I'm sure that there is the equivalent for pork and chicken, why no outrage?

But I'm glad the outrage worked. It's the best thing to happen to cattle
ranchers and it does show that the free market does indeed work

On May 17, 12:53*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> wrote:
> I'm sure that there is the equivalent for pork and chicken, why no outrage?

Who eats ground pork? And, unlike cattle, chickens do not contain any
mostly fatty lumps with a little meat inside.

Further, while ground pork is used in a variety of sausages, if pink
slime went only into hot dogs, who would know?

> But I'm glad the outrage worked. It's the best thing to happen to cattle
> ranchers and it does show that the free market does indeed work

It's going to go into dog food, that's for sure. Maybe end up being
fed to cattle or pigs. Just because something's not fit for human
consumption doesn't mean it will go to waste.

On May 17, 3:53*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> wrote:
> I'm sure that there is the equivalent for pork and chicken, why no outrage?
>
> But I'm glad the outrage worked. It's the best thing to happen to cattle
> ranchers and it does show that the free market does indeed work

there is no free market in beef
god you're naive
there is a tightly regulated market in the beef industry, along with
all other industries

On 2012-05-17 19:53:39 +0000, Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds said:

> I'm sure that there is the equivalent for pork and chicken, why no outrage?

Just bad marketing. Don't worry about pink slime, they'll be calling
it "pink slim" soon and it will be a marketing coup!

> But I'm glad the outrage worked. It's the best thing to happen to cattle
> ranchers and it does show that the free market does indeed work

I missed how exposing an industry's secrets demonstrated anything other
than the free market works secretively, no?

In article >,
A Moose in Love > wrote:

> On May 17, 3:53*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> > wrote:
> > I'm sure that there is the equivalent for pork and chicken, why no outrage?
> >
> > But I'm glad the outrage worked. It's the best thing to happen to cattle
> > ranchers and it does show that the free market does indeed work
>
> there is no free market in beef
> god you're naive
> there is a tightly regulated market in the beef industry, along with
> all other industries

and you can provide proof for your baseless and ignorant assertion?

On May 17, 3:29*pm, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
> On May 17, 12:53*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
>
> > wrote:
> > I'm sure that there is the equivalent for pork and chicken, why no outrage?
>
> Who eats ground pork? And, unlike cattle, chickens do not contain any
> mostly fatty lumps with a little meat inside.
>
> Further, while ground pork is used in a variety of sausages, if pink
> slime went only into hot dogs, who would know?

Beef bologna. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO5KoBHto80
>
> > But I'm glad the outrage worked. It's the best thing to happen to cattle
> > ranchers and it does show that the free market does indeed work
>
> It's going to go into dog food, that's for sure. Maybe end up being
> fed to cattle or pigs. Just because something's not fit for human
> consumption doesn't mean it will go to waste.

It was never unfit for human consumption. It just shouldn't have been
added to fresh ground beef.

--Bryan

On May 18, 5:26*am, Bryan > wrote:
> On May 17, 3:29*pm, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
>
> > On May 17, 12:53*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
>
> > > wrote:
> > > I'm sure that there is the equivalent for pork and chicken, why no outrage?
>
> > Who eats ground pork? And, unlike cattle, chickens do not contain any
> > mostly fatty lumps with a little meat inside.
>
> > Further, while ground pork is used in a variety of sausages, if pink
> > slime went only into hot dogs, who would know?
>
> Beef bologna. *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO5KoBHto80
>
>
>
> > > But I'm glad the outrage worked. It's the best thing to happen to cattle
> > > ranchers and it does show that the free market does indeed work
>
> > It's going to go into dog food, that's for sure. Maybe end up being
> > fed to cattle or pigs. Just because something's not fit for human
> > consumption doesn't mean it will go to waste.
>
> It was never unfit for human consumption. *It just shouldn't have been
> added to fresh ground beef.
>
I should have put that phrase in scare quotes then. If pink slime is
fit for human consumption, why all the uproar?

Why didn't they just take the trimmings and grind them in, instead of
ammoniating them and everything? They could have trimmed out some of
the other fat, pregrind.

On May 18, 1:56*am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> wrote:
> In article >,
> *A Moose in Love > wrote:
>
> > there is no free market in beef
> > god you're naive
> > there is a tightly regulated market in the beef industry, along with
> > all other industries
>
> and you can provide proof for your baseless and ignorant assertion?

of course i can provide evidence.
google is your friend
here is one site out of many that shows that your ignorance is
astounding
a free market is an unregulated market period
http://www.thebeefsite.com/articles/...gh-rcalfs-eyes
{
The State of the US Beef Industry Through R-CALF'S Eyes
The US cattle industry is contracting and its international market
competitiveness has been weakened. Producers and consumers suffer at
the hands of corporate industrialisation, but R-CALF USA believe it
has developed a plan that will turn this whole situation around - Adam
Anson reports for TheCattleSite.

In a presentation to the Honorable Kathleen Merrigan, Deputy
Secretary, United States Department of Agriculture, R-CALF USA CEO,
Bill Bullard, described the nation's beef sector as an industry in
immediate need of solutions.

“In order to preserve the viability of the hundreds of thousands of
remaining independent US cattle producers, USDA must first restore the
integrity of the US cattle industry by restoring the health of our
domestic cattle herd and the safety of the beef produced from our
cattle," he said.

He also spoke of the the competitiveness of the industry. Highlighting
the need for enforced antitrust laws, prohibition of anticompetitive
practices.
*
"Unless USDA makes the immediate fundamental changes that we are
requesting, our cattle industry will lose its critical mass"
R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard

Using statistics to describe the state of the current US cattle
industry, Bullard showed that 88 per cent of all fed cattle in the US
were slaughtered by only four beef packers. 2, 170 feedlots fed
approximately 90 per cent of all fed cattle in 2008, whilst the
remaining 80,000 farmer feeders fed only ten per cent.

In 2008, there were 956,500 remaining total cattle operations,
including 757,000 beef cattle operations, but US cattle operations
have been exiting the industry at a rate of 19,000 per year since
1996. In the same year corn overtook cattle to become the largest
segment of US agriculture

Bullard's presentation argued, "US cattle prices have been broken for
the past two decades." Using information collated by Dr. Robert
Taylor, Auburn University, he showed that cattle prices have fallen
consistently in the last twenty years, whilst retail beef prices have
increased over the same period.

According to a data attained by the USDA Economic Research Service, US
beef retail value has soared in this last twenty years, from just
under 250 cents per pound in 1989 to just under 450 cents by January
1989. This marks a 200 cent rise in retail beef value. Over the same
period the net farm value of cattle rose approximately 50 cents. In
the last 5 years these prices have held steady around the 2 dollar
mark - where they remain today.

According to R-CALF USA the result of these inadequate prices is a
shrinking industry. Using figures gathered by USDA NASS, the
presentation highlighted this fact by showing the decline in beef
operations from 1998 (97,000) to 2008 (757,000). The US herd size has
also shrunk over this period, but the numbers fluctuate much more
severely. Still, the figures show a general trend of decline, falling
to a low point in 2009 at roughly 95 million head of cattle. Over the
last ten years the amount of beef produced from US cattle has remained
stagnant between 24 and 25 billion pounds.
Feeder Returns vs Choice Beef Prices

These trends have resulted in long-term, increasing losses for cattle
feeders, exceeding $300 a head. Fed cattle have made a profit only
four times out of the last 30 months, peaking at approximately $4.00
per cwt. Between Oct 2008 and January 2009 each month saw losses at
over $22.00 per cwt. According to Bullard, losses to cattle feeders
equate to higher beef packer margins and now consumers are also paying
record prices for beef, peaking in August 2008 at over $4.50 per
pound.

The long run value deficit in cattle and beef trade has exacerbated
broken market problems, explained Bullard. The export value of US beef
has been less than the import value since 1998. In 2004, due to BSE
contamination of US beef stock, export figures fell away. Whilst they
have recovered in each following year since, they are still well below
import value at approximately $2.8 billion - compared to approximately
$4.4 billion.

Cattle and beef imports are capturing domestic beef supply says
Bullard. In 2007, 17 per cent of all available beef was imported.
According to R-CALF USA there has been a historic underproduction of
domestic beef in recent years. The increased number of cattle imports
coincides with a long running price depression.

He made another stand against US import policies by claiming that they
have the weakest standards against the introduction of mad cow disease
by comparison with all the main globally trading companies.
Traceability has been touted as key for producers to benefit from
international sales and market expansion, but Bullard claims that
packers, USDA and ear tag companies are forcing international trade
compliance costs on all U.S. producers.

It is Bullard's belief that the U.S. cattle industry is on the same
path toward corporate industrialisation that devastated the
independent structure of the hog and dairy industries, turning them
into highly concentrated and highly vulnerable corporate production
systems.

In response to these trends R-Calf asked Agriculture Secretary Vilsack
to take three initial actions to halt the ongoing contraction of the
U.S. cattle industry:

Restore previously weakened U.S. disease protections by reversing
the over-30-month (OTM) rule.

End the anticompetitive marketing practices of concentrated
packers by initiating a rulemaking to end captive supply use.

Restore APHIS’mission to prevent –rather than manage –foreign
animal diseases by ceasing all agency efforts to implement the
National Animal Identification System (NAIS).

"Unless USDA makes the immediate fundamental changes that we are
requesting, our cattle industry will lose its critical mass as has
already happened in the U.S. dairy industry where 80 percent of U.S.
dairy farms that were in operation in 1980 have exited the industry,
leaving only 67,000 dairies in the entire U.S. in 2009,” said Bullard.

R-CALF USA say that after the industry’s "misguided trajectory" is
stopped, it must then be "realigned", which will require a host of
additional solutions. R-CALF USA say they have a comprehensive
blueprint containing solutions designed to overcome the myriad of
challenges the industry will face during its realignment phase.
}

Malcom wrote:

> > there is a tightly regulated market in the beef industry, along with
> > all other industries
>
> and you can provide proof for your baseless and ignorant assertion?

Maybe it's different up there in the Great White North. Then again,
Mr. Moose prays for "anarchy", so he might label the merest
infringement of government inspectors as the stomping of Big Brother's
hobnailed boots.

In article >,
A Moose in Love > wrote:

> here is one site out of many that shows that your ignorance is
> astounding
> a free market is an unregulated market period

and absolutely nothing in that article points to the lack of a free market.
ranchers are still free to sell their cattle to whoever they wish, heck they are
even free to slaughter the beef themselves and sell it direct...guess what, more
and more of them are doing just that.