NOTE: My Correct Address is in my signature (just remove the spaces).
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:35:46 -0500, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> wrote:

>
>May you make the right decision, someday, Barry :-)
>
May you learn to stop cross-posting, someday.

--
Davida Chazan (The Chocolate Lady)
<davidac AT jdc DOT org DOT il>
~*~*~*~*~*~
"What you see before you, my friend, is the result of a lifetime of
chocolate."
--Katharine Hepburn (May 12, 1907 - June 29, 2003)
~*~*~*~*~*~

NOTE: My Correct Address is in my signature (just remove the spaces).
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:35:46 -0500, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> wrote:

>
>May you make the right decision, someday, Barry :-)
>
May you learn to stop cross-posting, someday.

--
Davida Chazan (The Chocolate Lady)
<davidac AT jdc DOT org DOT il>
~*~*~*~*~*~
"What you see before you, my friend, is the result of a lifetime of
chocolate."
--Katharine Hepburn (May 12, 1907 - June 29, 2003)
~*~*~*~*~*~

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in rec.food.cooking

> GaryG wrote:
>
>> "George" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > >> Well Barry your contribution was outstanding. Last
>> > >> few days there has been absolutley no medical
>> > >> discussion whatsoever.
>> > >
>> > Certainly not from you :-)
>> > >
>> >
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> >
>> > Well there is next to nothing medical from you either.
>> > Considering that you were once a practicing doctor, and
>> > given the fact that you post hundreds if not thoussands
>> > of times a week here, if someone were to get some
>> > stastics on the percentage of your posts that have
>> > medical content vs those that don't, I would bet the
>> > split would be something like 5-95 (med content vs no
>> > med content),
>> >
>> > Tell me what legitimate "real" doctor would act the way
>> > you do.
>> >
>> > Why not just leave us alone?
>>
>> Andrew is mentally incapable of just leaving us alone.
>> Some have speculated as to the reasons for this (e.g,
>> http://tinyurl.com/3wn97 ).
>>
>
> Would suggest you stick with writing weight-loss software.
>
> Sorry your occupation is threatened by extinction as the
> 2PD Approach is becoming widely accepted:
>
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
>
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp
>
>>
>> Whatever the reasons, he has shown repeatedly that he does
>> not care what anyone else thinks of his behavior, and that
>> he actually enjoys it when people get irritated with him.
>
> I wouldn't say I enjoy your being irritated by my being
> openly Christian. However, it does help me be certain that
> you need my prayers.
>
>> The best thing is to ignore and/or killfile
>> him (unfortunately, he makes this difficult by changing
>> his email address from time to time to circumvent
>> filtering of his obsessive nonsense).
>>
>
> (Try being truthful. This would help bolster your
> credibility. Actually, there is not much you can do that
> would lower it)
>
>>
>> GG
>
> Simply consider the following decision tree:
>
> (1) Accept Christ.
> Risk: Nothing.
>
> Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life,
> unimaginable riches in God's eternal kingdom.
>
> (2) Reject Christ.
> Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your
> soul by satan.
>
> Benefits: Nothing.
>
>
> One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob,
> Frank, Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ
> have not thought out your decision *logically*.
>
> May you make the right decision, someday, Gary.
>
> You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in
> Christ's name.
>
> May He bless you on this Lord's day.
>
>
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
> Andrew

GET A LIFE

--
BigDog,
To E-mail me, you know what to do.

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in rec.food.cooking

> GaryG wrote:
>
>> "George" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > >> Well Barry your contribution was outstanding. Last
>> > >> few days there has been absolutley no medical
>> > >> discussion whatsoever.
>> > >
>> > Certainly not from you :-)
>> > >
>> >
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> >
>> > Well there is next to nothing medical from you either.
>> > Considering that you were once a practicing doctor, and
>> > given the fact that you post hundreds if not thoussands
>> > of times a week here, if someone were to get some
>> > stastics on the percentage of your posts that have
>> > medical content vs those that don't, I would bet the
>> > split would be something like 5-95 (med content vs no
>> > med content),
>> >
>> > Tell me what legitimate "real" doctor would act the way
>> > you do.
>> >
>> > Why not just leave us alone?
>>
>> Andrew is mentally incapable of just leaving us alone.
>> Some have speculated as to the reasons for this (e.g,
>> http://tinyurl.com/3wn97 ).
>>
>
> Would suggest you stick with writing weight-loss software.
>
> Sorry your occupation is threatened by extinction as the
> 2PD Approach is becoming widely accepted:
>
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
>
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/press.asp
>
>>
>> Whatever the reasons, he has shown repeatedly that he does
>> not care what anyone else thinks of his behavior, and that
>> he actually enjoys it when people get irritated with him.
>
> I wouldn't say I enjoy your being irritated by my being
> openly Christian. However, it does help me be certain that
> you need my prayers.
>
>> The best thing is to ignore and/or killfile
>> him (unfortunately, he makes this difficult by changing
>> his email address from time to time to circumvent
>> filtering of his obsessive nonsense).
>>
>
> (Try being truthful. This would help bolster your
> credibility. Actually, there is not much you can do that
> would lower it)
>
>>
>> GG
>
> Simply consider the following decision tree:
>
> (1) Accept Christ.
> Risk: Nothing.
>
> Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life,
> unimaginable riches in God's eternal kingdom.
>
> (2) Reject Christ.
> Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your
> soul by satan.
>
> Benefits: Nothing.
>
>
> One has to conclude that those (ie you, Carey, George, Bob,
> Frank, Hawki, Steve, Don et al) who would reject Christ
> have not thought out your decision *logically*.
>
> May you make the right decision, someday, Gary.
>
> You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in
> Christ's name.
>
> May He bless you on this Lord's day.
>
>
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
> Andrew

GET A LIFE

--
BigDog,
To E-mail me, you know what to do.

<snip>
>> >
>>
>> Yes there is; This IS Absolute SPAM-you have been reported.
>
> How is this SPAM? By all means, report me. If anyone is spamming it's
> the religious nuts here.
>
>
This is a cooking newsgroup.

<snip>
>> >
>>
>> Yes there is; This IS Absolute SPAM-you have been reported.
>
> How is this SPAM? By all means, report me. If anyone is spamming it's
> the religious nuts here.
>
>
This is a cooking newsgroup.

"Kswck" > wrote in news:UzIid.27895$fF6.7674328
@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:

>
> <snip>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Yes there is; This IS Absolute SPAM-you have been reported.
>>
>> How is this SPAM? By all means, report me. If anyone is spamming it's
>> the religious nuts here.
>>
>>
> This is a cooking newsgroup.

Obviously, a LOT of people haven't noticed.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

"Kswck" > wrote in news:UzIid.27895$fF6.7674328
@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:

>
> <snip>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Yes there is; This IS Absolute SPAM-you have been reported.
>>
>> How is this SPAM? By all means, report me. If anyone is spamming it's
>> the religious nuts here.
>>
>>
> This is a cooking newsgroup.

Obviously, a LOT of people haven't noticed.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

*If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.
*A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

On 5 Nov 2004 19:01:44 -0800, (Carol T)
Screamed something into the void that sounded like:

>"menu boy" > wrote in message news:<iRzid.284$iZ2.279@trndny08>...
>
>
>> > To know what makes The Lord angry is to know His Word, that He is His
>> > Word and through His Word and Holy Sprit others will come to recognise
>> > Him in you.
>>
>> I didn't say I *know*. I said "may". There are no absolutes.
>
>There are absolutes in knowing what others know of His Word. It's like
>a surgeon delving into someone's body to have an in-depth look. He
>will instinctively know someone who has never picked up a scalpel.
>
>It's OK, Christ doesn't mind. (now how did I know that )
>
>Read 'The Great Book' it gets you there quicker.
>
>Christ is the light and way to your salvation, and through Him you
>will come to *know* God's temperament.
>
>
>In Christ's love
>Carol T


you are arguing with andrew chung's sock puppet as if you are talking
to someone real and sane.

On 5 Nov 2004 19:01:44 -0800, (Carol T)
Screamed something into the void that sounded like:

>"menu boy" > wrote in message news:<iRzid.284$iZ2.279@trndny08>...
>
>
>> > To know what makes The Lord angry is to know His Word, that He is His
>> > Word and through His Word and Holy Sprit others will come to recognise
>> > Him in you.
>>
>> I didn't say I *know*. I said "may". There are no absolutes.
>
>There are absolutes in knowing what others know of His Word. It's like
>a surgeon delving into someone's body to have an in-depth look. He
>will instinctively know someone who has never picked up a scalpel.
>
>It's OK, Christ doesn't mind. (now how did I know that )
>
>Read 'The Great Book' it gets you there quicker.
>
>Christ is the light and way to your salvation, and through Him you
>will come to *know* God's temperament.
>
>
>In Christ's love
>Carol T


you are arguing with andrew chung's sock puppet as if you are talking
to someone real and sane.

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:06:11 GMT, "menu boy"
> Screamed something into the void that
sounded like:


>>
>Does a deaf person know their mother's voice? No. See? No
>absolutes. I didn't think I'd have to explain myself to an
>educated man.
>


David Koresh an dJim Jones were educated.

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:06:11 GMT, "menu boy"
> Screamed something into the void that
sounded like:


>>
>Does a deaf person know their mother's voice? No. See? No
>absolutes. I didn't think I'd have to explain myself to an
>educated man.
>


David Koresh an dJim Jones were educated.

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:01:00 -0800, lgo > Screamed
something into the void that sounded like:

>menu boy wrote:
>
>> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > wrote in message
>>
>>>Simply consider the following decision tree:
>>>
>>>(1) Accept Christ.
>>>Risk: Nothing.
>>>
>>>Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches in God's
>>>eternal kingdom.
>>>
>>>(2) Reject Christ.
>>>Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by satan.
>>>
>>>Benefits: Nothing.
>>
>>
>> What about all the risks you're taking by not accepting non-Christian
>> beliefs?
>>
>>
>Hey guys, what does all this have to do with cooking?


it has nothing to do with cooking or any other newsgroup it is being
cross posted too. it's a troll post from the chung troll.



Chung, A B
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Mableton, GA 30126-5715
(404) 699-2780


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---------------------------------
| The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
| Version 1.0, January, 2004 |
---------------------------------

Introduction
------------
New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled
and troubled by the controversy surrounding the poster who posts as
Dr.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to know what the
controversy is about. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) attempts
to provide an answer.

The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions
and
answers. For those who don¹t wish to read the whole FAQ, the
following
summary is provided.

Summary
-------
Dr. Chung represents himself to be a licensed physician specializing
in
cardiology. In this capacity he responds to medical questions on
s.m.c.. If that were all he did, there would probably be no
controversy.

The controversy arises from Dr. Chung¹s other behaviors on s.m.c., in
particular:

o He uses s.m.c. to not only proselytize his particular
interpretation
of Christianity, but also to disparage and attack anyone with a
different interpretation or different religion.

o He uses s.m.c. to promote his unscientific Two Pound Diet (2PD)
and,
in fact, cross posts this information to other groups in order to
gain more exposure.

o When challenged on the above issues, or one of his medical
opinions,
he attacks his challengers as "obsessive anti-Christians",
"libelers", "homosexuals", "people who can¹t understand English",
etc.

o When challenged he performs Internet searches on his challengers in
order to "get the dirt" on them and smear their reputations.

o When challenged, he answers with evasions, non sequiturs,
dissembling, rhetorical questions, quotes from the bible, religious
mantras, thinly veiled death threats, ad hominem arguments, and
other
such disreputable, unethical, and unprofessional tactics.

o He is insufferably full of himself, claiming to have "the gift of
Truth Discernment" and to be "Humble" while behaving anything but
humbly.

o He uses a foil who posts under variations of the name "Mu" to avoid
killfiles. Mu¹s job is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets
a reaction, to cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung
can disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
Whereas Dr. Chung has to be somewhat careful what he says and so
attacks primarily through insinuation and innuendo, Mu¹s tactics
are blunt and direct like those of a playground bully.

The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung¹s egregious behavior
on s.m.c.. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be
verified
in the Google archives.

The issue then arises: so what? As long as Dr. Chung provides free
medical advice on s.m.c., who cares what else he does?

Many people provide free medical advice on the internet. How does
one
know whether it is good advice or bad advice? If the person giving
the
advice is, or represents himself to be, a doctor shouldn¹t that be
enough? Unfortunately, no.

Medical education alone is not enough to guarantee good advice.
Knowledge must be tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity,
ethics, and professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by
their behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence
should
be given to their medical advice?

People arrive in this group looking for help. For their own
protection, they deserve to know the quality of the person purporting
to dispense that help and not be lulled into a false sense of
security
simply because someone displays an MD after their name. It is the
intention of this FAQ to provide people with enough information to
allow them to make an informed decision.

List of Questions Answered
-----

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:01:00 -0800, lgo > Screamed
something into the void that sounded like:

>menu boy wrote:
>
>> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > wrote in message
>>
>>>Simply consider the following decision tree:
>>>
>>>(1) Accept Christ.
>>>Risk: Nothing.
>>>
>>>Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches in God's
>>>eternal kingdom.
>>>
>>>(2) Reject Christ.
>>>Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by satan.
>>>
>>>Benefits: Nothing.
>>
>>
>> What about all the risks you're taking by not accepting non-Christian
>> beliefs?
>>
>>
>Hey guys, what does all this have to do with cooking?


it has nothing to do with cooking or any other newsgroup it is being
cross posted too. it's a troll post from the chung troll.



Chung, A B
6041 Colt Ridge Trl SE
Mableton, GA 30126-5715
(404) 699-2780


Domain Name: HEARTMDPHD.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Name Server: NS3.SOFTCOMCA.COM
Name Server: NS4.SOFTCOMCA.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 18-nov-2003
Creation Date: 01-jan-2001
Expiration Date: 01-jan-2011


---------------------------------
| The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
| Version 1.0, January, 2004 |
---------------------------------

Introduction
------------
New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled
and troubled by the controversy surrounding the poster who posts as
Dr.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to know what the
controversy is about. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) attempts
to provide an answer.

The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions
and
answers. For those who don¹t wish to read the whole FAQ, the
following
summary is provided.

Summary
-------
Dr. Chung represents himself to be a licensed physician specializing
in
cardiology. In this capacity he responds to medical questions on
s.m.c.. If that were all he did, there would probably be no
controversy.

The controversy arises from Dr. Chung¹s other behaviors on s.m.c., in
particular:

o He uses s.m.c. to not only proselytize his particular
interpretation
of Christianity, but also to disparage and attack anyone with a
different interpretation or different religion.

o He uses s.m.c. to promote his unscientific Two Pound Diet (2PD)
and,
in fact, cross posts this information to other groups in order to
gain more exposure.

o When challenged on the above issues, or one of his medical
opinions,
he attacks his challengers as "obsessive anti-Christians",
"libelers", "homosexuals", "people who can¹t understand English",
etc.

o When challenged he performs Internet searches on his challengers in
order to "get the dirt" on them and smear their reputations.

o When challenged, he answers with evasions, non sequiturs,
dissembling, rhetorical questions, quotes from the bible, religious
mantras, thinly veiled death threats, ad hominem arguments, and
other
such disreputable, unethical, and unprofessional tactics.

o He is insufferably full of himself, claiming to have "the gift of
Truth Discernment" and to be "Humble" while behaving anything but
humbly.

o He uses a foil who posts under variations of the name "Mu" to avoid
killfiles. Mu¹s job is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets
a reaction, to cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung
can disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
Whereas Dr. Chung has to be somewhat careful what he says and so
attacks primarily through insinuation and innuendo, Mu¹s tactics
are blunt and direct like those of a playground bully.

The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung¹s egregious behavior
on s.m.c.. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be
verified
in the Google archives.

The issue then arises: so what? As long as Dr. Chung provides free
medical advice on s.m.c., who cares what else he does?

Many people provide free medical advice on the internet. How does
one
know whether it is good advice or bad advice? If the person giving
the
advice is, or represents himself to be, a doctor shouldn¹t that be
enough? Unfortunately, no.

Medical education alone is not enough to guarantee good advice.
Knowledge must be tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity,
ethics, and professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by
their behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence
should
be given to their medical advice?

People arrive in this group looking for help. For their own
protection, they deserve to know the quality of the person purporting
to dispense that help and not be lulled into a false sense of
security
simply because someone displays an MD after their name. It is the
intention of this FAQ to provide people with enough information to
allow them to make an informed decision.

List of Questions Answered
-----

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:01:00 -0800, lgo > Screamed
something into the void that sounded like:

>menu boy wrote:
>
>> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > wrote in message
>>
>>>Simply consider the following decision tree:
>>>
>>>(1) Accept Christ.
>>>Risk: Nothing.
>>>
>>>Benefits: Salvation, purposeful life, eternal life, unimaginable riches in God's
>>>eternal kingdom.
>>>
>>>(2) Reject Christ.
>>>Risk: Eternal separation from God. Eternal torment of your soul by satan.
>>>
>>>Benefits: Nothing.
>>
>>
>> What about all the risks you're taking by not accepting non-Christian
>> beliefs?
>>
>>
>Hey guys, what does all this have to do with cooking?


it has nothing to do with cooking or any other newsgroup it is being
cross posted too. it's a troll post from the chung troll.



Chung, A B
6041 Colt Ridge Trl SE
Mableton, GA 30126-5715
(404) 699-2780


Domain Name: HEARTMDPHD.COM
Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Whois Server: whois.opensrs.net
Referral URL: http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Name Server: NS3.SOFTCOMCA.COM
Name Server: NS4.SOFTCOMCA.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 18-nov-2003
Creation Date: 01-jan-2001
Expiration Date: 01-jan-2011


---------------------------------
| The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
| Version 1.0, January, 2004 |
---------------------------------

Introduction
------------
New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled
and troubled by the controversy surrounding the poster who posts as
Dr.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to know what the
controversy is about. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) attempts
to provide an answer.

The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions
and
answers. For those who don¹t wish to read the whole FAQ, the
following
summary is provided.

Summary
-------
Dr. Chung represents himself to be a licensed physician specializing
in
cardiology. In this capacity he responds to medical questions on
s.m.c.. If that were all he did, there would probably be no
controversy.

The controversy arises from Dr. Chung¹s other behaviors on s.m.c., in
particular:

o He uses s.m.c. to not only proselytize his particular
interpretation
of Christianity, but also to disparage and attack anyone with a
different interpretation or different religion.

o He uses s.m.c. to promote his unscientific Two Pound Diet (2PD)
and,
in fact, cross posts this information to other groups in order to
gain more exposure.

o When challenged on the above issues, or one of his medical
opinions,
he attacks his challengers as "obsessive anti-Christians",
"libelers", "homosexuals", "people who can¹t understand English",
etc.

o When challenged he performs Internet searches on his challengers in
order to "get the dirt" on them and smear their reputations.

o When challenged, he answers with evasions, non sequiturs,
dissembling, rhetorical questions, quotes from the bible, religious
mantras, thinly veiled death threats, ad hominem arguments, and
other
such disreputable, unethical, and unprofessional tactics.

o He is insufferably full of himself, claiming to have "the gift of
Truth Discernment" and to be "Humble" while behaving anything but
humbly.

o He uses a foil who posts under variations of the name "Mu" to avoid
killfiles. Mu¹s job is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets
a reaction, to cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung
can disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
Whereas Dr. Chung has to be somewhat careful what he says and so
attacks primarily through insinuation and innuendo, Mu¹s tactics
are blunt and direct like those of a playground bully.

The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung¹s egregious behavior
on s.m.c.. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be
verified
in the Google archives.

The issue then arises: so what? As long as Dr. Chung provides free
medical advice on s.m.c., who cares what else he does?

Many people provide free medical advice on the internet. How does
one
know whether it is good advice or bad advice? If the person giving
the
advice is, or represents himself to be, a doctor shouldn¹t that be
enough? Unfortunately, no.

Medical education alone is not enough to guarantee good advice.
Knowledge must be tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity,
ethics, and professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by
their behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence
should
be given to their medical advice?

People arrive in this group looking for help. For their own
protection, they deserve to know the quality of the person purporting
to dispense that help and not be lulled into a false sense of
security
simply because someone displays an MD after their name. It is the
intention of this FAQ to provide people with enough information to
allow them to make an informed decision.

List of Questions Answered
-----