I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.

The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!

Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.

Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
changes?

On 17/06/2012 1:01 AM, Roy wrote:
> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!

Most likely High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) because it is CHEAP!
>
> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> changes?

The added sugar is the mask the taste of, amongst other things, salt.

--

Krypsis

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
> bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> changes?

My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
"tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.

pavane

On Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:16:23 AM UTC-6, pavane wrote:
> "Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> > ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
> >
> > The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
> >
> > Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
> > bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
> >
> > Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> > changes?
>
> My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
> "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
> high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
> natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.
>
> pavane

I have Canadian made product (newly purchased) which has a listing as:

Tomato paste (made from fresh ripe tomatoes), liquid sugar, white vinegar,
salt, onion powder, spices.

That is it.

Our formula IS different...I wonder why?

On Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:17:45 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:16:23 -0400, pavane wrote:
>
> > "Roy" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> >> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
> >>
> >> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
> >>
> >> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
> >> bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
> >>
> >> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> >> changes?
> >
> > My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
> > "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
> > high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
> > natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.
>
> Roy's practicing to be a political journalist.
>
> -sw

I don't have to practice.

On 6/16/2012 12:25 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:16:23 AM UTC-6, pavane wrote:

>> My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
>> "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
>> high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
>> natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.
>>

> I have Canadian made product (newly purchased) which has a listing as:
>
> Tomato paste (made from fresh ripe tomatoes), liquid sugar, white vinegar,
> salt, onion powder, spices.
>
> That is it.
>
> Our formula IS different...I wonder why?
>
Perhaps it's not the formula that's different, but the labeling
requirements.
In the US one, 'high fructose corn syrup' and 'corn syrup' are listed
separately, but the Canadian one just has 'liquid sugar'.
I believe that ingredients are required to be listed with the biggest
one first - if you list your sugar as two separate items, the quantity
of each is less, which moves the vinegar up to the second position; if
you count them both as 'liquid sugar', that moves closer to the top of
the list.

On 16/06/2012 11:01 AM, Roy wrote:
> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> changes?

Thank the big companies for that. Business people like to carry on about
how free enterprise is great for everyone because it spurs competition
and keeps prices low, but then they buy up the competition.

Using real sugar in Coca Cola would cost only about a penny per can. It
doesn't seem like much, but they sell billions of cans of that stuff. It
adds up.

Then there is the farm lobby. There is a of land in the US that is
suitable for corn. It is an easy crop to grow and it is easy to process.
The farmers want a market for their products. There is not a lot of
sugar grown in the US.


As for changes.... I used to love Peek Frean cookies. A few years ago I
noticed a drastic change. The packages were downsized. The cookies were
downsized. The quality of the cookies took a major downward slide. I was
going to write to the company to complain. I spent a fair amount of
time online trying to get an address. As it turned out, the company is
now part of Kraft.

On Jun 16, 1:18*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 16/06/2012 11:01 AM, Roy wrote:
>
> > I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> > ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> > The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> > Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> > Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> > changes?
>
> Thank the big companies for that. Business people like to carry on about
> how free enterprise is great for everyone because it spurs competition
> and keeps prices low, but then they buy up the competition.
>
> Using real sugar in Coca Cola would cost only about a penny per can. It
> doesn't seem like much, but they sell billions of cans of that stuff. It
> adds up.
>
> Then there is the farm lobby. There is a of land in the US that is
> suitable for corn. It is an easy crop to grow and it is easy to process.
> The farmers want a market for their products. *There is not a lot of
> sugar grown in the US.
>
> As for changes.... I used to love Peek Frean cookies. A few years ago I
> noticed a drastic change. The packages were downsized. The cookies were
> downsized. The quality of the cookies took a major downward slide. I was
> going to write to the company to complain. *I spent a fair amount of
> time online trying to get an address. As it turned out, the company is
> now part of Kraft.

And so they go----Burt's Bees, Ben and Jerry, the list goes on and
on.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Then there is the farm lobby. There is a of land in the US that is
> suitable for corn. It is an easy crop to grow and it is easy to process.
> The farmers want a market for their products. There is not a lot of
> sugar grown in the US.

Compared to corn, doesn't cane sugar need a hotter, wetter climate?

"Krypsis" > wrote in message
...
> On 17/06/2012 1:01 AM, Roy wrote:
>> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
>> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>>
>> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> Most likely High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) because it is CHEAP!
>>
>> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
>> bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>>
>> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
>> changes?
>
> The added sugar is the mask the taste of, amongst other things, salt.

No. They switched back to sugar because people didn't want the HFCS.

"pavane" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
>> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>>
>> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>>
>> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
>> bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>>
>> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
>> changes?
>
> My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
> "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
> high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
> natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.

They sell two different kinds now.

Mark Thorson wrote:

> > Compared to corn, doesn't cane sugar need a hotter, wetter climate?
>
> Yes, and more importantly you compete with growers
> worldwide who have very low labor costs. Because
> of that, the U.S. sugar cannot survive without
> price supports that make sugar about 2X to 4X
> the world price of sugar.
[...]
> Sugar pricing is a great big racket created by
> industry lobbyists.

So sugar prices are high because of both market forces and market
manipulation by producers? I don't follow.

On 16/06/2012 1:31 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Then there is the farm lobby. There is a of land in the US that is
>> suitable for corn. It is an easy crop to grow and it is easy to process.
>> The farmers want a market for their products. There is not a lot of
>> sugar grown in the US.
>
> Compared to corn, doesn't cane sugar need a hotter, wetter climate?
>
>

Probably. As I said...... there's a lot of land in the US suitable for corn.

On 16/06/2012 2:52 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Roy wrote:
>>
>> Our formula IS different...I wonder why?
>
> Canadians like it that way. Same thing with
> Corn Pops breakfast cereal -- same name, same
> manufacturer, but completely different product
> in Canada. You guys have never tasted the
> Real Thing.

Add Grape Nuts to the list. The product sold her was virtually
identical to what was sold in the US. I have a friend is a major fan of
Grape Nuts and when I mentioned how they didn't taste as good as they
used to he told me that the Canadian product had changed but the
American product stayed the same. He makes regular visits to the US to
get things he can't get at home and Grape Nuts are at the top of his
list. He buys a case or two at a time.

"George M. Middius" wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > Then there is the farm lobby. There is a of land in the US that is
> > suitable for corn. It is an easy crop to grow and it is easy to process.
> > The farmers want a market for their products. There is not a lot of
> > sugar grown in the US.
>
> Compared to corn, doesn't cane sugar need a hotter, wetter climate?

Yes, and more importantly you compete with growers
worldwide who have very low labor costs. Because
of that, the U.S. sugar cannot survive without
price supports that make sugar about 2X to 4X
the world price of sugar. That has devastated
the U.S. candy industry, much of which has been
driven to Canada and Mexico.

A loophole has been created for high-fructose corn
syrup, so the soft drink manufacturers can remain
profitable without access to cheap sucrose. The
candy manufacturers can't replace sucrose with HFCS
because HFCS won't set up into a solid. That's
of course not a problem for soft drinks.

Sugar pricing is a great big racket created by
industry lobbyists. Without them, we'd have cheap
sugar, a profitable U.S. candy industry, and no
corn wasted producing ethanol as a fuel additive.

Roy wrote:
>
> Our formula IS different...I wonder why?

Canadians like it that way. Same thing with
Corn Pops breakfast cereal -- same name, same
manufacturer, but completely different product
in Canada. You guys have never tasted the
Real Thing.

"George M. Middius" wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > > Compared to corn, doesn't cane sugar need a hotter, wetter climate?
> >
> > Yes, and more importantly you compete with growers
> > worldwide who have very low labor costs. Because
> > of that, the U.S. sugar cannot survive without
> > price supports that make sugar about 2X to 4X
> > the world price of sugar.
> [...]
> > Sugar pricing is a great big racket created by
> > industry lobbyists.
>
> So sugar prices are high because of both market forces and market
> manipulation by producers? I don't follow.

Sugar prices are high in the U.S. because
U.S. buyers are not allowed to purchase sugar
at the much lower world price. We have to pay
2X to 4X higher than that price. Without that
protection, U.S. producers (principally beet
sugar producers) would not survive. They have
never been competitive in world markets against
cheap cane sugar.

To protect this market, our candy industry has
been devastated and other sugar-consuming
industries have been badly hurt or switched to
high-fructose corn syrup. To protect the few,
many suffer.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:01:19 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
>ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
>The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!


Look for "Simply Heinz" ketchup. It has real cane sugar and better
flavor

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> >The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!

> Look for "Simply Heinz" ketchup. It has real cane sugar and better
> flavor

That's what I have, but I can't tell the difference.

Another mystery is why all the kerfuffle over soda. The artificially
sweetened ones are pretty damned good.

On 17/06/2012 3:49 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 17/06/2012 1:01 AM, Roy wrote:
>>> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
>>> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>>>
>>> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>>
>> Most likely High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) because it is CHEAP!
>>>
>>> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
>>> bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>>>
>>> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
>>> changes?
>>
>> The added sugar is the mask the taste of, amongst other things, salt.
>
> No. They switched back to sugar because people didn't want the HFCS.
>
>
I think you're wrong. Pavane's list of ingredients would indicate that.

--

Krypsis

On 17/06/2012 3:31 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Then there is the farm lobby. There is a of land in the US that is
>> suitable for corn. It is an easy crop to grow and it is easy to process.
>> The farmers want a market for their products. There is not a lot of
>> sugar grown in the US.
>
> Compared to corn, doesn't cane sugar need a hotter, wetter climate?
>
>
In Australia, we have cane sugar growing in tropical environments and a
lot of it. I don't think we use HFCS here as cane sugar is cheap and
readily available. Also, we have a glut of it.

--

Krypsis

On 17/06/2012 7:38 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
>> Look for "Simply Heinz" ketchup. It has real cane sugar and better
>> flavor
>
> That's what I have, but I can't tell the difference.
>
> Another mystery is why all the kerfuffle over soda. The artificially
> sweetened ones are pretty damned good.
>
But not neccessarily good for you.

--

Krypsis

In article >,
says...
>
> On Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:16:23 AM UTC-6, pavane wrote:
> > "Roy" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> > > ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
> > >
> > > The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
> > >
> > > Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
> > > bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
> > >
> > > Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> > > changes?
> >
> > My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
> > "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
> > high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
> > natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.
> >
> > pavane
>
> I have Canadian made product (newly purchased) which has a listing as:
>
> Tomato paste (made from fresh ripe tomatoes), liquid sugar, white vinegar,
> salt, onion powder, spices.
>
> That is it.
>
> Our formula IS different...I wonder why?

Perhaps Canadian law requires that both "high fructose corn syrup" and
"corn syrup" be listed as "liquid sugar" with the result that the two
combined represent a greater volume than the "white vinegar"?

On 6/16/2012 7:42 PM, J. Clarke wrote:

> Perhaps Canadian law requires that both "high fructose corn syrup" and
> "corn syrup" be listed as "liquid sugar" with the result that the two
> combined represent a greater volume than the "white vinegar"?
>
That would be my guess.

On 6/16/2012 12:46 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 6/16/2012 12:25 PM, Roy wrote:
>> On Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:16:23 AM UTC-6, pavane wrote:
>
>>> My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
>>> "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
>>> high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
>>> natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.
>>>
>
>> I have Canadian made product (newly purchased) which has a listing as:
>>
>> Tomato paste (made from fresh ripe tomatoes), liquid sugar, white
>> vinegar,
>> salt, onion powder, spices.
>>
>> That is it.
>>
>> Our formula IS different...I wonder why?
>>
> Perhaps it's not the formula that's different, but the labeling
> requirements.
> In the US one, 'high fructose corn syrup' and 'corn syrup' are listed
> separately, but the Canadian one just has 'liquid sugar'.
> I believe that ingredients are required to be listed with the biggest
> one first - if you list your sugar as two separate items, the quantity
> of each is less, which moves the vinegar up to the second position; if
> you count them both as 'liquid sugar', that moves closer to the top of
> the list.

Seems they use the real thing and not Frankensugar.

According to this Canada has low sugar prices because of the lack of
tariffs and taxes. Sugar = either sugar from cane or sugar beets.
"liquid sugar" is described as a sugar water mixture. Frankensugar AKA
"HFCS" is never mentioned.


http://www.sugar.ca/english/canadian...ugarmarket.cfm

On 6/16/2012 7:42 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In >,
> says...
>>
>> On Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:16:23 AM UTC-6, pavane wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
>>>> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>>>>
>>>> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
>>>> bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
>>>> changes?
>>>
>>> My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
>>> "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
>>> high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
>>> natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.
>>>
>>> pavane
>>
>> I have Canadian made product (newly purchased) which has a listing as:
>>
>> Tomato paste (made from fresh ripe tomatoes), liquid sugar, white vinegar,
>> salt, onion powder, spices.
>>
>> That is it.
>>
>> Our formula IS different...I wonder why?
>
> Perhaps Canadian law requires that both "high fructose corn syrup" and
> "corn syrup" be listed as "liquid sugar" with the result that the two
> combined represent a greater volume than the "white vinegar"?
>
>

Amazingly and refreshingly "liquid sugar" seems to be just sugar
dissolved in water:

http://www.sugar.ca/english/canadian...ugarmarket.cfm

On 6/16/2012 1:31 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Then there is the farm lobby. There is a of land in the US that is
>> suitable for corn. It is an easy crop to grow and it is easy to process.
>> The farmers want a market for their products. There is not a lot of
>> sugar grown in the US.
>
> Compared to corn, doesn't cane sugar need a hotter, wetter climate?
>
>

Sure, but the US has erected large tariffs and controls on cane sugar
very likely because of the envelopes politicians got from ADM.

On Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:01:19 AM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> changes?

On Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:01:19 AM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> changes?

On Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:01:19 AM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> changes?

On Jun 16, 9:25*am, Roy > wrote:
> On Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:16:23 AM UTC-6, pavane wrote:
> > "Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> > > ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> > > The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> > > Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
> > > bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> > > Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> > > changes?
>
> > My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
> > "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
> > high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
> > natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.
>
> > pavane
>
> I have Canadian made product (newly purchased) which has a listing as:
>
> Tomato paste (made from fresh ripe tomatoes), liquid sugar, white vinegar,
> salt, onion powder, spices.
>
> That is it.
>
> Our formula IS different...I wonder why?

Cost cutting...

On Jun 16, 10:01*am, Roy > wrote:
> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> changes?


They figure they'll save so much money by cutting corners that it'll
more than make up for people who no longer buy it because its now
crap. It doesn't always work, though. Schlitz and Pabst went from
being two of the most popular beers in the country to footnotes on the
assumption that people were buying the label rather than the stuff
behind it, and no one would notice if they cheapened a few things here
and there.

"Christopher Helms" > wrote in message
...
On Jun 16, 10:01 am, Roy > wrote:
> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
> bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> changes?


They figure they'll save so much money by cutting corners that it'll
more than make up for people who no longer buy it because its now
crap. It doesn't always work, though. Schlitz and Pabst went from
being two of the most popular beers in the country to footnotes on the
assumption that people were buying the label rather than the stuff
behind it, and no one would notice if they cheapened a few things here
and there.

--

Can I still get Schlitz in a schooner, like Sam Beckett in "mirror image"?

On Jun 17, 10:00*am, "Somebody" > wrote:
> "Christopher Helms" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jun 16, 10:01 am, Roy > wrote:
>
> > I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
> > ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>
> > The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>
> > Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
> > bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>
> > Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
> > changes?
>
> They figure they'll save so much money by cutting corners that it'll
> more than make up for people who no longer buy it because its now
> crap. It doesn't always work, though. Schlitz and Pabst went from
> being two of the most popular beers in the country to footnotes on the
> assumption that people were buying the label rather than the stuff
> behind it, and no one would notice if they cheapened a few things here
> and there.
>
> --
>
> Can I still get Schlitz in a schooner, like Sam Beckett in "mirror image"?


You can get Prince Albert in a can, but you can't smoke him in public.

Roy wrote:
> On Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:16:23 AM UTC-6, pavane wrote:
>
>> "Roy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
>>> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>>>
>>> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>>>
>>> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry" chocolate
>>> bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>>>
>>> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
>>> changes?
>>>
>> My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
>> "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
>> high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
>> natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.
>>
>> pavane
>>
>
> I have Canadian made product (newly purchased) which has a listing as:
>
> Tomato paste (made from fresh ripe tomatoes), liquid sugar, white vinegar,
> salt, onion powder, spices.
>
> That is it.
>
> Our formula IS different...I wonder why?
>


Because sugar is cheaper in Canada, and corn syrup is cheaper in USA.
Those ingredient lists are equivalent.

-Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> Roy wrote:
>> pavane wrote:
>
>>> My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
>>> "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
>>> high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
>>> natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.
>
>> I have Canadian made product (newly purchased) which has a listing as:
>> Tomato paste (made from fresh ripe tomatoes), liquid sugar, white vinegar,
>> salt, onion powder, spices.
>
>> That is it.
>
>> Our formula IS different...I wonder why?
>
> Because sugar is cheaper in Canada, and corn syrup is cheaper in USA.
> Those ingredient lists are equivalent.

Try cane sugar and HFCS side by side and it's likely you will be able to
tell the difference. As ingredients in a product I bet it would be very
hard to tell the difference.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:58:57 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

>
>Try cane sugar and HFCS side by side and it's likely you will be able to
>tell the difference. As ingredients in a product I bet it would be very
>hard to tell the difference.

Depends on the product. Soda, yes I can tell the difference. The
Simply Heinz ketchup is different and seems fresher. Could be some
other tinkering also. While I can tell the difference, I can't say
for sure it is the sugar.

Most other products, I cannot tell.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 16/06/2012 11:01 AM, Roy wrote:
>> I don't use much ketchup but when I opened my last bottle of Heinz brand
>> ketchup I found that its taste had changed for the worst IMHO.
>>
>> The second-most ingredient is "liquid SUGAR"...yuck!
>>
>> Many years ago when Hershey took over the old Lowneys "OhHenry"
>> chocolate bar...same thing...a change in formula...way too sweet.
>>
>> Perhaps its my taster...anyone else have the same impression of these
>> changes?
>
> Thank the big companies for that. Business people like to carry on about
> how free enterprise is great for everyone because it spurs competition
> and keeps prices low, but then they buy up the competition.
>
> Using real sugar in Coca Cola would cost only about a penny per can. It
> doesn't seem like much, but they sell billions of cans of that stuff. It
> adds up.
>
> Then there is the farm lobby. There is a of land in the US that is
> suitable for corn. It is an easy crop to grow and it is easy to process.
> The farmers want a market for their products. There is not a lot of
> sugar grown in the US.
>
>
> As for changes.... I used to love Peek Frean cookies. A few years ago I
> noticed a drastic change. The packages were downsized. The cookies were
> downsized. The quality of the cookies took a major downward slide. I was
> going to write to the company to complain. I spent a fair amount of
> time online trying to get an address. As it turned out, the company is
> now part of Kraft.

Ah. Now why doesn't THAT surprise me? What a shame.

--
Jean B.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>> Roy wrote:
>>> pavane wrote:
>>>> My bottle, with an expiry date of 11/28/2012, lists ingredients as:
>>>> "tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar,
>>>> high fructose corn syrup, corn syrup, salt, spice, onion powder,
>>>> natural flavoring." It tastes the way I remember it.
>>> I have Canadian made product (newly purchased) which has a listing as:
>>> Tomato paste (made from fresh ripe tomatoes), liquid sugar, white vinegar,
>>> salt, onion powder, spices.
>>> That is it.
>>> Our formula IS different...I wonder why?
>> Because sugar is cheaper in Canada, and corn syrup is cheaper in USA.
>> Those ingredient lists are equivalent.
>
> Try cane sugar and HFCS side by side and it's likely you will be able to
> tell the difference. As ingredients in a product I bet it would be very
> hard to tell the difference.

I frequently can tell the difference. To me, sugar has a clean
taste, while HFCS has a dull taste.

--
Jean B.

Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Golden syrup lists as all cane syrup. The formula for Karo has changed
> over time according to the label. I take it it was originally all corn
> syrup?

Are you referring to the salt and vanilla in the light corn syrup?
Oh dear, look at the ingredients in the dark corn syrup! I can
only assume that "caramel color" is the cancer-causing stuff (as
vs what cooks think of as caramel coloring). And sodium
benzonate? I am not sure what that is compared to sodium
benzoate. I started a search but it looks like I'd have to go
pretty far into the subject, and I'm no chemist.
>
> Golden syrup is medium dark. Karo comes in light that is clear, dark
> that is as dark as molasses. To do a fair comparison I figure you'd
> need to mix the two types of Karo half and half. I have not done that
> but I do imagine it different than golden in a side by side.

--
Jean B.