Just in case anyone was unclear about this:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifesty...rcent.html.csp

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> Just in case anyone was unclear about this:
>
> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifesty...rcent.html.csp

Yeah, so? That's the opinion of the writer. I have a different opinion.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:24:59 -0600, Pennyaline wrote:
>
>> Just in case anyone was unclear about this:
>>
>> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifesty...rcent.html.csp
>
> Specifically:
>
> "Hair is made up of a protein, keratin, that can be analyzed to
> determine its mineral content. That data can be used to find out if
> the body is lacking in certain minerals, but it can¢t tell you whether
> you have food intolerances, allergist Lee Freund wrote in The Complete
> Idiot¢s Guide to Food Allergies. Double-blind studies haven¢t shown
> any diagnostic value for this test."
>
> Do you have a copy of that book, Julie? That's what you need is a
> down to earth guide and stop relying on junk science and fictional
> testimonials. Live your life based on facts, not bullshit.

No, I don't have that book. Why would I have that book? I don't have any
food allergies. Allergists frequently don't believe in food intolerances.
I am currently reading some books by Mark Hyman, M.D. and yeah I know
someone will make something of the name. He believes in food intolerances.

I just know that I had the hair test done. I changed my diet based on the
test results. My nasal/sinus issues cleared up. My bowel issues cleared
up. And I lost 8 pounds. Just from changing my diet. I can wear my
wedding ring again. My hands are no longer swollen.

I don't care what anyone here says. I know my reality. And that's all that
matters to me. Note that I did not tell *anyone* here to get their hair
tested. Or to eat a certain thing. Or not eat a certain thing. I just do
what works for me.

On 4/17/2012 12:55 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> nit> wrote in message
> ...
>> Just in case anyone was unclear about this:
>>
>> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifesty...rcent.html.csp
>
> Yeah, so? That's the opinion of the writer. I have a different opinion.


It's the "opinions" of the professional sources the writer refers to,
Julie. The hair test means nothing.

Pennyaline wrote:
>
> Just in case anyone was unclear about this:
> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifesty...rcent.html.csp

The test to use to detect a food intolerance is eliminate and challenge.
The blood tests give far too random results. The article points out
that there is technically a difference between a food allergy and a food
intolerance. Too bad. Food causes bad symptoms in some people and they
call it food allergies.

To do an eliminate and challenge remove the ingredient from your food
for at least a week preferably two. If you feel noticably better then
that food ingredient was extremely bad for you. Then add the ingredient
back in. I'ts much easier to notice symptoms coming back than symptoms
going away. If the symptoms come back that food ingredient is a problem
for you.

If you want a list of tiems to try this test for yourself, glance at
common products and note what they say in the caveat section. Wheat,
gluten, dairy, eggs, peanuts, other legumes, tree nuts and so on.

Will you find a problem? You can't know until you've tried. Claim all
you like that you don't have any food intolerance but you don't have the
data. But don't expect that you'll find a food that causes you. The
chances are higher than you might expect but they are still under 50-50
when you go through the entire list.

The question is whether it's worth looking. If you have some nagging
medical issue that no doctor has ever found a cause for, it's worth it
even if the issue is small. Like chronic indigestion for example.
Folks, the cure for indigestion is not to take pills to screw up your
digestion worse. The cure for indigestion is to isolate if ther eare
ingredients or combinations of ingredients that cause it and then don't
eat those foods. Second, don't eat what makes you feel bad. First, do
a system that tells you what those foods are.

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/17/2012 12:55 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> nit> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Just in case anyone was unclear about this:
>>>
>>> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifesty...rcent.html.csp
>>
>> Yeah, so? That's the opinion of the writer. I have a different opinion.
>
>
> It's the "opinions" of the professional sources the writer refers to,
> Julie. The hair test means nothing.

Yep. Their opinion.

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
...
> Pennyaline wrote:
>>
>> Just in case anyone was unclear about this:
>> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifesty...rcent.html.csp
>
> The test to use to detect a food intolerance is eliminate and challenge.
> The blood tests give far too random results. The article points out
> that there is technically a difference between a food allergy and a food
> intolerance. Too bad. Food causes bad symptoms in some people and they
> call it food allergies.
>
> To do an eliminate and challenge remove the ingredient from your food
> for at least a week preferably two. If you feel noticably better then
> that food ingredient was extremely bad for you. Then add the ingredient
> back in. I'ts much easier to notice symptoms coming back than symptoms
> going away. If the symptoms come back that food ingredient is a problem
> for you.
>
> If you want a list of tiems to try this test for yourself, glance at
> common products and note what they say in the caveat section. Wheat,
> gluten, dairy, eggs, peanuts, other legumes, tree nuts and so on.
>
> Will you find a problem? You can't know until you've tried. Claim all
> you like that you don't have any food intolerance but you don't have the
> data. But don't expect that you'll find a food that causes you. The
> chances are higher than you might expect but they are still under 50-50
> when you go through the entire list.
>
> The question is whether it's worth looking. If you have some nagging
> medical issue that no doctor has ever found a cause for, it's worth it
> even if the issue is small. Like chronic indigestion for example.
> Folks, the cure for indigestion is not to take pills to screw up your
> digestion worse. The cure for indigestion is to isolate if ther eare
> ingredients or combinations of ingredients that cause it and then don't
> eat those foods. Second, don't eat what makes you feel bad. First, do
> a system that tells you what those foods are.

An elimination diet is super hard to do if you don't know what you are
looking for. I never would have known eggs were a problem for me until I
eliminated them from my diet because my daughter had to. And I still
wouldn't have known had I not added them back in, because I was still eating
things that caused problems.

Much of the foods shown as problems on my test were not foods I liked
anyway. All fish/seafood and chicken. Yes, chicken broth is in a lot of
things. But still no big deal. And no big deal about the herbs either.
The dairy? I believe I knew. But I was in denial for a long time.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:59:19 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> news >>
>>> Do you have a copy of that book, Julie? That's what you need is a
>>> down to earth guide and stop relying on junk science and fictional
>>> testimonials. Live your life based on facts, not bullshit.
>>
>> No, I don't have that book. Why would I have that book? I don't have
>> any
>> food allergies.
>
> First hit in deja.com:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.f...d?dmode=source
> "I have food Allergies."
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.f...a?dmode=source
> "I am allergic to eggs"
>
> "So much of their stuff is processed in a plant
> that contains things I am allergic to, too."
>
>
> If you expect us to believe all this bullshit you should keep your
> fairy tales straight. It doesn't help your credibility.
>
>> I am currently reading some books by Mark Hyman, M.D. and yeah I know
>> someone will make something of the name.
>
> OK, I'll bite: When I type that name into Google, Google
> Auto-complete wants to finish off the prase with "quack".
>
> All you're doing is feeding your psychosis by reading that crap. You
> need to read some REAL books written By REAL doctors practicing REAL
> medicine and immunology.
>
>> "I know my reality."
>
> We believe that you believe...

Those are old posts. The two Drs. I saw in the past said they were IgG
allergies. People with IgE allergies got soooooooo angry with me that I
finally decided to call them by their other name, intolerances.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:51:50 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:59:19 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>
>>>>> Do you have a copy of that book, Julie? That's what you need is a
>>>>> down to earth guide and stop relying on junk science and fictional
>>>>> testimonials. Live your life based on facts, not bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't have that book. Why would I have that book? I don't have
>>>> any
>>>> food allergies.
>>>
>>> First hit in deja.com:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.f...d?dmode=source
>>> "I have food Allergies."
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.f...a?dmode=source
>>> "I am allergic to eggs"
>>>
>>> "So much of their stuff is processed in a plant
>>> that contains things I am allergic to, too."
>>>
>>>
>>> If you expect us to believe all this bullshit you should keep your
>>> fairy tales straight. It doesn't help your credibility.
>>>
>>>> I am currently reading some books by Mark Hyman, M.D. and yeah I know
>>>> someone will make something of the name.
>>>
>>> OK, I'll bite: When I type that name into Google, Google
>>> Auto-complete wants to finish off the prase with "quack".
>>>
>>> All you're doing is feeding your psychosis by reading that crap. You
>>> need to read some REAL books written By REAL doctors practicing REAL
>>> medicine and immunology.
>>>
>>>> "I know my reality."
>>>
>>> We believe that you believe...
>>
>> Those are old posts.
>
> They are less than 6 months old.
>
> WAKE UP JULIE!

So? I will not call what I have food allergies ever again. Why? Because
it ****es people off. Some Drs. refer to them as IgG food allergies. I
don't personally think that is wrong. But I never ever said that we have
IgE food allergies. We do not. And yes we have been tested. By a real
allergist. She did tell me that I have OAS to pistachios and almonds. So I
can not eat those.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:50:30 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> An elimination diet is super hard to do if you don't know what you are
>> looking for.
>
> But if you wish for it, it WILL come true. And that's exactly what
> you're doing.

Nope. I am enjoying normal blood sugar now. I was walking around with
blood sugar in the 300 to 400 range for the past several years and no amount
of diabetes meds or insulin would bring it down. It's fine now except for
some hypos and I think that's because I am on too much insulin now.
Obviously to me, the change in diet is what did it. And I didn't have to
cut any more carbs.

End of discussion. Buh bye.

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/17/2012 12:55 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> nit> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Just in case anyone was unclear about this:
>>>
>>> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifesty...rcent.html.csp
>>
>> Yeah, so? That's the opinion of the writer. I have a different opinion.
>
>
> It's the "opinions" of the professional sources the writer refers to,
> Julie. The hair test means nothing.


It's amazing how hard she works so hard to keep the myth alive. Her
daughter who couldn't eat bread/wheat/gluten (whatever the hell it was, who
can keep up?!) suddenly can. Meanwhile, there are many other "intolerable"
foodstuffs available for the rest of the family. And plenty of quack
doctors out there willing to indulge her, too.

Jill

In article >, says...
>
And yes we have been tested. By a real
> allergist.

In Julie World, how do people qualify as a "real allergist"?

Janet

In article >, says...
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:50:30 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >> An elimination diet is super hard to do if you don't know what you are
> >> looking for.
> >
> > But if you wish for it, it WILL come true. And that's exactly what
> > you're doing.
>
> Nope. I am enjoying normal blood sugar now. I was walking around with
> blood sugar in the 300 to 400 range for the past several years and no amount
> of diabetes meds or insulin would bring it down. It's fine now except for
> some hypos and I think that's because I am on too much insulin now.

Your doctor doesn't test your blood sugar and adjust your insulin
accordingly? Would that be another "doctor" you found on the interwebby?

Janet

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Pennyaline" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 4/17/2012 12:55 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> nit> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Just in case anyone was unclear about this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifesty...rcent.html.csp
>>>
>>> Yeah, so? That's the opinion of the writer. I have a different
>>> opinion.
>>
>>
>> It's the "opinions" of the professional sources the writer refers to,
>> Julie. The hair test means nothing.
>
>
> It's amazing how hard she works so hard to keep the myth alive. Her
> daughter who couldn't eat bread/wheat/gluten (whatever the hell it was,
> who can keep up?!) suddenly can. Meanwhile, there are many other
> "intolerable" foodstuffs available for the rest of the family. And plenty
> of quack doctors out there willing to indulge her, too.

Oh you liar! What *rest* of the family? I have only one daughter. You
people commenting here are clueless.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:50:30 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> >> An elimination diet is super hard to do if you don't know what you are
>> >> looking for.
>> >
>> > But if you wish for it, it WILL come true. And that's exactly what
>> > you're doing.
>>
>> Nope. I am enjoying normal blood sugar now. I was walking around with
>> blood sugar in the 300 to 400 range for the past several years and no
>> amount
>> of diabetes meds or insulin would bring it down. It's fine now except
>> for
>> some hypos and I think that's because I am on too much insulin now.
>
> Your doctor doesn't test your blood sugar and adjust your insulin
> accordingly? Would that be another "doctor" you found on the interwebby?

I have an Endocrinologist who is I have been told the best in the area. I
was put on insulin when my A1c reached 7.0. It has only gone higher and
higher since being put on the insulin. I was taking very high doses of 4
different ones. And nothing was working. The Dr. and I were both getting
frustrated.

I don't know what the Interwebby is. I don't really care.

And now that I have changed my diet, all sorts of problems I was having have
resolved. Including the blood sugar issues. According to the books I have
read by Dr. Mark Hyman, food intolerances can raise blood sugar.

On 4/18/2012 3:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote
>> Your doctor doesn't test your blood sugar and adjust your insulin
>> accordingly? Would that be another "doctor" you found on the interwebby?
>
> I have an Endocrinologist who is I have been told the best in the area. I
> was put on insulin when my A1c reached 7.0. It has only gone higher and
> higher since being put on the insulin. I was taking very high doses of 4
> different ones. And nothing was working. The Dr. and I were both getting
> frustrated.
>
> I don't know what the Interwebby is. I don't really care.
>
> And now that I have changed my diet, all sorts of problems I was having have
> resolved. Including the blood sugar issues. According to the books I have
> read by Dr. Mark Hyman, food intolerances can raise blood sugar.


Forget it, Janet. She's not going to answer your question. I gave up a
while ago trying to get her to see that she's being had.

The rest of us, at least, are clear on the issue.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
> And yes we have been tested. By a real
>> allergist.
>
> In Julie World, how do people qualify as a "real allergist"?

OMG! Does board certified suit you?

In article >, says...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> > And yes we have been tested. By a real
> >> allergist.
> >
> > In Julie World, how do people qualify as a "real allergist"?
>
> OMG! Does board certified suit you?

Only if the board is medically accredited and the person was genuinely
certified by them. Don't you know that people can buy fake medical degree
certificates by post?

Janet

On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:58:41 PM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
> >
> > "Janet" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >, says...
> > >>
> > > And yes we have been tested. By a real
> > >> allergist.
> > >
> > > In Julie World, how do people qualify as a "real allergist"?
> >
> > OMG! Does board certified suit you?
>
> Only if the board is medically accredited and the person was genuinely
> certified by them. Don't you know that people can buy fake medical degree
> certificates by post?
>
> Janet

Health and religion...man those two fields are loaded with Internet
counseling quacks

Perhaps I can help Julie as I am currently an ordained Atheist
Minister and have the University credentials to prove it.
Soon I will have my medical degree obtained by an Internet
Correspondence Course. Say AHHHHH Julie...help is on its way.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> > And yes we have been tested. By a real
>> >> allergist.
>> >
>> > In Julie World, how do people qualify as a "real allergist"?
>>
>> OMG! Does board certified suit you?
>
> Only if the board is medically accredited and the person was genuinely
> certified by them. Don't you know that people can buy fake medical degree
> certificates by post?


And you really think the Everett Clinic would hire them? She's still there.
I'm not going to post her name for ya.

"Roy" > wrote in message
news:9792829.481.1334787470230.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbvs6...
> On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:58:41 PM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>> >
>> > "Janet" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > In article >,
>> > > says...
>> > >>
>> > > And yes we have been tested. By a real
>> > >> allergist.
>> > >
>> > > In Julie World, how do people qualify as a "real allergist"?
>> >
>> > OMG! Does board certified suit you?
>>
>> Only if the board is medically accredited and the person was genuinely
>> certified by them. Don't you know that people can buy fake medical degree
>> certificates by post?
>>
>> Janet
>
> Health and religion...man those two fields are loaded with Internet
> counseling quacks
>
> Perhaps I can help Julie as I am currently an ordained Atheist
> Minister and have the University credentials to prove it.
> Soon I will have my medical degree obtained by an Internet
> Correspondence Course. Say AHHHHH Julie...help is on its way.

This person is not an online Dr.

In article >, says...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> "Janet" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >, says...
> >> >>
> >> > And yes we have been tested. By a real
> >> >> allergist.
> >> >
> >> > In Julie World, how do people qualify as a "real allergist"?
> >>
> >> OMG! Does board certified suit you?
> >
> > Only if the board is medically accredited and the person was genuinely
> > certified by them. Don't you know that people can buy fake medical degree
> > certificates by post?
>
>
> And you really think the Everett Clinic would hire them? She's still there.

Which begs the question, what is her opinion of hair-testing for food
allergy? And why, when you have a "real allergist", do you accept advice
from someone in the UK who is not "board certified"?
Janet

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > says...
>> >> >>
>> >> > And yes we have been tested. By a real
>> >> >> allergist.
>> >> >
>> >> > In Julie World, how do people qualify as a "real allergist"?
>> >>
>> >> OMG! Does board certified suit you?
>> >
>> > Only if the board is medically accredited and the person was genuinely
>> > certified by them. Don't you know that people can buy fake medical
>> > degree
>> > certificates by post?
>>
>>
>> And you really think the Everett Clinic would hire them? She's still
>> there.
>
> Which begs the question, what is her opinion of hair-testing for food
> allergy? And why, when you have a "real allergist", do you accept advice
> from someone in the UK who is not "board certified"?
> Janet

AFAIK there is no such thing as hair testing for allergy. What I have is
food intolerances. She said that if a food causes me problems then to stop
eating it.

I do not have food allergies. I do not have food allergies. I DO NOT HAVE
FOOD ALLERGIES! I have never seen such a stupid bunch of people as I have
seen here. Thankfully my real life does not surround me by such idiots.

I am not going to explain food allergies to you beyond the fact that there
is an IgE mediated response.

Food intolerances are an IgG mediated response. Allergists do not test for
them. Not normally anyway.

There are all sorts of reasons why people can't eat certain foods. Do I
know why I can't eat raw pineapple? Well sort of. I know a lot of people
can't. I just know that it blisters my mouth. It's not an allergy.
Doesn't show as an intolerance. Neither do oranges. But they give me the
same response so I don't friggin eat them.

Do I know why garlic if eaten in a strong amount gives me stomach pains?
No. Again, not an allergy or intolerance. But I don't eat a lot of it.

Do I know why most fruit causes me stomach pains? No. It has been
suggested to me that I have issues with sorbitol. I don't know. Thankfully
I don't like most fruit so I just don't eat it.

Do I know why chocolate gives me severe heartburn? Yep. GERD. So I don't
eat it. Just like countless others don't eat things like tomatoes, onions
and peppers. Those things seem to not cause a problem for me.

I also have gastroparsesis caused by diabetes. That means I don't digest
certain foods at all. Like broccoli and steak. So I don't eat them.

I was not well in a variety of ways. I had my food intolerances retested.
I changed my diet based on that. And low and behold, not only did those
issues resolve but the mystery of the blood sugar too! I have seen three
different Endocrinologists in three different states and none could get my
blood sugar under control. And then wow...I changed my diet and now I am at
106 as I type this. A perfectly normal number.

I may not be a rocket scientist but I can tell when things work. And this
worked for me. I am not telling you to do it or anyone else to do it. I
just know that it worked for me. And nothing you can say to me is going to
change my mind.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:33:37 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> According to the books I have
>> read by Dr. Mark Hyman, food intolerances can raise blood sugar.
>
> And I'd bet he claims food intolerances can cause about 100 other
> symptoms. That's how he attracts enough kooks to make his books
> profitable.

Not nearly 100. He does list some other things. Like sinus and eye
troubles, stomach troubles, rashes, inflammation, weight gain or inability
to lose weight, ADHD symptoms... Nothing new to me.

In article >, says...

> I was not well in a variety of ways.

People might believe you this time. Things are looking up...

Janet

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:33:37 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> According to the books I have
>> read by Dr. Mark Hyman, food intolerances can raise blood sugar.
>
> And I'd bet he claims food intolerances can cause about 100 other
> symptoms. That's how he attracts enough kooks to make his books
> profitable.
>
> -sw
>
It's amazing to me how "some people" seem to *want* to have health problems.
If I look hard enough I'm sure I could find plenty of documentation to back
up whatever ailment I might have. Diverticulitis aside (and that's quite
under control), at the moment I don't have one. I do have a bruise on my
leg but that's from bumping it on a chair. I promise, if I invent a medical
condition in the near future I'll let everyone know. Then I'll mail a
sample of my hair to a discredited quack in UK to find out what the problem
is. <snork>

Jill