On Mar 21, 9:05*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:36:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
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> > wrote:
> >On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 05:59:10 -0700, Bryan wrote:
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> >> On Mar 21, 7:16*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
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> >>> *I am a medical professional Bryan.
>
> >> No. *You're not. *You merely have the license and degree to be "a
> >> medical professional."
>
> >>> John Kuthe...
>
> >> --Bryan
>
> >Huh? When I used to participate here on a regular basis, you two were "Big
> >Buddies"? What did I miss?
>
> You missed Bryan being a patent asshole to me here on RFC. And since
> our "friendship" had diminished to almost nothing at this point in our
> lives anyway, I decided to end it, finally.

You started it, John. I merely escalated it, and I had better
material to work with. And it was perfectly germane to turn the
subject to your failed career, since your insults were medically
related (OCD, fatty acids), and since the reason you can't get a job
in that career is because you look like a freakin' nutcase to anyone
who does the kind of internet background checks that pretty much
always get done for a position like BSN nurse. The past several weeks
where you kept egging me on have made you look even nuttier. Doing
self destructive things because you just can't check your own emotions
is not an attractive attribute.

So, who's The Biggest Loser?
Me, 25 pounds in <5 months?
Or you?

If you had decent judgement, you would have quit responding to my
posts weeks ago.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On 22/03/2012 12:59 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:44:13 +1100, >
> wrote:
>
>> On 22/03/2012 12:28 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> ....
>>>
>>> So what is your profession, actually?
>>>
>>>
>> A profession is a field of employment in which one has qualifications,
>> experience and, one would hope, ongoing employment. Kuthe seems
>> singularly lacking in any field of employment so it seems he can hardly
>> be called a medical professional. His lack of employment in any field
>> for which he says he is qualified reflects the attitude of employers to
>> his experience& skillset - rejection
>
> An unemployed professional is still a professional. A am a
> professional engineerand now a registred nurse in MO. Both these
> professiolns required extensive education (which I completed wirth A's
> abdBs, one C in Control Systems in my enginnering degrees) and nursing
> requires a state license obtained by taking and passing the NCLEX-RN
> exam, which I believe I did in the minimum 75 questions.

The true test of any professional is their ability to gain, and retain,
relevant employment in their chosen field. Graduates ares only
considered professional if they are working in their chosen field. You,
on the other hand, seem to be nothing more than a permanent student.
>
> A janitor is just a janitor. It is an unskilled manual labor job which
> requres no particular educatiion or training. Bryan is a good janitor,
> but like I've always said about Bryan's cooking that I've never had
> anything bad he cooked, I was just being generous. Because while this
> is true, I've also never had anything noteworthily GOOD that Bryan had
> cooked. It's always blase and lacking in any outstandingly delicious
> flavors.
>
> John Kuthe...

I started out at 15 as a clerical assistant with NO particular skills.
My employer saw fit to train me in all aspects of work and then sent me
on to professional training, some of it full time. I think I spent about
3 years full time at Uni in my mid 20s and a further dozen years part
time over the following 2 decades. I have had the one employer my entire
working career and there was obviously faith in my ability as a
professional since they provided both the funding and the time off work
for my professional development.

You, in your inability to either gain or retain relevant employment,
cannot in any way consider yourself a professional. At least Bryan is
"employed". You, with all your grandiose claims, do not even have that!

Get off your high horse! You don't belong there!

--

Krypsis

On 22/03/2012 1:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:13 -0400, George M. Middius
> > wrote:
> ....
>
> If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
> rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
> Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?
>
> John Kuthe...

I would rather have a nurse attending me who had a proven track record
in the field of nursing. You do not have that! You merely have scraps of
paper that prove you can pass exams.

--

Krypsis

On 22/03/2012 1:23 AM, Bryan wrote:
> On Mar 21, 9:05 am, John > wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:36:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
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>> > wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 05:59:10 -0700, Bryan wrote:
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>>>> On Mar 21, 7:16 am, John > wrote:
>>
>>>>> I am a medical professional Bryan.
>>
>>>> No. You're not. You merely have the license and degree to be "a
>>>> medical professional."
>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>>> --Bryan
>>
>>> Huh? When I used to participate here on a regular basis, you two were "Big
>>> Buddies"? What did I miss?
>>
>> You missed Bryan being a patent asshole to me here on RFC. And since
>> our "friendship" had diminished to almost nothing at this point in our
>> lives anyway, I decided to end it, finally.
>
> You started it, John. I merely escalated it, and I had better
> material to work with. And it was perfectly germane to turn the
> subject to your failed career, since your insults were medically
> related (OCD, fatty acids), and since the reason you can't get a job
> in that career is because you look like a freakin' nutcase to anyone
> who does the kind of internet background checks that pretty much
> always get done for a position like BSN nurse. The past several weeks
> where you kept egging me on have made you look even nuttier. Doing
> self destructive things because you just can't check your own emotions
> is not an attractive attribute.
>
> So, who's The Biggest Loser?
> Me, 25 pounds in<5 months?
> Or you?
>
> If you had decent judgement, you would have quit responding to my
> posts weeks ago.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> --Bryan

Luckily the employers to whom he applied for positions had decent
judgement and rejected his applications. The medical world is now a
little safer.

--

Krypsis

John Kuthe wrote:

>If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
>rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
>Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?

Depends. Which one can dial 911 faster?

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:36:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 05:59:10 -0700, Bryan wrote:
>
>> On Mar 21, 7:16*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a medical professional Bryan.
>>
>> No. You're not. You merely have the license and degree to be "a
>> medical professional."
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> --Bryan
>
>Huh? When I used to participate here on a regular basis, you two were "Big
>Buddies"? What did I miss?

Queer PMS.

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 01:43:51 +1100, Krypsis >
wrote:

>On 22/03/2012 1:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:13 -0400, George M. Middius
>> > wrote:
>> ....
>>
>> If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
>> rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
>> Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>I would rather have a nurse attending me who had a proven track record
>in the field of nursing. You do not have that! You merely have scraps of
>paper that prove you can pass exams.

I cannot discuss the nursing accomplishments I've had thus far in
detail, but I've caught a medication error, correctly assessed and
acted correctly on several emergency and non-emergendy medical
situations, correctly performed many medication administrations,
performed many nursing assessments and interventions including IV
starts, phlebotomy (obtaining blood samples), Foley catheter
initiation and changes, and others. Plus I've been through the BLS
certification course twice and passed both times.

Bryan can wax a mean floor.

Pick one to attend to you during your heart attack.

John Kuthe...

On 3/21/12 10:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:13 -0400, George M. Middius
> > wrote:
> ...
>
> If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
> rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
> Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?
>
> John Kuthe...

Exactly how many times have you used that BLS? Did you know that the
housekeepers, unit secretary and other unlicensed employees at the
hospital also have a BLS card?
Try to impress us when you've got at least an ACLS card *and* some first
hand experience in doing those compressions and pushing those drugs.....
As to your "professionalism"-IME new grad nurses are wet behind the ear
for at least a year after working (full time/same job). If you piece
together all the time and various jobs you've worked as an RN since
graduation will they even add up to be half a year?

On 3/21/12 10:43 AM, Krypsis wrote:
> On 22/03/2012 1:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:13 -0400, George M. Middius
>> > wrote:
>> ....
>>
>> If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
>> rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
>> Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> I would rather have a nurse attending me who had a proven track record
> in the field of nursing. You do not have that! You merely have scraps of
> paper that prove you can pass exams.
>
A BLS card is basic CPR for anyone working in a hospital. The clerks and
transport people have it too. And it doesn't mean squat when the holder
hasn't ever participated in a code or arrest situation before and wets
his pants wondering what to do?!

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:14:50 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Bryan wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 21, 7:16 am, John Kuthe > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I am a medical professional Bryan.
>>
>> No. You're not. You merely have the license and degree to be "a
>> medical professional."
>
>Well, that's more than I've got. "Professional" ppl can be unemployed too.
>It's kind of low to pick on someone going through hard times. That's like
>the lifeguard at the beach stealing your girlfriend then kicking sand in
>your face before he walks away with her. >:-o

Thank you Gary. And that's exactly what Bryan has done here to me. No
worries, I'n no pollyanna, I can "take it like a man", but I don't
need this kind of shit in my life, right now or ever.

....

>Any work is honorable work and no one should look down on even the lowliest
>workers.
>From the movie, Caddyshack, "The world needs ditchdiggers."

I agree! Funny you mention ditch diggers though, as when I was a child
my mother used to stress the importance of an education "else I might
become a ditch digger". Today they are called heavy equipment
operators and some can make into the six figure income range! ;-)




>
>The people that I look down on (and I know one) are those that get layed off
>and milk the unemployment until it runs out....rather than go out and find a
>new job. I could have gone on partial unemployment this past winter but I
>wasn't brought up that way. I went out and found my own work to keep me
>going until the company work picked up again.

....

I have not since I've been unemployed as a nurse collected any
unemployment.

John Kuthe...

On 3/21/12 11:29 AM, John Kuthe wrote:

> I cannot discuss the nursing accomplishments I've had thus far in
> detail, but I've caught a medication error, correctly assessed and
> acted correctly on several emergency and non-emergendy medical
> situations, correctly performed many medication administrations,
> performed many nursing assessments and interventions including IV
> starts, phlebotomy (obtaining blood samples), Foley catheter
> initiation and changes, and others. Plus I've been through the BLS
> certification course twice and passed both times.

John- those things you mention are basic expectations for an RN. Heck,
I've got my student preceptees doing those things too.

On 3/21/12 11:39 AM, John Kuthe wrote:

> I have not since I've been unemployed as a nurse collected any
> unemployment.
>
> John Kuthe...

Did you make it out of orientation before they let you go?

On Mar 21, 10:39*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:14:50 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >Bryan wrote:
>
> >> On Mar 21, 7:16 am, John Kuthe > wrote:
>
> >> > *I am a medical professional Bryan.
>
> >> No. *You're not. *You merely have the license and degree to be "a
> >> medical professional."
>
> >Well, that's more than I've got. "Professional" ppl can be unemployed too.
> >It's kind of low to pick on someone going through hard times. *That's like
> >the lifeguard at the beach stealing your girlfriend then kicking sand in
> >your face before he walks away with her. *>:-o
>
> Thank you Gary. And that's exactly what Bryan has done here to me. No
> worries, I'n no pollyanna, I can "take it like a man", but I don't
> need this kind of shit in my life, right now or ever.
>
You started it every time. If you had quit responding to any and all
of my posts that had nothing to do with you, instead of feeling the
need to point out what you see as my personality flaws every chance
you got, none of this would have happened. That should have happened
a long time ago.
I may be obsessed with dietary fats, but you've been obsessed with
me. Which is weirder? You stop the personal attacks, I'll follow
suit. Your choice.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

Bryan wrote:
>
> On Mar 21, 7:16 am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am a medical professional Bryan.
>
> No. You're not. You merely have the license and degree to be "a
> medical professional."

Well, that's more than I've got. "Professional" ppl can be unemployed too.
It's kind of low to pick on someone going through hard times. That's like
the lifeguard at the beach stealing your girlfriend then kicking sand in
your face before he walks away with her. >:-o

I've got a mere Associates degree in Business Administration and I'm
painting houses for a living right now. All of the other guys are
high-school dropouts (and druggies). It works for me now though....it pays
the bills. That said though, an Associates degree doesn't do much for
you anyway these days.

Any work is honorable work and no one should look down on even the lowliest
workers.
From the movie, Caddyshack, "The world needs ditchdiggers."

The people that I look down on (and I know one) are those that get layed off
and milk the unemployment until it runs out....rather than go out and find a
new job. I could have gone on partial unemployment this past winter but I
wasn't brought up that way. I went out and found my own work to keep me
going until the company work picked up again.

The other guy (and he got layed off back in July) has sat on his ass all
this time and drew unemployment while watching daytime television. We
talked a couple of weeks ago and I mentioned that if company work doesn't
pick back up soon I might go back into business for myself. His answer:
"Why would you do that? You'll lose all your unemployment benefits and
payments. "

sheez! Gary

On 3/21/2012 1:06 PM, Gary wrote:
> "George M. Middius" wrote:
>>
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
>>> rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
>>> Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?
>>
>> Depends. Which one can dial 911 faster?
>
> Sadly, if I fell to the ground at work with crushing chest pains, my stupid
> ass co-workers would probably just stand around and watch me die.>:-[]

I've been lucky recently to have great people working on my house,
but there have been times I've had people like your co-workers.
I chalked it up to heavy pot smoking before work.

nancy

On Mar 21, 10:35*am, Gary > wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:14:50 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> > >Any work is honorable work and no one should look down on even the lowliest
> > >workers.
> > >From the movie, Caddyshack, "The world needs ditchdiggers." *
>
> > I agree! Funny you mention ditch diggers though, as when I was a child
> > my mother used to stress the importance of an education "else I might
> > become a ditch digger". Today they are called heavy equipment
> > operators and some can make into the six figure income range! ;-)
>
> People think a trash man is a crappy job. *They make more than I do plus all
> the benefits that I don't have right now.
>
> Also...someone wants to diss you for being a trash man? *Just let them go on
> strike and see how everyone realizes how much they need them.
>
>
>
> > >The people that I look down on (and I know one) are those that get layed off
> > >and milk the unemployment until it runs out....rather than go out and find a
> > >new job. *I could have gone on partial unemployment this past winter but I
> > >wasn't brought up that way. *I went out and found my own work to keep me
> > >going until the company work picked up again.
>
> > ...
>
> > I have not since I've been unemployed as a nurse collected any
> > unemployment.
>
> Don't get me wrong. *Unemployment is there for people that need it and are
> trying to get another job and it can be a life saver. *My only problem is
> with those that jump right on it, then stay on it as long as they can vs
> trying to find a new job. *In my area here, there's always a job to be
> found. *It might not be what you want but it can suffice until the better
> one becomes available.
>
> Gary

It's a shame that more people don't think like you, Gary. You sound
like a person that has a lot of character, besides being one!

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:36:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:

> >Huh? When I used to participate here on a regular basis, you two were "Big
> >Buddies"? What did I miss?
>
> You missed Bryan being a patent asshole to me here on RFC. And since
> our "friendship" had diminished to almost nothing at this point in our
> lives anyway, I decided to end it, finally.
>
> John Kuthe...

You haven't ended it, John. Neither has Brian. A total end means no more
contact but you two still write and try to cut each other down constantly.
If you don't give a crap about someone, you don't even acknowledge them.
"Shunning" is the word that comes to mind.

You two used to be good friends and even lived together once, if I remember
correctly. You BOTH still care about that friendship or you wouldn't keep
bickering back and forth. It's somewhat amusing for me to read but it's also
sad too. Best friends are friends forever and rare to find. Life is too
short to trash one.

May I suggest that you two get together sometime, share a few beers, and
talk about the OLD good times. Both of you apologize for the recent crap
that you've said about each other. Neither of you can change the past, but
you can agree to start fresh and let the friendship continue.

Dammit John and Brian.... kiss and make up. (but not in a *** way)

Gary

On Mar 21, 10:54*am, Gary > wrote:
> merryb wrote:
>
> > On Mar 21, 10:35 am, Gary > wrote:
> > > John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:14:50 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> > > > >Any work is honorable work and no one should look down on even the lowliest
> > > > >workers.
> > > > >From the movie, Caddyshack, "The world needs ditchdiggers." *
>
> > > > I agree! Funny you mention ditch diggers though, as when I was a child
> > > > my mother used to stress the importance of an education "else I might
> > > > become a ditch digger". Today they are called heavy equipment
> > > > operators and some can make into the six figure income range! ;-)
>
> > > People think a trash man is a crappy job. *They make more than I do plus all
> > > the benefits that I don't have right now.
>
> > > Also...someone wants to diss you for being a trash man? *Just let them go on
> > > strike and see how everyone realizes how much they need them.
>
> > > > >The people that I look down on (and I know one) are those that get layed off
> > > > >and milk the unemployment until it runs out....rather than go out and find a
> > > > >new job. *I could have gone on partial unemployment this past winter but I
> > > > >wasn't brought up that way. *I went out and found my own work to keep me
> > > > >going until the company work picked up again.
>
> > > > ...
>
> > > > I have not since I've been unemployed as a nurse collected any
> > > > unemployment.
>
> > > Don't get me wrong. *Unemployment is there for people that need it and are
> > > trying to get another job and it can be a life saver. *My only problem is
> > > with those that jump right on it, then stay on it as long as they can vs
> > > trying to find a new job. *In my area here, there's always a job to be
> > > found. *It might not be what you want but it can suffice until the better
> > > one becomes available.
>
> > > Gary
>
> > It's a shame that more people don't think like you, Gary. You sound
> > like a person that has a lot of character, besides being one!
>
> Besides being one? *WTH? *heheheh *;-D
>
> Gary
>
> PS - thank you for the compliment! Some ppl call me stupid for thinking the
> way I do.

Hey, it takes one to know one! A character, not stupid...

Gary wrote:

>People think a trash man is a crappy job. They make more than I do plus all
>the benefits that I don't have right now.

There's that old tradeoff business. Crappy job, but it has to be done,
can't be offshored to China, so they have to pay what it takes to get
reliable workers.

"George M. Middius" wrote:
>
> John Kuthe wrote:
>
> >If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
> >rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
> >Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?
>
> Depends. Which one can dial 911 faster?

Sadly, if I fell to the ground at work with crushing chest pains, my stupid
ass co-workers would probably just stand around and watch me die. >:-[]

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:14:50 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> >Any work is honorable work and no one should look down on even the lowliest
> >workers.
> >From the movie, Caddyshack, "The world needs ditchdiggers."
>
> I agree! Funny you mention ditch diggers though, as when I was a child
> my mother used to stress the importance of an education "else I might
> become a ditch digger". Today they are called heavy equipment
> operators and some can make into the six figure income range! ;-)

People think a trash man is a crappy job. They make more than I do plus all
the benefits that I don't have right now.

Also...someone wants to diss you for being a trash man? Just let them go on
strike and see how everyone realizes how much they need them.

>
> >The people that I look down on (and I know one) are those that get layed off
> >and milk the unemployment until it runs out....rather than go out and find a
> >new job. I could have gone on partial unemployment this past winter but I
> >wasn't brought up that way. I went out and found my own work to keep me
> >going until the company work picked up again.
>
> ...
>
> I have not since I've been unemployed as a nurse collected any
> unemployment.

Don't get me wrong. Unemployment is there for people that need it and are
trying to get another job and it can be a life saver. My only problem is
with those that jump right on it, then stay on it as long as they can vs
trying to find a new job. In my area here, there's always a job to be
found. It might not be what you want but it can suffice until the better
one becomes available.

Gary

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:14:50 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Bryan wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 21, 7:16 am, John Kuthe > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I am a medical professional Bryan.
>>
>> No. You're not. You merely have the license and degree to be "a
>> medical professional."
>
>Well, that's more than I've got. "Professional" ppl can be unemployed too.
>It's kind of low to pick on someone going through hard times. That's like
>the lifeguard at the beach stealing your girlfriend then kicking sand in
>your face before he walks away with her. >:-o
>
>I've got a mere Associates degree in Business Administration and I'm
>painting houses for a living right now. All of the other guys are
>high-school dropouts (and druggies). It works for me now though....it pays
>the bills. That said though, an Associates degree doesn't do much for
>you anyway these days.
>
>Any work is honorable work and no one should look down on even the lowliest
>workers.
>From the movie, Caddyshack, "The world needs ditchdiggers."
>
>The people that I look down on (and I know one) are those that get layed off
>and milk the unemployment until it runs out....rather than go out and find a
>new job. I could have gone on partial unemployment this past winter but I
>wasn't brought up that way. I went out and found my own work to keep me
>going until the company work picked up again.
>
>The other guy (and he got layed off back in July) has sat on his ass all
>this time and drew unemployment while watching daytime television. We
>talked a couple of weeks ago and I mentioned that if company work doesn't
>pick back up soon I might go back into business for myself. His answer:
>"Why would you do that? You'll lose all your unemployment benefits and
>payments. "
>
>sheez! Gary

There's noting wrong with painting houses, as a young teen I did house
painting jobs in the hood, one summer zI painted every stopp on the
block. You can earn more painting houses than you can with an AA
degree... heck, you can earn more painting houses than you can with a
doctorate. And painting houses I bet you don't declare that income so
you pay no taxes. Unemployment insurance is a ridiculous concept, it
encourages folks to become idle do nothings. There are plenty of jobs
out there, just not driving a desk... most jobs that are always
available require one getting dirty hands, calluses, and perspiring.
I've met several people recently who were laid off from their soft
office jobs including a few teachers and instead of applying for
unemployment insurance they immediately became self employed doing
jobs requiring physical labor, they get paid in cash too and will
probably never go back to their previous line of work because they net
a much larger paycheck working for themselves. My last tenant was a
special ed teacher, recently was laid off. When she had her job she
moonlighted cleaning houses and offices, now she cleans full time and
more than doubled her salary, and is her own boss and loves it. I
know another for who losing his job was the impetus for fulfilling his
long time dream, opening his own bicycle shop... he's doing very well
with sales and repairs and especially now with the high price of gas
people are buying bicycles as fast as they become available... there's
actually a shortage now. Last year I hired a guy to clean my gutters,
he was laid off from Allstate Insurance after 15 years... he makes
much more cleaning gutters... now he installs gutters too. And I know
several of the locals who have become full time painters. One of my
neighbor's sons was laid off last year. He was always a car fanatic,
his Stang was always spotless, now he does car detailing full time
from home, he makes over $400 a day and has to turn jobs away for lack
of time. There will always be lots of work for those willing to
actually work. Unemployment insurance is just another useless
grubbermint give away scheme.

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:08:06 -0700 (PDT), Bryan
> wrote:
....
>You started it every time.
....

Of course I did Bryan. That's what your delusion has to tell you so
that you can remain blameless.

John Kuthe...

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:46:00 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:36:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>
>> >Huh? When I used to participate here on a regular basis, you two were "Big
>> >Buddies"? What did I miss?
>>
>> You missed Bryan being a patent asshole to me here on RFC. And since
>> our "friendship" had diminished to almost nothing at this point in our
>> lives anyway, I decided to end it, finally.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>You haven't ended it, John. Neither has Brian. A total end means no more
>contact but you two still write and try to cut each other down constantly.
>If you don't give a crap about someone, you don't even acknowledge them.
>"Shunning" is the word that comes to mind.
>
>You two used to be good friends and even lived together once, if I remember
>correctly. You BOTH still care about that friendship or you wouldn't keep
>bickering back and forth. It's somewhat amusing for me to read but it's also
>sad too. Best friends are friends forever and rare to find. Life is too
>short to trash one.
>
>May I suggest that you two get together sometime, share a few beers, and
>talk about the OLD good times. Both of you apologize for the recent crap
>that you've said about each other. Neither of you can change the past, but
>you can agree to start fresh and let the friendship continue.
>
>Dammit John and Brian.... kiss and make up. (but not in a *** way)

Whaddaya mean, queer is their only way! LOL
This is not their first lover's spat, and won't be their last.

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:45:18 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>On 3/21/12 11:29 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>
>> I cannot discuss the nursing accomplishments I've had thus far in
>> detail, but I've caught a medication error, correctly assessed and
>> acted correctly on several emergency and non-emergendy medical
>> situations, correctly performed many medication administrations,
>> performed many nursing assessments and interventions including IV
>> starts, phlebotomy (obtaining blood samples), Foley catheter
>> initiation and changes, and others. Plus I've been through the BLS
>> certification course twice and passed both times.
>
>John- those things you mention are basic expectations for an RN. Heck,
>I've got my student preceptees doing those things too.

I know. I never got to do anything fancy in my jobs so far at long
term care facilities (nursing homes). Heck they didn't even let me
draw blood! They has a teck comein to do that.

What would YOU consider a high level nursing action?

John Kuthe...

merryb wrote:
>
> On Mar 21, 10:35 am, Gary > wrote:
> > John Kuthe wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:14:50 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> > > >Any work is honorable work and no one should look down on even the lowliest
> > > >workers.
> > > >From the movie, Caddyshack, "The world needs ditchdiggers."
> >
> > > I agree! Funny you mention ditch diggers though, as when I was a child
> > > my mother used to stress the importance of an education "else I might
> > > become a ditch digger". Today they are called heavy equipment
> > > operators and some can make into the six figure income range! ;-)
> >
> > People think a trash man is a crappy job. They make more than I do plus all
> > the benefits that I don't have right now.
> >
> > Also...someone wants to diss you for being a trash man? Just let them go on
> > strike and see how everyone realizes how much they need them.
> >
> >
> >
> > > >The people that I look down on (and I know one) are those that get layed off
> > > >and milk the unemployment until it runs out....rather than go out and find a
> > > >new job. I could have gone on partial unemployment this past winter but I
> > > >wasn't brought up that way. I went out and found my own work to keep me
> > > >going until the company work picked up again.
> >
> > > ...
> >
> > > I have not since I've been unemployed as a nurse collected any
> > > unemployment.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong. Unemployment is there for people that need it and are
> > trying to get another job and it can be a life saver. My only problem is
> > with those that jump right on it, then stay on it as long as they can vs
> > trying to find a new job. In my area here, there's always a job to be
> > found. It might not be what you want but it can suffice until the better
> > one becomes available.
> >
> > Gary
>
> It's a shame that more people don't think like you, Gary. You sound
> like a person that has a lot of character, besides being one!

Besides being one? WTH? heheheh ;-D

Gary

PS - thank you for the compliment! Some ppl call me stupid for thinking the
way I do.

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:36:05 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>On 3/21/12 10:43 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>> On 22/03/2012 1:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:13 -0400, George M. Middius
>>> > wrote:
>>> ....
>>>
>>> If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
>>> rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
>>> Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> I would rather have a nurse attending me who had a proven track record
>> in the field of nursing. You do not have that! You merely have scraps of
>> paper that prove you can pass exams.
>>
>A BLS card is basic CPR for anyone working in a hospital. The clerks and
>transport people have it too. And it doesn't mean squat when the holder
>hasn't ever participated in a code or arrest situation before and wets
>his pants wondering what to do?!

This is true too. There was a news report recently where some guy had
just been through his work's CPR training and he saved some guy with
an AED who has an MI and went into fibrillation. Heck those modern
AEDs are so easy to use you have to be a real moron to screw them up!

But still, the difference between who has the basic training and steps
up to the plane and acts correctly and someone who as you said "wets
their pants" while the person is fibrillating can mean the difference
betgwen life and death and you know it!

John Kuthe...

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:33:29 -0400, Goomba >
....
>
>Exactly how many times have you used that BLS? Did you know that the
>housekeepers, unit secretary and other unlicensed employees at the
>hospital also have a BLS card?

I'ver used it exactly 0 times so far. Which is good. But I've had the
training twice now, and that puts me far above anyone who has NOT has
the training and you know it.


>Try to impress us when you've got at least an ACLS card *and* some first
>hand experience in doing those compressions and pushing those drugs.....
>As to your "professionalism"-IME new grad nurses are wet behind the ear
>for at least a year after working (full time/same job). If you piece
>together all the time and various jobs you've worked as an RN since
>graduation will they even add up to be half a year?

I know. I in every way still feel like a newly graduated nurse,
almost. And I know I can't hold a candle to you old experienced nurses
who have been in so mnay different situations over yoru careers. I'd
home to learn from your experioence rathert than have to laud of over
me haughtily while giving me NO change to learn from you! But I guess
you were trained as a nurse back in the "Nurses eat their young" days!

John Kuthe...

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:46:00 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:36:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>
>> >Huh? When I used to participate here on a regular basis, you two were "Big
>> >Buddies"? What did I miss?
>>
>> You missed Bryan being a patent asshole to me here on RFC. And since
>> our "friendship" had diminished to almost nothing at this point in our
>> lives anyway, I decided to end it, finally.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>You haven't ended it, John. Neither has Brian. A total end means no more
>contact but you two still write and try to cut each other down constantly.
>If you don't give a crap about someone, you don't even acknowledge them.
>"Shunning" is the word that comes to mind.
>
>You two used to be good friends and even lived together once, if I remember
>correctly. You BOTH still care about that friendship or you wouldn't keep
>bickering back and forth. It's somewhat amusing for me to read but it's also
>sad too. Best friends are friends forever and rare to find. Life is too
>short to trash one.
>
>May I suggest that you two get together sometime, share a few beers, and
>talk about the OLD good times. \
....

Oh but Bryan doesn't drink beer anymore!! Too many carbs!! Feh! :-( He
drinks cheap vodka watered down and flavored wirth Raspberry Ketones!
Yay! @@!

That's what I mean when I say he has become NO FUN at all anymore.

No, I'll just let him wallow in his MCT oil/power sets delusional
heaven. I have NO INTEREST in participating in anything with Bryan
anymore. The last couple of times I went to his house or ? it felt to
me like I might as well not even been there at all anyway.

John Kuthe...

On Mar 21, 11:49*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:46:00 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >John Kuthe wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:36:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >Huh? When I used to participate here on a regular basis, you two were "Big
> >> >Buddies"? What did I miss?
>
> >> You missed Bryan being a patent asshole to me here on RFC. And since
> >> our "friendship" had diminished to almost nothing at this point in our
> >> lives anyway, I decided to end it, finally.
>
> >> John Kuthe...
>
> >You haven't ended it, John. Neither has Brian. *A total end means no more
> >contact but you two still write and try to cut each other down constantly.
> >If you don't give a crap about someone, you don't even acknowledge them.
> >"Shunning" is the word that comes to mind.
>
> >You two used to be good friends and even lived together once, if I remember
> >correctly. You BOTH still care about that friendship or you wouldn't keep
> >bickering back and forth. It's somewhat amusing for me to read but it's also
> >sad too. *Best friends are friends forever and rare to find. *Life is too
> >short to trash one.
>
> >May I suggest that you two get together sometime, share a few beers, and
> >talk about the OLD good times. \
>
> ...
>
> Oh but Bryan doesn't drink beer anymore!! Too many carbs!! Feh! :-( He
> drinks cheap vodka watered down and flavored wirth Raspberry Ketones!
> Yay! @@!
>
> That's what I mean when I say he has become NO FUN at all anymore.
>
> No, I'll just let him wallow in his MCT oil/power sets delusional
> heaven. I have NO INTEREST in participating in anything with Bryan
> anymore. The last couple of times I went to his house or ? it felt to
> me like I might as well not even been there at all anyway.
>
> John Kuthe...

Why don't you go over there to his house and work this out instead of
here?

On 22/03/2012 4:51 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:45:18 -0400, >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/21/12 11:29 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> I cannot discuss the nursing accomplishments I've had thus far in
>>> detail, but I've caught a medication error, correctly assessed and
>>> acted correctly on several emergency and non-emergendy medical
>>> situations, correctly performed many medication administrations,
>>> performed many nursing assessments and interventions including IV
>>> starts, phlebotomy (obtaining blood samples), Foley catheter
>>> initiation and changes, and others. Plus I've been through the BLS
>>> certification course twice and passed both times.
>>
>> John- those things you mention are basic expectations for an RN. Heck,
>> I've got my student preceptees doing those things too.
>
> I know. I never got to do anything fancy in my jobs so far at long
> term care facilities (nursing homes). Heck they didn't even let me
> draw blood! They has a teck comein to do that.
>
> What would YOU consider a high level nursing action?
>
> John Kuthe...

Obviously hospital hiring staff consider you a non-runner for employment
and, if you couldn't be trusted to do jabs in a nursing home, you can't
be considered a "professional" in ANY sense of the word.


--

Krypsis

On 22/03/2012 2:36 AM, Goomba wrote:
> On 3/21/12 10:43 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>> On 22/03/2012 1:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:13 -0400, George M. Middius
>>> > wrote:
>>> ....
>>>
>>> If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
>>> rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
>>> Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> I would rather have a nurse attending me who had a proven track record
>> in the field of nursing. You do not have that! You merely have scraps of
>> paper that prove you can pass exams.
>>
> A BLS card is basic CPR for anyone working in a hospital. The clerks and
> transport people have it too. And it doesn't mean squat when the holder
> hasn't ever participated in a code or arrest situation before and wets
> his pants wondering what to do?!

Indeed! I once knew a safety officer in a factory who would faint at the
sight of blood. He had ALL the requisite paperwork/certificates!

--

Krypsis

On 22/03/2012 4:56 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:36:05 -0400, >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/21/12 10:43 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>>> On 22/03/2012 1:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:13 -0400, George M. Middius
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> ....
>>>>
>>>> If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
>>>> rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
>>>> Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> I would rather have a nurse attending me who had a proven track record
>>> in the field of nursing. You do not have that! You merely have scraps of
>>> paper that prove you can pass exams.
>>>
>> A BLS card is basic CPR for anyone working in a hospital. The clerks and
>> transport people have it too. And it doesn't mean squat when the holder
>> hasn't ever participated in a code or arrest situation before and wets
>> his pants wondering what to do?!
>
> This is true too. There was a news report recently where some guy had
> just been through his work's CPR training and he saved some guy with
> an AED who has an MI and went into fibrillation. Heck those modern
> AEDs are so easy to use you have to be a real moron to screw them up!

Yet you can't be trusted in a situation where you might need to use one!
>
> But still, the difference between who has the basic training and steps
> up to the plane and acts correctly and someone who as you said "wets
> their pants" while the person is fibrillating can mean the difference
> betgwen life and death and you know it!

Even with the basic training you can't be trusted to act correctly in
such a situation.
>
> John Kuthe...
>
>
Give it a miss John! There's a very good reason why you aren't gainfully
employed in ANY of your chosen fields.

--

Krypsis

On 22/03/2012 2:33 AM, Goomba wrote:
> On 3/21/12 10:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:10:13 -0400, George M. Middius
>> > wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> If you fell to the ground with crushing chest pain, who would you
>> rather have attend to you? Me, a registered nurse with BLS (Basic Life
>> Support) certification or a 20+ year janitor?
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> Exactly how many times have you used that BLS? Did you know that the
> housekeepers, unit secretary and other unlicensed employees at the
> hospital also have a BLS card?
> Try to impress us when you've got at least an ACLS card *and* some first
> hand experience in doing those compressions and pushing those drugs.....
> As to your "professionalism"-IME new grad nurses are wet behind the ear
> for at least a year after working (full time/same job). If you piece
> together all the time and various jobs you've worked as an RN since
> graduation will they even add up to be half a year?

He gets the flick even before the end of his trial period.

--

Krypsis

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:24:49 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> Oh but Bryan doesn't drink beer anymore!! Too many carbs!! Feh! :-( He
>> drinks cheap vodka watered down and flavored with Raspberry Ketones!
>> Yay! @@!
>
>Yeah I saw that the other day when he mentioned it. Excuse me for my
>ignorance but WTH is a raspberry ketone? :-o

Just the latest in Bryan's expensive custom majic potions that's gonna
make him live forever and "strong like bear"! And he can eat as much
fat as he wants, even do shots of oils, and never gain a lb! You just
watch!

@@@!

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Oh but Bryan doesn't drink beer anymore!! Too many carbs!! Feh! :-( He
> drinks cheap vodka watered down and flavored with Raspberry Ketones!
> Yay! @@!

Yeah I saw that the other day when he mentioned it. Excuse me for my
ignorance but WTH is a raspberry ketone? :-o

On Mar 21, 1:49*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:46:00 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >John Kuthe wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:36:48 +0200, ChattyCathy
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >Huh? When I used to participate here on a regular basis, you two were "Big
> >> >Buddies"? What did I miss?
>
> >> You missed Bryan being a patent asshole to me here on RFC. And since
> >> our "friendship" had diminished to almost nothing at this point in our
> >> lives anyway, I decided to end it, finally.
>
> >> John Kuthe...
>
> >You haven't ended it, John. Neither has Brian. *A total end means no more
> >contact but you two still write and try to cut each other down constantly.
> >If you don't give a crap about someone, you don't even acknowledge them.
> >"Shunning" is the word that comes to mind.
>
> >You two used to be good friends and even lived together once, if I remember
> >correctly. You BOTH still care about that friendship or you wouldn't keep
> >bickering back and forth. It's somewhat amusing for me to read but it's also
> >sad too. *Best friends are friends forever and rare to find. *Life is too
> >short to trash one.
>
> >May I suggest that you two get together sometime, share a few beers, and
> >talk about the OLD good times. \
>
> ...
>
> Oh but Bryan doesn't drink beer anymore!! Too many carbs!! Feh! :-( He
> drinks cheap vodka watered down and flavored wirth Raspberry Ketones!
> Yay! @@!

Actually, I drink medium priced vodka with fresh squeezed lemon and/or
lime juice, pure sucralose, and sometimes flavored with a little
raspberry ketone. Now that I've transitioned to a reasonably flexible
cyclic/targeted keto regime, I let myself have beer at least once a
week. Usually it's crappy low carb beer, but today it's Negra
Modelo. I also had some nice 85% cocoa chocolate and almost a pound
of strawberries. Aldi has them for 99 cents right now.
>
> That's what I mean when I say he has become NO FUN at all anymore.
>
> No, I'll just let him wallow in his MCT oil/power sets delusional heaven.

The sets were pretty brutal, but I already have bigger pecs than I
have ever had, and all three sets of deltoids are looking good too.
My abdominal obliques are perhaps a bit over-developed in relation to
the lower back muscles, and I've had a bit of back pain the past few
days. I don't think it's from too intense back extensions, but too
much ab work.

> I have NO INTEREST in participating in anything with Bryan anymore.

You do seem interested in continuing to start conflicts with me.

> The last couple of times I went to his house or ? it felt to
> me like I might as well not even been there at all anyway.

I'm not sure why that motivated you to pick fights with me. Seems to
me that the most appropriate response would be to just ignore me.
Instead of trading insults with you, I'll just answer insults with a
reasonable amount of civility. Perhaps you'll get bored with giving
me shit, or perhaps not. I've come to dislike you, as you have me,
but I don't wish you ill, and this whole thing has gotten boring.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Bryan
> wrote:
....

Oh, look who gets all reasonable-sounding!

Feh!

Suffice to say Bryan, that there have been and are some things we
should never say to each other, and you crossed that line.

John Kuthe...

On Mar 21, 7:07*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT), > wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Oh, look who gets all reasonable-sounding!
>
> Feh!
>
> Suffice to say Bryan, that there have been and are some things we
> should never say to each other, and you crossed that line.

You don't get to decide where that line is. I think that you crossed
the line before I did, but let's agree to disagree. I'm not asking
you to like me or ever have anything to do with me again, but let's
cut out all of the open hostility. I'm not saying that I was
reasonable before, but I don't feel that I was any more unreasonable
than you. Again, you may disagree, but I hope that you agree that
there's nothing to be gained by continuing what either/both have us
have posted here.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:57:53 -0700 (PDT), Bryan
> wrote:

>On Mar 21, 7:07*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT), > wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Oh, look who gets all reasonable-sounding!
>>
>> Feh!
>>
>> Suffice to say Bryan, that there have been and are some things we
>> should never say to each other, and you crossed that line.
>
>You don't get to decide where that line is.

When it's directed at me, yes I do!


>I think that you crossed
>the line before I did, but let's agree to disagree. I'm not asking
>you to like me or ever have anything to do with me again, but let's
>cut out all of the open hostility. I'm not saying that I was
>reasonable before, but I don't feel that I was any more unreasonable
>than you. Again, you may disagree, but I hope that you agree that
>there's nothing to be gained by continuing what either/both have us
>have posted here.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>--Bryan

You made an enemy by being the mean person you are, now deal with it!

John Kuthe...