On Jun 15, 11:07*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> > On Jun 14, 10:20 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> somebody wrote:
> >>> On Jun 14, 2:09 pm, sf > wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT), somebody
>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 14, 11:19 am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
> >>>>>> somebody wrote:
> >>>>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
> >>>>>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that
> >>>>>>> way I could eat more. I usually get the thick crust but after
> >>>>>>> 3 slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot
> >>>>>>> of carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.
>
> >>>>>>> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said
> >>>>>>> she's been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I
> >>>>>>> work has the best.
>
> >>>>>> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.
>
> >>>>>> -S-
>
> >>>>> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
> >>>>> thick-- basically yeast content?
>
> >>>> Where do you work? Gluten free pizza crust can be many things, but
> >>>> they're mainly not very good.
>
> >>> Domino's but hopefully something better will come along. For now,
> >>> it's something!
>
> >> Ew, ew, ew. Domino's has got to be the *worst* pizza out there and
> >> they can't even claim their GF pizza to be truly GF because they
> >> don't keep it free of cross contamination.
>
> > They don't claim it to be gluten free. *It clearly states only the
> > crust is, and mentions that ingredients may not be gluten free.
> > Though I can see how that could confuse people, and what's the point.
> > But for legal reasons I suppose they say that. *It's not for people
> > extremely sensitive to gluten only those mildly.
>
> That makes no sense at all. *My daughter was sensetive to gluten. *Any
> amount of cross contamination would leave her doubled over in main. *Nobody
> is mildy sensetive. *You either are, or you aren't. *I only ate the GF crust
> from Garlic Jim's because I knew it contained no egg and I knew that it was
> cheaper for me to just share a pizza with her than to get my own. *I would
> never eat that by choice because it just isn't that good.

Write to Mr Domino and tell him he's an idiot. I don't know why he
sells them. They only come in one size 10". There are people that
buy them though.

On Jun 15, 8:29*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> > On Jun 14, 10:21 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> somebody wrote:
> >>> On Jun 14, 6:02 pm, Gary > wrote:
> >>>> somebody wrote:
>
> >>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
> >>>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way
> >>>>> I could eat more. I usually get the thick crust but after 3
> >>>>> slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
> >>>>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.
>
> >>>> With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
> >>>> but you have no idea if it was the carbs.
>
> >>>> Carbs give you quick energy.
> >>>> Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
> >>>> High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to
> >>>> digest. Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you sleepy.
>
> >>>> You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin
> >>>> crust.
>
> >>>> I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't
> >>>> and I don't either.
>
> >>>> Gary
>
> >>>> PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins but
> >>>> I'm so tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." Carbs are NOT
> >>>> evil...that's what your body needs for fuel.
>
> >>>> And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases like
> >>>> diabetics.
>
> >>> actually I agree with you. And I used to be something of an athlete
> >>> or tried to be. Rode my bike 30 miles then played doubles volleyball
> >>> for a few hours on weekends. Not real high level, but above
> >>> average... I don't believe carbs are evil at all. But they
> >>> definitely effect me. It's not the fat. Actually I am vegetarian so
> >>> not a lot of fat, though not vegan so do eat cheese which has fat.
> >>> But I notice with things like spaghetti, peanut butter on whole
> >>> wheat bread, fig newton, mushroom soup with egg noodles that I have
> >>> a definite let down after 20-30 minutes. If I am active, not really
> >>> so much but if I'm watching TV or trying to read a book, or sitting
> >>> at work-- I have a hard time staying awake after eating even a
> >>> moderate amount of carbs for lunch. I generally don't eat much
> >>> carbs at lunch because I don't like how it effects me. Which is
> >>> hard for me, because I really like to eat!
>
> >> If carbs are affecting you that much you could have reactive
> >> hypoglycemia or diabetes.
>
> > I've noticed the effect pretty much all my adult life. *Also, msg
> > effects me that way too, like in canned mushroom soup... *I've been to
> > a couple doctors over the years and they said I don't have symptoms
> > for diabetes. *I will have to look up reactive hypoglycemia.
>
> Diabetes isn't diagnosed by symptoms.

Really now...how is it diagnosed?
LOL!

somebody wrote:
> On Jun 15, 11:29 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> somebody wrote:
>>> On Jun 14, 10:21 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>> somebody wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 14, 6:02 pm, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>> somebody wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
>>>>>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that
>>>>>>> way I could eat more. I usually get the thick crust but
>>>>>>> after 3 slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat
>>>>>>> a lot of carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes
>>>>>>> later.
>>
>>>>>> With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
>>>>>> but you have no idea if it was the carbs.
>>
>>>>>> Carbs give you quick energy.
>>>>>> Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
>>>>>> High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to
>>>>>> digest. Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you
>>>>>> sleepy.
>>
>>>>>> You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin
>>>>>> crust.
>>
>>>>>> I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't
>>>>>> and I don't either.
>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>
>>>>>> PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins
>>>>>> but I'm so tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." Carbs are NOT
>>>>>> evil...that's what your body needs for fuel.
>>
>>>>>> And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases
>>>>>> like diabetics.
>>
>>>>> actually I agree with you. And I used to be something of an
>>>>> athlete or tried to be. Rode my bike 30 miles then played doubles
>>>>> volleyball for a few hours on weekends. Not real high level, but
>>>>> above average... I don't believe carbs are evil at all. But they
>>>>> definitely effect me. It's not the fat. Actually I am vegetarian
>>>>> so not a lot of fat, though not vegan so do eat cheese which has
>>>>> fat. But I notice with things like spaghetti, peanut butter on
>>>>> whole wheat bread, fig newton, mushroom soup with egg noodles
>>>>> that I have a definite let down after 20-30 minutes. If I am
>>>>> active, not really so much but if I'm watching TV or trying to
>>>>> read a book, or sitting at work-- I have a hard time staying
>>>>> awake after eating even a moderate amount of carbs for lunch. I
>>>>> generally don't eat much carbs at lunch because I don't like how
>>>>> it effects me. Which is hard for me, because I really like to eat!
>>
>>>> If carbs are affecting you that much you could have reactive
>>>> hypoglycemia or diabetes.
>>
>>> I've noticed the effect pretty much all my adult life. Also, msg
>>> effects me that way too, like in canned mushroom soup... I've been
>>> to a couple doctors over the years and they said I don't have
>>> symptoms for diabetes. I will have to look up reactive hypoglycemia.
>>
>> Diabetes isn't diagnosed by symptoms.
>
> How is it diagnosed then? If you say by testing, then should everyone
> be tested?

Yes, and they are once they reach a certain age. How old are you? I
believe 40 is the age where they routinely test. But if there is a family
history, the person might be tested early, particulary if they are
overweight.

There are various tests that can be done. One is a random finger stick. If
the number is high enough it could warrant further testing. One is a
fasting finger stick. I managed to pass this one time and time again even
though I was actually a diabetic. It's just that I was unwittingly
controlling by diet. Another is the OGTT or oral glucose tolerance test.
You will be asked to drink a sickly sweet drink then sit quietly for many
hours. They will draw blood from a vein every hour or so. This is the same
test they would do for reactive hypoglycemia which is thought to be a
precursor to diabetes. I had it myself for most of my life. The final test
would be the HbA1c. This test can not diagnose if it is in normal range.
But if it is high then it can be used for diagosis. My diagnosis came about
after a fasting test at the hospital followed by the HbA1c at my
Endocrinologist's office. Mine was 10.0.

somebody wrote:
> On Jun 15, 11:07 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> somebody wrote:
>>> On Jun 14, 10:20 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>> somebody wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 14, 2:09 pm, sf > wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT), somebody
>>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 11:19 am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>>>>>>>> somebody wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got
>>>>>>>>> one last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though
>>>>>>>>> that way I could eat more. I usually get the thick crust
>>>>>>>>> but after 3 slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If
>>>>>>>>> I eat a lot of carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30
>>>>>>>>> minutes later.
>>
>>>>>>>>> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said
>>>>>>>>> she's been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I
>>>>>>>>> work has the best.
>>
>>>>>>>> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.
>>
>>>>>>>> -S-
>>
>>>>>>> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
>>>>>>> thick-- basically yeast content?
>>
>>>>>> Where do you work? Gluten free pizza crust can be many things,
>>>>>> but they're mainly not very good.
>>
>>>>> Domino's but hopefully something better will come along. For now,
>>>>> it's something!
>>
>>>> Ew, ew, ew. Domino's has got to be the *worst* pizza out there and
>>>> they can't even claim their GF pizza to be truly GF because they
>>>> don't keep it free of cross contamination.
>>
>>> They don't claim it to be gluten free. It clearly states only the
>>> crust is, and mentions that ingredients may not be gluten free.
>>> Though I can see how that could confuse people, and what's the
>>> point. But for legal reasons I suppose they say that. It's not for
>>> people extremely sensitive to gluten only those mildly.
>>
>> That makes no sense at all. My daughter was sensetive to gluten. Any
>> amount of cross contamination would leave her doubled over in main.
>> Nobody is mildy sensetive. You either are, or you aren't. I only ate
>> the GF crust from Garlic Jim's because I knew it contained no egg
>> and I knew that it was cheaper for me to just share a pizza with her
>> than to get my own. I would never eat that by choice because it just
>> isn't that good.
>
> Write to Mr Domino and tell him he's an idiot. I don't know why he
> sells them. They only come in one size 10". There are people that
> buy them though.

We no longer need GF so I won't bother. But I know countless people who
have already written.

On Jun 16, 12:31*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> > On Jun 15, 11:29 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> somebody wrote:
> >>> On Jun 14, 10:21 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >>>> somebody wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 14, 6:02 pm, Gary > wrote:
> >>>>>> somebody wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
> >>>>>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that
> >>>>>>> way I could eat more. I usually get the thick crust but
> >>>>>>> after 3 slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat
> >>>>>>> a lot of carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes
> >>>>>>> later.
>
> >>>>>> With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
> >>>>>> but you have no idea if it was the carbs.
>
> >>>>>> Carbs give you quick energy.
> >>>>>> Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
> >>>>>> High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to
> >>>>>> digest. Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you
> >>>>>> sleepy.
>
> >>>>>> You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin
> >>>>>> crust.
>
> >>>>>> I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't
> >>>>>> and I don't either.
>
> >>>>>> Gary
>
> >>>>>> PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins
> >>>>>> but I'm so tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." Carbs are NOT
> >>>>>> evil...that's what your body needs for fuel.
>
> >>>>>> And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases
> >>>>>> like diabetics.
>
> >>>>> actually I agree with you. And I used to be something of an
> >>>>> athlete or tried to be. Rode my bike 30 miles then played doubles
> >>>>> volleyball for a few hours on weekends. Not real high level, but
> >>>>> above average... I don't believe carbs are evil at all. But they
> >>>>> definitely effect me. It's not the fat. Actually I am vegetarian
> >>>>> so not a lot of fat, though not vegan so do eat cheese which has
> >>>>> fat. But I notice with things like spaghetti, peanut butter on
> >>>>> whole wheat bread, fig newton, mushroom soup with egg noodles
> >>>>> that I have a definite let down after 20-30 minutes. If I am
> >>>>> active, not really so much but if I'm watching TV or trying to
> >>>>> read a book, or sitting at work-- I have a hard time staying
> >>>>> awake after eating even a moderate amount of carbs for lunch. I
> >>>>> generally don't eat much carbs at lunch because I don't like how
> >>>>> it effects me. Which is hard for me, because I really like to eat!
>
> >>>> If carbs are affecting you that much you could have reactive
> >>>> hypoglycemia or diabetes.
>
> >>> I've noticed the effect pretty much all my adult life. Also, msg
> >>> effects me that way too, like in canned mushroom soup... I've been
> >>> to a couple doctors over the years and they said I don't have
> >>> symptoms for diabetes. I will have to look up reactive hypoglycemia.
>
> >> Diabetes isn't diagnosed by symptoms.
>
> > How is it diagnosed then? *If you say by testing, then should everyone
> > be tested?
>
> Yes, and they are once they reach a certain age. *How old are you? *I
> believe 40 is the age where they routinely test. *But if there is a family
> history, the person might be tested early, particulary if they are
> overweight.
>
> There are various tests that can be done. *One is a random finger stick.. *If
> the number is high enough it could warrant further testing. *One is a
> fasting finger stick. *I managed to pass this one time and time again even
> though I was actually a diabetic. *It's just that I was unwittingly
> controlling by diet. *Another is the OGTT or oral glucose tolerance test.

In article <104b3e23-8333-4b94-a422-90ac3d5a6f14
@j10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, says...

> I'm 49. I talked to a doctor about 8-9 years ago, and then one about
> 6-7 years ago and both said I didn't need the test.

Well, that's a long time ago. Too long to assume it still holds good.
Preliminary basic tests are so simple it makes sense to ask to be
checked now; mentioning your thirst and numb feet.

Janet

On Jun 16, 5:34*am, Janet > wrote:
> In article <104b3e23-8333-4b94-a422-90ac3d5a6f14
> @j10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, says...
>
> > I'm 49. *I talked to a doctor about 8-9 years ago, and then one about
> > 6-7 years ago and both said I didn't need the test.
>
> *Well, that's a long time ago. Too long to assume it still holds good.
> * Preliminary basic tests are so simple it makes sense to ask to be
> checked now; mentioning your thirst and numb feet.
>
> * *Janet

Odd neither doctor wanted to do the test. This site says anyone over
45 should be tested, and sooner if any symptoms-- though many people
have it that don't have symptoms.
http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/#test
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-bas...faqs.html#QA-4

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:43:06 -0700 (PDT), somebody
> wrote:



>>
>> Diabetes isn't diagnosed by symptoms.
>
>How is it diagnosed then? If you say by testing, then should everyone
>be tested?

My doctor does the blood test for it every year. Symptoms many not
show for years with type II.

I don't know the criteria for testing though but weight, age, family
history are at least a part of it.

somebody wrote:
> On Jun 16, 5:34 am, Janet > wrote:
>> In article <104b3e23-8333-4b94-a422-90ac3d5a6f14
>> @j10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, says...
>>
>>> I'm 49. I talked to a doctor about 8-9 years ago, and then one about
>>> 6-7 years ago and both said I didn't need the test.
>>
>> Well, that's a long time ago. Too long to assume it still holds good.
>> Preliminary basic tests are so simple it makes sense to ask to be
>> checked now; mentioning your thirst and numb feet.
>>
>> Janet
>
> Odd neither doctor wanted to do the test. This site says anyone over
> 45 should be tested, and sooner if any symptoms-- though many people
> have it that don't have symptoms.
> http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/diagnosis/#test
> http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-bas...faqs.html#QA-4

Not odd at all. They don't want to do the test because they don't want to
deal with diabetes. Had I been diagnosed in a timely fashion, I might not
have the complications I have now.

On 6/16/2012 1:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> Not odd at all. They don't want to do the test because they don't want to
> deal with diabetes. Had I been diagnosed in a timely fashion, I might not
> have the complications I have now.

It is a doctors job to deal with illness. Do you really blame your
doctor for not testing you? Really?

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
.com...
> On 6/16/2012 1:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Not odd at all. They don't want to do the test because they don't want
>> to
>> deal with diabetes. Had I been diagnosed in a timely fashion, I might
>> not
>> have the complications I have now.
>
> It is a doctors job to deal with illness. Do you really blame your doctor
> for not testing you? Really?

He did test me. But he gave me the wrong test. This was verified by my
Endo. You apparently don't know many diabetics. The average type 2 goes 10
years before they are diagnosed. Often it is a complication that leads to
our diagnosis.

Just like the Drs. kept saying that my daughter didn't have blood sugar
issues. She did! Verified by our current Endo. She produces waaaay too
much insulin. Her pediatrician would have let her go until she had super
high blood sugar. This Dr. nipped things in the bud. I can already tell
that the treatment is working. The darkened skin caused by excess insulin
is gone.

I have T2 diabetes and am overweight. An hour BEFORE lunchtime I feel
great-high energy. I crash every afternoon an hour AFTER my high carb
lunch-I can't keep my eyelids open and I can literally yawn 10 times in
5 minutes.

Oddly enough, I then stuff a supposedly sugar-free stick of gum in my
mouth and 1minute later all signs of the crash disappear.

My mother on the other hand is hypoglycemic and she is skinny. An hour
BEFORE lunch she gets irritable hyperactive and shaky-if food is delayed
she can literally go into a fugue state. An hour AFTER lunch she is
ready to climb mountains. She was advised and does eat multiple times
thruout the day to avoid her lows.

Very odd to have an 80yr old mother who can run rings around you :-)

I recognize that healthy/young people do not need to watch carbs, but it
is the carbs that cause me to crash and Mom to soar.

I still love and eat carbs, but I do remember CRAVING them before my
diabetes "began" and I don't crave them now-I actually crave fats.

Mom seems to CRAVE carbs-she doesn't eat any fat.

z z wrote:
>
> I have T2 diabetes and am overweight. An hour BEFORE lunchtime I feel
> great-high energy. I crash every afternoon an hour AFTER my high carb
> lunch-I can't keep my eyelids open and I can literally yawn 10 times in
> 5 minutes.
>
> Oddly enough, I then stuff a supposedly sugar-free stick of gum in my
> mouth and 1minute later all signs of the crash disappear.

It would be a very good idea for you to gradually taper down your total
carbs.

> My mother on the other hand is hypoglycemic and she is skinny. An hour
> BEFORE lunch she gets irritable hyperactive and shaky-if food is delayed
> she can literally go into a fugue state. An hour AFTER lunch she is
> ready to climb mountains. She was advised and does eat multiple times
> thruout the day to avoid her lows.

Same for her for much the same reason in spite of the different
situation.

> I recognize that healthy/young people do not need to watch carbs ...

Given the rate of diabetes I think this is wrong. Diabetes is a roken
ability to deal with dietary carbs. Eating a high carb diet can't help.
Eating a low carb diet might help prevent for numerous people.