack of exercise. ONE day the
>> all too conservative medical community will catch up.
>
> One interesting piece of advice is "shop on the edges of the supermarket."
> That is, the fruits and vegetables, the meats, as these are the areas with
> some refrigeration or freezers. (Trader Joe's breaks this model, as a lot
> of the frozen stuff is in the center of the store.)
>
> The packages, cans, cereals, baked items are usually in the interior.

Most of the stores where I shop have the freezer stuff in the middle.

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 06:22:47 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:54:03 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:54:18 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:24:17 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:08:27 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:29:02 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Why would fake sausage meat be healthier?
>> >> >
>> >> >It lacks animal fats.
>> >>
>> >> I thought that might be it. If the fat is from a free
>> >> range/organically fed animal, I have no problem with that at all.
>> >> I love saturated fats!
>> >
>> >Then you have no reason to even think about it.
>>
>> I can't even think about it?
>
>Don't bother your pretty little head with such things, my dear.

OK then... don't wanna strain the 'ol noggin too much

>> >There are people
>> >whose doctors have told them to limit saturated fats, especially
>> >animal fats, and they are the people who would consider it.
>>
>> They would, but I'm just not a fan of imitation/substitutes, as a rule
>
>Life is a balancing game and it seems like genetics is your friend.
>
>> (keeping in mind rules are made to be broken .
>
>You should keep on doing what you're doing because you're doing just
>fine doing it your way.

Yep. Which reminds me, might be time for my yearly check up.

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:37:54 -0700, Tim May > wrote:

>On 2012-03-12 08:06:37 +0000, Jeßus said:
>>
>> Exactly. 10000 years isn't a great deal of time for us to adapt to
>> eating grass seeds, so little wonder so many people have intolerance
>> to many grains. I would add to that there is a huge percentage of the
>> population that are unaware that they have an intolerance to grains.
>>
>> I know in my case, I went on a low carb diet back in 2003 and felt so
>> much better within a short time, that's how I found out wheat in
>> particular is something I should avoid.
>
>I don't believe I have any grain intolerance, or gluten intolerance,
>but it's way too easy to eat way too many carbs. (Plates of pasta and
>rice are just so plentiful and easy to prepare!)

So very true.

I'm pretty much weaned off big carb cravings after all these years of
low carbing, although sometimes I crave some nice mashed potato, or
fresh baked sourdough, and even rice sometimes.
I just keep it all in moderation.

>So I avoid buying bread, rice, cookies, etc. And I avoid buying soft
>drinks, juices, etc. (I buy whole fruits, and I grow citrus and
>avocadoes, so I eat those. My understanding is that the whole fruits
>have not had the same conversion of types of sugars into other types of
>sugars....and, unlike many fruit juices, they obviously haven't been
>"fortified" with even more sugar.)

Same here. Very little enters my kitchen that is packaged.

Aside from growing/hunting most of my own food, or trading with
locals, most of what I actually buy are delicatessen items or coffee,
tea... some fruit and sugar for home brewing.
Stuff like that.

As for fruit, I tend to agree with you sugar conversions and
pretty much eat as much fruit as I like.

>>> Some say eating carbs makes us fat....something my mother knew 50 years
>>> ago (until in her later years she was seduced by the "low-fat"
>>> drumbeat).
>>
>> Thing is, carbs were scarce back when we were hunter-gatherers.
>> Nowadays, we have huge quantities available, so it's little wonder
>> obesity is so widespread, compounded by lack of exercise. ONE day the
>> all too conservative medical community will catch up.
>
>One interesting piece of advice is "shop on the edges of the
>supermarket." That is, the fruits and vegetables, the meats, as these
>are the areas with some refrigeration or freezers. (Trader Joe's breaks
>this model, as a lot of the frozen stuff is in the center of the store.)
>
>The packages, cans, cereals, baked items are usually in the interior.

Yes indeedy... avoid packaged goods and you are likely on the right
track, if one is concerned with such things.

On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:12:50 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> Most of the stores where I shop have the freezer stuff in the middle.

Ditto.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 3/11/2012 9:23 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp


I wouldn't knock it until I had tasted it.

With countries with high populations becoming more wealthy, they become
competitors for meat supply. Between chicken salmonella and mad cow
beef, it may mot be that long before many people are looking for a
satisfying, safer substitute.

gloria p

gloria p wrote:

>> He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp

>I wouldn't knock it until I had tasted it.

Sorry, but that's too pragmatic a viewpoint for this group.

>With countries with high populations becoming more wealthy, they become
>competitors for meat supply. Between chicken salmonella and mad cow
>beef, it may mot be that long before many people are looking for a
>satisfying, safer substitute.

I think Bittman is very credible and I buy his analysis. I too would
be interested in trying that stuff if it ever comes to market.

George wrote:

> gloria p wrote:
>
>>> He is actually praising fake chicken. Um, NO.
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/op...eating.html?hp
>
>> I wouldn't knock it until I had tasted it.
>
> Sorry, but that's too pragmatic a viewpoint for this group.
>
>> With countries with high populations becoming more wealthy, they become
>> competitors for meat supply. Between chicken salmonella and mad cow
>> beef, it may mot be that long before many people are looking for a
>> satisfying, safer substitute.
>
> I think Bittman is very credible and I buy his analysis. I too would
> be interested in trying that stuff if it ever comes to market.

For some recipes the fake chicken would be okay, but there's no way it
could replace a simple roasted chicken. The more you do to cover up the
chicken, the closer the fake stuff matches up.

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

>> I think Bittman is very credible and I buy his analysis. I too would
>> be interested in trying that stuff if it ever comes to market.
>
>For some recipes the fake chicken would be okay, but there's no way it
>could replace a simple roasted chicken. The more you do to cover up the
>chicken, the closer the fake stuff matches up.

For sure. Chicken salad, stir fry, stuff like that.

I haven't roasted a chicken in like 10 years. Every supermarket has
roti chicken for about the same as a raw one.

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:02:30 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>>> I think Bittman is very credible and I buy his analysis. I too would
>>> be interested in trying that stuff if it ever comes to market.
>>
>>For some recipes the fake chicken would be okay, but there's no way it
>>could replace a simple roasted chicken. The more you do to cover up the
>>chicken, the closer the fake stuff matches up.
>
>For sure. Chicken salad, stir fry, stuff like that.
>
>I haven't roasted a chicken in like 10 years. Every supermarket has
>roti chicken for about the same as a raw one.

At Samsclub the roasted ones are cheaper by a buck or two per chicken.
How/why they do that is beyond me.

Jim

Jim wrote:

> At Samsclub the roasted ones are cheaper by a buck or two per chicken.
> How/why they do that is beyond me.

Cutting their losses: The rotisserie chickens are cooked from raw
chickens which just passed their "sell by" date.

Bob