"merryb" > wrote in message
...
On May 18, 8:31 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "gtr" > wrote in
> messagenews:2012051815304848696-xxx@yyyzzz...
> > On 2012-05-18 20:12:49 +0000, Gary said:
>
> >> Strongly disagree. It's not a hygiene thing.
>
> > Before you say that you should consdier the hygience of those who think
> > it
> > is the main problem. You may be appalled and want to reconfigure your
> > thinking.
>
> Um... No. Don't forget...my husband is in the military. He does white
> glove inspections.

Are you kidding?

Does it sound like I am kidding?

On 2012-05-20 06:37:57 +0000, Julie Bove said:

>>> Um... No. Don't forget...my husband is in the military. He does white
>>> glove inspections.
>>
>> Are you kidding?
>
> Does it sound like I am kidding?

No, you sound deadly serious. Exactly what does he use those gloves to
inspect? And how often?

"gtr" > wrote in message news:2012051923503285818-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2012-05-20 06:37:57 +0000, Julie Bove said:
>
>>>> Um... No. Don't forget...my husband is in the military. He does white
>>>> glove inspections.
>>>
>>> Are you kidding?
>>
>> Does it sound like I am kidding?
>
> No, you sound deadly serious. Exactly what does he use those gloves to
> inspect? And how often?

Well seeing as how he doesn't live here now, not at all now. But he has
done so in the past. Not that I feel that I have to pass it mind you.

On Sat, 19 May 2012 23:50:32 -0700, gtr > wrote:

>On 2012-05-20 06:37:57 +0000, Julie Bove said:
>
>>>> Um... No. Don't forget...my husband is in the military. He does white
>>>> glove inspections.
>>>
>>> Are you kidding?
>>
>> Does it sound like I am kidding?
>
>No, you sound deadly serious. Exactly what does he use those gloves to
>inspect?

Probably everything.

In article >, says...
>
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> .com...
> > On 5/18/2012 5:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >> If that's the case then it wasn't*MY* poor hygeine seeing as how I had
> >> to
> >> throw out THREE packages of bread that were never opened.
> >
> > Why would you have three packages of bread if you only like it fresh?
>
> OMFG! I didn't buy three packages at once. And it wasn't even three
> packages. But I had to throw out three whole packages.
>
> I think the first two I bought went moldy when there was one slice left in
> the package. 5 slices are in a package.

You said, above; "they were NEVER OPENED".


>I decided to buy TWO packages at once. I was
> about to open one to make a hummus wrap when I noticed that all of the
> pieces of bread in the unopened package were moldy. Very moldy. So I
> looked at the second package and it was all moldy too.

But you said, above. "the firt two went mouldy when there was one slice
left in the package".

So, which is the lie?

>
> So... I bought another package and it too went moldy before it was even
> opened

LOL. But the first two had been opened, remember? Try not to contradict
your own story in the very same post.

Janet.

On Sat, 19 May 2012 16:34:38 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 5/18/2012 1:15 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>> gtr wrote:
>>
>>> "The way" of bread is to buy it fresh and eat it, citing the way folks
>>> make a daily run for tortillas in Mexico, French bread in France or
>>> Vietnam and sangak or barbari in Iran (or in Irvine/Yorba Linda!).
>>>
>>> Her point is well made: There is fresh bread and then there is everything else.
>>
>> I often freeze bread. Then it has to be toasted, but that's not a
>> drawback for me.
>>
>
>I use mostly rye bread for sandwiches and I find that just thawing it is
>fine for me, though I will sometimes toast it. There are even times
>I'll make a sandwich for work with frozen bread and it's thawed by lunch
>time and none the worse for wear.

I've very rarely had bread go moldy, doesn't lay around long enough...
I keep a couple loaves in the freezer and the one I'm working on in
the fridge. About the only baked goods that will sometimes develop
mold are the expired packages I buy at discount to feed critters,
sometimes I buy a whole lot so when I notice mold it all goes out at
once, critters don't mind a tiny bit of mold. Yesterday I tossed out
a package of three remaining corn muffins that were so awful I
wouldn't eat them, they were hiding in the back of my fridge and not
moldy but hard as rocks, geese consumed every speck in minutes.

On 5/20/2012 2:50 AM, gtr wrote:
> On 2012-05-20 06:37:57 +0000, Julie Bove said:
>
>>>> Um... No. Don't forget...my husband is in the military. He does white
>>>> glove inspections.
>>>
>>> Are you kidding?
>>
>> Does it sound like I am kidding?
>
> No, you sound deadly serious. Exactly what does he use those gloves to
> inspect? And how often?
>
I'm willing to bet there are thousands upon thousands of military
personnel who don't do white glove inspections at home.

I laugh at the thought that my father would have done that. Comical.

nancy

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "gtr" > wrote in message news:2012051923503285818-xxx@yyyzzz...
> > On 2012-05-20 06:37:57 +0000, Julie Bove said:
> >
> >>>> Um... No. Don't forget...my husband is in the military. He does white
> >>>> glove inspections.
> >>>
> >>> Are you kidding?
> >>
> >> Does it sound like I am kidding?
> >
> > No, you sound deadly serious. Exactly what does he use those gloves to
> > inspect? And how often?
>
> Well seeing as how he doesn't live here now, not at all now. But he has
> done so in the past. Not that I feel that I have to pass it mind you.

Wow Julie! >:-[]

This bothers me. If your husband has actually done a "white glove
inspection" on you at your home...he sounds like a tyrant and bordering on
mental/emotional abuse

<disclaimer> I'm not picking on you here. I'm on your side. What I write is
what I would write to my daughter if her husband did that.

I understand that the military is very anal about inspections but he needs
to leave that crap at the base and not take it home to you.

Next time he does a "white glove inspection" and is not happy with the
results, you tell him where he can stick his white gloves. Then hand him a
pair of rubber gloves, some kind of cleaner, and a toothbrush and tell him
to fix the problem that he has.

At least make him clean the bathroom...he's the only one peeing in there
standing up and splattering urine all around the toilet.

You throw his white gloves into the cat litter box. The cat won't have any
problem pooping on them.

Gary

On 2012-05-20 07:57:33 +0000, Julie Bove said:

> "gtr" > wrote in message news:2012051923503285818-xxx@yyyzzz...
>> On 2012-05-20 06:37:57 +0000, Julie Bove said:
>>
>>>>> Um... No. Don't forget...my husband is in the military. He does white
>>>>> glove inspections.
>>>>
>>>> Are you kidding?
>>>
>>> Does it sound like I am kidding?
>>
>> No, you sound deadly serious. Exactly what does he use those gloves to
>> inspect? And how often?
>
> Well seeing as how he doesn't live here now, not at all now. But he
> has done so in the past. Not that I feel that I have to pass it mind
> you.

Well better a white glove inspection that a surgical glove inspection I
suppose.

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> .com...
>> > On 5/18/2012 5:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> >> If that's the case then it wasn't*MY* poor hygeine seeing as how I
>> >> had
>> >> to
>> >> throw out THREE packages of bread that were never opened.
>> >
>> > Why would you have three packages of bread if you only like it fresh?
>>
>> OMFG! I didn't buy three packages at once. And it wasn't even three
>> packages. But I had to throw out three whole packages.
>>
>> I think the first two I bought went moldy when there was one slice left
>> in
>> the package. 5 slices are in a package.
>
> You said, above; "they were NEVER OPENED".
>

I said I had to throw out three packages that were never opened. I did
throw out more bread than those three packages.
>
> >I decided to buy TWO packages at once. I was
>> about to open one to make a hummus wrap when I noticed that all of the
>> pieces of bread in the unopened package were moldy. Very moldy. So I
>> looked at the second package and it was all moldy too.
>
> But you said, above. "the firt two went mouldy when there was one slice
> left in the package".

Right. I see that you have a reading comprehension problem. I have
susected that for a while now. The three unopened packages were not the
first of the bread that I threw oujt.
>
> So, which is the lie?

There is no lie. You are apparently just...well...stupid!
>
>>
>> So... I bought another package and it too went moldy before it was even
>> opened
>
> LOL. But the first two had been opened, remember? Try not to contradict
> your own story in the very same post.

Again... You are not smart!

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "gtr" > wrote in message
>> news:2012051923503285818-xxx@yyyzzz...
>> > On 2012-05-20 06:37:57 +0000, Julie Bove said:
>> >
>> >>>> Um... No. Don't forget...my husband is in the military. He does
>> >>>> white
>> >>>> glove inspections.
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you kidding?
>> >>
>> >> Does it sound like I am kidding?
>> >
>> > No, you sound deadly serious. Exactly what does he use those gloves to
>> > inspect? And how often?
>>
>> Well seeing as how he doesn't live here now, not at all now. But he has
>> done so in the past. Not that I feel that I have to pass it mind you.
>
> Wow Julie! >:-[]
>
> This bothers me. If your husband has actually done a "white glove
> inspection" on you at your home...he sounds like a tyrant and bordering on
> mental/emotional abuse
>
> <disclaimer> I'm not picking on you here. I'm on your side. What I write
> is
> what I would write to my daughter if her husband did that.
>
> I understand that the military is very anal about inspections but he needs
> to leave that crap at the base and not take it home to you.

Yep. He also expects me to treat the kitchen like they do in the military
which is to go in every so often throughout the day and wipe every surface
down. I have explained that we do not have countless people running in and
out of there and if we aren't currently using it there is no need for that.

>
> Next time he does a "white glove inspection" and is not happy with the
> results, you tell him where he can stick his white gloves. Then hand him
> a
> pair of rubber gloves, some kind of cleaner, and a toothbrush and tell him
> to fix the problem that he has.

I just ignore him.
>
> At least make him clean the bathroom...he's the only one peeing in there
> standing up and splattering urine all around the toilet.
>
> You throw his white gloves into the cat litter box. The cat won't have
> any
> problem pooping on them.

Heh.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 13:38:46 +0100, Janet wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>>> .com...
>>>> On 5/18/2012 5:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If that's the case then it wasn't*MY* poor hygeine seeing as how I
>>>>> had
>>>>> to
>>>>> throw out THREE packages of bread that were never opened.
>>>>
>>>> Why would you have three packages of bread if you only like it fresh?
>>>
>>> OMFG! I didn't buy three packages at once. And it wasn't even three
>>> packages. But I had to throw out three whole packages.
>>>
>>> I think the first two I bought went moldy when there was one slice left
>>> in
>>> the package. 5 slices are in a package.
>>
>> You said, above; "they were NEVER OPENED".
>>
>> >I decided to buy TWO packages at once. I was
>>> about to open one to make a hummus wrap when I noticed that all of the
>>> pieces of bread in the unopened package were moldy. Very moldy. So I
>>> looked at the second package and it was all moldy too.
>>
>> But you said, above. "the firt two went mouldy when there was one slice
>> left in the package".
>>
>> So, which is the lie?
>>
>>>
>>> So... I bought another package and it too went moldy before it was even
>>> opened
>>
>> LOL. But the first two had been opened, remember? Try not to contradict
>> your own story in the very same post.
>
> I've caught a couple more inconsistencies as well, but I gave up.
> This is just too much PITA drama for me.

That's because nobody seems to have bothered to read the whole thing. I
don't know how much total bread I threw out. I do remember two packages
with a single piece left in it and three whole packages. There may have
been more. At this point it really doesn't matter. I still don't know what
was causing the mold. Maybe I never will.

On 5/20/2012 10:33 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 13:38:46 +0100, Janet wrote:
>>
>>> In >, says...
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in message
>>>> .com...
>>>>> On 5/18/2012 5:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If that's the case then it wasn't*MY* poor hygeine seeing as how I
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> throw out THREE packages of bread that were never opened.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you have three packages of bread if you only like it fresh?
>>>>
>>>> OMFG! I didn't buy three packages at once. And it wasn't even three
>>>> packages. But I had to throw out three whole packages.
>>>>
>>>> I think the first two I bought went moldy when there was one slice left
>>>> in
>>>> the package. 5 slices are in a package.
>>>
>>> You said, above; "they were NEVER OPENED".
>>>
>>> >I decided to buy TWO packages at once. I was
>>>> about to open one to make a hummus wrap when I noticed that all of the
>>>> pieces of bread in the unopened package were moldy. Very moldy. So I
>>>> looked at the second package and it was all moldy too.
>>>
>>> But you said, above. "the firt two went mouldy when there was one slice
>>> left in the package".
>>>
>>> So, which is the lie?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So... I bought another package and it too went moldy before it was even
>>>> opened
>>>
>>> LOL. But the first two had been opened, remember? Try not to contradict
>>> your own story in the very same post.
>>
>> I've caught a couple more inconsistencies as well, but I gave up.
>> This is just too much PITA drama for me.
>
> That's because nobody seems to have bothered to read the whole thing. I
> don't know how much total bread I threw out. I do remember two packages
> with a single piece left in it and three whole packages. There may have
> been more. At this point it really doesn't matter. I still don't know what
> was causing the mold. Maybe I never will.
>
>
Julie, mold happens. I'd suggest looking at the bread before you buy it
if it's moldy before you even open it. Doesn't it have any clear parts
in the bag that you can look through? Most bread does.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
.com...
>> That's because nobody seems to have bothered to read the whole thing. I
>> don't know how much total bread I threw out. I do remember two packages
>> with a single piece left in it and three whole packages. There may have
>> been more. At this point it really doesn't matter. I still don't know
>> what
>> was causing the mold. Maybe I never will.
>>
>>
> Julie, mold happens. I'd suggest looking at the bread before you buy it
> if it's moldy before you even open it. Doesn't it have any clear parts in
> the bag that you can look through? Most bread does.

It looks find when I buy it. I have looked. It's just odd to me that
*that* bread is getting moldy when the other bread I have in the house is
not. Today I had a few slices of honey whole wheat left that expired
yesterday. No mold that I could see. Of course from what I have read
online, you won't see the mold when it first starts. And once you do see
it, it has really invaded the product.

On May 18, 7:45*pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:
> Nancy2 > wrote:
> >On May 18, 11:32 am, gtr > wrote:
> >> Relating this discussion to my food-preservationist wife she offers her
> >> opinions on every facet. Living in palm desert she says it doesn't
> >> make any difference what you do with bread it dries out be the time you
> >> finish eating your sandwich. Other physics screw you in the humidity
> >> of Costa Rica.
>
> >> "The way" of bread is to buy it fresh and eat it, citing the way folks
> >> make a daily run for tortillas in Mexico, French bread in France or
> >> Vietnam and sangak or barbari in Iran (or in Irvine/Yorba Linda!).
>
> >> Her point is well made: There is fresh bread and then there is
> >everything else.
>
> >But her point is not well made here in the US, where the corner
> >market, bodega, or mom-n-pop store has long been missing from most
> >residential areas. *It is not practical for many of us to go the store
> >multiple times a week when we have to drive there.
>
> How unusual then that I have have a bakery three minutes walk away
> from my house, another one 0.8 miles away.
>
> That's not counting Mexican bakeries which are all over the place.
>
> Conversely, one could live in the middle of nowhere in France and
> not be near a bakery. * So I think it's more of an urban vs. rural
> thing, then it is a deficiency of the U.S. (although there is also
> some of that going on).
>
> Steve

You must live in an urban area, not suburban.

N.

On 5/21/2012 8:12 AM, barbie gee wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 20 May 2012, Cheryl wrote:


>> Julie, mold happens. I'd suggest looking at the bread before you buy
>> it if it's moldy before you even open it. Doesn't it have any clear
>> parts in the bag that you can look through? Most bread does.
>>
>
> exaclty, but generally, the spores are just sitting there, not in full
> bloom, at the store, or they get in when you open the bag the first time.
>
I agree with all you wrote and especially below but she said the bags
were never opened by her and they were moldy so I'd suspect they were
already showing mold before buying them or else she's not telling us
everything, and they must have sat around in her kitchen on the counter
for days before even opening to find mold.

> mold spores are everywhere, all the time, unless you live in a sterile
> bubble. Bread is especially susceptible. This is why they started
> putting all kinds of preservatives in bread, to help it store longer.
> For breads with no preservatives, the only solution is to eat it fast,
> or store it in the fridge or freezer. The cold keeps mold spores from
> germinating. Molds like warm and damp.
>
> If you never had much biology in school, you probably never had to do
> the experiment where you open up a petri dish, and just let it sit in
> the open air for some minutes, then cover it up and see what grows. It's
> almost always mold of some sort. And, if your science history was good,
> you'd remember how penicillin was discovered, because someone (Fleming)
> observed what the ubiquitous bread mold had done to some petri plates
> where he was trying to grow some bacteria.
>
> and finally, a smidge probably won't hurt you. If I am hungry and my
> last two pieces of bread have a spot of mold starting on the crust, I'll
> cut it off, toast the bread and have my breakfast, and I'm still here to
> tell about it.
>
>
I'm not completely against that but I just can't do it.