so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:

stainless
nylon
vinyl
PVC

correct?

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:29:30 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>
> stainless
> nylon
> vinyl
> PVC
>
> correct?

No idea. I can only tell you that I saw a very impressive dishwasher
at a real estate open house today. It was a Thermadore - Professional
Series. Very impressive. Heavy door, nice styling with a bevel on
it.
http://www.aggressiveappliances.com/...dwhd630gcp.jpg
http://www.aggressiveappliances.com/...es-dishwasher/

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

tert in seattle wrote:
>
> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>
> stainless
> nylon
> vinyl
> PVC
>
> correct?

Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
"padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.

Pete C. wrote:
>
> tert in seattle wrote:
>>
>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>
>> stainless
>> nylon
>> vinyl
>> PVC
>>
>> correct?
>
> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
> than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
> frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
> hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
> "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.

thanks, that helps

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 02:29:30 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle wrote:
>
>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>
>> stainless
>> nylon
>> vinyl
>> PVC
>
> I prefer real flesh. None of that saline or silicon crap for me. I
> don't even mind if she doesn't wash dishes, as long as they're real.

So hard (or soft?) to argue.

pavane

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

> Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > tert in seattle wrote:
> >>
> >> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
> >>
> >> stainless
> >> nylon
> >> vinyl
> >> PVC
> >>
> >> correct?
> >
> > Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
> > than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
> > frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
> > hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
> > "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>
> thanks, that helps

Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's under
the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the wheels
were going to fall off.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:36:06 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:
>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>> >
>> > tert in seattle wrote:
>> >>
>> >> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>> >>
>> >> stainless
>> >> nylon
>> >> vinyl
>> >> PVC
>> >>
>> >> correct?
>> >
>> > Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
>> > than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
>> > frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
>> > hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
>> > "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>
>> thanks, that helps
>
>Racks are racks.

That's what you think.
This is a rack: http://tinyurl.com/6r3hnw6

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:
>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>> >
>> > tert in seattle wrote:
>> >>
>> >> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>> >>
>> >> stainless
>> >> nylon
>> >> vinyl
>> >> PVC
>> >>
>> >> correct?
>> >
>> > Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
>> > than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
>> > frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
>> > hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
>> > "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>
>> thanks, that helps
>
> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's under
> the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the wheels
> were going to fall off.

well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without necessitating
a replacement rack

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >> >
> >> > tert in seattle wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
> >> >>
> >> >> stainless
> >> >> nylon
> >> >> vinyl
> >> >> PVC
> >> >>
> >> >> correct?
> >> >
> >> > Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
> >> > than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
> >> > frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
> >> > hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
> >> > "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
> >>
> >> thanks, that helps
> >
> > Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's under
> > the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the wheels
> > were going to fall off.
>
> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without necessitating
> a replacement rack

Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
currently have two one year old grandchildren who help me with the
dishes - but stabbing a rack with a fork has never even come up.
Silverware goes in it's own compartment not on the dish racks.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>> > On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Pete C. wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > tert in seattle wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> stainless
>> >> >> nylon
>> >> >> vinyl
>> >> >> PVC
>> >> >>
>> >> >> correct?
>> >> >
>> >> > Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is tougher
>> >> > than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a stainless rack
>> >> > frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be durable, but it's a
>> >> > hard surface and more likely to damage items placed on the rack than the
>> >> > "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>> >>
>> >> thanks, that helps
>> >
>> > Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's under
>> > the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the wheels
>> > were going to fall off.
>>
>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without necessitating
>> a replacement rack
>
> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
> currently have two one year old grandchildren who help me with the
> dishes - but stabbing a rack with a fork has never even come up.
> Silverware goes in it's own compartment not on the dish racks.

here's a concept for you -- twin boys

just imagine the synergies

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> stainless
>>>>>> nylon
>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>> PVC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is
>>>>> tougher than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a
>>>>> stainless rack frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be
>>>>> durable, but it's a hard surface and more likely to damage items
>>>>> placed on the rack than the "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>>>
>>>> thanks, that helps
>>>
>>> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's
>>> under the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the
>>> wheels were going to fall off.
>>
>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without
>> necessitating a replacement rack
>
> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
> currently have two one year old grandchildren who help me with the
> dishes - but stabbing a rack with a fork has never even come up.
> Silverware goes in it's own compartment not on the dish racks.

Didn't happen in my house either. I've no clue what most of my dishwasher
racks were made of. They were standard issue military stuff.

"Julie Bove" wrote:
>sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> sf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> stainless
>>>>>>> nylon
>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>> PVC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is
>>>>>> tougher than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a
>>>>>> stainless rack frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be
>>>>>> durable, but it's a hard surface and more likely to damage items
>>>>>> placed on the rack than the "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks, that helps
>>>>
>>>> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's
>>>> under the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the
>>>> wheels were going to fall off.
>>>
>>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without
>>> necessitating a replacement rack
>>
>> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
>> currently have two one year old grandchildren who help me with the
>> dishes - but stabbing a rack with a fork has never even come up.
>> Silverware goes in it's own compartment not on the dish racks.
>
>Didn't happen in my house either. I've no clue what most of my dishwasher
>racks were made of. They were standard issue military stuff.

One year old children shouldn't be able to get to the inside of a
dishwasher... I can't imagine how a one year old can help with doing
dishes anyway, most one year olds haven't taken their first step yet.
All the dishwasher racks I've ever seen are made of ordinary carbon
steel with a plastic coating (usually some type of vinyl). Even the
large commercial dishwashers used by restuarants have the same type of
rack material only the wire is a larger diameter. I just now checked
my Maytag, the racks are strongly magnetic, they are clad with some
kind cushiony plastic. My dishwasher is ten years old, granted it's
used but once or twice a week, however the racks are like new. I'd
think it's the harshness of the washing compounds one uses that would
cause the most wear... I have softened water so I can use half the
recommended washing compound. And I always use the sanitizing setting
and the dry setting which subjects the racks to more heat. I've never
seen stainless steel dishwasher racks or any bare metal racks.

On Mar 17, 9:29*pm, tert in seattle > wrote:
> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>
> stainless
> nylon
> vinyl
> PVC
>
> correct?

I would never want stainless racks - glasses and dishes would "bang
around" more and possibly chip. The racks in my GE "tall tub"
dishwasher are vinyl-coated, and aren't stained or marked up after 6
years of use, and work just fine.

N.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> stainless
>>>>>>>> nylon
>>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>>> PVC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is
>>>>>>> tougher than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a
>>>>>>> stainless rack frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be
>>>>>>> durable, but it's a hard surface and more likely to damage items
>>>>>>> placed on the rack than the "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks, that helps
>>>>>
>>>>> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's
>>>>> under the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the
>>>>> wheels were going to fall off.
>>>>
>>>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>>>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>>>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without
>>>> necessitating a replacement rack
>>>
>>> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
>>> currently have two one year old grandchildren who help me with the
>>> dishes - but stabbing a rack with a fork has never even come up.
>>> Silverware goes in it's own compartment not on the dish racks.
>>
>>Didn't happen in my house either. I've no clue what most of my dishwasher
>>racks were made of. They were standard issue military stuff.
>
> One year old children shouldn't be able to get to the inside of a
> dishwasher... I can't imagine how a one year old can help with doing
> dishes anyway, most one year olds haven't taken their first step yet.

(snippage)

The OP did say FIVE YEAR OLDS, not one year olds. Kids of that age are
curious. As for stabbing the dishwasher rack with forks? How about just
say NO? Tell them to stay the heck away from the dishwasher. It doesn't
matter that they're twins... I don't care if they're conjoined twins.
They're five years old. They [should] understand the meaning of the word
NO. Now I have to wonder if tert is one of those folks who lets her
oh-so-cute twins run amok in public places...

Jill

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:05:04 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
.. .
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>sf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> stainless
>>>>>>>>> nylon
>>>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>>>> PVC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is
>>>>>>>> tougher than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a
>>>>>>>> stainless rack frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be
>>>>>>>> durable, but it's a hard surface and more likely to damage items
>>>>>>>> placed on the rack than the "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks, that helps
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's
>>>>>> under the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the
>>>>>> wheels were going to fall off.
>>>>>
>>>>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>>>>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>>>>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without
>>>>> necessitating a replacement rack
>>>>
>>>> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
>>>> currently have two _one year old grandchildren who help me with the
>>>> dishes_ -
>
>The OP did say FIVE YEAR OLDS, not one year olds. Kids of that age are
>curious. As for stabbing the dishwasher rack with forks? How about just
>say NO? Tell them to stay the heck away from the dishwasher. It doesn't
>matter that they're twins... I don't care if they're conjoined twins.
>They're five years old. They [should] understand the meaning of the word
>NO. Now I have to wonder if tert is one of those folks who lets her
>oh-so-cute twins run amok in public places...
>
>Jill

See above.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:05:04 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
. ..
>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>>sf wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:01:32 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:21 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stainless
>>>>>>>>>> nylon
>>>>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>>>>> PVC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> correct?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vinyl and PVC (polyVINYLcloride) are the same thing. Nylon is
>>>>>>>>> tougher than PVC, but it's hygroscopic so it had better be over a
>>>>>>>>> stainless rack frame or I'd expect rust issues. Stainless will be
>>>>>>>>> durable, but it's a hard surface and more likely to damage items
>>>>>>>>> placed on the rack than the "padded" nylon or PVC coated racks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks, that helps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Racks are racks. They are always coated and I don't care what's
>>>>>>> under the coating. I'd be more concerned about whether or not the
>>>>>>> wheels were going to fall off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well, nylon and vinyl are definitely two different things, and since
>>>>>> I've got two five-year-olds who like to "help" in the kitchen I want
>>>>>> the more durable covering they can stab with a fork without
>>>>>> necessitating a replacement rack
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, come on. I raised two kids, a grandchild that's 11 now and
>>>>> currently have two _one year old grandchildren who help me with the
>>>>> dishes_ -
>>
>>The OP did say FIVE YEAR OLDS, not one year olds. Kids of that age are
>>curious. As for stabbing the dishwasher rack with forks? How about just
>>say NO? Tell them to stay the heck away from the dishwasher. It doesn't
>>matter that they're twins... I don't care if they're conjoined twins.
>>They're five years old. They [should] understand the meaning of the word
>>NO. Now I have to wonder if tert is one of those folks who lets her
>>oh-so-cute twins run amok in public places...
>>
>>Jill
>
> See above.

Huh, and here I thought tert was a good masculine-sounding pseudonym.

Anyhow, accidents do happen, and it doesn't have to be the 5-year-olds'
fault. I'm not sure that dishwashers made today are as durable as the
ones made 10 years ago. If it's not a big price difference from vinyl
to nylon and nylon is that much tougher, then I'd get the nylon. The
question is moot now though because my wife went ahead and ordered a
d/w and took approx. 0% of the input she asked from me. IOW never mind,
I'll know better next time... or not.

On 3/19/2012 11:01 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> On Mar 17, 9:29 pm, tert in > wrote:
>> so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
>>
>> stainless
>> nylon
>> vinyl
>> PVC
>>
>> correct?
>
> I would never want stainless racks - glasses and dishes would "bang
> around" more and possibly chip. The racks in my GE "tall tub"
> dishwasher are vinyl-coated, and aren't stained or marked up after 6
> years of use, and work just fine.

My top rack is vinyl and I actually broke a glass in it tonight. I was
loading it to run and a bowl I put on the top rack fell over onto glass
and broke it and I hope I found all the pieces. I had to just run it.
I might find some clean sharp pieces in the flatware bin because I
couldn't find any more pieces.

I also just bought a GE Tall tub stainless dishwasher. The cycle ended
without incident so I'll have to be careful emptying it.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 03:12:40 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

> here's a concept for you -- twin boys
>
> just imagine the synergies

I can. Who's in charge?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:21:15 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

> Anyhow, accidents do happen, and it doesn't have to be the 5-year-olds'
> fault. I'm not sure that dishwashers made today are as durable as the
> ones made 10 years ago. If it's not a big price difference from vinyl
> to nylon and nylon is that much tougher, then I'd get the nylon. The
> question is moot now though because my wife went ahead and ordered a
> d/w and took approx. 0% of the input she asked from me. IOW never mind,
> I'll know better next time... or not.

Tert, only one dishwasher I've owned ever developed rust on the racks
and it was a long time ago, but it had nothing to do with what I did
to it and everything to do with the manufacturer cheaping out. It was
the same dishwasher whose wheels broke off the racks. That was more
than ten years ago and I think it was a Whirlpool (but I wouldn't bet
money on it). In any case, it was one that I expected far better
from. That dishwasher was taken to the dump when it was around 5 YO,
after I put up with it for way too long.

Back to your problem. I'm not going to ask you the name and model of
your dishwasher because I won't look it up and read the buyer
comments, but you can. I think you're just imagining the worst, not
that it happens.

Believe me, if I can keep two one year old cousins motivated and
helping me while I empty or fill the dishwasher, you can certainly
keep five year old twins (who understand and respond to language
better that one year olds do) motivated while you do what you need to
do. You can do it; you're Mom the Motivator!

PS: Now I know why you virtually dropped out of rfc for all these
years. Your hands were full! It's not an easy job.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

> I would never want stainless racks - glasses and dishes would "bang
> around" more and possibly chip. The racks in my GE "tall tub"
> dishwasher are vinyl-coated, and aren't stained or marked up after 6
> years of use, and work just fine.

Does any manufacturer offer an option of stainless steel racks?

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mar 19, 11:28*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>
> > wrote:
> > I would never want stainless racks - glasses and dishes would "bang
> > around" more and possibly chip. *The racks in my GE "tall tub"
> > dishwasher are vinyl-coated, and aren't stained or marked up after 6
> > years of use, and work just fine.
>
> Does any manufacturer offer an option of stainless steel racks?
>
> --
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

I haven't a clue - it was part of the OP from tert:

"so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
stainless
nylon
vinyl
PVC
correct?"

N.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 07:51:02 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

> On Mar 19, 11:28*pm, sf > wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > I would never want stainless racks - glasses and dishes would "bang
> > > around" more and possibly chip. *The racks in my GE "tall tub"
> > > dishwasher are vinyl-coated, and aren't stained or marked up after 6
> > > years of use, and work just fine.
> >
> > Does any manufacturer offer an option of stainless steel racks?
> >
> > --
> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>
> I haven't a clue - it was part of the OP from tert:
>
> "so for racks, it seems in order of best to worst is:
> stainless
> nylon
> vinyl
> PVC
> correct?"
>
It puzzled me then and it's still puzzling me now. I don't remember
ever seeing stainless steel racks, only interior walls.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:21:15 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:
>
>> Anyhow, accidents do happen, and it doesn't have to be the 5-year-olds'
>> fault. I'm not sure that dishwashers made today are as durable as the
>> ones made 10 years ago. If it's not a big price difference from vinyl
>> to nylon and nylon is that much tougher, then I'd get the nylon. The
>> question is moot now though because my wife went ahead and ordered a
>> d/w and took approx. 0% of the input she asked from me. IOW never mind,
>> I'll know better next time... or not.
>
> Tert, only one dishwasher I've owned ever developed rust on the racks
> and it was a long time ago, but it had nothing to do with what I did
> to it and everything to do with the manufacturer cheaping out. It was
> the same dishwasher whose wheels broke off the racks. That was more
> than ten years ago and I think it was a Whirlpool (but I wouldn't bet
> money on it). In any case, it was one that I expected far better
> from. That dishwasher was taken to the dump when it was around 5 YO,
> after I put up with it for way too long.
>
> Back to your problem. I'm not going to ask you the name and model of
> your dishwasher because I won't look it up and read the buyer
> comments, but you can. I think you're just imagining the worst, not
> that it happens.
>
> Believe me, if I can keep two one year old cousins motivated and
> helping me while I empty or fill the dishwasher, you can certainly
> keep five year old twins (who understand and respond to language
> better that one year olds do) motivated while you do what you need to
> do. You can do it; you're Mom the Motivator!
>
> PS: Now I know why you virtually dropped out of rfc for all these
> years. Your hands were full! It's not an easy job.

Of course I anticipate the worst. But like I said my wife went ahead
and bought something already ... I think it's a hotpoint, or maybe a
whirlpool ... in any case the deed is done. Vinyl racks. It got me
to thinking though ... there's a huge price range for dishwashers ...
I just don't get why someone would pay $1200 ... assuming it gets dishes
just as clean as a $300 d/w, what's the point, other than decibels?
It matches the granite countertops better?

Btw, many years ago I worked in product exchange for whirlpool, and
I know that there are many many things that can go wrong with an
appliance out of the box. I also used to hear all sorts of stories
from the service manager. This might be why I anticipate the worst.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:53:34 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

> It got me
> to thinking though ... there's a huge price range for dishwashers ...
> I just don't get why someone would pay $1200 ... assuming it gets dishes
> just as clean as a $300 d/w, what's the point, other than decibels?
> It matches the granite countertops better?

I can only say that I saw a Thermadore Professional series in a home
that was for sale and if I had the cash to throw away on high end
appliances, I'd buy that one in a heartbeat.
http://www.bizrate.com/dish-washers/1694749805.html just the door
alone was impressive. It was like closing the door on a Mercedes or
Jaguar while my Bosch handles like a Honda/Acura.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:53:34 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:21:15 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyhow, accidents do happen, and it doesn't have to be the 5-year-olds'
>>> fault. I'm not sure that dishwashers made today are as durable as the
>>> ones made 10 years ago. If it's not a big price difference from vinyl
>>> to nylon and nylon is that much tougher, then I'd get the nylon. The
>>> question is moot now though because my wife went ahead and ordered a
>>> d/w and took approx. 0% of the input she asked from me. IOW never mind,
>>> I'll know better next time... or not.
>>
>> Tert, only one dishwasher I've owned ever developed rust on the racks
>> and it was a long time ago, but it had nothing to do with what I did
>> to it and everything to do with the manufacturer cheaping out. It was
>> the same dishwasher whose wheels broke off the racks. That was more
>> than ten years ago and I think it was a Whirlpool (but I wouldn't bet
>> money on it). In any case, it was one that I expected far better
>> from. That dishwasher was taken to the dump when it was around 5 YO,
>> after I put up with it for way too long.
>>
>> Back to your problem. I'm not going to ask you the name and model of
>> your dishwasher because I won't look it up and read the buyer
>> comments, but you can. I think you're just imagining the worst, not
>> that it happens.
>>
>> Believe me, if I can keep two one year old cousins motivated and
>> helping me while I empty or fill the dishwasher, you can certainly
>> keep five year old twins (who understand and respond to language
>> better that one year olds do) motivated while you do what you need to
>> do. You can do it; you're Mom the Motivator!
>>
>> PS: Now I know why you virtually dropped out of rfc for all these
>> years. Your hands were full! It's not an easy job.
>
>Of course I anticipate the worst. But like I said my wife went ahead
>and bought something already ... I think it's a hotpoint, or maybe a
>whirlpool ... in any case the deed is done. Vinyl racks. It got me
>to thinking though ... there's a huge price range for dishwashers ...
>I just don't get why someone would pay $1200 ... assuming it gets dishes
>just as clean as a $300 d/w, what's the point, other than decibels?
>It matches the granite countertops better?
>
>Btw, many years ago I worked in product exchange for whirlpool, and
>I know that there are many many things that can go wrong with an
>appliance out of the box. I also used to hear all sorts of stories
>from the service manager. This might be why I anticipate the worst.

With household appliances a few extra features (those you'll likely
never use) cause great price jumps. With today's appliances one of
the most expensive components is the microprocessor, the more features
the more it costs. I've found the mid range priced units are the best
buys... and yes, a lot of the price difference is due to appearance
features. Most of how well a dishwasher cleans is based on user
common sense, not scraping off dishes and how one loads the unit.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:53:34 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

>
> It got me
>to thinking though ... there's a huge price range for dishwashers ...
>I just don't get why someone would pay $1200 ... assuming it gets dishes
>just as clean as a $300 d/w, what's the point, other than decibels?
>It matches the granite countertops better?
>

As the dollars go up, the features and often the quality does too.
Usually not linear and the law of diminishing returns sets in.

Differences are plastic interiors that will crack after a few years
versus stainless steel that will still look and work great for 20
years. You get racks that will still glide well after all those years
versus racks that need replacing and the bearings froze up or
corroded.

Oh, and snobbery can be a factor too.

On 3/20/2012 12:26 AM, sf wrote:

> Tert, only one dishwasher I've owned ever developed rust on the racks
> and it was a long time ago, but it had nothing to do with what I did
> to it and everything to do with the manufacturer cheaping out. It was
> the same dishwasher whose wheels broke off the racks

My old dishwasher had wheels placed on things I can only describe as
axles on the sides of the bottom basket which broke off so that was
something I was looking at in a new DW. This one has them on the bottom
of the rack but I don't know how much better that will be. I do know
that sometimes when pulling out the bottom rack the wheels don't always
stay in the groove and that bugs me.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:41:54 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

> On 3/20/2012 12:26 AM, sf wrote:
>
> > Tert, only one dishwasher I've owned ever developed rust on the racks
> > and it was a long time ago, but it had nothing to do with what I did
> > to it and everything to do with the manufacturer cheaping out. It was
> > the same dishwasher whose wheels broke off the racks
>
> My old dishwasher had wheels placed on things I can only describe as
> axles on the sides of the bottom basket which broke off so that was
> something I was looking at in a new DW. This one has them on the bottom
> of the rack but I don't know how much better that will be. I do know
> that sometimes when pulling out the bottom rack the wheels don't always
> stay in the groove and that bugs me.

For curiosity's sake, what brand is it and where is the model (high,
medium, low) on that manufacturer's scale of dishwashers.... that is,
if you know off the top of your head. I don't expect you to research
it.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

No doubt stainless is the best. Next comes nylon. PVC and vinyl are similar. PVC and vinyl comes with coating. They do not damage the utensils.