On Mar 21, 3:35*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:32:51 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > What happens is over time the amount of nitrogen in solution stablizes
> > at all points inside the can including inside the pellet. *The pressure
> > is high and uniform throughout the can. *When the top is popped most of
> > the inside of the can depressurizes immediately. *The pressure is then
> > higher inside the pellet because the hole is too small for the pressure
> > to release in a faction of a second. *Nitrogen starts to come out of
> > solution inside the pellet and there's a jet of turbulant nitrogen
> > bubbles. *The Guinness in the can ends up with the same fine nitrogen
> > foam that you see with Guinness from a keg. *It's a brilliant
> > application of fluid dynamics.
>
> I think Murphys had one, too. *It was attached to the bottom of the
> can.
>
> Fortunately I don't like stouts. *Which is good because my stomach
> refuses to process stout beers. *It just sits in my stomach and
> sloshes around. *The more I drink, the more it sloshes. *It's lousy
> feeling (especially when you're trying *catch a buzz).
>
I like Guinness Extra Stout mixed 1:3 with Michelob Ultra. Right now
I have a Negra Modelo next to the keyboard.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Some people actually enjoy the taste of beer and drink it to enjoy the
> flavour as well as to quench thirst or to compliment a food,

That's one thing that I never do or have the urge to do.....drink beer or
wine with food. To me, it's a separate activity. I'll drink a couple of
beers or a few glasses of wine but once food is served, that's all folks.

With meals, it's always "nature's champagne".....water.

I know I'm the odd one on that subject. Many ppl like wine with dinner but
not me. Many ppl like beer with some things too, like steamed crabs....but
not me. At any function, I'll drink for a bit but once I start eating, no
more alcohol. Two separate activities, imo.

Gary

On Mar 21, 3:38*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:19:00 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > Higher alcohol is for the folks with no taste. *Quality of flavor has
> > little correlation with alcohol in beers until you get to the lite beers
> > and 3.2 beers.
>
> I thought You were good guy. *There is there is no excuse for
> disrespecting Belgian ales. *They are very good at cramming alcohol
> into highly flavorful beers (and don't normally hop the shit out of
> them).

I like the dry hopped American beers. Not overly bitter but with
intense aroma. Tonight I'm drinking malty stuff, Negra Modelo. Not
much hops there.
Beer is:
Alcohol (central nervous system pleasure)
Water (refreshment)
and
Flavor, mouthfeel, whatever; everything other than alcohol and thirst
quenching.
No beer is ideal in all 3 aspects.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

I prefer beer in bottles rather than in cans. The taste of beer that is in beer tastes better than that in a can.

Dave Smith wrote:

> It may be the Budweiser of Belgium, but it is being rated on a scale
> above that on which North American beer is rated. I prefer Stella to
> most (not all) NA beers, but it does not compare with the best beer I
> have ever had.... which happened to be in Belgium.

Belgium is for beer what Italy and France are for wine, they have the best
beers on the planet. La Chouffe, Hoegaarden, Bonne Esperance, Chimay and so
many others... I love all of them but my favorite styles are Blanche and
Lambic, the latter is perfect with low and slow pork shank.

On 2012-03-22, ViLco > wrote:

> beers on the planet. La Chouffe, Hoegaarden, Bonne Esperance, Chimay and so

mmmmmmmmm.... Belgian beers!

I love La Chouffe and Hoegaarden. Ever drank to Lady Mary?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchess...ourgogne_(beer)

One of the greatest most complex beers in Belgium.

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notbob wrote:

>> beers on the planet. La Chouffe, Hoegaarden, Bonne Esperance, Chimay
>> and so

> mmmmmmmmm.... Belgian beers!
>
> I love La Chouffe and Hoegaarden. Ever drank to Lady Mary?:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchess...ourgogne_(beer)
>
> One of the greatest most complex beers in Belgium.

Never seen it but it sounds interesting, with something in common to the
Lambic style.
Who knows if I can find it in town...

On 22/03/2012 7:22 AM, ViLco wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> It may be the Budweiser of Belgium, but it is being rated on a scale
>> above that on which North American beer is rated. I prefer Stella to
>> most (not all) NA beers, but it does not compare with the best beer I
>> have ever had.... which happened to be in Belgium.
>
> Belgium is for beer what Italy and France are for wine, they have the best
> beers on the planet. La Chouffe, Hoegaarden, Bonne Esperance, Chimay and so
> many others... I love all of them but my favorite styles are Blanche and
> Lambic, the latter is perfect with low and slow pork shank.
>
>
>


Why is it that the countries that are well known for wine don't have a
good name for beer?

Dave Smith wrote:

>> Belgium is for beer what Italy and France are for wine, they have
>> the best beers on the planet.

> Why is it that the countries that are well known for wine don't have a
> good name for beer?

Must have something to do with climate, the best beers come from
temperate-to-cool areas while the best wine comes from slightly hotter
areas.

On 2012-03-22, ViLco > wrote:

> Never seen it but it sounds interesting, with something in common to the
> Lambic style.
> Who knows if I can find it in town...

It's quite expensive here in US. About $6 USD per 10oz bottle. Very
complex, it being both very sweet, yet sour like a lambic. I
consider it a dessert beer. So rich and sweet, one bottle is about
all I can drink. I requested it at my local store and was able to get
it.

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On 2012-03-22, Dave Smith > wrote:

> Why is it that the countries that are well known for wine don't have a
> good name for beer?

Makes sense. If you've got great wine, who needs great beer? CA is
about the only place I know that has both. CO, which is a
surprisingly awesome beer state, doesn't have dammit fer wine.

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ViLco wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> It may be the Budweiser of Belgium, but it is being rated on a scale
>> above that on which North American beer is rated. I prefer Stella to
>> most (not all) NA beers, but it does not compare with the best beer I
>> have ever had.... which happened to be in Belgium.
>
> Belgium is for beer what Italy and France are for wine, they have the best
> beers on the planet. La Chouffe, Hoegaarden, Bonne Esperance, Chimay and so
> many others... I love all of them but my favorite styles are Blanche and
> Lambic, the latter is perfect with low and slow pork shank.

My favorite style remains Trappist. I rather like Stella. Calling it
the Bud of Belgium is very much a commentary on the quality of ales from
there. It's that good and it's there worst.

Wonderfully the single best ale I can remember has a guy's home brew in
LA metro Pasadena. A nut brown ale by a guy who at the time was a the
club president of the "Maltose Falcons". Wonderful name for a home
brewing club.

ViLco wrote:
>
> Belgium is for beer what Italy and France are for wine, they have the best
> beers on the planet. La Chouffe, Hoegaarden, Bonne Esperance, Chimay and so
> many others... I love all of them but my favorite styles are Blanche and
> Lambic, the latter is perfect with low and slow pork shank.

Micheal Jackson (the real one who published lots of books on ale and
whiskey) claimed the best ale he ever had was Petrus at the brewery in
Belgium. Imagine being able to make an entire career out of sampling
beers, ales and whiskeys around the world. I'd love to make a
pilgrimage to Petrus some time. I tried a bottle of imported Petrus.
About as good as Hoegaaren but I still perfer Chimay. Maybe I need to
do a side by side comparison or a flight of Belgians ...

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> Fortunately I don't like stouts. Which is good because my stomach
> refuses to process stout beers. It just sits in my stomach and
> sloshes around. The more I drink, the more it sloshes. It's lousy
> feeling

Being wheat intolerant I have that problem with wheat beers. Many wheat
beers are delicious enough to write poems about them. I've relished a
new beer then three sips in detected the mild symptoms starting. Crap.
Is it going to be worth the increased symptoms to drink more of this
stuff? If I can tell the symptoms at all folks are going to be kept
awake by the snoring ...

On 2012-03-22, Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> pilgrimage to Petrus some time. I tried a bottle of imported Petrus.

My dream. Before I die, two weeks in Belgium.

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On 22/03/2012 11:45 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Micheal Jackson (the real one who published lots of books on ale and
> whiskey) claimed the best ale he ever had was Petrus at the brewery in
> Belgium. Imagine being able to make an entire career out of sampling
> beers, ales and whiskeys around the world. I'd love to make a
> pilgrimage to Petrus some time. I tried a bottle of imported Petrus.
> About as good as Hoegaaren but I still perfer Chimay. Maybe I need to
> do a side by side comparison or a flight of Belgians ...

A good friend of mine got interesting in wine he was in his 20s. He took
courses, subscribed to wine letters and magazines and has been carefully
cellaring wines for years. He always had decent jobs and money to spend
on wine. He eventually worked it into a business. He now makes a pretty
good living going to wine shows and wine tastings and is an agent for a
couple foreign wineries.

It is always interesting to go on wine tasting tours with him. Most of
the local wineries have a pretty good gimmick for selling samples of
their products, which tends to loosen people up to buy more of their
products. When this guy starts talking with the staff they quickly
realize that he knows his wines and they start bringing out the good
stuff, and it's all free. However.... we usually end up buying a few
bottles of their better wines.

notbob wrote:

>If you've got great wine, who needs great beer?

Troll!

Doug Freyburger wrote:

> My favorite style remains Trappist. I rather like Stella. Calling it
> the Bud of Belgium is very much a commentary on the quality of ales
> from there. It's that good and it's there worst.

Great style, la Trappiste

> Wonderfully the single best ale I can remember has a guy's home brew
> in LA metro Pasadena. A nut brown ale by a guy who at the time was a
> the club president of the "Maltose Falcons". Wonderful name for a home
> brewing club.

LOL, in a brewing club in Rome a friend bougth a tee shirt with a picture of
a keg and the phrase "When I die I want to be fermented" in roman slang
(circa "quanno moro vojo esse fermentato").

notbob > wrote in
:

> On 2012-03-22, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
>
>> pilgrimage to Petrus some time. I tried a bottle of imported Petrus.
>
> My dream. Before I die, two weeks in Belgium.
>



You can buy Belgium beer anywhere.



We have several Belgium cafes/beer houses here in Brisbane.




--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

On 22/03/2012 10:52 AM, ViLco wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Belgium is for beer what Italy and France are for wine, they have
>>> the best beers on the planet.
>
>> Why is it that the countries that are well known for wine don't have a
>> good name for beer?
>
> Must have something to do with climate, the best beers come from
> temperate-to-cool areas while the best wine comes from slightly hotter
> areas.

I didn't think it was that easy. Some of the good wines come from
northern France, which has a climate similar to Niagara. France is not
famous for great beers, but is is right next to Belgium and to Belgium,
which are famous for theirs. There are new wine producing regions
opening up all over the world and they are all producing some top rated
wines, but they may lack the wine drinking culture needed to put it into
the world view. A lot of people who know a little about wine consider
France and Italy to be the primary producers of good wines, but they
simply don't know about the other stuff that is available. They are
aware that some of the most famous vintages come from France and eschew
the local stuff and buy only the cheapest imports.

On 22/03/2012 11:38 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

>> Belgium is for beer what Italy and France are for wine, they have the best
>> beers on the planet. La Chouffe, Hoegaarden, Bonne Esperance, Chimay and so
>> many others... I love all of them but my favorite styles are Blanche and
>> Lambic, the latter is perfect with low and slow pork shank.
>
> My favorite style remains Trappist. I rather like Stella. Calling it
> the Bud of Belgium is very much a commentary on the quality of ales from
> there. It's that good and it's there worst.


Indeed. If it the worst of Belgium's beers we have to at least
acknowledge that it is being judged on a scale above that on which Bud
is being judged. When I had an incredible glass of beer in Belgium my
thought was that is would be judged on a scale for which the bottom was
about the top of the scale for North American beers.

ViLco wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> Wonderfully the single best ale I can remember has a guy's home brew
>> in LA metro Pasadena. A nut brown ale by a guy who at the time was a
>> the club president of the "Maltose Falcons". Wonderful name for a home
>> brewing club.
>
> LOL, in a brewing club in Rome a friend bougth a tee shirt with a picture of
> a keg and the phrase "When I die I want to be fermented" in roman slang
> (circa "quanno moro vojo esse fermentato").

Now I have in mind a shirt that says something similar but in Norse
using the Younger Futhark runes. I was shopping in a Swedish heritage
store and there were teeshirts. One had something written in runes. I
started sounding it out. By the time I was half way through I was
laughing hysterically and gasping for air. "If you can read this you
are a viking".

Dave Smith wrote:

> to put it into the world view. A lot of people who know a little
> about wine consider France and Italy to be the primary producers of
> good wines, but they simply don't know about the other stuff that is
> available.

Even people who know well the excellent wines made out of France and Italy
know that France and Italy produce the *vast majority* of the best wines on
Earth, negating this is simply absurd.

Sqwertz wrote:
>Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> Micheal Jackson (the real one who published lots of books on ale and
>> whiskey) claimed the best ale he ever had was Petrus at the brewery in
>> Belgium ...
>
> I'm pretty sure M.J. also declared Duvel as the "King of Beers".
> I don't think Duvel is (or was) the best beer on earth - I just think
> it's the most satisfying all around.

Duvel is very good but it's lighter than my preference. Thinking about
the small bottle Belgians I liked Oval better. More intense and yeasty
to match my personal preferences. Maybe I should recommend Duvel as a
gateway ale to the other Belgians.

> I drank a Reverend and a Salvation tonight.

Last night I opened the first bottle of my most recent home brew batch.
Beautiful weather. Sitting out on the deck with my wife drinking home
brew from my favorite drinking horn. The recipe listed as "Abbey style"
but I decided to swap the yeast with an English ale yeast.