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My mom used to make bean soup and cornbread once in a while when I was a
kid. It was always Navy bean soup. I liked it except that she put ham in it. I don't like ham and would have to pick out the chunks to eat it. I know some people think that adding a pork product to bean soup makes it taste better. I'm not one of them. Unless it is bean with bacon soup. I don't mind the bacon in there but you don't usually get big chunks of it. And I think adding too much fatty pork can sometimes make the soup too salty and greasy. Black bean would be my next favorite soup. There is a restaurant where I get it. It's very spicy and is a vegan soup. When I make it at home it is vegan except that I am the only one who likes it so I haven't made it in a long while. I tried the black bean at Panera bread and it was pretty lame. If I get it again I will have to add some heat to it. My daughter likes some soup imported from Italy. I like it too but it is very expensive, IMO at $5.99 for a jar with two small servings in it. It's called Beans Soup. It appears to have white kidney beans in it and some sort of tomato product. I would like to be able to find these beans in the dry form so I could make a big pot of it for cheap. I'm sure she would eat it every day. Must look next time we go to Whole Foods. I did find the small white beans. Those are what I use for baked beans. But I'm sure they will make a good soup too. |
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it might be cannoli, sp beans you are looking for. I never met a bean soup
i didn't like. I just made two pounds of navy beans, i put in about 12 ounces of ham diced for the whole pot, plus a half a large onion, two med sized carrots, basil, oregano and parsley flakes, thats it, dh had about half the pot the first day and i froze the rest, he really enjoyed it, too much onion for me though, Lee "Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > My mom used to make bean soup and cornbread once in a while when I was a > kid. It was always Navy bean soup. I liked it except that she put ham in > it. I don't like ham and would have to pick out the chunks to eat it. I > know some people think that adding a pork product to bean soup makes it > taste better. I'm not one of them. Unless it is bean with bacon soup. I > don't mind the bacon in there but you don't usually get big chunks of it. > And I think adding too much fatty pork can sometimes make the soup too > salty and greasy. > > Black bean would be my next favorite soup. There is a restaurant where I > get it. It's very spicy and is a vegan soup. When I make it at home it > is vegan except that I am the only one who likes it so I haven't made it > in a long while. I tried the black bean at Panera bread and it was pretty > lame. If I get it again I will have to add some heat to it. > > My daughter likes some soup imported from Italy. I like it too but it is > very expensive, IMO at $5.99 for a jar with two small servings in it. > It's called Beans Soup. It appears to have white kidney beans in it and > some sort of tomato product. I would like to be able to find these beans > in the dry form so I could make a big pot of it for cheap. I'm sure she > would eat it every day. Must look next time we go to Whole Foods. I did > find the small white beans. Those are what I use for baked beans. But > I'm sure they will make a good soup too. > |
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On May 3, 5:51*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> My mom used to make bean soup and cornbread once in a while when I was a > kid. *It was always Navy bean soup. *I liked it except that she put ham in > it. *I don't like ham and would have to pick out the chunks to eat it. *I > know some people think that adding a pork product to bean soup makes it > taste better. *I'm not one of them. *Unless it is bean with bacon soup. *I > don't mind the bacon in there but you don't usually get big chunks of it. > And I think adding too much fatty pork can sometimes make the soup too salty > and greasy. > > Black bean would be my next favorite soup. *There is a restaurant where I > get it. *It's very spicy and is a vegan soup. *When I make it at home it is > vegan except that I am the only one who likes it so I haven't made it in a > long while. *I tried the black bean at Panera bread and it was pretty lame. > If I get it again I will have to add some heat to it. > > My daughter likes some soup imported from Italy. *I like it too but it is > very expensive, IMO at $5.99 for a jar with two small servings in it. *It's > called Beans Soup. *It appears to have white kidney beans in it and some > sort of tomato product. *I would like to be able to find these beans in the > dry form so I could make a big pot of it for cheap. *I'm sure she would eat > it every day. *Must look next time we go to Whole Foods. *I did find the > small white beans. *Those are what I use for baked beans. *But I'm sure they > will make a good soup too. You can throw in a smoked turkey drumstick instead of ham. I leave the drumstick whole, and when the soup is finished, I throw it out. I don't eat the turkey meat. I just doesn't appeal to me, although it gives the soup a nice flavour. |
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![]() "Storrmmee" <> wrote> it might be cannoli, sp beans you are looking for. I never met a bean soup > i didn't like. I just made two pounds of navy beans, i put in about 12 > ounces of ham diced for the whole pot, plus a half a large onion, two med > sized carrots, basil, oregano and parsley flakes, thats it, dh had about > half the pot the first day and i froze the rest, he really enjoyed it, too > much onion for me though, > > Lee I need to know more about onions. Sometimes they are very mild. Sometimes they are so powerful they'll set your eyebrows on fire just in the slicing. Polly |
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On Thu, 3 May 2012 07:52:36 -0500, "Polly Esther"
> wrote: .... >I need to know more about onions. Sometimes they are very mild. Sometimes >they are so powerful they'll set your eyebrows on fire just in the slicing. >Polly Only way I've found of preventing slicing onions from making my eyes water, etc. is to have a fan blowing the fumes away from my face. My kitchen has a big ceiling fan and I turn it on high speed blowing down while I'm slicing onions and nary shed a tear! John Kuthe... |
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On May 3, 2:51*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > Black bean would be my next favorite soup. *There is a restaurant where I > get it. *It's very spicy and is a vegan soup. *When I make it at home it is > vegan except that I am the only one who likes it so I haven't made it in a > long while. *I tried the black bean at Panera bread and it was pretty lame. > If I get it again I will have to add some heat to it. Here is the black bean soup I served. You can make it with chicken stock or vegetable stock if you want it vegan. It was very popular. http://hizzoners.com/recipes/soups/1...lack-bean-soup |
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Polly Esther wrote:
> I need to know more about onions. Sometimes they are very mild. Sometimes > they are so powerful they'll set your eyebrows on fire just in the slicing. The produce section is definitely not newbie-friendly. |
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On May 3, 6:56*am, John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2012 07:52:36 -0500, "Polly > wrote: > > ... > > >I need to know more about onions. *Sometimes they are very mild. Sometimes > >they are so powerful they'll set your eyebrows on fire just in the slicing. > >Polly > > Only way I've found of preventing slicing onions from making my eyes > water, etc. is to have a fan blowing the fumes away from my face. My > kitchen has a big ceiling fan and I turn it on high speed blowing down > while I'm slicing onions and nary shed a tear! > > John Kuthe... I put the onion in the freezer for about 30 minutes. |
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On May 3, 5:52*am, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
> > I need to know more about onions. *Sometimes they are very mild. Sometimes > they are so powerful they'll set your eyebrows on fire just in the slicing. > Polly Polly, I found that putting onions in the refrigerator makes a big difference. If they are cold when you chop them they don't release those noxious fumes. |
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My favorite bean soups, in this order, are pinto bean, black bean and
navy bean. Becca |
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On May 3, 1:37*pm, ImStillMags > wrote:
> On May 3, 5:52*am, "Polly Esther" > wrote: > > > > > I need to know more about onions. *Sometimes they are very mild. Sometimes > > they are so powerful they'll set your eyebrows on fire just in the slicing. > > Polly > > Polly, I found that putting onions in the refrigerator makes a big > difference. *If they are cold when you chop them they don't release > those noxious fumes. i enjoy the teary eyes that i get from slicing/chopping onions it just hurts so much oh well nothing i can do |
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On May 3, 10:50*am, A Moose in Love >
wrote: > On May 3, 1:37*pm, ImStillMags > wrote: > > > On May 3, 5:52*am, "Polly Esther" > wrote: > > > > I need to know more about onions. *Sometimes they are very mild. Sometimes > > > they are so powerful they'll set your eyebrows on fire just in the slicing. > > > Polly > > > Polly, I found that putting onions in the refrigerator makes a big > > difference. *If they are cold when you chop them they don't release > > those noxious fumes. > > i enjoy the teary eyes that i get from slicing/chopping onions *it > just hurts so much > oh well *nothing i can do so you're just a big old cry baby! |
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Ema Nymton wrote:
> >My favorite bean soups, in this order, are pinto bean, black bean and >navy bean. One of my favorites is dark red kidney bean... this reminds me of school cafeteria lunch, very easy: http://www.recipetips.com/recipe-car...pasta-soup.asp |
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On 5/3/2012 10:25 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> Here is the black bean soup I served. You can make it with chicken > stock or vegetable stock if you want it vegan. > It was very popular. > > http://hizzoners.com/recipes/soups/1...lack-bean-soup That looks great! Thanks. Maybe I can make some before it gets too hot around here. I can eat myself sick on white bean and escarole soup. nancy |
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In article >, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>I. Sometimes >they are so powerful they'll set your eyebrows on fire just in the slicing. A few pulses in the food processor seems to chop them appropriately fine, and the fact that the pieces aren't the same shape as when minced by hand doesn't seem to affect the taste. Cuisinarts Don't Cry. Art |
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No, no. I didn't mean the chopping tears; I mean the powerful taste of some
onions. Maybe it's just a local produce thing but the one I used yesterday was so loud I only used a teaspoon of it and it nearly overpowered the recipe underway. Polly |
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A Moose in Love wrote:
> > On May 3, 5:51 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote: > > My mom used to make bean soup and cornbread once in a while when I was a > > kid. It was always Navy bean soup. I liked it except that she put ham in > > it. I don't like ham and would have to pick out the chunks to eat it. I > > know some people think that adding a pork product to bean soup makes it > > taste better. I'm not one of them. Unless it is bean with bacon soup. I > > don't mind the bacon in there but you don't usually get big chunks of it. > > And I think adding too much fatty pork can sometimes make the soup too salty > > and greasy. > > > > Black bean would be my next favorite soup. There is a restaurant where I > > get it. It's very spicy and is a vegan soup. When I make it at home it is > > vegan except that I am the only one who likes it so I haven't made it in a > > long while. I tried the black bean at Panera bread and it was pretty lame. > > If I get it again I will have to add some heat to it. > > > > My daughter likes some soup imported from Italy. I like it too but it is > > very expensive, IMO at $5.99 for a jar with two small servings in it. It's > > called Beans Soup. It appears to have white kidney beans in it and some > > sort of tomato product. I would like to be able to find these beans in the > > dry form so I could make a big pot of it for cheap. I'm sure she would eat > > it every day. Must look next time we go to Whole Foods. I did find the > > small white beans. Those are what I use for baked beans. But I'm sure they > > will make a good soup too. > > You can throw in a smoked turkey drumstick instead of ham. I leave > the drumstick whole, and when the soup is finished, I throw it out. > I don't eat the turkey meat. I just doesn't appeal to me, although it > gives the soup a nice flavour. I do the same. Use the turkey drumstick for flavor but then filter it all out when you are done. Gary |
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John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 May 2012 07:52:36 -0500, "Polly Esther" > > wrote: > ... > >I need to know more about onions. Sometimes they are very mild. Sometimes > >they are so powerful they'll set your eyebrows on fire just in the slicing. > >Polly > > Only way I've found of preventing slicing onions from making my eyes > water, etc. is to have a fan blowing the fumes away from my face. My > kitchen has a big ceiling fan and I turn it on high speed blowing down > while I'm slicing onions and nary shed a tear! > > John Kuthe... I usually just blow on the onions when cutting them. Even a teary eye doesn't bother me that much. Gary |
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Polly Esther wrote:
> > No, no. I didn't mean the chopping tears; I mean the powerful taste of some > onions. Maybe it's just a local produce thing but the one I used yesterday > was so loud I only used a teaspoon of it and it nearly overpowered the > recipe underway. Polly I love onions so I normally use much more that a recipe will call for. If you don't like powerful onion taste, try Vadalia onions. Very mild. IMO, red onions and yellow are the stronger tasting ones. Gary |
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![]() "Storrmmee" > wrote in message ... > it might be cannoli, sp beans you are looking for. I never met a bean > soup i didn't like. I just made two pounds of navy beans, i put in about > 12 ounces of ham diced for the whole pot, plus a half a large onion, two > med sized carrots, basil, oregano and parsley flakes, thats it, dh had > about half the pot the first day and i froze the rest, he really enjoyed > it, too much onion for me though, Never too much onion for me! Heh,. |
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A Moose in Love wrote:
> On May 3, 5:51 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote: >> My mom used to make bean soup and cornbread once in a while when I >> was a kid. It was always Navy bean soup. I liked it except that she >> put ham in it. I don't like ham and would have to pick out the >> chunks to eat it. I know some people think that adding a pork >> product to bean soup makes it taste better. I'm not one of them. >> Unless it is bean with bacon soup. I don't mind the bacon in there >> but you don't usually get big chunks of it. And I think adding too >> much fatty pork can sometimes make the soup too salty and greasy. >> >> Black bean would be my next favorite soup. There is a restaurant >> where I get it. It's very spicy and is a vegan soup. When I make it >> at home it is vegan except that I am the only one who likes it so I >> haven't made it in a long while. I tried the black bean at Panera >> bread and it was pretty lame. If I get it again I will have to add >> some heat to it. >> >> My daughter likes some soup imported from Italy. I like it too but >> it is very expensive, IMO at $5.99 for a jar with two small servings >> in it. It's called Beans Soup. It appears to have white kidney beans >> in it and some sort of tomato product. I would like to be able to >> find these beans in the dry form so I could make a big pot of it for >> cheap. I'm sure she would eat it every day. Must look next time we >> go to Whole Foods. I did find the small white beans. Those are what >> I use for baked beans. But I'm sure they will make a good soup too. > > You can throw in a smoked turkey drumstick instead of ham. I leave > the drumstick whole, and when the soup is finished, I throw it out. > I don't eat the turkey meat. I just doesn't appeal to me, although it > gives the soup a nice flavour. That wouldn't work for me. I don't like turkey much but I have an extreme dislike for smoked foods. |
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Gary wrote:
> Polly Esther wrote: >> >> No, no. I didn't mean the chopping tears; I mean the powerful taste >> of some onions. Maybe it's just a local produce thing but the one I >> used yesterday was so loud I only used a teaspoon of it and it >> nearly overpowered the recipe underway. Polly > > I love onions so I normally use much more that a recipe will call > for. If you don't like powerful onion taste, try Vadalia onions. > Very mild. IMO, red onions and yellow are the stronger tasting ones. I tend to put more in too. |
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ImStillMags wrote:
> On May 3, 2:51 am, "Julie Bove" > wrote: > >> >> Black bean would be my next favorite soup. There is a restaurant >> where I get it. It's very spicy and is a vegan soup. When I make it >> at home it is vegan except that I am the only one who likes it so I >> haven't made it in a long while. I tried the black bean at Panera >> bread and it was pretty lame. If I get it again I will have to add >> some heat to it. > > > Here is the black bean soup I served. You can make it with chicken > stock or vegetable stock if you want it vegan. > It was very popular. > > http://hizzoners.com/recipes/soups/1...lack-bean-soup Thanks! |
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Ema Nymton wrote:
> My favorite bean soups, in this order, are pinto bean, black bean and > navy bean. > > Becca Thanks! |
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Ema Nymton wrote: >> >> My favorite bean soups, in this order, are pinto bean, black bean and >> navy bean. > > One of my favorites is dark red kidney bean... this reminds me of > school cafeteria lunch, very easy: > http://www.recipetips.com/recipe-car...pasta-soup.asp Ooooh yum! |
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Julie Bove wrote:
> My mom used to make bean soup and cornbread once in a while when I was a > kid. It was always Navy bean soup. I liked it except that she put ham in > it. I don't like ham and would have to pick out the chunks to eat it. I make beans now and then and think the taste of pork or bacon is great in there but can be too extreme at times. I want to say though that only once did I try to make garbonzo beans from scatch, and after 4 hours they were still hard as rocks. I tossed them out. Maybe they were old, I have no idea. Anyway, I love hummous which is made with garbonzos but have never liked garbonzos in salads or other things. I was turned off by it till one day I was with some friends down in St Augustine (a bit of a touristy spot), and they wanted to eat, but all I wanted was soup. I can't remember the name of the place, but I loved that soup. It had small bits of sausage in it, very thin, like pepperoni or something - and most importantly the beans were very soft. I asked if they were canned and they said they were made fresh. I should have asked them for the recipe. It was a nice thick soup and I admit now my love for it could have been influenced by the fact that I was not expecting anything great due past unpleasant garbonzo experiences - (the reason I love the blindfold test concept) - but I am not sure, I only know for a restaurant soup I really enjoyed the stuff even without a full list of what went into it, and have enough fond memories of the experience to put it on my list of alltime great bean soups. TJ |
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![]() "Tommy Joe" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove wrote: > >> My mom used to make bean soup and cornbread once in a while when I was a >> kid. It was always Navy bean soup. I liked it except that she put ham >> in >> it. I don't like ham and would have to pick out the chunks to eat it. > > > I make beans now and then and think the taste of pork or bacon > is great in there but can be too extreme at times. I want to say > though that only once did I try to make garbonzo beans from scatch, > and after 4 hours they were still hard as rocks. I tossed them out. > Maybe they were old, I have no idea. > > Anyway, I love hummous which is made with garbonzos but have > never liked garbonzos in salads or other things. I was turned off by > it till one day I was with some friends down in St Augustine (a bit of > a touristy spot), and they wanted to eat, but all I wanted was soup. > I can't remember the name of the place, but I loved that soup. It had > small bits of sausage in it, very thin, like pepperoni or something - > and most importantly the beans were very soft. I asked if they were > canned and they said they were made fresh. I should have asked them > for the recipe. It was a nice thick soup and I admit now my love for > it could have been influenced by the fact that I was not expecting > anything great due past unpleasant garbonzo experiences - (the reason > I love the blindfold test concept) - but I am not sure, I only know > for a restaurant soup I really enjoyed the stuff even without a full > list of what went into it, and have enough fond memories of the > experience to put it on my list of alltime great bean soups. I love hummus but garbanzo beans on salad just don't have a lot of flavor to me. I would never turn them down. Would just prefer kidney beans. I bought fresh garbanzos once. I tried to eat them raw. I didn't like them at all. Now sprouted garbanzos? I could eat them like popcorn! |
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first figure out what you like in the taste, the dh likes the strong large
ones as raw on a burger or grilled on a burger, I prefer the sweeter ones like walla walla or vadialia, and how i found out what they were called was as i ate them i asked at a resto or home what kind, then i also tried some, there as many kinds of onions as there are potatoes, Lee "Polly Esther" > wrote in message ... > > "Storrmmee" <> wrote> it might be cannoli, sp beans you are looking for. > I never met a bean soup >> i didn't like. I just made two pounds of navy beans, i put in about 12 >> ounces of ham diced for the whole pot, plus a half a large onion, two >> med sized carrots, basil, oregano and parsley flakes, thats it, dh had >> about half the pot the first day and i froze the rest, he really enjoyed >> it, too much onion for me though, >> >> Lee > I need to know more about onions. Sometimes they are very mild. Sometimes > they are so powerful they'll set your eyebrows on fire just in the > slicing. Polly |
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it isn't too much on the taste, but of late they have started bothering my
digestion, i am pretty sad about it too as i love them, Lees "Julie Bove" > wrote in message ... > > "Storrmmee" > wrote in message > ... >> it might be cannoli, sp beans you are looking for. I never met a bean >> soup i didn't like. I just made two pounds of navy beans, i put in about >> 12 ounces of ham diced for the whole pot, plus a half a large onion, two >> med sized carrots, basil, oregano and parsley flakes, thats it, dh had >> about half the pot the first day and i froze the rest, he really enjoyed >> it, too much onion for me though, > > Never too much onion for me! Heh,. > |
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My favorite is with smoked ribs & chunks from a slab of a well
smoke-cured bacon, always red kidney beans, all cooked with caramelized onion and sliced carrot. At the end add a tomato sauce, a bay leaf, and a roux with obligatory garlic and paprika in it, no exceptions. The roux always made with animal fat, preferably beef kidney suet. Simmer for another 15 minutes, and that's it ! |
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On May 4, 2:22*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
= > I love hummus but garbanzo beans on salad just don't have a lot of flavor to > me. * I would never turn them down. *Would just prefer kidney beans. > > I bought fresh garbanzos once. *I tried to eat them raw. *I didn't like them > at all. > > Now sprouted garbanzos? *I could eat them like popcorn! I love beans, but it's funny, if they're hard I not only don't like them, I detest them. I have never liked cold bean salads or garbonzo beans in salads. I like my beans about to fall apart with a very thick broth. I only tried making garbonzos fresh one time and I had that awful experience. It's a bean, no way it should be like a rock after 4 hours. I think they were old or something. So I had this feeling for some time that maybe garbonzos were different from other beans, tougher or something, and that they could not be cooked down as I like them - but my experience in that restaurant in St Augustine was a refreshing eye opener. They were very soft and swimming a nice yellow broth with rice and bits of sausage and other little veggies in there. I use canned garbonzos for hummous, when I make it. But usually I just get the whole foods brand, not a bad commercial hummus at all. Sometimes I'll get the $5 container. It used to have just an ingredient list of just beans, tahini, garlic, lemon, and salt. Now they've added olive oil and cumin and maybe on other thing and the stuff is more watery but still not bad. So last time, what I did was buy that $5 container of hummous along with a can of garbonzos which I rinsed multiple times and then put in a pot and heated them to soften them up further before putting them on a plate and mashing them with a fork and adding them to the whole foods hummous which made the mix much more the way I like it. TJ |
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Tommy Joe wrote:
>"Julie Bove" wrote: > >> I love hummus but garbanzo beans on salad just don't have a lot of flavor to >> me. * I would never turn them down. *Would just prefer kidney beans. >> >> I bought fresh garbanzos once. *I tried to eat them raw. *I didn't like them >> at all. >> >> Now sprouted garbanzos? *I could eat them like popcorn! > > I love beans, but it's funny, if they're hard I not only don't like >them, I detest them. I have never liked cold bean salads or garbonzo >beans in salads. I like my beans about to fall apart with a very >thick broth. I only tried making garbonzos fresh one time and I had >that awful experience. I bet you'll love these... be careful, they're highly adictive: http://low-cholesterol.food.com/reci...ickpeas-331939 |
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On May 4, 2:22*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> I love hummus but garbanzo beans on salad just don't have a lot of flavor to > me. * I would never turn them down. *Would just prefer kidney beans. > > I bought fresh garbanzos once. *I tried to eat them raw. *I didn't like them > at all. > > Now sprouted garbanzos? *I could eat them like popcorn! I think I like bean broth more than beans. I do like beans though, no doubt - but they have to be soft and about ready to fall apart. I can't stand beans in a cold salad. I think I'm going to go back to calling garbonzos what I grew up calling them - chick peas - because it's easier to type out. I'm a lazy *******. I'm a good typist - about 70 words a minute - but some words I can't deny make me pause as I'm otherwise rolling along. Lima beans are the only food I've ever encountered - so far - that actually make me want to puke. As a kid they were forced on me in an institution. It's not that they were forced that bugs me, it's the way they were cooked. They were steamed or boiled - the big white ones - huge - and really dry and hard and kind of mealy. Horrible things. But I make a lot of beans and can go for any kind except the lima - and I think the lima even cooked properly is a bit different in texture than other beans, although I can't say for sure because I haven't given them a chance in years. And won't, TJ |
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On May 4, 8:01*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> I bet you'll love these... be careful, they're highly adictive:http://low-cholesterol.food.com/reci...-beans-chickpe... I appreciate the link but it took me forever to get to that page - dial up service you know, on top of an old computer, and a cheap "God I wish I would die soon before all this crap I own dies first" mentality. I read the ingredients. I like spicy foods, eat a lot of them. But I've cooked chick peas that were already cooked, to soften them up some more, and they're never soft enough for me except for that time in that restaurant in St Augustine. I loved that soup. I will be honest here and let you know that I probably won't try the recipe because it requires oven use - roasting or whatever - and I'm living strictly top of the stove and microwave for now, although I will use the oven for a quick broil of something. Thanks for sending though, I appreciate it. By the way, my arab relatives always had candies around, and I remember hard chick peas that were sprinkled with something - not a candy actually, just a sort of nut treat - and they weren't bad - but out of the group of different snacks available they were one of my least favorites. The chick peas used as snacks were dried out and very light in weight and crunched easily in the mouth. I liked them, just didn't seek them out as one of my faves. TJ |
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Tommy Joe wrote:
> > I'm a good typist - about 70 words a minute - Really? That's like the ultimate secretary amount. I can do 35 per minute with very little mistakes. :-O |
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