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somebody[_2_] 14-06-2012 03:22 PM

thin crust pizza
 
Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said she's
been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
best.


Steve Freides[_2_] 14-06-2012 04:19 PM

thin crust pizza
 
somebody wrote:
> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
> night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
> eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
> carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
> general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.
>
> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said she's
> been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
> best.


Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.

-S-



somebody[_2_] 14-06-2012 05:46 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 14, 11:19*am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> > Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
> > night. *It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
> > eat more. :) * I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
> > carbs make me sleepy. *Very sleepy. *If I eat a lot of carbs in
> > general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
> > I think I will try the gluten free crust. *Lady last night said she's
> > been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
> > best.

>
> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.
>
> -S-


I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
thick-- basically yeast content?


sf[_9_] 14-06-2012 07:09 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT), somebody
> wrote:

> On Jun 14, 11:19*am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
> > somebody wrote:
> > > Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
> > > night. *It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
> > > eat more. :) * I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
> > > carbs make me sleepy. *Very sleepy. *If I eat a lot of carbs in
> > > general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

> >
> > > I think I will try the gluten free crust. *Lady last night said she's
> > > been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
> > > best.

> >
> > Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.
> >
> > -S-

>
> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
> thick-- basically yeast content?


Where do you work? Gluten free pizza crust can be many things, but
they're mainly not very good.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Julie Bove[_2_] 14-06-2012 10:03 PM

thin crust pizza
 

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> somebody wrote:
>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
>> night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
>> eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
>> carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
>> general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.
>>
>> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said she's
>> been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
>> best.

>
> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.


In fact it's usually higher in carbs.



Julie Bove[_2_] 14-06-2012 10:04 PM

thin crust pizza
 
somebody wrote:
> On Jun 14, 11:19 am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>> somebody wrote:
>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way
>>> I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3
>>> slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
>>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>>
>>> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said she's
>>> been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
>>> best.

>>
>> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.
>>
>> -S-

>
> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
> thick-- basically yeast content?


Nope. Usually rice flour so more carbs.



Julie Bove[_2_] 14-06-2012 10:04 PM

thin crust pizza
 
sf wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT), somebody
> > wrote:
>
>> On Jun 14, 11:19 am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>>> somebody wrote:
>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
>>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way
>>>> I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3
>>>> slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
>>>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.
>>>
>>>> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said
>>>> she's been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work
>>>> has the best.
>>>
>>> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.
>>>
>>> -S-

>>
>> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
>> thick-- basically yeast content?

>
> Where do you work? Gluten free pizza crust can be many things, but
> they're mainly not very good.


Garlic Jim's is good.



sf[_9_] 14-06-2012 10:49 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:03:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
> ...
> > somebody wrote:
> >> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
> >> night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
> >> eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
> >> carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
> >> general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.
> >>
> >> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said she's
> >> been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
> >> best.

> >
> > Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.

>
> In fact it's usually higher in carbs.
>

Unless it's made of mashed cauliflower.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

ImStillMags 14-06-2012 10:55 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 14, 7:22*am, somebody > wrote:
> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
> night. *It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
> eat more. :) * I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
> carbs make me sleepy. *Very sleepy. *If I eat a lot of carbs in
> general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.
>
> I think I will try the gluten free crust. *Lady last night said she's
> been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
> best.


There is a regional chain here called Papa Murphy's Take and Bake
Pizza. You walk in, select your pizza by crust type and ingredients,
they make it and wrap it and you take it home and bake it. It comes
on a special baking tray that can go in the oven.
They also have a foil tray for grilling your pizza and special summer
grilling pizzas. They also give you instructions for pizza stones,
convection ovens, etc.

They have the best pizza around, IMHO. My favorite is the
Medeterrainean Herb Chicken de Lite pizza.

http://www.papamurphys.com/OurMenu/Overview

http://www.papamurphys.com/PressRoom

Gary 14-06-2012 11:02 PM

thin crust pizza
 
somebody wrote:
>
> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
> night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
> eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
> carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
> general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.


With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
but you have no idea if it was the carbs.

Carbs give you quick energy.
Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to digest.
Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you sleepy.

You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin crust.

I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't and I don't
either.

Gary

PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins but I'm so
tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." Carbs are NOT evil...that's what
your body needs for fuel.

And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases like
diabetics.

Doug Freyburger 14-06-2012 11:20 PM

thin crust pizza
 
somebody wrote:
> "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>> somebody wrote:

>
>> > Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
>> > night. *It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
>> > eat more. :) * I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
>> > carbs make me sleepy. *Very sleepy. *If I eat a lot of carbs in
>> > general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
>> > I think I will try the gluten free crust. *Lady last night said she's
>> > been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
>> > best.

>
>> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.

>
> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
> thick-- basically yeast content?


I've never seen a thick crust gluten free pizza. True thin crust
pizzas with wafer thin cracker crispy crust is rare enough that I've
never seen one of those either. I've seen regualr crust pizzas made
with alternate grains and most people refer to that thickness as thin.

A regular crust pizza will have a lot less carbs than a thick crust
pizza. Since all of the pizzas that I've seen using gluten free grains
has been regular crust pizzas they are much lower in carbs than the same
diameter thivk crust.

Comparing regular thickness pizza with wheat against regular thickness
pizza with alternate grains there is little difference in carb count.

There is one way to reduce the carb count while going gluten free.
Completely grain free even. Lou Malnattis is a small chain in Chicago
metro that has a couple dozen locations. They do a "no dough" pizza
where they press sauage into a sheet and then build a pizza on it.
Wonderful for those of us who are wheat intolerant or gluten intolerant.
Also wonderful for low carbers. Not carb free as it comes with tomatos
and other ingredients that are not high carb. But it is low carb as
long as you keep the list of other ingredients short. I get small no
dough pepperoni and black olives. The tomato is mostly low carb. The
olives are very low carb.

Steve Freides[_2_] 15-06-2012 12:18 AM

thin crust pizza
 
Andy wrote:
> somebody > wrote:
>
>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
>> night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I
>> could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3
>> slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
>
> I switched to thin crust a few years ago.
>
> There's only one pizza parlor in town that makes good thin crust pies.
>
> Years ago someone here recommended Trader Joe's brand frozen pizza
> Margherita which I like the most. All natural ingredients. Cooks in 12
> minutes (or my desired doneness). Slices doesn't droop, it's not
> soaking in grease and the ingredients (for a no topping pizza) are in
> perfect balance, imho. Imported from Italy. I don't know if it's
> machine made but the quality control hasn't waivered in all this
> time, which I can't say for the pizza from town.
>
> Andy


Try baking your TJ's frozen pizza on a higher temperature and for a
shorter time, e.g., if it calls for 350 or 375 and 12 minutes, try 425
for 8-10 minutes and see what you think. To date, every frozen pizza
except those with really thick crust comes out better for me this way.

-S-



Steve Freides[_2_] 15-06-2012 12:21 AM

thin crust pizza
 
somebody wrote:
> On Jun 14, 11:19 am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>> somebody wrote:
>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way
>>> I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3
>>> slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
>>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>>
>>> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said she's
>>> been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
>>> best.

>>
>> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.
>>
>> -S-

>
> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
> thick-- basically yeast content?


There is no way to know short of a nutritiional label or at least an
ingredients list. Gluten free eliminates several things but there are
still many, many possibilities, and as more and more people switch to a
gluten-free diet, I'm sure that everything will continue to change.
E.g., we had some TJ's gluten-free cookies that were made with sorghum
flour, an usual ingredient here that will probably become less so over
time.

-S-



Julie Bove[_2_] 15-06-2012 01:15 AM

thin crust pizza
 

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:03:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > somebody wrote:
>> >> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
>> >> night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
>> >> eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
>> >> carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
>> >> general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.
>> >>
>> >> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said she's
>> >> been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
>> >> best.
>> >
>> > Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.

>>
>> In fact it's usually higher in carbs.
>>

> Unless it's made of mashed cauliflower.


Um... Ew.



Julie Bove[_2_] 15-06-2012 01:18 AM

thin crust pizza
 

"Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
...
> somebody wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>>> somebody wrote:

>>
>>> > Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
>>> > night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
>>> > eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
>>> > carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
>>> > general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>>
>>> > I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said she's
>>> > been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
>>> > best.

>>
>>> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.

>>
>> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
>> thick-- basically yeast content?

>
> I've never seen a thick crust gluten free pizza. True thin crust
> pizzas with wafer thin cracker crispy crust is rare enough that I've
> never seen one of those either. I've seen regualr crust pizzas made
> with alternate grains and most people refer to that thickness as thin.


I have made it using Foccaccia. It's really good. But... If you buy a
crust or a pizza it's always thin.
>
> A regular crust pizza will have a lot less carbs than a thick crust
> pizza. Since all of the pizzas that I've seen using gluten free grains
> has been regular crust pizzas they are much lower in carbs than the same
> diameter thivk crust.
>
> Comparing regular thickness pizza with wheat against regular thickness
> pizza with alternate grains there is little difference in carb count.
>
> There is one way to reduce the carb count while going gluten free.
> Completely grain free even. Lou Malnattis is a small chain in Chicago
> metro that has a couple dozen locations. They do a "no dough" pizza
> where they press sauage into a sheet and then build a pizza on it.
> Wonderful for those of us who are wheat intolerant or gluten intolerant.
> Also wonderful for low carbers. Not carb free as it comes with tomatos
> and other ingredients that are not high carb. But it is low carb as
> long as you keep the list of other ingredients short. I get small no
> dough pepperoni and black olives. The tomato is mostly low carb. The
> olives are very low carb.


I used to take an individual casserole and put a can of chopped Italian
style tomatoes in it. Then top with cheese and nuke. Tasted just like
pizza but with a lot less carbs.



Gary 15-06-2012 01:26 AM

thin crust pizza
 
Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I used to take an individual casserole and put a can of chopped Italian
> style tomatoes in it. Then top with cheese and nuke. Tasted just like
> pizza but with a lot less carbs.


Anyone remember JOLT cola? "All the caffeine and twice the sugar" ;)

somebody[_2_] 15-06-2012 02:11 AM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 14, 2:09*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT), somebody
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Jun 14, 11:19*am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
> > > somebody wrote:
> > > > Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
> > > > night. *It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
> > > > eat more. :) * I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
> > > > carbs make me sleepy. *Very sleepy. *If I eat a lot of carbs in
> > > > general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
> > > > I think I will try the gluten free crust. *Lady last night said she's
> > > > been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
> > > > best.

>
> > > Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.

>
> > > -S-

>
> > I wondered about that. *Is it at least less carb? *Thin crust vs
> > thick-- basically yeast content?

>
> Where do you work? *Gluten free pizza crust can be many things, but
> they're mainly not very good.



Domino's but hopefully something better will come along. For now,
it's something!

somebody[_2_] 15-06-2012 02:22 AM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 14, 6:02*pm, Gary > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
>
> > Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
> > night. *It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
> > eat more. :) * I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
> > carbs make me sleepy. *Very sleepy. *If I eat a lot of carbs in
> > general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
> With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
> but you have no idea if it was the carbs.
>
> Carbs give you quick energy.
> Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
> High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to digest.
> Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you sleepy.
>
> You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin crust.
>
> I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't and I don't
> either.
>
> Gary
>
> PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins but I'm so
> tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." *Carbs are NOT evil...that's what
> your body needs for fuel.
>
> And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases like
> diabetics.


actually I agree with you. And I used to be something of an athlete
or tried to be. Rode my bike 30 miles then played doubles volleyball
for a few hours on weekends. Not real high level, but above
average... I don't believe carbs are evil at all. But they
definitely effect me. It's not the fat. Actually I am vegetarian so
not a lot of fat, though not vegan so do eat cheese which has fat.
But I notice with things like spaghetti, peanut butter on whole wheat
bread, fig newton, mushroom soup with egg noodles that I have a
definite let down after 20-30 minutes. If I am active, not really so
much but if I'm watching TV or trying to read a book, or sitting at
work-- I have a hard time staying awake after eating even a moderate
amount of carbs for lunch. I generally don't eat much carbs at lunch
because I don't like how it effects me. Which is hard for me, because
I really like to eat!


ImStillMags 15-06-2012 02:38 AM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 14, 3:20*pm, Doug Freyburger > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> > "Steve Freides" > wrote:
> >> somebody wrote:

>
> >> > Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
> >> > night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
> >> > eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
> >> > carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
> >> > general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
> >> > I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said she's
> >> > been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
> >> > best.

>
> >> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.

>
> > I wondered about that. *Is it at least less carb? *Thin crust vs
> > thick-- basically yeast content?

>
> I've never seen a thick crust gluten free pizza. *True thin crust
> pizzas with wafer thin cracker crispy crust is rare enough that I've
> never seen one of those either. *I've seen regualr crust pizzas made
> with alternate grains and most people refer to that thickness as thin.
>
> A regular crust pizza will have a lot less carbs than a thick crust
> pizza. *Since all of the pizzas that I've seen using gluten free grains
> has been regular crust pizzas they are much lower in carbs than the same
> diameter thivk crust.
>
> Comparing regular thickness pizza with wheat against regular thickness
> pizza with alternate grains there is little difference in carb count.
>
> There is one way to reduce the carb count while going gluten free.
> Completely grain free even. *Lou Malnattis is a small chain in Chicago
> metro that has a couple dozen locations. *They do a "no dough" pizza
> where they press sauage into a sheet and then build a pizza on it.
> Wonderful for those of us who are wheat intolerant or gluten intolerant.
> Also wonderful for low carbers. *Not carb free as it comes with tomatos
> and other ingredients that are not high carb. *But it is low carb as
> long as you keep the list of other ingredients short. *I get small no
> dough pepperoni and black olives. *The tomato is mostly low carb. *The
> olives are very low carb.


Yup in the Primal/Paleo/low carb world we call those "meatzas".
Here's a nice recipe for one.

This one is for a greek style pizza...you can make Mexican, Italian,
etc. All you have to do is vary the meat seasonings and toppings.

http://hizzoners.com/recipes/meats/3...malpaleo-pizza


Julie Bove[_2_] 15-06-2012 03:19 AM

thin crust pizza
 
Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I used to take an individual casserole and put a can of chopped
>> Italian style tomatoes in it. Then top with cheese and nuke.
>> Tasted just like pizza but with a lot less carbs.

>
> Anyone remember JOLT cola? "All the caffeine and twice the sugar" ;)


I do remember it. Neveer had it. Now they have all of those energy drinks.



Julie Bove[_2_] 15-06-2012 03:20 AM

thin crust pizza
 
somebody wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2:09 pm, sf > wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT), somebody
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> On Jun 14, 11:19 am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>>>> somebody wrote:
>>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
>>>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that
>>>>> way I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after
>>>>> 3 slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
>>>>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>>
>>>>> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said
>>>>> she's been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work
>>>>> has the best.

>>
>>>> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.

>>
>>>> -S-

>>
>>> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
>>> thick-- basically yeast content?

>>
>> Where do you work? Gluten free pizza crust can be many things, but
>> they're mainly not very good.

>
>
> Domino's but hopefully something better will come along. For now,
> it's something!


Ew, ew, ew. Domino's has got to be the *worst* pizza out there and they
can't even claim their GF pizza to be truly GF because they don't keep it
free of cross contamination.



Julie Bove[_2_] 15-06-2012 03:21 AM

thin crust pizza
 
somebody wrote:
> On Jun 14, 6:02 pm, Gary > wrote:
>> somebody wrote:
>>
>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way
>>> I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3
>>> slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
>>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>>
>> With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
>> but you have no idea if it was the carbs.
>>
>> Carbs give you quick energy.
>> Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
>> High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to
>> digest. Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you sleepy.
>>
>> You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin
>> crust.
>>
>> I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't and
>> I don't either.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins but
>> I'm so tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." Carbs are NOT
>> evil...that's what your body needs for fuel.
>>
>> And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases like
>> diabetics.

>
> actually I agree with you. And I used to be something of an athlete
> or tried to be. Rode my bike 30 miles then played doubles volleyball
> for a few hours on weekends. Not real high level, but above
> average... I don't believe carbs are evil at all. But they
> definitely effect me. It's not the fat. Actually I am vegetarian so
> not a lot of fat, though not vegan so do eat cheese which has fat.
> But I notice with things like spaghetti, peanut butter on whole wheat
> bread, fig newton, mushroom soup with egg noodles that I have a
> definite let down after 20-30 minutes. If I am active, not really so
> much but if I'm watching TV or trying to read a book, or sitting at
> work-- I have a hard time staying awake after eating even a moderate
> amount of carbs for lunch. I generally don't eat much carbs at lunch
> because I don't like how it effects me. Which is hard for me, because
> I really like to eat!


If carbs are affecting you that much you could have reactive hypoglycemia or
diabetes.



gregz 15-06-2012 03:43 AM

thin crust pizza
 
Gary > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
>>
>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
>> night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
>> eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
>> carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
>> general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
> With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
> but you have no idea if it was the carbs.
>
> Carbs give you quick energy.
> Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
> High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to digest.
> Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you sleepy.
>
> You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin crust.
>
> I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't and I don't
> either.
>
> Gary
>
> PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins but I'm so
> tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." Carbs are NOT evil...that's what
> your body needs for fuel.
>
> And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases like
> diabetics.


I have had greasy pizzas make me sleepy, yet I can eat 3 plates of meatless
spaghetti, and I'm fine.

Greg

gregz 15-06-2012 03:43 AM

thin crust pizza
 
ImStillMags > wrote:
> On Jun 14, 7:22 am, somebody > wrote:
>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
>> night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
>> eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
>> carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
>> general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.
>>
>> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said she's
>> been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work has the
>> best.

>
> There is a regional chain here called Papa Murphy's Take and Bake
> Pizza. You walk in, select your pizza by crust type and ingredients,
> they make it and wrap it and you take it home and bake it. It comes
> on a special baking tray that can go in the oven.
> They also have a foil tray for grilling your pizza and special summer
> grilling pizzas. They also give you instructions for pizza stones,
> convection ovens, etc.
>
> They have the best pizza around, IMHO. My favorite is the
> Medeterrainean Herb Chicken de Lite pizza.
>
> http://www.papamurphys.com/OurMenu/Overview
>
> http://www.papamurphys.com/PressRoom


Why do the best pizzas look irregular, have black spots, ingredients
misplaced, yet pretty pizzas are not usually my favorite.

Greg

Cheryl[_3_] 15-06-2012 04:26 AM

thin crust pizza
 
On 6/14/2012 12:06 PM, Andy wrote:

> Years ago someone here recommended Trader Joe's brand frozen pizza
> Margherita which I like the most. All natural ingredients. Cooks in 12
> minutes (or my desired doneness). Slices doesn't droop, it's not soaking
> in grease and the ingredients (for a no topping pizza) are in perfect
> balance, imho. Imported from Italy. I don't know if it's machine made but
> the quality control hasn't waivered in all this time, which I can't say
> for the pizza from town.


My favorite store bought thin crust pizza is California Kitchen brand. I
like the pepperoni but I also like the chicken with garlic sauce.

Cheryl[_3_] 15-06-2012 04:31 AM

thin crust pizza
 
On 6/14/2012 9:11 PM, somebody wrote:

> Domino's but hopefully something better will come along. For now,
> it's something!


Dominos is my favorite thin crust delivery pizza. I admire you taking
whatever job you can and hope you get that something better if that's
what you want! :)


sf[_9_] 15-06-2012 07:13 AM

thin crust pizza
 
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:11:59 -0700 (PDT), somebody
> wrote:

> Domino's but hopefully something better will come along. For now,
> it's something!


Good luck to you!

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

somebody[_2_] 15-06-2012 12:53 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 14, 10:20*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> > On Jun 14, 2:09 pm, sf > wrote:
> >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT), somebody

>
> >> > wrote:
> >>> On Jun 14, 11:19 am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
> >>>> somebody wrote:
> >>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
> >>>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that
> >>>>> way I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after
> >>>>> 3 slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
> >>>>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
> >>>>> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said
> >>>>> she's been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I work
> >>>>> has the best.

>
> >>>> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.

>
> >>>> -S-

>
> >>> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
> >>> thick-- basically yeast content?

>
> >> Where do you work? Gluten free pizza crust can be many things, but
> >> they're mainly not very good.

>
> > Domino's but hopefully something better will come along. * For now,
> > it's something!

>
> Ew, ew, ew. *Domino's has got to be the *worst* pizza out there and they
> can't even claim their GF pizza to be truly GF because they don't keep it
> free of cross contamination.


They don't claim it to be gluten free. It clearly states only the
crust is, and mentions that ingredients may not be gluten free.
Though I can see how that could confuse people, and what's the point.
But for legal reasons I suppose they say that. It's not for people
extremely sensitive to gluten only those mildly.


somebody[_2_] 15-06-2012 12:55 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 14, 10:21*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> > On Jun 14, 6:02 pm, Gary > wrote:
> >> somebody wrote:

>
> >>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
> >>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way
> >>> I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3
> >>> slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
> >>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
> >> With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
> >> but you have no idea if it was the carbs.

>
> >> Carbs give you quick energy.
> >> Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
> >> High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to
> >> digest. Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you sleepy.

>
> >> You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin
> >> crust.

>
> >> I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't and
> >> I don't either.

>
> >> Gary

>
> >> PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins but
> >> I'm so tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." Carbs are NOT
> >> evil...that's what your body needs for fuel.

>
> >> And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases like
> >> diabetics.

>
> > actually I agree with you. *And I used to be something of an athlete
> > or tried to be. *Rode my bike 30 miles then played doubles volleyball
> > for a few hours on weekends. *Not real high level, but above
> > average... *I don't believe carbs are evil at all. *But they
> > definitely effect me. *It's not the fat. *Actually I am vegetarian so
> > not a lot of fat, though not vegan so do eat cheese which has fat.
> > But I notice with things like spaghetti, peanut butter on whole wheat
> > bread, fig newton, mushroom soup with egg noodles that I have a
> > definite let down after 20-30 minutes. *If I am active, not really so
> > much but if I'm watching TV or trying to read a book, or sitting at
> > work-- I have a hard time staying awake after eating even a moderate
> > amount of carbs for lunch. *I generally don't eat much carbs at lunch
> > because I don't like how it effects me. *Which is hard for me, because
> > I really like to eat!

>
> If carbs are affecting you that much you could have reactive hypoglycemia or
> diabetes.


I've noticed the effect pretty much all my adult life. Also, msg
effects me that way too, like in canned mushroom soup... I've been to
a couple doctors over the years and they said I don't have symptoms
for diabetes. I will have to look up reactive hypoglycemia.

somebody[_2_] 15-06-2012 01:00 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 14, 11:31*pm, Cheryl > wrote:
> On 6/14/2012 9:11 PM, somebody wrote:
>
> > Domino's but hopefully something better will come along. * For now,
> > it's something!

>
> Dominos is my favorite thin crust delivery pizza. *I admire you taking
> whatever job you can and hope you get that something better if that's
> what you want! *:)


Thank you. Next week I'm taking a test to see if I have a bus driver
personality, with the local bus company. As a life-long bike rider
that prefers to ride a bike to driving a car, probably not. But it
would be the same retirement system I was in and I suppose I could do
it for 3 years. Certainly would be better than what I'm doing now!

somebody[_2_] 15-06-2012 01:00 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 15, 4:17*am, Andy > wrote:
> Cheryl > wrote:
> > My favorite store bought thin crust pizza is California Kitchen brand.

> I
> > like the pepperoni but I also like the chicken with garlic sauce.

>
> Cheryl,
>
> I've always wanted to try their brand. I'm still on the fence about the
> exotic pizza toppings.
>
> I saw a food TV show about their evolution and was impressed.
>
> It's readily available in the frozen food pizza aisle here.
>
> One of these days.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy


I have that stupid Hot Potatoes song stuck in my head! Off and on
last couple days.

somebody[_2_] 15-06-2012 01:03 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 15, 2:13*am, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:11:59 -0700 (PDT), somebody
>
> > wrote:
> > Domino's but hopefully something better will come along. * For now,
> > it's something!

>
> Good luck to you!
>
> --
> Food is an important part of a balanced diet.


:)

Thank God I put money in differed comp when I was younger. Otherwise,
I'd be rooming with Tommy Joe!

notbob 15-06-2012 01:29 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On 2012-06-15, Gary > wrote:

> Anyone remember JOLT cola? "All the caffeine and twice the sugar" ;)


Usta make for great rum n' cokes. They ruined it by changing to HFCS.
You can still get it in bottles, in CA. I haven't seen it, here, in
CO.

nb


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Support labeling GMOs
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somebody[_2_] 15-06-2012 02:02 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 15, 8:29*am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2012-06-15, Gary > wrote:
>
> > Anyone remember JOLT cola? "All the caffeine and twice the sugar" * ;)

>
> Usta make for great rum n' cokes. *They ruined it by changing to HFCS.
> You can still get it in bottles, in CA. *I haven't seen it, here, in
> CO.


I used to get Henry Weinhard's Pale Ale in CO. When I moved back east
of the Mississippi, I couldn't find it. Then one day it magically
appeared. Then six months later is was gone and never returned. I
tried to special order it, but no one could get it.


somebody[_2_] 15-06-2012 02:10 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 14, 10:21*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> > On Jun 14, 6:02 pm, Gary > wrote:
> >> somebody wrote:

>
> >>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
> >>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way
> >>> I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3
> >>> slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
> >>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
> >> With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
> >> but you have no idea if it was the carbs.

>
> >> Carbs give you quick energy.
> >> Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
> >> High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to
> >> digest. Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you sleepy.

>
> >> You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin
> >> crust.

>
> >> I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't and
> >> I don't either.

>
> >> Gary

>
> >> PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins but
> >> I'm so tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." Carbs are NOT
> >> evil...that's what your body needs for fuel.

>
> >> And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases like
> >> diabetics.

>
> > actually I agree with you. *And I used to be something of an athlete
> > or tried to be. *Rode my bike 30 miles then played doubles volleyball
> > for a few hours on weekends. *Not real high level, but above
> > average... *I don't believe carbs are evil at all. *But they
> > definitely effect me. *It's not the fat. *Actually I am vegetarian so
> > not a lot of fat, though not vegan so do eat cheese which has fat.
> > But I notice with things like spaghetti, peanut butter on whole wheat
> > bread, fig newton, mushroom soup with egg noodles that I have a
> > definite let down after 20-30 minutes. *If I am active, not really so
> > much but if I'm watching TV or trying to read a book, or sitting at
> > work-- I have a hard time staying awake after eating even a moderate
> > amount of carbs for lunch. *I generally don't eat much carbs at lunch
> > because I don't like how it effects me. *Which is hard for me, because
> > I really like to eat!

>
> If carbs are affecting you that much you could have reactive hypoglycemia or
> diabetes.


After reading a couple articles on the Internet, I'd say I do have a
lot of signs of reactive hypoglycemia; if I get health insurance
again, I will see if a doc can do some tests. People have always
commented about how I continuously eat (small meals) I've done that
for a long time. If I don't eat for a few hours, I get irritable and
ornery. I've found the little V8 low sodium cans quench my hunger
when I start to get hungry. But I don't really like V8 much, except
heavily watered down and cold. I like to water down al ot of things,
especially fruit juices. I love apple juice but too much sugar at
once if not watered down.

http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pub...ia/#nodiabetes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_hypoglycemia

Gary 15-06-2012 10:40 PM

thin crust pizza
 
somebody wrote:
>
> On Jun 14, 6:02 pm, Gary > wrote:
> > somebody wrote:
> >
> > > Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one last
> > > night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way I could
> > > eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3 slices the
> > > carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of carbs in
> > > general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

> >
> > With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
> > but you have no idea if it was the carbs.


One other thing. Simple carbs (plain sugar, candy bars, etc) will do what
happened with you. With the simple carbs, you get an energy rush but then
20-30 minutes later you do crash (with the energy). A pizza shouldn't do
that to you but maybe the sauce contained sugar.

Gary

Cheryl[_3_] 15-06-2012 11:15 PM

thin crust pizza
 
On 6/15/2012 9:10 AM, somebody wrote:

> I've found the little V8 low sodium cans quench my hunger
> when I start to get hungry. But I don't really like V8 much, except
> heavily watered down and cold. I like to water down al ot of things,
> especially fruit juices. I love apple juice but too much sugar at
> once if not watered down.


I like my juice watered down, too, but I water it down with club soda.

Julie Bove[_2_] 16-06-2012 04:07 AM

thin crust pizza
 
somebody wrote:
> On Jun 14, 10:20 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> somebody wrote:
>>> On Jun 14, 2:09 pm, sf > wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:46:35 -0700 (PDT), somebody

>>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 14, 11:19 am, "Steve Freides" > wrote:
>>>>>> somebody wrote:
>>>>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
>>>>>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that
>>>>>>> way I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after
>>>>>>> 3 slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot
>>>>>>> of carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>>
>>>>>>> I think I will try the gluten free crust. Lady last night said
>>>>>>> she's been eating gluten free for about 8 years, and where I
>>>>>>> work has the best.

>>
>>>>>> Gluten-free does not equal carb-free.

>>
>>>>>> -S-

>>
>>>>> I wondered about that. Is it at least less carb? Thin crust vs
>>>>> thick-- basically yeast content?

>>
>>>> Where do you work? Gluten free pizza crust can be many things, but
>>>> they're mainly not very good.

>>
>>> Domino's but hopefully something better will come along. For now,
>>> it's something!

>>
>> Ew, ew, ew. Domino's has got to be the *worst* pizza out there and
>> they can't even claim their GF pizza to be truly GF because they
>> don't keep it free of cross contamination.

>
> They don't claim it to be gluten free. It clearly states only the
> crust is, and mentions that ingredients may not be gluten free.
> Though I can see how that could confuse people, and what's the point.
> But for legal reasons I suppose they say that. It's not for people
> extremely sensitive to gluten only those mildly.


That makes no sense at all. My daughter was sensetive to gluten. Any
amount of cross contamination would leave her doubled over in main. Nobody
is mildy sensetive. You either are, or you aren't. I only ate the GF crust
from Garlic Jim's because I knew it contained no egg and I knew that it was
cheaper for me to just share a pizza with her than to get my own. I would
never eat that by choice because it just isn't that good.



Julie Bove[_2_] 16-06-2012 04:29 AM

thin crust pizza
 
somebody wrote:
> On Jun 14, 10:21 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> somebody wrote:
>>> On Jun 14, 6:02 pm, Gary > wrote:
>>>> somebody wrote:

>>
>>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
>>>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way
>>>>> I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3
>>>>> slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
>>>>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>>
>>>> With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
>>>> but you have no idea if it was the carbs.

>>
>>>> Carbs give you quick energy.
>>>> Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
>>>> High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to
>>>> digest. Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you sleepy.

>>
>>>> You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin
>>>> crust.

>>
>>>> I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't
>>>> and I don't either.

>>
>>>> Gary

>>
>>>> PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins but
>>>> I'm so tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." Carbs are NOT
>>>> evil...that's what your body needs for fuel.

>>
>>>> And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases like
>>>> diabetics.

>>
>>> actually I agree with you. And I used to be something of an athlete
>>> or tried to be. Rode my bike 30 miles then played doubles volleyball
>>> for a few hours on weekends. Not real high level, but above
>>> average... I don't believe carbs are evil at all. But they
>>> definitely effect me. It's not the fat. Actually I am vegetarian so
>>> not a lot of fat, though not vegan so do eat cheese which has fat.
>>> But I notice with things like spaghetti, peanut butter on whole
>>> wheat bread, fig newton, mushroom soup with egg noodles that I have
>>> a definite let down after 20-30 minutes. If I am active, not really
>>> so much but if I'm watching TV or trying to read a book, or sitting
>>> at work-- I have a hard time staying awake after eating even a
>>> moderate amount of carbs for lunch. I generally don't eat much
>>> carbs at lunch because I don't like how it effects me. Which is
>>> hard for me, because I really like to eat!

>>
>> If carbs are affecting you that much you could have reactive
>> hypoglycemia or diabetes.

>
> I've noticed the effect pretty much all my adult life. Also, msg
> effects me that way too, like in canned mushroom soup... I've been to
> a couple doctors over the years and they said I don't have symptoms
> for diabetes. I will have to look up reactive hypoglycemia.


Diabetes isn't diagnosed by symptoms.



somebody[_2_] 16-06-2012 04:43 AM

thin crust pizza
 
On Jun 15, 11:29*pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> somebody wrote:
> > On Jun 14, 10:21 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> >> somebody wrote:
> >>> On Jun 14, 6:02 pm, Gary > wrote:
> >>>> somebody wrote:

>
> >>>>> Was in the mood for a thin crust pizza past few days and got one
> >>>>> last night. It was good, but not all that filling. Though that way
> >>>>> I could eat more. :) I usually get the thick crust but after 3
> >>>>> slices the carbs make me sleepy. Very sleepy. If I eat a lot of
> >>>>> carbs in general I can barely stay away 20-30 minutes later.

>
> >>>> With all due respect, your 3 slices of pizza made you sleepy,
> >>>> but you have no idea if it was the carbs.

>
> >>>> Carbs give you quick energy.
> >>>> Carbs will not make you sleeply unless you pig out.
> >>>> High fat can make you sleeply as your body has to work harder to
> >>>> digest. Overeating anything (including carbs) will make you sleepy.

>
> >>>> You probably had a lot of high fat toppings on that low carb thin
> >>>> crust.

>
> >>>> I know most of you seem to hate carbs but serious athletes don't
> >>>> and I don't either.

>
> >>>> Gary

>
> >>>> PS - I'm not out for another carb battle here where no one wins but
> >>>> I'm so tired of all this "carbs are evil crap." Carbs are NOT
> >>>> evil...that's what your body needs for fuel.

>
> >>>> And I'm talking about normal healthy people, not special cases like
> >>>> diabetics.

>
> >>> actually I agree with you. And I used to be something of an athlete
> >>> or tried to be. Rode my bike 30 miles then played doubles volleyball
> >>> for a few hours on weekends. Not real high level, but above
> >>> average... I don't believe carbs are evil at all. But they
> >>> definitely effect me. It's not the fat. Actually I am vegetarian so
> >>> not a lot of fat, though not vegan so do eat cheese which has fat.
> >>> But I notice with things like spaghetti, peanut butter on whole
> >>> wheat bread, fig newton, mushroom soup with egg noodles that I have
> >>> a definite let down after 20-30 minutes. If I am active, not really
> >>> so much but if I'm watching TV or trying to read a book, or sitting
> >>> at work-- I have a hard time staying awake after eating even a
> >>> moderate amount of carbs for lunch. I generally don't eat much
> >>> carbs at lunch because I don't like how it effects me. Which is
> >>> hard for me, because I really like to eat!

>
> >> If carbs are affecting you that much you could have reactive
> >> hypoglycemia or diabetes.

>
> > I've noticed the effect pretty much all my adult life. *Also, msg
> > effects me that way too, like in canned mushroom soup... *I've been to
> > a couple doctors over the years and they said I don't have symptoms
> > for diabetes. *I will have to look up reactive hypoglycemia.

>
> Diabetes isn't diagnosed by symptoms.


How is it diagnosed then? If you say by testing, then should everyone
be tested?



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