I have been having trouble with my little cat getting on the counters and
even on the stove! For obvious reasons I do not want her there. Her mom
has never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom discovered the bar
stool. She hopped up there. Then the baby wanted up there but they both
wouldn't fit. So today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
both are the colors of the kitchen and the one we got today is open at the
bottom so my step stool can tuck underneath.

Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit up on them and watch
us cook which is all they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the counter since!

(Julie*Bove) claiming:
>I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>we got today is open at the bottom so my
>step stool can tuck underneath.
>Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>up on them and watch us cook which is all
>they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>counter since!----------------------------------------------


I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17 years
were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the stool I had in
corner now training new cat same rules.

Risk of pets getting hurt is to high especially in a very small one plus
the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And the
thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.

ms. tonya wrote:
>> (Julie Bove) claiming:
>> I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>> on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>> reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>> never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>> discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>> baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>> today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>> both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>> we got today is open at the bottom so my
>> step stool can tuck underneath.
>> Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>> up on them and watch us cook which is all
>> they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>> smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>> counter since!----------------------------------------------
>
>
> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17
> years were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the stool
> I had in corner now training new cat same rules.
>
> Risk of pets getting hurt is to high especially in a very small one
> plus the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And
> the thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.

Maybe you have a door to your kitchen. We do not. Our house is an open
design. You can see from one end to the other of it. And there is no way
to get from the living room to the family room without crossing the kitchen.
There is no way to keep them out.

All of my pets have been allowed in the kitchen. Some even got fed in
there. Our kitchen is very small so no place to feed them and no plug in
down low for their fountain.

My old cat never jumped on things and AFAIK never got onto the counter. I
do know that at some point she must have because I found a bag of golf tees
open and one tee removed. She was playing with it. But I never saw her up
there and she rarely got under my feet.

The baby we have now gets under my feet all the time. Hopefully that will
stop now.

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:03:45 -0400, (ms. tonya)
wrote:

(Julie*Bove) claiming:
>>I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>>on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>>reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>>never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>>discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>>baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>>today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>>both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>>we got today is open at the bottom so my
>>step stool can tuck underneath.
>>Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>>up on them and watch us cook which is all
>>they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>>smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>>counter since!----------------------------------------------
>
>
>I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17 years
>were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the stool I had in
>corner now training new cat same rules.
>
>Risk of pets getting hurt is to high

Cats are amazingly adept at avoiding being hurt inside a house, they
know their way about far better than you do, and it's easy to cat
proof the danger zones, far easier than to child proof a house.

>especially in a very small one plus
>the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And the
>thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.

Where are your cats kept that their hair can't travel in the air
throughout your entire abode? If you don't want to live with your
pets then you shouldn't have pets... they'd be happier without you
too.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:03:45 -0400, (ms. tonya)
> wrote:
>
>>> (Julie Bove) claiming:
>>> I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>>> on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>>> reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>>> never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>>> discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>>> baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>>> today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>>> both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>>> we got today is open at the bottom so my
>>> step stool can tuck underneath.
>>> Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>>> up on them and watch us cook which is all
>>> they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>>> smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>>> counter since!----------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17
>> years were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the
>> stool I had in corner now training new cat same rules.
>>
>> Risk of pets getting hurt is to high
>
> Cats are amazingly adept at avoiding being hurt inside a house, they
> know their way about far better than you do, and it's easy to cat
> proof the danger zones, far easier than to child proof a house.
>
>> especially in a very small one plus
>> the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And the
>> thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.
>
> Where are your cats kept that their hair can't travel in the air
> throughout your entire abode? If you don't want to live with your
> pets then you shouldn't have pets... they'd be happier without you
> too.

Indeed. Our current cats shed very little. Mom appears to be a black
Siamese. Very short, sleek fur. Baby is a brown tabby and her fur is
sparse but feels slightly fluffier. Still really on the short side. Our
old brown tabby had slightly longer and much thicker fur all over and very
thick, long fur on the tummy. A brushing session for her this time of year
would yield enough fur to cover a young kitten. And yet even with her I did
not ever find wads of fur in various places. The one dog that we had would
leave wads of fur. And if she sat on my lap there would be fur all over me
when she got up. I have never gotten fur on me from my cats except perhaps
when they go to the vet. They will shed like mad there!

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:52:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:03:45 -0400, (ms. tonya)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> (Julie Bove) claiming:
>>>> I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>>>> on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>>>> reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>>>> never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>>>> discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>>>> baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>>>> today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>>>> both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>>>> we got today is open at the bottom so my
>>>> step stool can tuck underneath.
>>>> Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>>>> up on them and watch us cook which is all
>>>> they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>>>> smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>>>> counter since!----------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17
>>> years were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the
>>> stool I had in corner now training new cat same rules.
>>>
>>> Risk of pets getting hurt is to high
>>
>> Cats are amazingly adept at avoiding being hurt inside a house, they
>> know their way about far better than you do, and it's easy to cat
>> proof the danger zones, far easier than to child proof a house.
>>
>>> especially in a very small one plus
>>> the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And the
>>> thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.
>>
>> Where are your cats kept that their hair can't travel in the air
>> throughout your entire abode? If you don't want to live with your
>> pets then you shouldn't have pets... they'd be happier without you
>> too.
>
>Indeed. Our current cats shed very little. Mom appears to be a black
>Siamese. Very short, sleek fur. Baby is a brown tabby and her fur is
>sparse but feels slightly fluffier. Still really on the short side. Our
>old brown tabby had slightly longer and much thicker fur all over and very
>thick, long fur on the tummy. A brushing session for her this time of year
>would yield enough fur to cover a young kitten. And yet even with her I did
>not ever find wads of fur in various places. The one dog that we had would
>leave wads of fur. And if she sat on my lap there would be fur all over me
>when she got up. I have never gotten fur on me from my cats except perhaps
>when they go to the vet. They will shed like mad there!
>

We have 2 bar stools in an open concept type kitchen. They both jump
up on them to drink from the watering can on the counter, although we
have 2 watering things with flow and filters that hum 24/7 in other
rooms. Cats for you!

aloha,
Cea

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>I have been having trouble with my little cat getting on the counters and
>even on the stove! For obvious reasons I do not want her there. Her mom
>has never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom discovered the bar
>stool. She hopped up there. Then the baby wanted up there but they both
>wouldn't fit. So today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>both are the colors of the kitchen and the one we got today is open at the
>bottom so my step stool can tuck underneath.
>
> Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit up on them and
> watch us cook which is all they wanted to do to begin with. They were
> both smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the counter
> since!

Humans can live in peace with cats. You can also scare cats away from
countr by covering them in tape laid dow sticky side up. A couple incidents
with that and they'll avoide the counters. Me, I have no problem with it
sice I wipe fown my couters before and after use. My dearly departed Noel
used to be my sous chef. I sure miss that.

Paul

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:19:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I have been having trouble with my little cat getting on the counters and
>even on the stove! For obvious reasons I do not want her there. Her mom
>has never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom discovered the bar
>stool. She hopped up there. Then the baby wanted up there but they both
>wouldn't fit. So today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>both are the colors of the kitchen and the one we got today is open at the
>bottom so my step stool can tuck underneath.
>
>Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit up on them and watch
>us cook which is all they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the counter since!
>

Like this?
http://medias.photodeck.com/3569a8e8...115_xlarge.jpg

> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:19:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>I have been having trouble with my little cat getting on the counters and
>>even on the stove! For obvious reasons I do not want her there. Her mom
>>has never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom discovered the
>>bar
>>stool. She hopped up there. Then the baby wanted up there but they both
>>wouldn't fit. So today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>>both are the colors of the kitchen and the one we got today is open at the
>>bottom so my step stool can tuck underneath.
>>
>>Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit up on them and
>>watch
>>us cook which is all they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>>smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the counter since!
>>
>
> Like this?
> http://medias.photodeck.com/3569a8e8...115_xlarge.jpg

Ha! Not quite.

I never allow cats in kitchen. They are disgusting. I permit puppies and dogs. They are clean and never peep in every other vessel filled with food. So its fine with dogs.

On Mar 26, 6:03*pm, (ms. tonya) wrote:

> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17 years
> were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the stool I had in
> corner now training new cat same rules.
>

Our cats and dogs are welcome in any room in the house. There really
isn't a safety issue, and hair isn't that big a deal. There will
always be hair around since it can float from one room to the next and
ride on our clothes anyway. The dogs get fed in the kitchen. It
doesn't take much work to teach the cats that they are not allowed on
kitchen or dining room counters or tables. They know they can be on
tables in other rooms, dressers, bathroom counters, etc. It has been
years since I have seen any cat on the kitchen counter.

We also wash the counters before fixing food, and we don't prepare
food directly on the counter anyway. We put down a cutting board,
plate, or some type of dish.

On Mar 26, 6:52*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:

> when she got up. *I have never gotten fur on me from my cats except perhaps
> when they go to the vet. *They will shed like mad there!

This is actually a natural fear response. It's the same reason that
there will be wads of fur if there is a cat food. When a cat is
scared, the fur comes out easily. In the wild, the predator would
hopefully get a mouthful of fur rather than cat.

"RussianFoodDire" > wrote in
message ...
>
> I never allow cats in kitchen. They are disgusting. I permit puppies and
> dogs. They are clean and never peep in every other vessel filled with
> food. So its fine with dogs.

As one who has owned both cats and dogs I very much must disagree. I think
dogs are dirty. Cats are very clean.

"ms. tonya" > wrote in message
...
>I never would let pets in my kitchen period,

>

"RussianFoodDire" > wrote in
message ...
>
> I never allow cats in kitchen. They are disgusting. I permit puppies and
> dogs. They are clean and never peep in every other vessel filled with
> food. So its fine with dogs.

Dogs eat feces and lick their assholes, that must be why you like them.

"news" > wrote in
:

>> I never allow cats in kitchen. They are disgusting. I permit
>> puppies and dogs. They are clean and never peep in every
>> other vessel filled with food. So its fine with dogs.
>
> Dogs eat feces and lick their assholes, that must be why you
> like them.

So do cats. Our animals, three cats and a dog, are fed in the
kitchen and sometimes sleep on kitchen chairs. We don't allow
them on the table (although we can`t stop them at night).

The litter boxes are in the basement and on the top floor and two
of the cats and the dog do their stuff outside unless the weather
is "uncatlike".

One opinion which I consider has some legs regarding illnesses
and the spike of allergies suggests that we have lost long-term
symbiotic partners through excessive cleanliness, a process which
makes us more susceptible to every passing bug and allergen and
contributes to our lack of resistance to illness.

http://news.discovery.com/human/para...maggots-worms-
medicine.html

http://tinyurl.com/27bhma8

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...le-481875/The-
bloodsucking-worm-fights-allergies-inside-tummy.html

http://tinyurl.com/cyabj7e

--

"Dissent is what rescues democracy from a
quiet death behind closed doors." -- Lewis
H. Lapham

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> "news" > wrote in
> :
>
>>> I never allow cats in kitchen. They are disgusting. I permit
>>> puppies and dogs. They are clean and never peep in every
>>> other vessel filled with food. So its fine with dogs.
>>
>> Dogs eat feces and lick their assholes, that must be why you
>> like them.
>
> So do cats. Our animals, three cats and a dog, are fed in the
> kitchen and sometimes sleep on kitchen chairs. We don't allow
> them on the table (although we can`t stop them at night).
>
> The litter boxes are in the basement and on the top floor and two
> of the cats and the dog do their stuff outside unless the weather
> is "uncatlike".
>
> One opinion which I consider has some legs regarding illnesses
> and the spike of allergies suggests that we have lost long-term
> symbiotic partners through excessive cleanliness, a process which
> makes us more susceptible to every passing bug and allergen and
> contributes to our lack of resistance to illness.
>
> http://news.discovery.com/human/para...maggots-worms-
> medicine.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/27bhma8
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...le-481875/The-
> bloodsucking-worm-fights-allergies-inside-tummy.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cyabj7e

Cats might lick their butts, but eat cat litter? Never! Our dog thought
"kitty nonpareils" were a gourmet treat.
I agree that we need more exposure to bugs.

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 02:44:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> As one who has owned both cats and dogs I very much must disagree. I think
> dogs are dirty. Cats are very clean.

As one who has owned both, I disagree. The hair problem depends on
the type of dog you choose. Cats are dirtier if you count their
litter boxes.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:42:39 -0700, meh > wrote:

I'm NOT coming to your house!!!
>
Gee, I'm heartbroken.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Julie Bove wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:03:45 -0400, (ms. tonya)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> (Julie Bove) claiming:
>>>> I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>>>> on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>>>> reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>>>> never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>>>> discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>>>> baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>>>> today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>>>> both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>>>> we got today is open at the bottom so my
>>>> step stool can tuck underneath.
>>>> Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>>>> up on them and watch us cook which is all
>>>> they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>>>> smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>>>> counter since!----------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17
>>> years were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the
>>> stool I had in corner now training new cat same rules.
>>>
>>> Risk of pets getting hurt is to high
>> Cats are amazingly adept at avoiding being hurt inside a house, they
>> know their way about far better than you do, and it's easy to cat
>> proof the danger zones, far easier than to child proof a house.
>>
>>> especially in a very small one plus
>>> the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And the
>>> thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.
>> Where are your cats kept that their hair can't travel in the air
>> throughout your entire abode? If you don't want to live with your
>> pets then you shouldn't have pets... they'd be happier without you
>> too.
>
> Indeed. Our current cats shed very little. Mom appears to be a black
> Siamese. Very short, sleek fur. Baby is a brown tabby and her fur is
> sparse but feels slightly fluffier. Still really on the short side. Our
> old brown tabby had slightly longer and much thicker fur all over and very
> thick, long fur on the tummy. A brushing session for her this time of year
> would yield enough fur to cover a young kitten. And yet even with her I did
> not ever find wads of fur in various places. The one dog that we had would
> leave wads of fur. And if she sat on my lap there would be fur all over me
> when she got up. I have never gotten fur on me from my cats except perhaps
> when they go to the vet. They will shed like mad there!
>
>
I seem to recall that stress can do that.

--
Jean B.

Michel Boucher wrote:
> "news" > wrote in
> :
>
>>> I never allow cats in kitchen. They are disgusting. I permit
>>> puppies and dogs. They are clean and never peep in every
>>> other vessel filled with food. So its fine with dogs.
>> Dogs eat feces and lick their assholes, that must be why you
>> like them.
>
> So do cats. Our animals, three cats and a dog, are fed in the
> kitchen and sometimes sleep on kitchen chairs. We don't allow
> them on the table (although we can`t stop them at night).
>
> The litter boxes are in the basement and on the top floor and two
> of the cats and the dog do their stuff outside unless the weather
> is "uncatlike".
>
> One opinion which I consider has some legs regarding illnesses
> and the spike of allergies suggests that we have lost long-term
> symbiotic partners through excessive cleanliness, a process which
> makes us more susceptible to every passing bug and allergen and
> contributes to our lack of resistance to illness.
>
> http://news.discovery.com/human/para...maggots-worms-
> medicine.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/27bhma8
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...le-481875/The-
> bloodsucking-worm-fights-allergies-inside-tummy.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cyabj7e
>
Yes, I agree with the basic premise. Even worse, if one uses
toxic products to keep things ultra-clean and sterile.

--
Jean B.

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:29:14 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:03:45 -0400, (ms. tonya)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> (Julie Bove) claiming:
>>>>> I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>>>>> on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>>>>> reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>>>>> never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>>>>> discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>>>>> baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>>>>> today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>>>>> both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>>>>> we got today is open at the bottom so my
>>>>> step stool can tuck underneath.
>>>>> Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>>>>> up on them and watch us cook which is all
>>>>> they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>>>>> smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>>>>> counter since!----------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17
>>>> years were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the
>>>> stool I had in corner now training new cat same rules.
>>>>
>>>> Risk of pets getting hurt is to high
>>>
>>> Cats are amazingly adept at avoiding being hurt inside a house, they
>>> know their way about far better than you do, and it's easy to cat
>>> proof the danger zones, far easier than to child proof a house.
>>>
>>>> especially in a very small one plus
>>>> the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And the
>>>> thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.
>>>
>>> Where are your cats kept that their hair can't travel in the air
>>> throughout your entire abode? If you don't want to live with your
>>> pets then you shouldn't have pets... they'd be happier without you
>>> too.
>>
>> Indeed. Our current cats shed very little. Mom appears to be a black
>> Siamese. Very short, sleek fur. Baby is a brown tabby and her fur is
>> sparse but feels slightly fluffier. Still really on the short side. Our
>> old brown tabby had slightly longer and much thicker fur all over and very
>> thick, long fur on the tummy. A brushing session for her this time of year
>> would yield enough fur to cover a young kitten. And yet even with her I did
>> not ever find wads of fur in various places. The one dog that we had would
>> leave wads of fur. And if she sat on my lap there would be fur all over me
>> when she got up. I have never gotten fur on me from my cats except perhaps
>> when they go to the vet. They will shed like mad there!
>>
>>
>I seem to recall that stress can do that.

Humans shed when stressed too, hair and skin... some even wet their
pants. LOL The only people who complain about pet hair are those who
are slobs themselves... if one dusts/vacuums their abode and brushes
their pets regularly there will be very little pet hair. My cats can
go wherever they want, they have free reign of the house, naturally
they sleep in my bed, that's how we like it. And cats belong in the
kitchen, their main job is to protect the food from vermin.
The cat's cradle: http://tinypic.com/r/126dbet/5
Mice, what mice: http://tinypic.com/r/2ldzo91/5

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:29:14 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

> Julie Bove wrote:
> > I have never gotten fur on me from my cats except perhaps
> > when they go to the vet. They will shed like mad there!
> >
> >
> I seem to recall that stress can do that.

Humans do that too. They also gray faster.


--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:29:14 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:03:45 -0400, (ms. tonya)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> (Julie Bove) claiming:
>>>>>> I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>>>>>> on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>>>>>> reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>>>>>> never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>>>>>> discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>>>>>> baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>>>>>> today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>>>>>> both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>>>>>> we got today is open at the bottom so my
>>>>>> step stool can tuck underneath.
>>>>>> Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>>>>>> up on them and watch us cook which is all
>>>>>> they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>>>>>> smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>>>>>> counter since!----------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17
>>>>> years were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the
>>>>> stool I had in corner now training new cat same rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> Risk of pets getting hurt is to high
>>>>
>>>> Cats are amazingly adept at avoiding being hurt inside a house, they
>>>> know their way about far better than you do, and it's easy to cat
>>>> proof the danger zones, far easier than to child proof a house.
>>>>
>>>>> especially in a very small one plus
>>>>> the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And the
>>>>> thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.
>>>>
>>>> Where are your cats kept that their hair can't travel in the air
>>>> throughout your entire abode? If you don't want to live with your
>>>> pets then you shouldn't have pets... they'd be happier without you
>>>> too.
>>>
>>> Indeed. Our current cats shed very little. Mom appears to be a black
>>> Siamese. Very short, sleek fur. Baby is a brown tabby and her fur is
>>> sparse but feels slightly fluffier. Still really on the short side.
>>> Our
>>> old brown tabby had slightly longer and much thicker fur all over and
>>> very
>>> thick, long fur on the tummy. A brushing session for her this time of
>>> year
>>> would yield enough fur to cover a young kitten. And yet even with her I
>>> did
>>> not ever find wads of fur in various places. The one dog that we had
>>> would
>>> leave wads of fur. And if she sat on my lap there would be fur all over
>>> me
>>> when she got up. I have never gotten fur on me from my cats except
>>> perhaps
>>> when they go to the vet. They will shed like mad there!
>>>
>>>
>>I seem to recall that stress can do that.
>
> Humans shed when stressed too, hair and skin... some even wet their
> pants. LOL The only people who complain about pet hair are those who
> are slobs themselves... if one dusts/vacuums their abode and brushes
> their pets regularly there will be very little pet hair.

I'm not a fanatic about housecleaning but then again, a little cat fur on
the chairs or the sofa doesn't bother me. Even if some cat fur wafts into
the kitchen I'm not afraid of cat fur. Then again, Persia NOT jump up on
the counters. (I can hear the nay-sayers now... of course she does, when
you're not looking.) Truly, she's never jumped on kitchen counters or on
tables. And now she's 14 years old and arthritic. She uses cat steps to
get up on the bed. Whoever owned this beautiful cat before me (pre-2001)
had trained her. She's simply never attempted to leap up on kitchen
counters or tables. And she's been with me since 2001

OB Food: She *did* swipe a hamburger off a plate I'd set down on the coffee
table. (She didn't have to jump on the table to do that, just lean up with
her front paws, snag the burger and run!) It was a nice, freshly grilled
hamburger. I wasn't out of the room more than 30 seconds. She left me the
bun. LOL It's a good thing I don't fire up the grill for just one burger

> My cats can
> go wherever they want, they have free reign of the house, naturally
> they sleep in my bed, that's how we like it. And cats belong in the
> kitchen, their main job is to protect the food from vermin.
> The cat's cradle: http://tinypic.com/r/126dbet/5
> Mice, what mice: http://tinypic.com/r/2ldzo91/5
>
>
Great photos, thanks. Persia doesn't like it when I'm in the kitchen.
She's allowed in the kitchen, of course. But if my going into the kitchen
and opening the refrigerator doesn't immediately mean she's going to get a
sip of milk, she starts fussing at me. Meow, meow, meow. She does not like
hanging out with me in the kitchen. I agree, it's pretty boring for a cat.
But I have to eat so I have to spend time in the kitchen. I don't have toys
on the kitchen floor because I don't want to trip over them (or Persia).
There is no sunshine on the kitchen floor for her to nap in. So she gets
grumpy when I'm in the kitchen.

Jill

> wrote in message
...
> On Mar 26, 6:03 pm, (ms. tonya) wrote:
>
>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17 years
>> were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the stool I had in
>> corner now training new cat same rules.
>>
>
> Our cats and dogs are welcome in any room in the house. There really
> isn't a safety issue, and hair isn't that big a deal. There will
> always be hair around since it can float from one room to the next and
> ride on our clothes anyway. The dogs get fed in the kitchen. It
> doesn't take much work to teach the cats that they are not allowed on
> kitchen or dining room counters or tables. They know they can be on
> tables in other rooms, dressers, bathroom counters, etc. It has been
> years since I have seen any cat on the kitchen counter.
>
> We also wash the counters before fixing food, and we don't prepare
> food directly on the counter anyway. We put down a cutting board,
> plate, or some type of dish.
>
Wow! Thank you for a sensible answer!

Jill

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:04:53 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>
>"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:29:14 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:03:45 -0400, (ms. tonya)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Julie Bove) claiming:
>>>>>>> I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>>>>>>> on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>>>>>>> reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>>>>>>> never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>>>>>>> discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>>>>>>> baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>>>>>>> today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>>>>>>> both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>>>>>>> we got today is open at the bottom so my
>>>>>>> step stool can tuck underneath.
>>>>>>> Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>>>>>>> up on them and watch us cook which is all
>>>>>>> they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>>>>>>> smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>>>>>>> counter since!----------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17
>>>>>> years were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the
>>>>>> stool I had in corner now training new cat same rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Risk of pets getting hurt is to high
>>>>>
>>>>> Cats are amazingly adept at avoiding being hurt inside a house, they
>>>>> know their way about far better than you do, and it's easy to cat
>>>>> proof the danger zones, far easier than to child proof a house.
>>>>>
>>>>>> especially in a very small one plus
>>>>>> the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And the
>>>>>> thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are your cats kept that their hair can't travel in the air
>>>>> throughout your entire abode? If you don't want to live with your
>>>>> pets then you shouldn't have pets... they'd be happier without you
>>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed. Our current cats shed very little. Mom appears to be a black
>>>> Siamese. Very short, sleek fur. Baby is a brown tabby and her fur is
>>>> sparse but feels slightly fluffier. Still really on the short side.
>>>> Our
>>>> old brown tabby had slightly longer and much thicker fur all over and
>>>> very
>>>> thick, long fur on the tummy. A brushing session for her this time of
>>>> year
>>>> would yield enough fur to cover a young kitten. And yet even with her I
>>>> did
>>>> not ever find wads of fur in various places. The one dog that we had
>>>> would
>>>> leave wads of fur. And if she sat on my lap there would be fur all over
>>>> me
>>>> when she got up. I have never gotten fur on me from my cats except
>>>> perhaps
>>>> when they go to the vet. They will shed like mad there!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I seem to recall that stress can do that.
>>
>> Humans shed when stressed too, hair and skin... some even wet their
>> pants. LOL The only people who complain about pet hair are those who
>> are slobs themselves... if one dusts/vacuums their abode and brushes
>> their pets regularly there will be very little pet hair.
>
>I'm not a fanatic about housecleaning but then again, a little cat fur on
>the chairs or the sofa doesn't bother me. Even if some cat fur wafts into
>the kitchen I'm not afraid of cat fur. Then again, Persia NOT jump up on
>the counters. (I can hear the nay-sayers now... of course she does, when
>you're not looking.) Truly, she's never jumped on kitchen counters or on
>tables. And now she's 14 years old and arthritic. She uses cat steps to
>get up on the bed. Whoever owned this beautiful cat before me (pre-2001)
>had trained her. She's simply never attempted to leap up on kitchen
>counters or tables. And she's been with me since 2001
>
>OB Food: She *did* swipe a hamburger off a plate I'd set down on the coffee
>table. (She didn't have to jump on the table to do that, just lean up with
>her front paws, snag the burger and run!) It was a nice, freshly grilled
>hamburger. I wasn't out of the room more than 30 seconds. She left me the
>bun. LOL It's a good thing I don't fire up the grill for just one burger
>
>> My cats can
>> go wherever they want, they have free reign of the house, naturally
>> they sleep in my bed, that's how we like it. And cats belong in the
>> kitchen, their main job is to protect the food from vermin.
>> The cat's cradle: http://tinypic.com/r/126dbet/5
>> Mice, what mice: http://tinypic.com/r/2ldzo91/5
>>
>>
>Great photos, thanks. Persia doesn't like it when I'm in the kitchen.
>She's allowed in the kitchen, of course. But if my going into the kitchen
>and opening the refrigerator doesn't immediately mean she's going to get a
>sip of milk, she starts fussing at me. Meow, meow, meow. She does not like
>hanging out with me in the kitchen. I agree, it's pretty boring for a cat.
>But I have to eat so I have to spend time in the kitchen. I don't have toys
>on the kitchen floor because I don't want to trip over them (or Persia).
>There is no sunshine on the kitchen floor for her to nap in. So she gets
>grumpy when I'm in the kitchen.
>
>Jill

Blackie is a floor cat, he can't jump very high so he never attempts
to get up on the counters or tables:
http://tinypic.com/r/2pys3uv/5

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:08:24 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> On Mar 26, 6:03 pm, (ms. tonya) wrote:
>>
>>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17 years
>>> were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the stool I had in
>>> corner now training new cat same rules.
>>>
>>
>> Our cats and dogs are welcome in any room in the house. There really
>> isn't a safety issue, and hair isn't that big a deal. There will
>> always be hair around since it can float from one room to the next and
>> ride on our clothes anyway. The dogs get fed in the kitchen. It
>> doesn't take much work to teach the cats that they are not allowed on
>> kitchen or dining room counters or tables. They know they can be on
>> tables in other rooms, dressers, bathroom counters, etc. It has been
>> years since I have seen any cat on the kitchen counter.
>>
>> We also wash the counters before fixing food, and we don't prepare
>> food directly on the counter anyway. We put down a cutting board,
>> plate, or some type of dish.
>>
>Wow! Thank you for a sensible answer!

That's what normal people do, even those who have no pets. cats are
actually cleaner than people. It's very difficult for me to believe
that those people who worry about cats on contertops ever raised
children, they certainly never changed a diaper.

>Humans shed when stressed too, hair and skin... some even wet their
>pants. LOL The only people who complain about pet hair are those who
>are slobs themselves... if one dusts/vacuums their abode and brushes
>their pets regularly there will be very little pet hair. My cats can
>go wherever they want, they have free reign of the house, naturally
>they sleep in my bed, that's how we like it. And cats belong in the
>kitchen, their main job is to protect the food from vermin.
>The cat's cradle: http://tinypic.com/r/126dbet/5
>Mice, what mice: http://tinypic.com/r/2ldzo91/5
>

Cute photos of healthy cats!

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 23:29:14 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:03:45 -0400, (ms. tonya)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> (Julie Bove) claiming:
>>>>>> I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>>>>>> on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>>>>>> reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>>>>>> never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>>>>>> discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>>>>>> baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>>>>>> today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>>>>>> both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>>>>>> we got today is open at the bottom so my
>>>>>> step stool can tuck underneath.
>>>>>> Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>>>>>> up on them and watch us cook which is all
>>>>>> they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>>>>>> smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>>>>>> counter since!----------------------------------------------
>>>>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17
>>>>> years were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the
>>>>> stool I had in corner now training new cat same rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> Risk of pets getting hurt is to high
>>>> Cats are amazingly adept at avoiding being hurt inside a house, they
>>>> know their way about far better than you do, and it's easy to cat
>>>> proof the danger zones, far easier than to child proof a house.
>>>>
>>>>> especially in a very small one plus
>>>>> the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And the
>>>>> thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.
>>>> Where are your cats kept that their hair can't travel in the air
>>>> throughout your entire abode? If you don't want to live with your
>>>> pets then you shouldn't have pets... they'd be happier without you
>>>> too.
>>> Indeed. Our current cats shed very little. Mom appears to be a black
>>> Siamese. Very short, sleek fur. Baby is a brown tabby and her fur is
>>> sparse but feels slightly fluffier. Still really on the short side. Our
>>> old brown tabby had slightly longer and much thicker fur all over and very
>>> thick, long fur on the tummy. A brushing session for her this time of year
>>> would yield enough fur to cover a young kitten. And yet even with her I did
>>> not ever find wads of fur in various places. The one dog that we had would
>>> leave wads of fur. And if she sat on my lap there would be fur all over me
>>> when she got up. I have never gotten fur on me from my cats except perhaps
>>> when they go to the vet. They will shed like mad there!
>>>
>>>
>> I seem to recall that stress can do that.
>
> Humans shed when stressed too, hair and skin... some even wet their
> pants. LOL The only people who complain about pet hair are those who
> are slobs themselves... if one dusts/vacuums their abode and brushes
> their pets regularly there will be very little pet hair. My cats can
> go wherever they want, they have free reign of the house, naturally
> they sleep in my bed, that's how we like it. And cats belong in the
> kitchen, their main job is to protect the food from vermin.
> The cat's cradle: http://tinypic.com/r/126dbet/5
> Mice, what mice: http://tinypic.com/r/2ldzo91/5
>
>
That first photo, especially, was so cute! And yes, sleeping with
a cat/cats is one of the great joys of life.

--
Jean B.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mar 26, 6:03 pm, (ms. tonya) wrote:
>>
>>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17 years
>>> were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the stool I had in
>>> corner now training new cat same rules.
>>>
>>
>> Our cats and dogs are welcome in any room in the house. There really
>> isn't a safety issue, and hair isn't that big a deal. There will
>> always be hair around since it can float from one room to the next and
>> ride on our clothes anyway. The dogs get fed in the kitchen. It
>> doesn't take much work to teach the cats that they are not allowed on
>> kitchen or dining room counters or tables. They know they can be on
>> tables in other rooms, dressers, bathroom counters, etc. It has been
>> years since I have seen any cat on the kitchen counter.
>>
>> We also wash the counters before fixing food, and we don't prepare
>> food directly on the counter anyway. We put down a cutting board,
>> plate, or some type of dish.
>>
> Wow! Thank you for a sensible answer!
>
> Jill
>
>
From moi aussi. My cats are also allowed in the kitchen. I
don't think they go on the counter, which only means they don't do
that when I am looking. I remember how I first discovered Ming
actually did go up there (and that was years ago): there was a
drippy faucet and he got the floor (and himself) rather wet. He
did enjoy it immensely though, as I later observed.

--
Jean B.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:08:24 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mar 26, 6:03 pm, (ms. tonya) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17 years
>>>> were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the stool I had in
>>>> corner now training new cat same rules.
>>>>
>>> Our cats and dogs are welcome in any room in the house. There really
>>> isn't a safety issue, and hair isn't that big a deal. There will
>>> always be hair around since it can float from one room to the next and
>>> ride on our clothes anyway. The dogs get fed in the kitchen. It
>>> doesn't take much work to teach the cats that they are not allowed on
>>> kitchen or dining room counters or tables. They know they can be on
>>> tables in other rooms, dressers, bathroom counters, etc. It has been
>>> years since I have seen any cat on the kitchen counter.
>>>
>>> We also wash the counters before fixing food, and we don't prepare
>>> food directly on the counter anyway. We put down a cutting board,
>>> plate, or some type of dish.
>>>
>> Wow! Thank you for a sensible answer!
>
> That's what normal people do, even those who have no pets. cats are
> actually cleaner than people. It's very difficult for me to believe
> that those people who worry about cats on contertops ever raised
> children, they certainly never changed a diaper.

Well, yes and now about that clean part. They do lick their
butts, and they do scrabble about in their litter boxes. That
being said, one takes precautions, and I have never sickened
anyone with my food.

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Jean B. wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> Tonya wrote:
>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>> I have been having trouble with my little cat getting
>>>>>>> on the counters and even on the stove! For obvious
>>>>>>> reasons I do not want her there. Her mom has
>>>>>>> never gotten up there AFAIK. But the other day, mom
>>>>>>> discovered the bar stool. She hopped up there. Then the
>>>>>>> baby wanted up there but they both wouldn't fit. So
>>>>>>> today we bought another bar stool. They don't match but
>>>>>>> both are the colors of the kitchen and the one
>>>>>>> we got today is open at the bottom so my
>>>>>>> step stool can tuck underneath.
>>>>>>> Anyway... They are both super happy now. They can sit
>>>>>>> up on them and watch us cook which is all
>>>>>>> they wanted to do to begin with. They were both
>>>>>>> smiling and purring. And the baby hasn't gotten on the
>>>>>>> counter since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never would let pets in my kitchen period, my 2 late cats of 17
>>>>>> years were trained from day one kitchen was off limits even the
>>>>>> stool I had in corner now training new cat same rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Risk of pets getting hurt is to high.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cats are amazingly adept at avoiding being hurt inside a house, they
>>>>> know their way about far better than you do, and it's easy to cat
>>>>> proof the danger zones, far easier than to child proof a house.
>>>>>
>>>>>> especially in a very small one plus
>>>>>> the risk you getting hurt with fur balls under your feet. And the
>>>>>> thought of fur in the air getting in the food turns my stomach.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are your cats kept that their hair can't travel in the air
>>>>> throughout your entire abode? If you don't want to live with your
>>>>> pets then you shouldn't have pets... they'd be happier without you
>>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed. Our current cats shed very little. Mom appears to be a black
>>>> Siamese. Very short, sleek fur. Baby is a brown tabby and her fur is
>>>> sparse but feels slightly fluffier. Still really on the short side. Our
>>>> old brown tabby had slightly longer and much thicker fur all over and very
>>>> thick, long fur on the tummy. A brushing session for her this time of year
>>>> would yield enough fur to cover a young kitten. And yet even with her I did
>>>> not ever find wads of fur in various places. The one dog that we had would
>>>> leave wads of fur. And if she sat on my lap there would be fur all over me
>>>> when she got up. I have never gotten fur on me from my cats except perhaps
>>>> when they go to the vet. They will shed like mad there!
>>>>
>>> I seem to recall that stress can do that.
>>
>> Humans shed when stressed too, hair and skin... some even wet their
>> pants. LOL The only people who complain about pet hair are those who
>> are slobs themselves... if one dusts/vacuums their abode and brushes
>> their pets regularly there will be very little pet hair. My cats can
>> go wherever they want, they have free reign of the house, naturally
>> they sleep in my bed, that's how we like it. And cats belong in the
>> kitchen, their main job is to protect the food from vermin.
>> The cat's cradle: http://tinypic.com/r/126dbet/5
>> Mice, what mice: http://tinypic.com/r/2ldzo91/5
>>
>>
>That first photo, especially, was so cute! And yes, sleeping with
>a cat/cats is one of the great joys of life.

The best sleeping pill.

Gary > wrote:
> "Jean B." wrote:
>>
>> From moi aussi. My cats are also allowed in the kitchen. I
>> don't think they go on the counter, which only means they don't do
>> that when I am looking. I remember how I first discovered Ming
>> actually did go up there (and that was years ago): there was a
>> drippy faucet and he got the floor (and himself) rather wet. He
>> did enjoy it immensely though, as I later observed.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> Mine wasn't interested in the counter except as a step. He would jump on the
> end of the counter next to the fridge, then jump on fridge, then up to the
> top of the cabinets. He had a favorite spot up there where he could watch
> from above as I cooked or did dishes.
>
> As with most cats, Mr.Kitty was the leader here. He allowed me to live here
> and take care of him.
>
> Gary

My new cat has yet jumped on sink counter. All my cats have stayed away
from stove counter. I don't know why. Of course, when I had rocky, he would
like to drink out of sink or bath taps. I would also hate to drink uphill.

Greg

"Jean B." wrote:
>
> From moi aussi. My cats are also allowed in the kitchen. I
> don't think they go on the counter, which only means they don't do
> that when I am looking. I remember how I first discovered Ming
> actually did go up there (and that was years ago): there was a
> drippy faucet and he got the floor (and himself) rather wet. He
> did enjoy it immensely though, as I later observed.
>
> --
> Jean B.

Mine wasn't interested in the counter except as a step. He would jump on the
end of the counter next to the fridge, then jump on fridge, then up to the
top of the cabinets. He had a favorite spot up there where he could watch
from above as I cooked or did dishes.

As with most cats, Mr.Kitty was the leader here. He allowed me to live here
and take care of him.

Gary

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 02:44:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"RussianFoodDire" > wrote in
>message ...
>>
>> I never allow cats in kitchen. They are disgusting. I permit puppies and
>> dogs. They are clean and never peep in every other vessel filled with
>> food. So its fine with dogs.
>
>As one who has owned both cats and dogs I very much must disagree. I think
>dogs are dirty. Cats are very clean.
>

I wont let either cats or dogs in the house, but my horse is welcome in
the house anytime he wants.