A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:


Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95

Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.

It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

In article >,
says...
>
> A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
>
> Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
> Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
> Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
> Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.

Nothing particularly remarkable about the price of the Miele. It's the
same ballpark as other "super auto" machines that grind, tamp, pull the
shot, dump the grounds, and repeat.

James Silverton wrote:
>
> A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
> Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
> Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
> Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
> Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.

My Mr. Coffee pump and block heater type espresso machine cost $80 and
works quite well.

On 4/14/2012 3:24 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
>
> Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
> Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
> Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
> Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>

When I win the lottery (cough, cough), I'll be sure to avoid the pricy
one

Sky

--

Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:24:39 -0400, James Silverton
> wrote:

>A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
>
>Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
>Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
>Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
>Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
>It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.

You are probably not interested in the La Marzocco then
http://www.wholelattelove.com/espresso_machine.cfm

I though the commercial units for $20k were expensive until I saw one
for $25k

On Apr 14, 5:26*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> James Silverton wrote:
>
> > A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
> > Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
> > Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
> > Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
> > Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
> > It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>
> My Mr. Coffee pump and block heater type espresso machine cost $80 and
> works quite well.

Moderately priced coffee prepared with a cheap drip maker is so good
that I don't want anything that would make coffee any more
compelling. I have trouble resisting too much caffeine already.

--Bryan

On 4/14/2012 4:24 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
>
> Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
> Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
> Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
> Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>

Those price range products are aimed at people who are into bragging
rights. Same as the >$10,000 viking stoves that likely have never been
turned on.

On 14 Apr, 22:24, James Silverton > wrote:
> A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
> Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
> Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
> Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
> Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>
> --
> Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
>
> Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

To make a good Italian coffe, like all italians do, you only need an
alluminium Moka. The secret? Don't wash it with dish soap, only water,
and you will obtain a very good italian coffe.
cheers
Pandora

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Bryan
> wrote:

>On Apr 14, 5:26*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
>> James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> > A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>>
>> > Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
>> > Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>>
>> > Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
>> > Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>>
>> > It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>>
>> My Mr. Coffee pump and block heater type espresso machine cost $80 and
>> works quite well.
>
>Moderately priced coffee prepared with a cheap drip maker is so good
>that I don't want anything that would make coffee any more
>compelling. I have trouble resisting too much caffeine already.
>
>--Bryan

You have too much trouble resisting consuming too much of anything.
It's called gluttony, one of the proverbial 7 deadly sins.

John Kuthe...

On 2012-04-15, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> You are probably not interested in the La Marzocco then
> http://www.wholelattelove.com/espresso_machine.cfm
>
> I though the commercial units for $20k were expensive until I saw one
> for $25k

Starbucks usta use only La Marzoccos, the Mercedes of espresso
machines, but the operator hadda know what (s)he was doing. Most *$
burger-flippin droids didn't. So, they sold off all those 1000s of
lovely SMs and bought "superautos", which is an espresso machine that
does it all, grinds, tamps, perks, delivers an espresso shot with the
press of a single button. No knowledge or skill on the operator's
part necessary. Those are what cost $20-25K and you gotta have a
certified technician in every few days to make sure that superauto is
tweaked to a capital T to deliver that perfect dopo. Otherwise they
get outta adjustment and will deliver up some seriously nasty dreck.

nb


--
vi --the heart of evil!

George wrote:

> > It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.

> Those price range products are aimed at people who are into bragging
> rights. Same as the >$10,000 viking stoves that likely have never been
> turned on.

Wrong. Drag your class envy into the light and accept it for what it
is.

On 15 Apr 2012 12:52:20 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2012-04-15, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> You are probably not interested in the La Marzocco then
>> http://www.wholelattelove.com/espresso_machine.cfm
>>
>> I though the commercial units for $20k were expensive until I saw one
>> for $25k
>
>Starbucks usta use only La Marzoccos, the Mercedes of espresso
>machines, but the operator hadda know what (s)he was doing. Most *$
>burger-flippin droids didn't. So, they sold off all those 1000s of
>lovely SMs and bought "superautos", which is an espresso machine that
>does it all, grinds, tamps, perks, delivers an espresso shot with the
>press of a single button. No knowledge or skill on the operator's
>part necessary. Those are what cost $20-25K and you gotta have a
>certified technician in every few days to make sure that superauto is
>tweaked to a capital T to deliver that perfect dopo. Otherwise they
>get outta adjustment and will deliver up some seriously nasty dreck.
>
>nb

For those who enjoy potent cawffee my new Farberware percolator brews
the world's best cuppa... perked beats espresso any day. Only
downside is clean up or I'd use it exclusively and shitcan my ADC.
Got this for when there are power outages:
http://www.amazon.com/Farberware-501...4500081&sr=8-3

On 4/15/2012 10:28 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> George wrote:
>
>>> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>
>> Those price range products are aimed at people who are into bragging
>> rights. Same as the>$10,000 viking stoves that likely have never been
>> turned on.
>
> Wrong. Drag your class envy into the light and accept it for what it
> is.
>
>

Really? You are the definitive expert on human nature to be able to make
that statement?

George wrote:

> >> Those price range products are aimed at people who are into bragging
> >> rights. Same as the>$10,000 viking stoves that likely have never been
> >> turned on.
> >
> > Wrong. Drag your class envy into the light and accept it for what it
> > is.

> Really? You are the definitive expert on human nature to be able to make
> that statement?

Don't have to be. I only diagnosed your empty prattle as what it
sounded like.

High-end appliances are purchased for several reasons. You can't
afford them, so you don't have a choice to make, so you mindlessly
claimed other people choose them for a reason that assuages your open
wound of unfulfilled entitlement.

Shelley can explain this to you in troglodyte terms if you ask him.

Sheldon posts Patented Crock o' Crap #2,593.

> For those who enjoy potent cawffee my new Farberware percolator brews
> the world's best cuppa.

A complete crock, as usual. Thank you, Shelley.

True dat. I've found 3 unused expresso makers for $3-5 at second handers, and they work fabulously.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:39:54 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>Sheldon posts Patented Crock o' Crap #2,593.
>
>> For those who enjoy potent cawffee my new Farberware percolator brews
>> the world's best cuppa.
>
>A complete crock, as usual. Thank you, Shelley.

A percolator flagrantly violates one of the cardinal rules of coffee:
Never boil coffee!

Now I know why all those ads back in the 1960's had housewives
fretting about not being able to make a good cup of coffee! ;-)

John Kuthe...

On Apr 15, 5:25*am, Pandora > wrote:
> On 14 Apr, 22:24, James Silverton > wrote:
>
> > A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
> > Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
> > Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
> > Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
> > Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
> > It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>
> > --
> > Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)
>
> > Extraneous "not" in Reply To.
>
> To make a good Italian coffe, like all italians do, you only need an
> alluminium Moka. The secret? Don't wash it with dish soap, only water,
> and you will obtain a very good italian coffe.
> cheers
> Pandora

100% agree with you, Pandora. I have 2 Moka pots- one small and 1
large. They are great to take camping also!

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:36:54 -0500, BubbaBob
> wrote:

>John Kuthe > wrote:
>
>
>>
>> A percolator flagrantly violates one of the cardinal rules of coffee:
>> Never boil coffee!
>>
>> Now I know why all those ads back in the 1960's had housewives
>> fretting about not being able to make a good cup of coffee! ;-)
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
>It also violates the rule about never running the coffee through the
>grounds more than once.
>
>The coffee in America was bad in the sixties because the big can coffee
>companies only dealt in Robusta beans.
>
>Now that they mostly use 5th rate Vietnamese beans (mostly Robusta, as
>well) the coffee from cans is every bit as bad as it was in 1960.

True, I'd never thought of that!

Did you used to frequent alt.drugs.caffeine? I think that was the
group years ago that had an FAQ on how to brew good coffee, and the
first rule was to obtain good coffee, and a note about everything in
the grocery store was rubbish! I was reminded of that last weekend
being at a hunting cabin and all we had was a can of Folger's in the
freezer, unopened, so I piled a lot in a drip machine and it was
strong enough, but not good tasting like my Sumatran.

John Kuthe...

On 2012-04-15, BubbaBob > wrote:

> How would anyone notice seriously nasty dreck at a Starbucks? Their whole
> business is based on seriously nasty dreck and $40 / gallon milk.

heh heh.... good point.

One of the times when I traveled from CO to CA, I was driving straight
thru and needed quick stimulants. I noticed the newer *$ had drive
thrus and knew they had recently gotten all new superautos. With this
in mind, I started hitting the drive thrus and ordering dbl dopos.
They were, on the whole, pretty danged good. In fact, round trip, I
only ran across one *$ that was serving espresso from a seriously
outta whack machine. All these were competively priced, at < $2 for
a dbl.

Considering the number of "espresso" shops I've gagged down really
terrible espresso, over the years --places that should know better,
but don't-- Starbucks has a higher success rate than most. BTW, I
don't do the cow juice thing.

nb

--
vi --the heart of evil!

On Apr 15, 12:38*pm, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:39:54 -0400, George M. Middius
>
> > wrote:
> >Sheldon posts Patented Crock o' Crap #2,593.
>
> >> For those who enjoy potent cawffee my new Farberware percolator brews
> >> the world's best cuppa.
>
> >A complete crock, as usual. Thank you, Shelley.
>
> A percolator flagrantly violates one of the cardinal rules of coffee:
> Never boil coffee!
>
John is correct. Boiling coffee is an indefensible obscenity.
Patently bad coffee sucks. I drank some today because it was left
over from an event at the church, but good coffee that is subjected to
boiling is even worse than bad "church coffee" that has not been
boiled. I chugged the leftover coffee for the caffeine because I
didn't get much sleep last night, and didn't want to risk falling
asleep at the symphony, which is always unacceptable.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

On Apr 15, 10:38*am, George M. Middius > wrote:
> George wrote:
> > >> Those price range products are aimed at people who are into bragging
> > >> rights. Same as the>$10,000 viking stoves that likely have never been
> > >> turned on.
>
> > > Wrong. Drag your class envy into the light and accept it for what it
> > > is.
> > Really? You are the definitive expert on human nature to be able to make
> > that statement?
>
> Don't have to be. I only diagnosed your empty prattle as what it
> sounded like.
>
> High-end appliances are purchased for several reasons. You can't
> afford them, so you don't have a choice to make, so you mindlessly
> claimed other people choose them for a reason that assuages your open
> wound of unfulfilled entitlement.
>
> Shelley can explain this to you in troglodyte terms if you ask him.

My problem with those "high end appliances" is that they are only
marginally better than some of the cheaper ones. The difference
between a Mr. Coffee and a percolator is huge, but the difference
between a Mr. Coffee and a fancy coffee machine is much less.

"Class envy" is a bullshit term. Income level envy is a legitimate
one.

How about this distinction?
If the overwhelming majority of your taxable income is taxed as
earnings, you are *working class*.
If the overwhelming majority of your taxable income is taxed as
dividends and capital gains, you are *ownership class*.

If you are a small business owner who works his or her own ass off,
while employing others for salary/wages, your can properly be called
"middle class," since you have one foot in each camp.

Using the word, "class" as a synonym for income level is complete
bullshit. "Class" has a meaning, but the McCarthyist/Ayn Randist/John
Birchers have convinced way too many working class folks that class is
synonymous with income level because it is in the economic interest of
those who merely own to divide workers of different incomes, setting
them against each other.

The ownership class has been making war upon working people for many
years, but they only call it "class warfare" when we fight back.
Don't be a chump.

--Bryan

On 4/14/2012 10:24 AM, James Silverton wrote:
> A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
>
> Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
> Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
> Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
> Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>

Your coffee maker is way too extravagant for me, my coffee maker costs
$12. It's a little Sylvania model that I got from Walgrens. It makes 2
cups. The brand Sylvania seem to be positioning itself into the
dirt-cheap consumer electronics business. That's the breaks.

As it goes, taste is secondary. If coffee had no caffeine, there would
be no Starbucks and no coffee culture. My guess is that people would pay
pretty much whatever it costs to get their hit of the world's favorite
drug of choice each morning. 7484

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:26:20 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>>
>> Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
>> Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>>
>> Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
>> Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>>
>> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>
>My Mr. Coffee pump and block heater type espresso machine cost $80 and
>works quite well.

My expresso is even cheaper.

Fill a cup with water and place in microwave till its hot.
Add double the recommended amount of instant coffee.
Add a tsp of instant hot cocoa
Add a tbsp (or more) instant coffee creamer

Stir with a spoon, and drink.

No machine required.

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 04:28:52 -0500, wrote:



>
>My expresso is even cheaper.
>
>Fill a cup with water and place in microwave till its hot.
>Add double the recommended amount of instant coffee.
>Add a tsp of instant hot cocoa
>Add a tbsp (or more) instant coffee creamer
>
>Stir with a spoon, and drink.
>
>No machine required.

I'm not sure what that makes, but it is certainly no espresso. In
spite of the small size, espresso is not a heavy dose of caffeine that
you are getting. Nor is it overly strong.

But if you like it, . . .

On Apr 16, 4:28*am, wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:26:20 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >James Silverton wrote:
>
> >> A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
> >> Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
> >> Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
> >> Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
> >> Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
> >> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>
> >My Mr. Coffee pump and block heater type espresso machine cost $80 and
> >works quite well.
>
> My expresso is even cheaper.
>
> Fill a cup with water and place in microwave till its hot.
> Add double the recommended amount of instant coffee.
> Add a tsp of instant hot cocoa
> Add a tbsp (or more) instant coffee creamer
>
> Stir with a spoon, and drink.
>
> No machine required.

Sure, but your tastes make you worthy of nothing better than slopping
like a pig. Perhaps you'd enjoy sharing a pig trough with Andy and
Stu.

--Bryan

On 4/15/2012 11:38 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> George wrote:
>
>>>> Those price range products are aimed at people who are into bragging
>>>> rights. Same as the>$10,000 viking stoves that likely have never been
>>>> turned on.
>>>
>>> Wrong. Drag your class envy into the light and accept it for what it
>>> is.
>
>> Really? You are the definitive expert on human nature to be able to make
>> that statement?
>
> Don't have to be. I only diagnosed your empty prattle as what it
> sounded like.
>

Sounds like I really touched a raw nerve...


> High-end appliances are purchased for several reasons. You can't
> afford them, so you don't have a choice to make, so you mindlessly
> claimed other people choose them for a reason that assuages your open
> wound of unfulfilled entitlement.
>
> Shelley can explain this to you in troglodyte terms if you ask him.
>

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 04:28:52 -0500, wrote:
....
>
>My expresso is even cheaper.
>
>Fill a cup with water and place in microwave till its hot.
>Add double the recommended amount of instant coffee.
>Add a tsp of instant hot cocoa
>Add a tbsp (or more) instant coffee creamer
>
>Stir with a spoon, and drink.
>
>No machine required.

When I first started working in the donut shop I was still living with
my parents and before work I'd fill a cup with hot water from the tap,
add a spoonful of my father's Taster's Choice instant, add some milk
and sugar and slam it for the caffeine.

Hardly a cup of coffee as I'm enjoying right now!

John Kuthe...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:40:53 -0700 (PDT), Bryan
> wrote:

>On Apr 15, 10:38*am, George M. Middius > wrote:
>> George wrote:
>> > >> Those price range products are aimed at people who are into bragging
>> > >> rights. Same as the>$10,000 viking stoves that likely have never been
>> > >> turned on.
>>
>> > > Wrong. Drag your class envy into the light and accept it for what it
>> > > is.
>> > Really? You are the definitive expert on human nature to be able to make
>> > that statement?
>>
>> Don't have to be. I only diagnosed your empty prattle as what it
>> sounded like.
>>
>> High-end appliances are purchased for several reasons. You can't
>> afford them, so you don't have a choice to make, so you mindlessly
>> claimed other people choose them for a reason that assuages your open
>> wound of unfulfilled entitlement.
>>
>> Shelley can explain this to you in troglodyte terms if you ask him.
>
>My problem with those "high end appliances" is that they are only
>marginally better than some of the cheaper ones. The difference
>between a Mr. Coffee and a percolator is huge, but the difference
>between a Mr. Coffee and a fancy coffee machine is much less.
>
>"Class envy" is a bullshit term. Income level envy is a legitimate
>one.
>
>How about this distinction?
>If the overwhelming majority of your taxable income is taxed as
>earnings, you are *working class*.
>If the overwhelming majority of your taxable income is taxed as
>dividends and capital gains, you are *ownership class*.
>
>If you are a small business owner who works his or her own ass off,
>while employing others for salary/wages, your can properly be called
>"middle class," since you have one foot in each camp.
>
>Using the word, "class" as a synonym for income level is complete
>bullshit. "Class" has a meaning, but the McCarthyist/Ayn Randist/John
>Birchers have convinced way too many working class folks that class is
>synonymous with income level because it is in the economic interest of
>those who merely own to divide workers of different incomes, setting
>them against each other.
>
>The ownership class has been making war upon working people for many
>years, but they only call it "class warfare" when we fight back.
>Don't be a chump.
>
>--Bryan No Class

BubbaBob wrote:

> BTW, it seems to have been a bad year for Sumatran, Indonesian and New
> Guinea coffees. It happens. I've stopped drinking them until the next
> harvest.

They probably haven't recovered from that quake-tsunami combo a couple
years ago.

James Silverton > wrote in news:jmcmdp$6os$1
@dont-email.me:

> A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>
>
> Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
> Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>
> Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
> Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>
> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>



I started off by adopting 'Max'..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAAun...eature=related


He's still downstairs after a major 'heart-lung transplant'.... seems he
got worked to near death and wouldn't have survived without it!! They used
to retail at about $2000.

http://www.comparison.com.au/coffee-...Longhi/EAM3500


After Max went in for his surgery, I looked around, and we adopted 'Sunny'.

http://www.sunbeam.com.au/products/kitchen/em6910/

And he even came with a bonus grinder!!

http://www.sunbeam.com.au/products/kitchen/em0480/


He's been with us at home for about 18 months now, and the one at work is
about 20 months old....... and he gets *flogged*, but is still going
strong!!

LOL!! I even have the honcho's ringing up from head office telling me they
are coming for a visit,and want to have one of my 'famous coffees'!!


--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

On 2012-04-21, dsi1 > wrote:

> You can't superheat water once it starts boiling.

Never claimed I could.

> If you started with a clean, glazed, ceramic cup and water without
> any impurities, you can probably heat the water beyond 187
> degrees. My suggestion is to see how much heat you can pump into the
> water before it gets unstable and spontaneously boils.

Amazing how others who are not in my kitchen presume to tell me what I
can and can't do and/or what I HAVE or have not done.

I bring the water to a boil. I let it stop boiling. I then nuke
immediately it at max pwr for 30 secs. Voilà! Superheated water.
Yes, it's unstable. Yes, it boils up (nucleation) when I pour over
grounds, but not so bad I can't handle it. I could make a video, but
quite frankly I don't care if you believe me or not.

nb

--
vi --the heart of evil!

On 4/21/2012 10:31 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-04-21, > wrote:
>
>> You can't superheat water once it starts boiling.
>
> Never claimed I could.
>
>> If you started with a clean, glazed, ceramic cup and water without
>> any impurities, you can probably heat the water beyond 187
>> degrees. My suggestion is to see how much heat you can pump into the
>> water before it gets unstable and spontaneously boils.
>
> Amazing how others who are not in my kitchen presume to tell me what I
> can and can't do and/or what I HAVE or have not done.
>
> I bring the water to a boil. I let it stop boiling. I then nuke
> immediately it at max pwr for 30 secs. Voilà! Superheated water.
> Yes, it's unstable. Yes, it boils up (nucleation) when I pour over
> grounds, but not so bad I can't handle it. I could make a video, but
> quite frankly I don't care if you believe me or not.
>
> nb
>

Well OK then. I don't believe you. :-)

clotflok wrote:

> I bring the water to a boil. I let it stop boiling. I then nuke
> immediately it at max pwr for 30 secs. Voilà! Superheated water.

Don't you have to decoct it into a non-metallic vessel before nuking?
Seems to me you could just nuke it all the way from room temp to
"superheated". I've never seen nucleation after nuking liquid. Just
opening the door agitates it enough to break surface tension.

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:11:03 -0500, BubbaBob
> wrote:

>dsi1 > wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Well OK then. I don't believe you. :-)
>>
>
>Nor do I. Not any more than I'd believe the the BP of water at 8000 feet is
>187 F.

196.9F

dsi1 > wrote:
> On 4/14/2012 10:24 AM, James Silverton wrote:
>> A very recent ad from Williams-Sonoma:
>>
>>
>> Miele CM5100 Espresso Machine
>> Sugg. Price: $2,649.00 Our Price: $1,999.95
>>
>> Introducing the first fully automatic countertop espresso system from
>> Miele, a Williams-Sonoma exclusive.
>>
>> It doesn't make Espresso but my Sears Kenmore cost $20.
>>
>
> Your coffee maker is way too extravagant for me, my coffee maker costs
> $12. It's a little Sylvania model that I got from Walgrens. It makes 2
> cups. The brand Sylvania seem to be positioning itself into the
> dirt-cheap consumer electronics business. That's the breaks.
>
> As it goes, taste is secondary. If coffee had no caffeine, there would be
> no Starbucks and no coffee culture. My guess is that people would pay
> pretty much whatever it costs to get their hit of the world's favorite
> drug of choice each morning. 7484

Caffeine pills are much cheaper than Starbucks drinks. 5 cents perhaps.
Something about hot liquid in the morning being nice, but I hate scalding
coffee.

I have drank some pretty awful coffee from percolated metal coffee makers.
Bitter.
I think there is a good benefit from using insulated storage makers vs keep
hot containers, if you let it sit for hours.

Greg

BubbaBob > wrote:
> dsi1 > wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Well OK then. I don't believe you. :-)
>>
>
> Nor do I. Not any more than I'd believe the the BP of water at 8000 feet is
> 187 F.

Ahh

Elpaso Texas 204-205 ..

Greg

On 5/16/2012 4:07 PM, gregz wrote:
> Caffeine pills are much cheaper than Starbucks drinks. 5 cents perhaps.
> Something about hot liquid in the morning being nice, but I hate scalding
> coffee.

I think you're right about this - a hot coffee is certainly a comfort in
the morning. I can't say if this is because we associate caffeine with
the hot drink and this signals some brain stimulus coming up or if we
find comfort in this morning ritual. It's probably both.

The coffee I got from Jack-in-the-box was not so good this morning. Weak
with not much flavor. I really like the coffee served in the restaurant
next door. It's tasty, not bitter, with a chocolate character.
Unfortunately, the restaurant next door is not a very warm, inviting,
place to eat breakfast so I just take it back to my office.

>
> I have drank some pretty awful coffee from percolated metal coffee makers.
> Bitter.
> I think there is a good benefit from using insulated storage makers vs keep
> hot containers, if you let it sit for hours.

I agree - bitter coffee sucks. It seems that most coffee is bitter these
days.

>
> Greg