I'm back on the laptop wrote:
> sf > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), pamjd >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 13, 1:42 am, sf > wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>>>>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit.
>>>>> Unless you're his next of kin, let it go.
>>>>
>>>> It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. If he's driving
>>>> and has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has
>>>> another one.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>>>
>>> It really is not your business. You are worried about something that
>>> might happen. If we interfered with others because something might
>>> happen everyone would be reporting everyone! If you get involved,
>>> ( make calls for him, stick your nose in at all,) in all probablilty
>>> you will lose a friend evenually. If you think he is dangerous call
>>> the cops otherwize stay out of it and be there for him if he melts
>>> down hard. You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
>>> already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, ya
>>> just got to let the system play out.
>>
>> I think the attitude of ignoring mental illness is horrible. Stick
>> your head in the sand and ignore the obvious, but I'm not going to do
>> that.
>>
>
>
>
> Good for you!!
>
> 'pamjd' seems to have the quintessential American attitude of
> stepping over someone in the street that has fallen down with a heart
> attack, or averting the eyes so that they can't see if someone is
> being attacked..... if they can't see it, it doesn't exist, and they
> don't have to do anything.

Sadly when it comes to mental illness, there isn't much another person can
do. Unless the person is a threat to themself or others. Of course one
might argue that driving erratically with a child in the vehicle might be a
threat.

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:58:13 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
> wrote:
>
>> i will say that
>> asking for mental health advice on any newsgroup, and especially this
>> one, is a fool's errand at best.
>
> I asked how to know when someone is building up to a panic attack and
> so far nobody has a clue.

Nonsense! I have a clue and I told you. A quick search will show you the
symptoms. But a person who is having one can also be adept at hiding the
symptoms. I know. I know several people who have them. And mostly they
don't want others to know.

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:12:32 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
> > wrote:
>
>> On Apr 12, 11:42 pm, sf > wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:05:47 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>> I'm sure he'll get a referral out of the emergency room visit.
>>>> Unless you're his next of kin, let it go.
>>>
>>> It's not the first one and I'm not letting it go. If he's driving
>>> and has the baby with him, it would put her in danger when he has
>>> another one.
>>
>> If it was not the first time, then why did you say you were
>> surprised? And why did you say it was out of character for him?
>> Logically you would have said, "my friend had *another* panic
>> attack," "they're really starting to worry me," etc.
>
> Why would I say "another" if I didn't know it had happened before? I
> didn't find that part out until after I wrote the OP asking about
> warning signs. This person had hidden the fact that he had panic
> attacks until he was forced to admit it. He'd been acting weird but I
> couldn't put my finger on what the problem was. I knew something
> wasn't right, but I didn't know what was wrong until he was released
> from the hospital.
>
> His mother was in the hospital a few weeks ago because, among other
> things, she went temporarily blind. She had lots of testing while
> she was in there, including CAT and MRI, but they found nothing
> physically wrong with her. I'm thinking now that it was her form of a
> panic attack.
>
> I'm shocked that no one here can tell me if there are any warning
> signs and what to look for. Never mind. I've educated myself now.

As I told you, a lot of people who have them, do not want others to know.
And they will take great pains to try to appear normal. Obviously this
person did not. You know how they act now when having one. You saw it.

spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On Apr 13, 12:24 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:23:52 -0700 (PDT), pamjd wrote:
>>> It really is not your business. You are worried about something that
>>> might happen. If we interfered with others because something might
>>> happen everyone would be reporting everyone! If you get involved,
>>> ( make calls for him, stick your nose in at all,) in all probablilty
>>> you will lose a friend evenually. If you think he is dangerous call
>>> the cops otherwize stay out of it and be there for him if he melts
>>> down hard. You don't now the whole story so you can't know what is
>>> already being done. He went tothe ER so he is in the system, ya just
>>> got to let the system play out.
>>
>> I don't see her posts, but from what I've seen quoted, I think it's
>> her son. Not that I still don't disagree with your post.
>>
>> -sw (avoiding the word guess)
>
> OK I can see her concern if it's her son. If he's single, I can see
> why his mom is stepping in. But it doesn't sound like a panic attack
> to me, so I don't know how we can tell her the early warning symptoms.
> An attack is by definition sudden.
>
> But stress can precipitate a panic attack. Perhaps she was bugging him
> right before it started.

It doesn't sound like a panic attack to me either. But maybe it goes beyond
that. Maybe this person has PTSD.

I know a person who would have panic attacks while driving. She would pull
to a potentially dangerous spot and just stop and hyperventilate. She might
pull to the shoulder. She might pull to a double turn lane. So she was
sort of out of the way but not really. And then she couldn't calm herself
down so would then expect me, the passenger to switch places with her and
drive her home.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:04:54 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>
>>> I'm shocked that no one here can tell me if there are any warning
>>> signs and what to look for. Never mind. I've educated myself now.
>>
>> As I told you, a lot of people who have them, do not want others to know.
>
> That's how I felt when I had them.
>
> But the fact she whines about us not telling her what the symptoms are
> when she can get much better information from numerous medical
> websites is just totally uncalled for. I don't think she's right in
> the head.
>
> And I still think it's her son or son-in-law. Even more convinced
> now.

Me too on all counts.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:07:19 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> It doesn't sound like a panic attack to me either. But maybe it goes
>> beyond
>> that. Maybe this person has PTSD.
>
> I'm not going into this much but I used to have really bad panic
> attacks. My blood pressure would get to up 200 over 130-145. That
> can cause disorientation, but the type of things that she described.
> In my case I just froze. They would last for 1-3 hours until I found
> the right medication (which I no longer take).
>
> I think it's really foolish to discuss the problem here based on
> third-hand information and one emergency room diagnosis. It's
> foolish to ask for information here, too. We've got people here who
> think the cure to cancer is baking soda and maple syrup.

Not only that but there are other medical conditions that can give panic
attack symptoms. I had those symptoms when my thyroid was out of whack.
Having dealt with people who did have panic attacks, I was convinced that
was *not* what I was having, even though symptoms might have seemed
otherwise. Once my dose of thyroid med was lowered a *lot* those symptoms
magically went away.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:


>
> Not only that but there are other medical conditions that can give
> panic attack symptoms. I had those symptoms when my thyroid was out
> of whack. Having dealt with people who did have panic attacks, I was
> convinced that was *not* what I was having, even though symptoms might
> have seemed otherwise. Once my dose of thyroid med was lowered a
> *lot* those symptoms magically went away.
>
>
>



I wouldn't bother with that mentally ill 'spurts'...... it's a ****wit of
the highest order.

It's shown a looooooong history of mental illness and mysoginy in
here...... and a predilection for young boys.



--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

Sqwertz wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>
>>> I'm shocked that no one here can tell me if there are any warning
>>> signs and what to look for. Never mind. I've educated myself now.
>>
>> As I told you, a lot of people who have them, do not want others to know.
>
>That's how I felt when I had them.
>
>But the fact she whines about us not telling her what the symptoms are
>when she can get much better information from numerous medical
>websites is just totally uncalled for. I don't think she's right in
>the head.
>
>And I still think it's her son or son-in-law. Even more convinced
>now.

Much more likely herself. Most people tend to hide any illness, same
as animals do, it's how they hide their vulnerability. Ninety nine
times out of a hundred when people pose a question to strangers about
any medical condition they are asking about themselves.

On 13/04/2012 3:13 PM, sf wrote:

>
> Why would I say "another" if I didn't know it had happened before? I
> didn't find that part out until after I wrote the OP asking about
> warning signs. This person had hidden the fact that he had panic
> attacks until he was forced to admit it. He'd been acting weird but I
> couldn't put my finger on what the problem was. I knew something
> wasn't right, but I didn't know what was wrong until he was released
> from the hospital.

I am assuming that this is not a young person. Panic attacks don't
usually suddenly start midlife. His weird behaviour should have been a
bit of a a clue. The only people I have ever known who have manic
attacks were at least a little strange.



> His mother was in the hospital a few weeks ago because, among other
> things, she went temporarily blind. She had lots of testing while
> she was in there, including CAT and MRI, but they found nothing
> physically wrong with her. I'm thinking now that it was her form of a
> panic attack.

It might indicate a family history of psychiatric problems.




> I'm shocked that no one here can tell me if there are any warning
> signs and what to look for. Never mind. I've educated myself now.


I have an Honours degree is Psychology but graduated 38 years ago. I am
not a qualified therapist and don't even play one on television. I am
so out of date on psychological issues that I don't even know the
politically correct terms for conditions anymore. When I was studying
psych, mental retardation was a valid description for a condition. Now
is is not PC and has been replaced by developmentally delayed,
developmentally challenged, and a number of other terms.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:54:16 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 13/04/2012 3:13 PM, sf wrote:
>
>>
>> Why would I say "another" if I didn't know it had happened before? I
>> didn't find that part out until after I wrote the OP asking about
>> warning signs. This person had hidden the fact that he had panic
>> attacks until he was forced to admit it. He'd been acting weird but I
>> couldn't put my finger on what the problem was. I knew something
>> wasn't right, but I didn't know what was wrong until he was released
>> from the hospital.
>
>I am assuming that this is not a young person. Panic attacks don't
>usually suddenly start midlife. His weird behaviour should have been a
>bit of a a clue. The only people I have ever known who have manic
>attacks were at least a little strange.
>
>
>
>> His mother was in the hospital a few weeks ago because, among other
>> things, she went temporarily blind. She had lots of testing while
>> she was in there, including CAT and MRI, but they found nothing
>> physically wrong with her. I'm thinking now that it was her form of a
>> panic attack.
>
>It might indicate a family history of psychiatric problems.
>
>
>
>
>> I'm shocked that no one here can tell me if there are any warning
>> signs and what to look for. Never mind. I've educated myself now.
>
>
>I have an Honours degree is Psychology but graduated 38 years ago. I am
>not a qualified therapist and don't even play one on television. I am
>so out of date on psychological issues that I don't even know the
>politically correct terms for conditions anymore. When I was studying
>psych, mental retardation was a valid description for a condition. Now
>is is not PC and has been replaced by developmentally delayed,
>developmentally challenged, and a number of other terms.

I always thought "developmentally delayed" meant a late bloomer, and
"developmentally challenged" meant an A cup.

On 4/13/2012 1:13 PM, sf wrote:
> I'm shocked that no one here can tell me if there are any warning
> signs and what to look for. Never mind. I've educated myself now.

Don't be shocked. There are few warning signs of impending panic attack
other than rising stress level and diminishing ability to cope. It could
happen quickly or slowly.

Not behaving like oneself is part of many problems, so it's impossible
to tell from your description whether it was or wasn't a panic attack.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 13:26:19 -0600, Pennyaline
> wrote:

> On 4/13/2012 1:13 PM, sf wrote:
> > I'm shocked that no one here can tell me if there are any warning
> > signs and what to look for. Never mind. I've educated myself now.
>
> Don't be shocked. There are few warning signs of impending panic attack
> other than rising stress level and diminishing ability to cope. It could
> happen quickly or slowly.

Thanks.
>
> Not behaving like oneself is part of many problems, so it's impossible
> to tell from your description whether it was or wasn't a panic attack.
>
That's what I was told. I didn't make it up.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 4/15/2012 2:31 AM, sf wrote:

> That's what I was told. I didn't make it up.


I didn't say you'd made it up. My point was that it wasn't enough
information to work with.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:12:33 -0600, Pennyaline
> wrote:

> On 4/15/2012 2:31 AM, sf wrote:
>
> > That's what I was told. I didn't make it up.
>
>
> I didn't say you'd made it up. My point was that it wasn't enough
> information to work with.
>

Other than online interactions in usenet with people who are not
stable, I've had zero experience dealing with people who are mentally
ill and that's why I asked about typical warning signs. I knew what I
observed and I knew what I was told, but I was also pretty sure I
hadn't gotten the entire story. I know now that treatment involves
behavioral therapy that trains the patient to recognize their own
triggers and warning signs. When I posted the OP, I was hoping
warning signs would be clear to an observer - like knowing when
someone has a broken leg or the chicken pox. Which reminds me, I need
to check with my Dr. about a shingles vaccine.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:12:33 -0600, Pennyaline
> > wrote:
>
> > On 4/15/2012 2:31 AM, sf wrote:
> >
> > > That's what I was told. I didn't make it up.
> >
> >
> > I didn't say you'd made it up. My point was that it wasn't enough
> > information to work with.
> >
>
> Other than online interactions in usenet with people who are not
> stable, I've had zero experience dealing with people who are mentally
> ill and that's why I asked about typical warning signs.

Some mental illnesses do include similar symptoms to some aspects of
some panic attacks; however, that does not mean that everyone who
experiences panic attacks has a mental illness. Panic attacks with no
other psychiatric symptoms, are NOT classified as mental illness.

I knew what I
> observed and I knew what I was told, but I was also pretty sure I
> hadn't gotten the entire story.

I know now that treatment involves
> behavioral therapy that trains the patient to recognize their own
> triggers and warning signs.

You're still making an error of a single classification. Like thinking
that every sore knee is rheumatoid arthritis, or every headache is
migraine. There are many many casues of sore knees. headaches and panic
attacks and they don't all require or respond to a single kind f
treatment.

Your friend may require behavioural therapy but that does not make it
the standard treatment (or even necessary) for all panic attacks. It all
depends on the underlying cause of the PA. Which can be something as
simple as side effect of medication for some unrelated condition.

Janet.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 18:21:11 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:12:33 -0600, Pennyaline
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > On 4/15/2012 2:31 AM, sf wrote:
>> >
>> > > That's what I was told. I didn't make it up.
>> >
>> >
>> > I didn't say you'd made it up. My point was that it wasn't enough
>> > information to work with.
>> >
>>
>> Other than online interactions in usenet with people who are not
>> stable, I've had zero experience dealing with people who are mentally
>> ill and that's why I asked about typical warning signs.
>
> Some mental illnesses do include similar symptoms to some aspects of
>some panic attacks; however, that does not mean that everyone who
>experiences panic attacks has a mental illness. Panic attacks with no
>other psychiatric symptoms, are NOT classified as mental illness.
>
> I knew what I
>> observed and I knew what I was told, but I was also pretty sure I
>> hadn't gotten the entire story.
>
> I know now that treatment involves
>> behavioral therapy that trains the patient to recognize their own
>> triggers and warning signs.
>
> You're still making an error of a single classification. Like thinking
>that every sore knee is rheumatoid arthritis, or every headache is
>migraine. There are many many casues of sore knees. headaches and panic
>attacks and they don't all require or respond to a single kind f
>treatment.
>
> Your friend may require behavioural therapy but that does not make it
>the standard treatment (or even necessary) for all panic attacks. It all
>depends on the underlying cause of the PA. Which can be something as
>simple as side effect of medication for some unrelated condition.
>
> Janet.

What sf neglected to mention is her friend is her hubby and his panic
attack was due to ED... his cure is the little blue pill or trade in
sf for a better model, probably the latter.

Janet > wrote:
-snip-
>experiences panic attacks has a mental illness. Panic attacks with no
>other psychiatric symptoms, are NOT classified as mental illness.
>

Technically, since the revised DSM III, [mid 80's?] they are.

-snip-

> You're still making an error of a single classification. Like thinking
>that every sore knee is rheumatoid arthritis, or every headache is
>migraine. There are many many casues of sore knees. headaches and panic
>attacks and they don't all require or respond to a single kind f
>treatment.
>
> Your friend may require behavioural therapy but that does not make it
>the standard treatment (or even necessary) for all panic attacks. It all
>depends on the underlying cause of the PA. Which can be something as
>simple as side effect of medication for some unrelated condition.
>

What she said.

Jim

sf > wrote in news:6cneo7t29jtbfguf4e2nk9e51m73b2441g@
4ax.com:

> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:31:30 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
> > wrote:
>
>> On Apr 11, 11:18*pm, sf > wrote:
>> > How do you know when someone is building up to a panic attack? * I
>> > know a person who just came back from the hospital after having a
>> > panic attack. *He was doing odd things on Sunday, but we attributed it
>> > to something else... so (to all the medical personal out there) what
>> > do I look for? *I don't want to be surprised like this again.
>> >
>> > thx
>> >
>> > --
>> > Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
>>
>> Maybe he was stoned.
>
> I think he needs a head doctor.
>


(I know I'm late........... however,)


I agree.

I have a friend (22yo) who suffers/ed from 'panic attacks'..... funny, but
they only ever seemed to happen when there were 'compliant' people around
who would rush around and make a fuss over him..... including his parents.

I simple said to him "Try that shit around me and I'll knock you out."

His parents were amazed that his 'panic attacks' stopped very shortly
thereafter.

He couldn't really bung on a 'panic attack' at home or in a social setting
for some trivial little thing, when in training and at work I was putting
him into situations and conditions that should have put him into a
paralysing coma!!


You are right, it is all in their head....... they 'talk' themselves into
it, and if they are allowed to continue with their antics, it gets worse
and worse as time goes on.


--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
:

> sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:58:13 -0400, Jim Elbrecht >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i will say that
>>> asking for mental health advice on any newsgroup, and especially
>>> this one, is a fool's errand at best.
>>
>> I asked how to know when someone is building up to a panic attack and
>> so far nobody has a clue.
>
> Nonsense! I have a clue and I told you. A quick search will show you
> the symptoms. But a person who is having one can also be adept at
> hiding the symptoms. I know. I know several people who have them.
> And mostly they don't want others to know.
>
>



'Panic attacks' are like ADHD/ADD. They are non-existant and a beat up by
the medical profession to pedal more drugs.



--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia