On Apr 1, 10:36*pm, Janet Bostwick > wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:14:28 -0500, Sqwertz >
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> >On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:32:29 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
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> >> I predict that these are going to go differently *from the last one.
> >> The plaintiffs are going to come up with the same old crap as the last
> >> time, and McD is going to bring out the ANSI standards for coffee and
> >> tell 'em to take it up with the regulators because their coffee is by
> >> the book and it's not their fault if their bumbling competitors can't
> >> make standards-compliant coffee.
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> >The fact it's against company policy (though not illegal) to give hot
> >coffee to a 4 year old, there will probably be some "lack of due
> >diligence" on the part of McDonalds so that one will at least
> >partially prevail. *It would be nice if they had some cameras in there
> >to show that the girl was most likely not told to throw away the cup,
> >but rather to get more coffee. *That would prove her a liar and lessen
> >any judgment.
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> A 4 year old child should not be running any kind of errands in a
> McDonalds. *I consider that 'child endangerment.' *Who are they going
> to blame when someone trips over the child and injuries it?

McDonald's are known to be child-friendly restaurants, as the
Hamburglar could tell you. Freerunning children are thus to be
expected.

> Who's
> going to be at fault when the child spills the coffee on someone and
> scalds them?

The coffee is only hazardous if the restaurant makes it so.

> Whose fault is it if the child disappears and is whisked
> away by a child offender?

The chance that a child is snatched unnoticed in a popular restaurant
is vanishingly small. How will a child learn to be independent if he's
watched like a hawk 24/7?

> You let the child do tasks at home where you can keep them safe until
> they are older and more adept.

Because no four year old could possibly throw away an empty cup
without mishap? Do you have adult children still living at home?

> Grandma was slacking off or is lacking
> in judgment.

I bet Janet was still taking her son in the Ladies Room with her when
he was 17.

On Apr 2, 7:15*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 01/04/2012 4:08 PM, Jeßus wrote:
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> > On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:28:44 -0400, Dave Smith
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> >> On 01/04/2012 11:54 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> horrific" burns.
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> >>> Bullshit. *If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash with
> >>> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near the
> >>> counter to get a refill.
> >>> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up to
> >>> get her own coffee.
> >>> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
> >>> DUH!
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> >>> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
> >>> about that.
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> >>> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with one
> >>> of these frivolous lawsuits.
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> >> WTF is wrong with people? It is hot coffee. It is supposed to be hot.
> >> Have you ever bitten into one of those hot apple pies they sell (or used
> >> to sell.... had one about) 25 years ago.
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> >> Like the case of the old lady who burned her crotch and the compelling
> >> evidence was the extent of the damages. *While I feel sorry for the
> >> woman suffering the burns, the coffee is served in a disposable cup with
> >> a somewhat flimsy lid. *It is not meant to be held between one's thighs.
> >> * People get hot coffee at the take out window to be consumed elsewhere,
> >> so it needs to be hot so it will be hot later when they get around to
> >> it.
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> > There's a lot more to that case than meets the eye. I recently watched
> > this doco:http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/Default.aspand it opened
> > my eyes. It's available on bittorrent.
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> I caught part of that film and I have read a number of articles about
> the coffee incident. *The film is not just about this case, but about
> the power of big corporations to stifle complaints and protect
> themselves. * It has not changed my opinion about this case. *As much as
> I sympathize with this woman for the pain and suffering she must have
> endured I just can't get past the *issue of her squeezing a disposable
> cup of coffee between her legs. She ordered a cup of hot coffee. She got
> it in a serving cup of light enough material to be disposable but firm
> enough to hold its shape under normal use and fitted with a lid secure
> enough to stay on..... under normal use. *Most vehicles have cup holders
> of some sort, or the dash board. She could have had someone else hold it
> for her. *Hell, they could have got off their asses and *and gone into
> the restaurant and sat at a table. Bit now... she clamps a paper cup
> between her legs. There is no doubt that she suffered, but the extent of
> her suffering does not mean that the company is more liable.... IMO
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No one knows more about serving fast food to the masses than
McDonald's. McDonald's sells its breakfast sandwiches for immediate
consumption because an Egg McMuffin tastes lousy when it is cold.
Further, people order hot breakfast drinks to consume with their
breakfast. Therefore McDonald's should have expected hot breakfast
drinks sold at their drivethru to be consumed immediately.

McDonald's could have made cooler coffee available for immediate
drinking --they did not.
McDonald's could have simply stopped selling coffee at the drive-thru
-- they did not.
McDonald's could have doctored the coffee to the client's taste at the
drive-thru -- apparently they did not.
McDonald's knew that a certain percentage of drive-thru patrons would
not have cupholders in their cars.

Therefore, McDonald's knew or should have known exactly what was going
to happen when they served scalding-hot coffee to their drive-through
patrons.

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> >> We should not be holding the companies liable for the stupidity of
> >> the consumer.
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> > No, but those same companies are actively promoting the concept that
> > any kind of consumer lawsuit appears to be frivolous by twisting the
> > facts, such as on the above case.
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> >http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

On 02/04/2012 4:07 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:

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>> I caught part of that film and I have read a number of articles about
>> the coffee incident. The film is not just about this case, but about
>> the power of big corporations to stifle complaints and protect
>> themselves. It has not changed my opinion about this case. As much as
>> I sympathize with this woman for the pain and suffering she must have
>> endured I just can't get past the issue of her squeezing a disposable
>> cup of coffee between her legs. She ordered a cup of hot coffee. She got
>> it in a serving cup of light enough material to be disposable but firm
>> enough to hold its shape under normal use and fitted with a lid secure
>> enough to stay on..... under normal use. Most vehicles have cup holders
>> of some sort, or the dash board. She could have had someone else hold it
>> for her. Hell, they could have got off their asses and and gone into
>> the restaurant and sat at a table. Bit now... she clamps a paper cup
>> between her legs. There is no doubt that she suffered, but the extent of
>> her suffering does not mean that the company is more liable.... IMO
>>
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> No one knows more about serving fast food to the masses than
> McDonald's. McDonald's sells its breakfast sandwiches for immediate
> consumption because an Egg McMuffin tastes lousy when it is cold.
> Further, people order hot breakfast drinks to consume with their
> breakfast. Therefore McDonald's should have expected hot breakfast
> drinks sold at their drivethru to be consumed immediately.


NO one knows more than McDonalds, who seemed to think that people wanted
their coffee hot so that it would still be reasonably hot by the time
they got to a safe place to drink it. They sell the product, a hot
beverage, and it it up to the consumer to eat in in a safe manner, which
BTW, does not include eating and drinking while driving. It is take out
food, though it does seem that some people think that getting food at a
drive through means your vehicle is supposed to be your dining room,




> McDonald's could have made cooler coffee available for immediate
> drinking --they did not.

And people kept buying it. How many millions of cups of coffee do they
have to sell before they realize that people don't really want hot
coffee? I read something about consultants saying it should be a little
cooler, but not a mass appeal from their customers.



> McDonald's could have simply stopped selling coffee at the drive-thru
> -- they did not.

They could have stopped selling hot burgers and fries there too.


> McDonald's could have doctored the coffee to the client's taste at the
> drive-thru -- apparently they did not.
> McDonald's knew that a certain percentage of drive-thru patrons would
> not have cupholders in their cars.
>

Then maybe the customers should think about not ordering hot coffee if
they have no place to put it. It is not up to some teenage coutner
person to decline a coffee sale to a customer because they don't have a
cup holder.


> Therefore, McDonald's knew or should have known exactly what was going
> to happen when they served scalding-hot coffee to their drive-through
> patrons.
>

It never seemed to be an issue until some old later thought she had
prehensile thighs and ended up burning her crotch. I don't blame
McDonalds at all. It was her decision to stick a disposable cup between
her thighs.

On 02/04/2012 12:00 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

> That is indeed how I have McDonald's coffee these days. One guy at work
> gets a combo but he doesn't want the coffee. The cup magically appears
> on my desk in the morning rather than throwing it out. I wait several
> hours for it to reach acceptable temperature then drink it.


Hours? It would be room temperature within about a half hour.


> it does not
> compare against the coffee I have at home but I'm not fussy about coffee
> with respect to flavor, just with respect to it causing pain.


I have not been in a McDs in well over a decade. It was some time
aftervmy last Micky D misadventure that my wife got kicked out of one,
after a couple warnings, because she brought Tim Hortons coffee into the
place to have her scrambled eggs because she hated McD's coffee. It is
my understanding that they made a big effort to improve their coffee,
and I know several people who get it and say it is delicious.

spamtrap1888 wrote:

> > I was "treated" to a cup of McDoggie's dishwater a few months ago.
> > It's practically tasteless.
>
> From what I've had recently, McCafe drip compares very favorably to
> Starbucks' ubiquitous Pike's Place beurk.

I suppose the stuff I was given may have been something else, maybe
their plain old McCoffee.

spamtrap1888 wrote:
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> On Apr 1, 10:36 pm, Janet Bostwick wrote:

> > Whose fault is it if the child disappears and is whisked
> > away by a child offender?
>
> The chance that a child is snatched unnoticed in a popular restaurant
> is vanishingly small. How will a child learn to be independent if he's
> watched like a hawk 24/7?

Get real. When you are out with someone elses child, you *SHOULD* watch them
like a hawk.

Gary

On 4/2/2012 11:42 AM, Andy wrote:
> > wrote:
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>> Not every car has cup holders. Some that do, (my wife's car) has cup
>> holders that do not hold cups securely. But the purpose of a cup
>> holder is to hold a beverage within reach of the driver and front seat
>> passenger. Beverages sold from a drive-through are going to be drunk
>> in a car, and the purveyor should plan accordingly.
>
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> The cup holders in my VW are barely suitable to hold two tubs of yogurt!

Them European types can't handle the 'merican way of driving while
deftly handling drinks of colossal proportions. I don't recall my Rabbit
or Sirocco or Fiats having a single cupholder among them. Primitive! I
would like to get a small gas powered manual car because I think they're
all gonna be gone soon. Maybe a Fiat 500. Hopefully, that sucker will
have a humongous c-holder.

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> I couldn't safely drink anything in the car. Manual transmission,
> steering, turn signalling and keeping my eyes on the road being the main
> problem. With my feet and hands in constant motion, head turning, on the
> dance floor that would be a riot to see.. "Do The Clutch!"
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> The McD at the strip mall where I shop doesn't even have a drive-thru
> service. But anybody can still walk in and walk out with the same hot
> coffee and still make the same dumb mistake. If drive-thru is at issue,
> it's a poor one, imho.
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> Andy

On 02/04/2012 5:22 PM, Gary wrote:
> spamtrap1888 wrote:
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>> On Apr 1, 10:36 pm, Janet Bostwick wrote:
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>>> Whose fault is it if the child disappears and is whisked
>>> away by a child offender?
>>
>> The chance that a child is snatched unnoticed in a popular restaurant
>> is vanishingly small. How will a child learn to be independent if he's
>> watched like a hawk 24/7?
>
> Get real. When you are out with someone elses child, you *SHOULD* watch them
> like a hawk.
>
The kid in this story was four. She should not have been any more than a
few feet from the adult at any time in a public place. It is not just
for the kid's safety, but for the peace of mind of the other customers.
There are few things more annoying in a restaurant than a young child
running loose.

On 4/2/2012 12:52 PM, Andy wrote:
> > wrote:
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>> Them European types can't handle the 'merican way of driving while
>> deftly handling drinks of colossal proportions. I don't recall my Rabbit
>> or Sirocco or Fiats having a single cupholder among them. Primitive! I
>> would like to get a small gas powered manual car because I think they're
>> all gonna be gone soon. Maybe a Fiat 500. Hopefully, that sucker will
>> have a humongous c-holder.
>
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> On the GTI they're part of the molded center console, shoehorned under the
> dash and blocked by the stick shift. It's almost like it wasn't intended to
> actually be used as a cup holder. Its a junk holder.
>
> Andy

I have seen cup holders that interfere with the shifter when loaded. It
is an interesting design feature. My guess is that it's some sort of
safety feature.

On 4/1/2012 5:45 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On Apr 1, 2:36 pm, George M. > wrote:
>> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>> Back when that first suit happened I had already given up on McDonalds
>>> for coffee because they served it too bleeping hot to drink. Unless I
>>> can have the empty cup to put the correct amount of ice in it before
>>> they pour the molten lava into the cup, forget me getting coffee there.
>>
>> I was "treated" to a cup of McDoggie's dishwater a few months ago.
>> It's practically tasteless.
>
> From what I've had recently, McCafe drip compares very favorably to
> Starbucks' ubiquitous Pike's Place beurk.

I'm drinking a cup right now. It tastes like coffee to me. I think the
beans were roasted a little too much for my tastes but it's not that
cheap, awful, harsh, coffee I usually get. It's got a distinctive smokey
taste that I can take or leave. Mostly, I love smooth coffee with a
fruity undertone but I can drink this just fine.

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:07:16 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote:


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>McDonald's could have made cooler coffee available for immediate
>drinking --they did not.
>McDonald's could have simply stopped selling coffee at the drive-thru
>-- they did not.
>McDonald's could have doctored the coffee to the client's taste at the
>drive-thru -- apparently they did not.
>McDonald's knew that a certain percentage of drive-thru patrons would
>not have cupholders in their cars.
>
>Therefore, McDonald's knew or should have known exactly what was going
>to happen when they served scalding-hot coffee to their drive-through
>patrons.
>

Neither my 1962 Chevy Corvair or my 2011 Lamborghini have cup holders.
It is still my responsibility to handle a cup or coffee with the
equipment I have on hand. Or don't stop for one Perhaps McD should
ask each customer if they are properly equipped and trained to handle
a cup of coffle.

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:45:29 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote:



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>How would you put cream and sugar in your drive-through coffee?

I'd put it in the cupholdler, on the armrest, or on the seat or glove
box door. Not between my legs.



>
>Not every car has cup holders. Some that do, (my wife's car) has cup
>holders that do not hold cups securely. But the purpose of a cup
>holder is to hold a beverage within reach of the driver and front seat
>passenger. Beverages sold from a drive-through are going to be drunk
>in a car, and the purveyor should plan accordingly.

It should be up to the buyer to decide what to do with the item
purchased. No way can the purveyor take every possible scenario into
consideration. People have to take responsibility for their actions.

On Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:07:46 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote:



>
>McDonald's has no excuse for maiming its customers.

It was poor judgment by one of their thousands of workers. Possibly a
violation of policy, but I'm not sure and I'm not inclined to search
for it. Perhaps McD has some liability for medical expenses, but the
$4million is just a lawyers wet dream and should not waste a court's
time.

On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:56:43 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:07:16 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> wrote:
>
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>>McDonald's could have made cooler coffee available for immediate
>>drinking --they did not.
>>McDonald's could have simply stopped selling coffee at the drive-thru
>>-- they did not.
>>McDonald's could have doctored the coffee to the client's taste at the
>>drive-thru -- apparently they did not.
>>McDonald's knew that a certain percentage of drive-thru patrons would
>>not have cupholders in their cars.
>>
>>Therefore, McDonald's knew or should have known exactly what was going
>>to happen when they served scalding-hot coffee to their drive-through
>>patrons.
>>
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>Neither my 1962 Chevy Corvair or my 2011 Lamborghini have cup holders.
>It is still my responsibility to handle a cup or coffee with the
>equipment I have on hand. Or don't stop for one Perhaps McD should
>ask each customer if they are properly equipped and trained to handle
>a cup of coffee.

To get served coffee customers should be made to sign a release form
like for medical procedures.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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>
> McDonald getting sued again
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1380578.html
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> Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
> Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
> its environs.
>
> One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
> cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
> second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
> intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
> granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
> which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
> McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
> of company policy.
>
The article says "Her grandmother had not intended for her to carry coffee
in the first place; she had asked her granddaughter to throw away the empty
cup." If the cup was empty, how did the child get burned? Need more info.

> The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
> coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
> "horrific" burns.

Get over it, people! Coffee is HOT! If you're careless with the cup or the
lid, whose fault is that?

Jill

On 02/04/2012 10:56 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> Neither my 1962 Chevy Corvair or my 2011 Lamborghini have cup holders.
> It is still my responsibility to handle a cup or coffee with the
> equipment I have on hand. Or don't stop for one Perhaps McD should
> ask each customer if they are properly equipped and trained to handle
> a cup of coffle.
>


Back in the 1960s, people did not eat in their cars, except at a
drive-in restaurant where they mounted the tray on the window. There
were no drive thru joints. People with Lamborghinis tend to have more
class than to eat in their expensive cars.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> McDonald getting sued again
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1380578.html
>>
>> Chicago Business reports that, oddly, both suits were filed last
>> Thursday in a court in Cook County, Ill., which comprises Chicago and
>> its environs.
>>
>> One case involved a four-year-old girl, Lynn Abdelal, who was given a
>> cup of blisteringly hot coffee to give to her grandma, and suffered a
>> second-degree burn when its lid fell off. Her grandmother had not
>> intended for her to carry coffee in the first place; she had asked her
>> granddaughter to throw away the empty cup. Part of the complaint --
>> which asks for $4 million in damages -- is based on the fact that the
>> McDonald's employee served coffee to such a young child, in violation
>> of company policy.
>>
>> The other suit arose after 35-year-old Melissa Pettigrew spilled hot
>> coffee all over her thighs, leading to what her attorney calls
>> "horrific" burns.
>
> Bullshit. If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash with
> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near the
> counter to get a refill.
> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up
> to
> get her own coffee.
> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
> DUH!
>
> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
> about that.
>
> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with
> one
> of these frivolous lawsuits.
>
> Gary

I would love to be on that jury. They realized there was a settlement years
ago, so hey, let's go for it! Let's blame McDonalds because we're stupid.

Jill

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
. com...
> On 01/04/2012 11:54 AM, Gary wrote:
> horrific" burns.
>>
>> Bullshit. If grandma sent her 4-year-old grand daughter to the trash
>> with
>> an empty coffee cup, that little girl wouldn't have been anywhere near
>> the
>> counter to get a refill.
>> Lazy-ass grandma is just trying to cover her ass. She should have gone up
>> to
>> get her own coffee.
>> The other one, Melissa, should be more careful when holding hot liquids.
>> DUH!
>>
>> If McDonalds had served them warm "safe" coffee, they would have bitched
>> about that.
>>
>> IMO, these are "get rich quick" plans. I would love to be on a jury with
>> one
>> of these frivolous lawsuits.
>>
>
> WTF is wrong with people? It is hot coffee. It is supposed to be hot. Have
> you ever bitten into one of those hot apple pies they sell (or used to
> sell.... had one about) 25 years ago.
>
>
> Like the case of the old lady who burned her crotch and the compelling
> evidence was the extent of the damages. While I feel sorry for the woman
> suffering the burns, the coffee is served in a disposable cup with a
> somewhat flimsy lid. It is not meant to be held between one's thighs.

Agreed. Transfer it to a travel-mug with a tight-fitting lid if you
absolutely MUST drink anything while driving. I don't see anyone suing
because a flimsy cup of ice cold Coca-Cola or Pepsi spilled all over them
and ruined their skirt, pants or pantyhose. Sheesh.

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:

> Back in the 1960s, people did not eat in their cars, except at a
> drive-in restaurant where they mounted the tray on the window. There
> were no drive thru joints. People with Lamborghinis tend to have more
> class than to eat in their expensive cars.

I'm curious what part of the world you live in. In the USA, the
reasons people eat in their cars have little to do with society's
overall decline in "classiness".

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:30:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>We're talking a couple degrees of temperature. It is a fast food
>>restaurant and a lot of the coffee is "to go", to be consumed later. If
>>the coffee is too hot to drink just let it sit for a couple minutes
>>while it cools off.
>
> Many people are addicts that need the caffeine fix and can't wait.
> Just like the ones that take a cup before the brewer is done and don't
> care about the next guy getting a weak cup.


Fortunately I'm not a caffeine addict. Nor a coffee nut It's apparent
from reading this ng for many years lots of people absolutely adore coffee.
They have to have it every day. Me, nope. So I can't imagine not waiting a
few minutes to let the coffee cool down.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> Fortunately I'm not a caffeine addict. Nor a coffee nut It's apparent
> from reading this ng for many years lots of people absolutely adore coffee.
> They have to have it every day. Me, nope. So I can't imagine not waiting a
> few minutes to let the coffee cool down.

I'm burnt out on coffee, evidently. For the past several months, none of it
tastes good to me. But I was morning-addicted...I had to have that cup in
the morning (and that was all I had).

Well, the past week or more, I've been having upper respiratory problems
(due to several environmental issues) and feeling like crap. I switched to
chicken broth instead of coffee in the morning, just because it might be
healthier.

Guess what? I really do love this hot cup of chicken broth each morning. I
don't miss the crappy coffee at all.

I need to ask you all about chicken broth but I'll do that in a separate
thread.

Gary

On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:39:15 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 02/04/2012 10:56 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> >
> > Neither my 1962 Chevy Corvair or my 2011 Lamborghini have cup holders.
> > It is still my responsibility to handle a cup or coffee with the
> > equipment I have on hand. Or don't stop for one Perhaps McD should
> > ask each customer if they are properly equipped and trained to handle
> > a cup of coffle.
> >
>
>
> Back in the 1960s, people did not eat in their cars, except at a
> drive-in restaurant where they mounted the tray on the window. There
> were no drive thru joints. People with Lamborghinis tend to have more
> class than to eat in their expensive cars.

Class has nothing to do with it. Europeans smoke while they drive and
you can't do both. They'll be off cigarettes in a few years, then
you'll begin to see cup holders. Look at how long it took the USA to
switch from smoking in their cars to drinking enough coffee that they
needed cup holders.... it was 40-50 years after the Surgeon General's
mandatory warning on packages of cigarettes first appeared. I
remember when people used to balance their coffee cups on the
dashboard or place them on the console.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"jmcquown" wrote:
>
>I would love to be on that jury. They realized there was a settlement years
>ago, so hey, let's go for it! Let's blame McDonalds because we're stupid.
>
>Jill


Don't you mean let's sue McD's 'cause they're *rich*?
The 7-11s and other convenience stores around here sell jumbo sized
coffee in reusable hard plastic insulated mugs with screw caps that
have a slider drinking opening... the first one costs like $2 more but
then refills are at bargain prices... most all the regular commuters
carry that cup in their vehical... also comes with a holder one can
hang from the slide out ashtray... just about every contractor's pick
up carrys at least one.

On 3/04/2012 12:56 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:07:16 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> > wrote:
>
>
>>
>> McDonald's could have made cooler coffee available for immediate
>> drinking --they did not.
>> McDonald's could have simply stopped selling coffee at the drive-thru
>> -- they did not.
>> McDonald's could have doctored the coffee to the client's taste at the
>> drive-thru -- apparently they did not.
>> McDonald's knew that a certain percentage of drive-thru patrons would
>> not have cupholders in their cars.
>>
>> Therefore, McDonald's knew or should have known exactly what was going
>> to happen when they served scalding-hot coffee to their drive-through
>> patrons.
>>
>
> Neither my 1962 Chevy Corvair or my 2011 Lamborghini have cup holders.
> It is still my responsibility to handle a cup or coffee with the
> equipment I have on hand. Or don't stop for one Perhaps McD should
> ask each customer if they are properly equipped and trained to handle
> a cup of coffle.
>
Neither does my Rolls Royce. It does have a rather nice cocktail bar
however. I wouldn't ask my car to demean itself by going through the
McD's drive through...

--

Krypsis

On 03/04/2012 12:59 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Back in the 1960s, people did not eat in their cars, except at a
>> drive-in restaurant where they mounted the tray on the window. There
>> were no drive thru joints. People with Lamborghinis tend to have more
>> class than to eat in their expensive cars.
>
> I'm curious what part of the world you live in. In the USA, the
> reasons people eat in their cars have little to do with society's
> overall decline in "classiness".
>
>

Perhaps you are confusing class with wealth.

On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 06:48:52 +1000, Krypsis >
wrote:


>>
>Neither does my Rolls Royce. It does have a rather nice cocktail bar
>however. I wouldn't ask my car to demean itself by going through the
>McD's drive through...

Park in the back of the lot and have your butler run in for your
order.

Dave Smith wrote:

> >> Back in the 1960s, people did not eat in their cars, except at a
> >> drive-in restaurant where they mounted the tray on the window. There
> >> were no drive thru joints. People with Lamborghinis tend to have more
> >> class than to eat in their expensive cars.
> >
> > I'm curious what part of the world you live in. In the USA, the
> > reasons people eat in their cars have little to do with society's
> > overall decline in "classiness".

> Perhaps you are confusing class with wealth.

I can't imagine what you mean.

On 4/3/2012 8:27 AM, sf wrote:
>
> Class has nothing to do with it. Europeans smoke while they drive and
> you can't do both. They'll be off cigarettes in a few years, then
> you'll begin to see cup holders. Look at how long it took the USA to
> switch from smoking in their cars to drinking enough coffee that they
> needed cup holders.... it was 40-50 years after the Surgeon General's
> mandatory warning on packages of cigarettes first appeared. I
> remember when people used to balance their coffee cups on the
> dashboard or place them on the console.
>

My dad used to put a cup of coffee on the dash and drive. Somehow, it
magically would stick up there without splashing or falling. The steam
would make fascinating patterns on the windshield. I've tried driving
with a cup on the dash but it's more than I can handle. I can maybe go a
hundred feet or so before I have to grab it. Forget about making any
turns. :-)

On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:23:03 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> On 4/3/2012 8:27 AM, sf wrote:
> >
> > Class has nothing to do with it. Europeans smoke while they drive and
> > you can't do both. They'll be off cigarettes in a few years, then
> > you'll begin to see cup holders. Look at how long it took the USA to
> > switch from smoking in their cars to drinking enough coffee that they
> > needed cup holders.... it was 40-50 years after the Surgeon General's
> > mandatory warning on packages of cigarettes first appeared. I
> > remember when people used to balance their coffee cups on the
> > dashboard or place them on the console.
> >
>
> My dad used to put a cup of coffee on the dash and drive. Somehow, it
> magically would stick up there without splashing or falling. The steam
> would make fascinating patterns on the windshield. I've tried driving
> with a cup on the dash but it's more than I can handle. I can maybe go a
> hundred feet or so before I have to grab it. Forget about making any
> turns. :-)

Was it a regular coffee cup or a travel mug? Before cup holders, the
travel mugs had some sort of a skid preventer glued to the bottom.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:
>
> Before cup holders, the travel mugs had some sort of a skid preventer glued to the bottom.

Do you mean like your Michelin panties? LOL

On Apr 3, 5:24*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:23:03 -1000, dsi1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On 4/3/2012 8:27 AM, sf wrote:
>
> > > Class has nothing to do with it. *Europeans smoke while they drive and
> > > you can't do both. *They'll be off cigarettes in a few years, then
> > > you'll begin to see cup holders. *Look at how long it took the USA to
> > > switch from smoking in their cars to drinking enough coffee that they
> > > needed cup holders.... it was 40-50 years after the Surgeon General's
> > > mandatory warning on packages of cigarettes first appeared. *I
> > > remember when people used to balance their coffee cups on the
> > > dashboard or place them on the console.
>
> > My dad used to put a cup of coffee on the dash and drive. Somehow, it
> > magically would stick up there without splashing or falling. The steam
> > would make fascinating patterns on the windshield. I've tried driving
> > with a cup on the dash but it's more than I can handle. I can maybe go a
> > hundred feet or so before I have to grab it. Forget about making any
> > turns. :-)
>
> Was it a regular coffee cup or a travel mug? *Before cup holders, the
> travel mugs had some sort of a skid preventer glued to the bottom.
>

Do you remember the bean bag ashtray? Apparently the weight was enough
to keep it in place on the dash.

A friend loved his Mercury Monarch because he could wedge a can of
soda between the dash and the A-pillar.

On 4/3/2012 2:24 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:23:03 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/3/2012 8:27 AM, sf wrote:
>>>
>>> Class has nothing to do with it. Europeans smoke while they drive and
>>> you can't do both. They'll be off cigarettes in a few years, then
>>> you'll begin to see cup holders. Look at how long it took the USA to
>>> switch from smoking in their cars to drinking enough coffee that they
>>> needed cup holders.... it was 40-50 years after the Surgeon General's
>>> mandatory warning on packages of cigarettes first appeared. I
>>> remember when people used to balance their coffee cups on the
>>> dashboard or place them on the console.
>>>
>>
>> My dad used to put a cup of coffee on the dash and drive. Somehow, it
>> magically would stick up there without splashing or falling. The steam
>> would make fascinating patterns on the windshield. I've tried driving
>> with a cup on the dash but it's more than I can handle. I can maybe go a
>> hundred feet or so before I have to grab it. Forget about making any
>> turns. :-)
>
> Was it a regular coffee cup or a travel mug? Before cup holders, the
> travel mugs had some sort of a skid preventer glued to the bottom.
>

This was just a regular paper hot cup on the dash. I wish he didn't do
that cause it would cause me some anxiety. Now that I think of it, he
should have just had me hold it for him but no...

On 03/04/2012 8:24 PM, sf wrote:

>>
>> My dad used to put a cup of coffee on the dash and drive. Somehow, it
>> magically would stick up there without splashing or falling. The steam
>> would make fascinating patterns on the windshield. I've tried driving
>> with a cup on the dash but it's more than I can handle. I can maybe go a
>> hundred feet or so before I have to grab it. Forget about making any
>> turns. :-)
>
> Was it a regular coffee cup or a travel mug? Before cup holders, the
> travel mugs had some sort of a skid preventer glued to the bottom.
>

The used to be two part travel mugs, a semi flanged base that was glued
to the dash and a lip on the bottom of the mug to slip into the flange.

On 03/04/2012 5:58 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>> Back in the 1960s, people did not eat in their cars, except at a
>>>> drive-in restaurant where they mounted the tray on the window. There
>>>> were no drive thru joints. People with Lamborghinis tend to have more
>>>> class than to eat in their expensive cars.
>>>
>>> I'm curious what part of the world you live in. In the USA, the
>>> reasons people eat in their cars have little to do with society's
>>> overall decline in "classiness".
>
>> Perhaps you are confusing class with wealth.
>
> I can't imagine what you mean.
>
>
I am not surprised.

On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 21:54:58 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 03/04/2012 8:24 PM, sf wrote:
>
> >>
> >> My dad used to put a cup of coffee on the dash and drive. Somehow, it
> >> magically would stick up there without splashing or falling. The steam
> >> would make fascinating patterns on the windshield. I've tried driving
> >> with a cup on the dash but it's more than I can handle. I can maybe go a
> >> hundred feet or so before I have to grab it. Forget about making any
> >> turns. :-)
> >
> > Was it a regular coffee cup or a travel mug? Before cup holders, the
> > travel mugs had some sort of a skid preventer glued to the bottom.
> >
>
> The used to be two part travel mugs, a semi flanged base that was glued
> to the dash and a lip on the bottom of the mug to slip into the flange.

I think those were the bridge between what I'm talking about and the
cup holders of today. My first built in cup holder popped out from
the dash. It had a break where the cup handle went and the bottom of
the cup rested on my console.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf > wrote in
:


> I think those were the bridge between what I'm talking about and the
> cup holders of today. My first built in cup holder popped out from
> the dash. It had a break where the cup handle went and the bottom of
> the cup rested on my console.
>


You need a cup with a largish flat bottom, and one of these........

http://www.ozstock.com.au/2892/FREE-...cky-Pad---The-
Rubber-Anti-Slip-Mat.html




--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:41:04 +0000 (UTC), "I'm back on the laptop"
> wrote:

> sf > wrote in
> :
>
>
> > I think those were the bridge between what I'm talking about and the
> > cup holders of today. My first built in cup holder popped out from
> > the dash. It had a break where the cup handle went and the bottom of
> > the cup rested on my console.
> >
>
>
> You need a cup with a largish flat bottom, and one of these........
>
> http://www.ozstock.com.au/2892/FREE-...cky-Pad---The-
> Rubber-Anti-Slip-Mat.html

I like it!

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf > wrote in newsqdnn719n8q3ufuh1kf4u4e5ichdq8lcp0@
4ax.com:

> On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 02:41:04 +0000 (UTC), "I'm back on the laptop"
> > wrote:
>
>> sf > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>
>> > I think those were the bridge between what I'm talking about and the
>> > cup holders of today. My first built in cup holder popped out from
>> > the dash. It had a break where the cup handle went and the bottom of
>> > the cup rested on my console.
>> >
>>
>>
>> You need a cup with a largish flat bottom, and one of these........
>>
>> http://www.ozstock.com.au/2892/FREE-...cky-Pad---The-
>> Rubber-Anti-Slip-Mat.html
>
> I like it!
>



It'd work well with 'wide base travel mug'........... as I now know they
are called :-)

I was sent one from the State a long while back, stainless steel, from
Starbucks IIRC. People used to comment on it's 'weird' shape, until they
saw me zipping around with it stuck on the dashboard and not spilling
anything :-)


--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

In article >, says...
>
> On 3/04/2012 12:56 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:07:16 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> McDonald's could have made cooler coffee available for immediate
> >> drinking --they did not.
> >> McDonald's could have simply stopped selling coffee at the drive-thru
> >> -- they did not.
> >> McDonald's could have doctored the coffee to the client's taste at the
> >> drive-thru -- apparently they did not.
> >> McDonald's knew that a certain percentage of drive-thru patrons would
> >> not have cupholders in their cars.
> >>
> >> Therefore, McDonald's knew or should have known exactly what was going
> >> to happen when they served scalding-hot coffee to their drive-through
> >> patrons.
> >>
> >
> > Neither my 1962 Chevy Corvair or my 2011 Lamborghini have cup holders.
> > It is still my responsibility to handle a cup or coffee with the
> > equipment I have on hand. Or don't stop for one Perhaps McD should
> > ask each customer if they are properly equipped and trained to handle
> > a cup of coffle.
> >
> Neither does my Rolls Royce. It does have a rather nice cocktail bar
> however. I wouldn't ask my car to demean itself by going through the
> McD's drive through...

OK, check this one out. Watch it all the way to the end.

On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 03:09:49 +0000 (UTC), "I'm back on the laptop"
> wrote:

>
> It'd work well with 'wide base travel mug'........... as I now know they
> are called :-)
>
> I was sent one from the State a long while back, stainless steel, from
> Starbucks IIRC. People used to comment on it's 'weird' shape, until they
> saw me zipping around with it stuck on the dashboard and not spilling
> anything :-)

I had one of those in ceramic.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.