On 6/20/2012 12:31 AM, Somebody wrote:

> That is all I want (and maybe Killfile capability, but that's not necessary
> if you can just mark messages.) Why GG doesn't have threading and let you
> mark messages, I don't understand. It's just cumbersome to use as is.

Because GG is just aggregated from the original source.

On 19/06/12 21:31, Somebody wrote:

>
> Why GG doesn't have threading and let you
> mark messages, I don't understand. It's just cumbersome to use as is.

Can't mark messages as read though, but there is threading on senders,
by reply or by date. See this:

https://groups.google.com/group/rec....daee1df50062ce

On 6/19/2012 9:24 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 6/18/2012 6:46 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> I'm interested in ideas and concepts, not people. I'm not interested in
>>> talking about other people and I'm certainly not interested in talking
>>> about what you think about me personally.
>>
>> How tall are you? I can't evaluate your ideas without some idea of
>> your personal attributes.
>>
> He already told us he has a small penis.

Thanks - I'm glad that someone is paying attention to my humble posts.
Makes me feel... special. Although to tell you the truth, it don't look
that tiny due the it being attached to my smallish gnome-body.

Cheryl wrote:

> >> I'm interested in ideas and concepts, not people. I'm not interested in
> >> talking about other people and I'm certainly not interested in talking
> >> about what you think about me personally.
> >
> > How tall are you? I can't evaluate your ideas without some idea of
> > your personal attributes.
> >
> He already told us he has a small penis.

Assuming that's true, we now know 2 of his attributes. I still can't
decide whether to accept his opinions. Go find out the color of his
leg hair.

Cheryl wrote:

> On 6/18/2012 6:44 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> > sqwishy's rag is on fire again.
> >
> >>> Oh yeah, I'm just going to have to ignore your ass again if you make
> >>> another personal remark. Have a nice day! :-)
> >>
> >> That's fine (asshole!). I will enjoy pointing out your idiocy and
> >> making a fool out of you whether you choose to respond or not.
> >
> > I think you've got the count down to 3 now, sqwish. (That's 3 regular
> > posters with whom you're not at war.) Are you expecting to reach 0
> > within days, weeks, or months?

> So do you just bow down and not debate anything you're against whether
> in print or voice? Debates are healthy. Deciding that you want to
> ignore other people's opinion and not state your own is ****ed up. Or
> do you just agree with everyone?

You talkin' to me? You talking to me? Where's my taxi?

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:06:15 +1000, Krypsis >
wrote:

>On 20/06/2012 6:59 AM, MotoFox wrote:
>> And it came to pass that Krypsis delivered the following message unto the
>> people, saying~
>>
>>> Google Groups, for better or worse, brought the masses to Usenet. With the
>>> decline in ISPs, such as mine recently, wishing to host newsgroups, Google
>>> Groups may eventually be the only way to access newsgroups.
>>
>> Actually AOheLl initially brought "the masses" here, many years before
>> G--gl- ever came about. Many claim that we've now moved on to October 1993
>> at long last, since AOheLl dropped its Usenet support several years back,
>> but G--gl- are really just continuing it. Broadly speaking, the September
>> that Never Ended, for all practical purposes, still hasn't ended.
>>
>> Just saying....
>>
>AOL never managed to get a foothold in this country, though they did try
>very hard. So, for us at least, Google Groups was the beginning of mass
>entry to Usenet.

What BS, all the major ISPs supported usenet when users had to pay for
net access. Once technological advances made it possible to log on to
the net for free with dial-up all ISPs ceased to support usenet and
most other content included in ones subscription, today everything is
a la carte. Yoose noobie pinheads sure endow AOL with inordinate
powers. Now AOL is free, but for the same money one can subscribe to
Forte Agent. It's not at all about AOL, it's all about yoose cheapo
entitlement *******s always looking for a free tit. I tried Google
Groups, it sucks, and constant outages, it's free like ice in the
winter. In over two years I never once launched Agent and it didn't
work flawlessly. I sign on with Verizon but I don't care for their
layout so for email and surfing I still use AOL. Over the years I've
used several ISPs but none have as user friendly a layout as AOL. I
think the Verizon web page is a disaster, so is Comcast, Optonline,
RoadRunner, and others. I'd not be at all surprised if now that it's
free all yoose AOL bashers have AOL loaded on your PC.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:31:12 -0400, "Somebody"
> wrote:

> Why GG doesn't have threading and let you
> mark messages, I don't understand. It's just cumbersome to use as is.

You can get "tree view" for the individual threads in GG, but there's
no way to see where/which the new posts are as far as I can tell.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:36:36 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>
> My guess is that most folks will be using tablets and mobile devices
> using cell phone based OSes and that desktops will be replaced by
> ultraportable type laptops. I know - pretty wacky but that seems to be
> the natural progression of things.

I like the portability factor, so I'm okay with that as long as I can
dock it. Call me a dinosaur, but I prefer using a real keyboard.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

dsi1 wrote:
>On 6/19/2012 9:14 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>> On 6/18/2012 8:19 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> Computing is changing from the way it's been since the 90s. We're all
>>> going to have to change with it whether we like it or not. It's not
>>> necessary that you believe me. Believing that you won't change seems as
>>> likely to happen as refusing to grow up. As it goes, most of
>>> dinosaurs were wiped out by a single event. You techno-dinosaurs are
>>> only around as long as the servers remain active. This seems like a slim
>>> thread to hang your world on.
>>
>> Nonsense. major OS vendors are still creating newer desktop/laptop OS's
>> and even if the mobile ones are improving, our usual way of accessing
>> the web is still alive and well. As long as the "net" has to be a host
>> to the web, the same is true for us clients. You can choose to be
>> mobile, some of us can choose to be couch potatoes for probably many years.
>
>My guess is that most folks will be using tablets and mobile devices
>using cell phone based OSes and that desktops will be replaced by
>ultraportable type laptops. I know - pretty wacky but that seems to be
>the natural progression of things.

That's not true, if not for the desk top OS there'be no mobiles. Desk
top all-in-ones are becoming bigger and better... most folks prefer a
desk top as a primary, and can still bundle on a mobile. I know
people who use mobiles but only as a back up when not at home. Myself
I can't imagine ever using a mobile, I don't even have a cell phone,
have no use for one. I'm not a telephone person... last I made a
personal call has to be over a week ago... the majority of my phone
usage, albeit limited, is for necessesary business appointments;
doctor/dentist, Rx, repairmen... last week the garage door mechanic.
I've been driving for more than 50 years, never once did I have an
urge to make a personal phone call while driving. Even with
passengers I rarely join in the conversation, I'd much rather keep my
attention fully on my driving. I would never want to be a passenger
with a driver who was yakking on their cell phone, better chances were
they drunk on booze. I see those schmucks having telephone
conversations while driving, they'll never admit it but they're
weaving all over the road, they're a menace... it's safer getting a
blowjob while driving.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:22:15 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 6/19/2012 4:33 PM, Krypsis wrote:
>>>
>> Google Groups, for better or worse, brought the masses to Usenet. With
>> the decline in ISPs, such as mine recently, wishing to host newsgroups,
>> Google Groups may eventually be the only way to access newsgroups.

Bullshit, not everyone is a cheapo *******.

>There are still many news server hosts that probably won't succumb to
>google or any other mega hosting empire's decision to stop aggregating
>nntp. The number of active groups might decrease but due to the nature
>of nntp, any server that wants to receive/send messages will do so.

On 6/20/2012 5:51 AM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:36:36 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> My guess is that most folks will be using tablets and mobile devices
>> using cell phone based OSes and that desktops will be replaced by
>> ultraportable type laptops. I know - pretty wacky but that seems to be
>> the natural progression of things.
>
> I like the portability factor, so I'm okay with that as long as I can
> dock it. Call me a dinosaur, but I prefer using a real keyboard.
>

The truth is that most everybody would rather use a real keyboard.

On 6/20/2012 6:07 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> My guess is that most folks will be using tablets and mobile devices
>> using cell phone based OSes and that desktops will be replaced by
>> ultraportable type laptops. I know - pretty wacky but that seems to be
>> the natural progression of things.
>
> That's not true, if not for the desk top OS there'be no mobiles. Desk
> top all-in-ones are becoming bigger and better... most folks prefer a
> desk top as a primary, and can still bundle on a mobile. I know
> people who use mobiles but only as a back up when not at home. Myself
> I can't imagine ever using a mobile, I don't even have a cell phone,
> have no use for one. I'm not a telephone person... last I made a
> personal call has to be over a week ago... the majority of my phone
> usage, albeit limited, is for necessesary business appointments;
> doctor/dentist, Rx, repairmen... last week the garage door mechanic.
> I've been driving for more than 50 years, never once did I have an
> urge to make a personal phone call while driving. Even with
> passengers I rarely join in the conversation, I'd much rather keep my
> attention fully on my driving. I would never want to be a passenger
> with a driver who was yakking on their cell phone, better chances were
> they drunk on booze. I see those schmucks having telephone
> conversations while driving, they'll never admit it but they're
> weaving all over the road, they're a menace... it's safer getting a
> blowjob while driving.
>

There's a lot more iOS and Android OS devices than desktop PCs being
sold these days. I've been saying for years that the battle for the
handheld devices would be fierce and that has come to pass. What I
didn't anticipate is that Microsoft would just completely sit it out.
Windows 8 is an opening salvo in mobile computing OS but unless they
give it away, it's not going to be competitive.

My guess is that for a lot of folks, buying another yet Wintel computer
will be an unattractive proposition. I'm not sure if I'll ever assemble
another desktop computer. Too bad, I enjoyed doing that.

On 6/20/2012 7:59 AM, Al Gore wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:54:44 -1000, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> One thing's for sure - the WWW pretty much changed the course of human
>> history and the ability to connect with the world through a computer has
>> affected every facet of our lives. It's scarey that this one thing could
>> have changed our lives so significantly in such a short time.
>
> That is so profound. Can I quote you on that?
>
> -ag
>

Why? You were the one that said it first.

dsi1 wrote:

> The truth is that most everybody would rather use a real keyboard.

Not true. I've seen people typing fast and sure on those damn
itty-bitty notebooks.

On 6/20/2012 8:47 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> The truth is that most everybody would rather use a real keyboard.
>
> Not true. I've seen people typing fast and sure on those damn
> itty-bitty notebooks.
>
>

If you're saying that people typing fast on little keyboards means that
they prefer little keyboards, I don't get the connection. Mostly it
means that they've adapted to the hardware they're using.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:36:49 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> My guess is that for a lot of folks, buying another yet Wintel computer
> will be an unattractive proposition. I'm not sure if I'll ever assemble
> another desktop computer. Too bad, I enjoyed doing that.

You don't have to assemble anything anymore. My desktop is an
"all-in-one" with bluetooth capability. Everything is wireless and
the monitor contains what used to be in a tower, but it's thinner than
my television is.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

dsi1 wrote:

> >> The truth is that most everybody would rather use a real keyboard.
> >
> > Not true. I've seen people typing fast and sure on those damn
> > itty-bitty notebooks.

> If you're saying that people typing fast on little keyboards means that
> they prefer little keyboards, I don't get the connection. Mostly it
> means that they've adapted to the hardware they're using.

I didn't say that! Stop putting words in my mouth! <ptooey!>

What I meant was those notebook-lovers don't have any preference.
Which, you will note, contradicts your body-hairless assertion about
"everybody". Ha.

On 6/20/2012 9:42 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:36:49 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> My guess is that for a lot of folks, buying another yet Wintel computer
>> will be an unattractive proposition. I'm not sure if I'll ever assemble
>> another desktop computer. Too bad, I enjoyed doing that.
>
> You don't have to assemble anything anymore. My desktop is an
> "all-in-one" with bluetooth capability. Everything is wireless and
> the monitor contains what used to be in a tower, but it's thinner than
> my television is.
>

Those HP systems are pretty nifty. The last systems that I bought were
from Costco for the office I was setting up. I needed the computers
fast. All 3 of them had motherboards/power supplies/hard drives that
died so they all have had their guts replaced. I've never bought any
systems for home use for the last 15 years. Building your own PC won't
save you any money but at least they'll be faster than a system of
comparable price and the power supplies will be better. I like building
stuff anyway. I guess most people don't.

On 6/20/2012 9:54 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>>>> The truth is that most everybody would rather use a real keyboard.
>>>
>>> Not true. I've seen people typing fast and sure on those damn
>>> itty-bitty notebooks.
>
>> If you're saying that people typing fast on little keyboards means that
>> they prefer little keyboards, I don't get the connection. Mostly it
>> means that they've adapted to the hardware they're using.
>
> I didn't say that! Stop putting words in my mouth! <ptooey!>

Sorry, I was trying understand what you were saying. I will do my best
to not do that again.

>
> What I meant was those notebook-lovers don't have any preference.
> Which, you will note, contradicts your body-hairless assertion about
> "everybody". Ha.

Now you're putting words in my mouth! <ptooey!> I never said
"everybody." Strange as it may seem, "most everybody" has a completely
different meaning.

We have a failure to communicate. By "real keyboards" I mean non-virtual
ones. Although I guess we could consider a keyboard that you type with
your thumbs not a real keyboard. I use the virtual keyboard on my iPad
all the time, but that has nothing to do with preference. Mostly it
means I ain't going to pony up $70 for an Apple keyboard.

>
>

On 21/06/2012 1:25 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:06:15 +1000, Krypsis >
> wrote:
>
>> On 20/06/2012 6:59 AM, MotoFox wrote:
>>> And it came to pass that Krypsis delivered the following message unto the
>>> people, saying~
>>>
>>>> Google Groups, for better or worse, brought the masses to Usenet. With the
>>>> decline in ISPs, such as mine recently, wishing to host newsgroups, Google
>>>> Groups may eventually be the only way to access newsgroups.
>>>
>>> Actually AOheLl initially brought "the masses" here, many years before
>>> G--gl- ever came about. Many claim that we've now moved on to October 1993
>>> at long last, since AOheLl dropped its Usenet support several years back,
>>> but G--gl- are really just continuing it. Broadly speaking, the September
>>> that Never Ended, for all practical purposes, still hasn't ended.
>>>
>>> Just saying....
>>>
>> AOL never managed to get a foothold in this country, though they did try
>> very hard. So, for us at least, Google Groups was the beginning of mass
>> entry to Usenet.
>
> What BS, all the major ISPs supported usenet when users had to pay for
> net access.

Do you really know what you're talking about?

> Once technological advances made it possible to log on to
> the net for free with dial-up all ISPs ceased to support usenet and
> most other content included in ones subscription, today everything is
> a la carte.

People could log onto the net for free with dial-up? What planet are you
on? This is earth! Dial-up, when it became available outside of
government and educational organisations, ALWAYS came at a cost. That
is, unless you happened to be in my position where my employer, a
government organisation, provided me with dial-up access to the server
at the workplace.
I had a dial-up connection to the Unix server at work from some time in
the 80s. Had an email account from the beginning. I was using Fidonet
from the mid 80s by dialing into local BBS systems with an acoustic
modem. What dreadful things they were, slow and prone to noise
interference which would drop the connection to the server. A friend of
mine, a senior Telecom employee, used to be one of the primary Fidonet
relays here. He had unlimited phone access from his desk in those days
and used to go into work early every day and spend an hour or two
relaying Fidonet messages to a number of BBS nodes in all the capital
cities.

That said, I subscribed separately to the internet, my own cost, in 1990
or thereabouts. This was, if you recall, before the WWW. I recall using
ELM as my email reader. Cannot recall what I used to access newsgroups
with but it may also have been ELM. I first subscribed to usenet in
1991. The interface was dreadful, a line based editor was all we had. No
graphics on our terminals, just text.

> Yoose noobie pinheads sure endow AOL with inordinate powers.

I am hardly a "noobie" to the internet. As a government employee, I was
on the internet from the very beginning.

> Now AOL is free, but for the same money one can subscribe to
> Forte Agent.

Forte Agent is a news and email client, not an internet subscription, at
least not in this country. I have been a registered user of Forte Agent
since prior to version 1.0 and I paid my first registration fee for the
client program when it was at Beta 0.94, from memory. I registered
because it was a decent client that supported email and usenet and had a
fully functional interface. My registration number is in the first
10,000. I am currently up to version 7 having recently upgraded my
registration.

> It's not at all about AOL, it's all about yoose cheapo
> entitlement *******s always looking for a free tit.

An internet subscription package, in this country at least, ALWAYS came
with access to Usenet. It was part of the deal and was a major selling
point before the WWW came onto the scene. It is only in recent times
that ISPs are dropping Usenet due to LACK OF INTEREST. I am currently
registered with ForteInc for a 3 month trial of their usenet access
plan. I am currently subscribed to the free Eternal September Usenet
access arrangement due to my ISP, Optus, dropping usenet support
recently. I may sign up to ForteInc's Usenet subscription if I find it
better than what I am currently using. I don't do binaries so, for the
moment, ES serves my needs albeit a little slowly.

> I tried Google Groups, it sucks, and constant outages,
> it's free like ice in the winter.

Google Groups is only free if you discount your initial subscription
with your ISP to the internet. It is being monetised differently so,
whilst it appears to be free, there is a cost. At the moment, that cost
seems to be your privacy, not to mention you ability to tolerate a
painful interface. I don't bother with Google Groups. I prefer to use
Forte Agent and Thunderbird to access mail and Usenet.

> In over two years I never once launched Agent and it didn't
> work flawlessly. I sign on with Verizon but I don't care for their
> layout so for email and surfing I still use AOL. Over the years I've
> used several ISPs but none have as user friendly a layout as AOL. I

AOL are a bunch of control freaks! They direct your entire internet
experience. If they don't like it, you don't get it. You have to do
everything their way.

> think the Verizon web page is a disaster, so is Comcast, Optonline,
> RoadRunner, and others. I'd not be at all surprised if now that it's
> free all yoose AOL bashers have AOL loaded on your PC.
>
You don't read so well, do you. AOL NEVER CAUGHT ON HERE. We used to get
free disks, free CDs, all sorts of enticements, but people here rejected
AOL and their locked in interface out of hand. Eventually they gave up.
The other ISPs you mention, they have never been seen in this country. I
daresay, therefore, that YOUR situation and MINE are entirely DIFFERENT.

The biggest problem with Usenet, as I see it, is that in order to get
the best experience you need to use a client of some form. I use
Thunderbird and Forte Agent. Many of the recent arrivals to the internet
don't know how to set up such a client (or care). The only interface
they have to the internet is their browser. That limits them to Google
Groups and, before that, DejaNews.

Now you AOL loser noobie, it's your turn!

--

Krypsis

On 21/06/2012 2:12 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:22:15 -0400, Cheryl >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/19/2012 4:33 PM, Krypsis wrote:
>>>>
>>> Google Groups, for better or worse, brought the masses to Usenet. With
>>> the decline in ISPs, such as mine recently, wishing to host newsgroups,
>>> Google Groups may eventually be the only way to access newsgroups.
>
> Bullshit, not everyone is a cheapo *******.
>
>> There are still many news server hosts that probably won't succumb to
>> google or any other mega hosting empire's decision to stop aggregating
>> nntp. The number of active groups might decrease but due to the nature
>> of nntp, any server that wants to receive/send messages will do so.

You may use Agent but you still don't know how to reply properly. You
responded to Cheryl but addressed my post. What a clueless noobie!

--

Krypsis

On 21/06/2012 5:16 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 8:47 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> The truth is that most everybody would rather use a real keyboard.
>>
>> Not true. I've seen people typing fast and sure on those damn
>> itty-bitty notebooks.
>>
>>
>
> If you're saying that people typing fast on little keyboards means that
> they prefer little keyboards, I don't get the connection. Mostly it
> means that they've adapted to the hardware they're using.

Or they have small fingers. My pudgy fingers means I hit 2 or 3 keys at
the same time. A real pita!

--

Krypsis

On 21/06/2012 2:07 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 6/19/2012 9:14 PM, Cheryl wrote:
>>> On 6/18/2012 8:19 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Computing is changing from the way it's been since the 90s. We're all
>>>> going to have to change with it whether we like it or not. It's not
>>>> necessary that you believe me. Believing that you won't change seems as
>>>> likely to happen as refusing to grow up. As it goes, most of
>>>> dinosaurs were wiped out by a single event. You techno-dinosaurs are
>>>> only around as long as the servers remain active. This seems like a slim
>>>> thread to hang your world on.
>>>
>>> Nonsense. major OS vendors are still creating newer desktop/laptop OS's
>>> and even if the mobile ones are improving, our usual way of accessing
>>> the web is still alive and well. As long as the "net" has to be a host
>>> to the web, the same is true for us clients. You can choose to be
>>> mobile, some of us can choose to be couch potatoes for probably many years.
>>
>> My guess is that most folks will be using tablets and mobile devices
>> using cell phone based OSes and that desktops will be replaced by
>> ultraportable type laptops. I know - pretty wacky but that seems to be
>> the natural progression of things.
>
> That's not true, if not for the desk top OS there'be no mobiles. Desk
> top all-in-ones are becoming bigger and better... most folks prefer a
> desk top as a primary, and can still bundle on a mobile. I know
> people who use mobiles but only as a back up when not at home. Myself
> I can't imagine ever using a mobile, I don't even have a cell phone,
> have no use for one. I'm not a telephone person... last I made a
> personal call has to be over a week ago... the majority of my phone
> usage, albeit limited, is for necessesary business appointments;
> doctor/dentist, Rx, repairmen... last week the garage door mechanic.
> I've been driving for more than 50 years, never once did I have an
> urge to make a personal phone call while driving. Even with
> passengers I rarely join in the conversation, I'd much rather keep my
> attention fully on my driving. I would never want to be a passenger
> with a driver who was yakking on their cell phone, better chances were
> they drunk on booze. I see those schmucks having telephone
> conversations while driving, they'll never admit it but they're
> weaving all over the road, they're a menace... it's safer getting a
> blowjob while driving.
>
You still dreamin'? You'd be lucky to have a woman within cooee of you!

--

Krypsis

On 21/06/2012 5:59 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 9:42 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:36:49 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> My guess is that for a lot of folks, buying another yet Wintel computer
>>> will be an unattractive proposition. I'm not sure if I'll ever assemble
>>> another desktop computer. Too bad, I enjoyed doing that.
>>
>> You don't have to assemble anything anymore. My desktop is an
>> "all-in-one" with bluetooth capability. Everything is wireless and
>> the monitor contains what used to be in a tower, but it's thinner than
>> my television is.
>>
>
> Those HP systems are pretty nifty. The last systems that I bought were
> from Costco for the office I was setting up. I needed the computers
> fast. All 3 of them had motherboards/power supplies/hard drives that
> died so they all have had their guts replaced. I've never bought any
> systems for home use for the last 15 years. Building your own PC won't
> save you any money but at least they'll be faster than a system of
> comparable price and the power supplies will be better. I like building
> stuff anyway. I guess most people don't.
>
The other advantage is that you can upgrade or fix them yourself. These
all in ones and laptops don't lend themselves to that. Apart from my
Macs, I build all my own computers from parts that I evaluate for
suitability for my needs. Currently surounded by 4 PCs that I built
myself. Like you, I like rolling my own hardware. That way I get what I
want, not what someone else thinks I want.

--

Krypsis

On 6/20/2012 11:28 AM, Krypsis wrote:
> On 21/06/2012 5:16 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 6/20/2012 8:47 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> The truth is that most everybody would rather use a real keyboard.
>>>
>>> Not true. I've seen people typing fast and sure on those damn
>>> itty-bitty notebooks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you're saying that people typing fast on little keyboards means that
>> they prefer little keyboards, I don't get the connection. Mostly it
>> means that they've adapted to the hardware they're using.
>
> Or they have small fingers. My pudgy fingers means I hit 2 or 3 keys at
> the same time. A real pita!
>

Now that I think about it, maybe young folks do prefer little bitty
keyboards to regular ones. I'll have to ask my daughter. She's been
typing several hundred text messages a day. I always thought my fingers
were slim and nimble but trying to type on my cell is like trying to cut
coupons out of a newspaper with a baseball bat.

On 21/06/2012 7:38 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 6/20/2012 11:28 AM, Krypsis wrote:
>> On 21/06/2012 5:16 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 6/20/2012 8:47 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The truth is that most everybody would rather use a real keyboard.
>>>>
>>>> Not true. I've seen people typing fast and sure on those damn
>>>> itty-bitty notebooks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you're saying that people typing fast on little keyboards means that
>>> they prefer little keyboards, I don't get the connection. Mostly it
>>> means that they've adapted to the hardware they're using.
>>
>> Or they have small fingers. My pudgy fingers means I hit 2 or 3 keys at
>> the same time. A real pita!
>>
>
> Now that I think about it, maybe young folks do prefer little bitty
> keyboards to regular ones. I'll have to ask my daughter. She's been
> typing several hundred text messages a day. I always thought my fingers
> were slim and nimble but trying to type on my cell is like trying to cut
> coupons out of a newspaper with a baseball bat.

LOL I can relate to that!

--

Krypsis

On 6/20/2012 11:34 AM, Krypsis wrote:

> The other advantage is that you can upgrade or fix them yourself. These
> all in ones and laptops don't lend themselves to that. Apart from my
> Macs, I build all my own computers from parts that I evaluate for
> suitability for my needs. Currently surounded by 4 PCs that I built
> myself. Like you, I like rolling my own hardware. That way I get what I
> want, not what someone else thinks I want.
>

The last few years have been fun. Everything is all modular and works
together well. The computer component market has been very competitive
which keeps prices down and you have so much different hardware to
choose from. If you're smart, you can build a high performance machine
really cheaply. OTOH, if you want only the latest and greatest stuff,
there's going to be a big jump in prices. It's a lot cheaper a couple of
gens back which is where I hang.

I really get the feeling that this great stuff that we have is going to
go away soon. Maybe I'll build one last machine for my son. That would
be good.

I was fully expecting that by this time, all the drives would be using
optical data buses. That would be cool. Looks like that won't be
happening. That's the breaks.

I recently had to get a new cell phone and got conned by my daughter
into getting an iPhone 4S. It's an OK phone. After a few days, it
occurred to me that if the thing went bad, I'd be screwed until I got
another iPhone replacement. I can't have the phone down for more than an
hour or so because it's a business line. I also realized that I'd be
screwed too when the battery needed to be replaced. I switched the phone
to an Motorola Photon. If the phone dies on me, I just switch out the
SIM card to one of the phones I got laying around. When my battery
starts refusing to hold a charge, I just pop in a new one. How freaking
easy is that? OTOH, easy as pie in an Android.

"Krypsis" > wrote in message
...
> On 21/06/2012 1:25 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:06:15 +1000, Krypsis >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/06/2012 6:59 AM, MotoFox wrote:
>>>> And it came to pass that Krypsis delivered the following message unto
>>>> the
>>>> people, saying~
>>>>
>>>>> Google Groups, for better or worse, brought the masses to Usenet. With
>>>>> the
>>>>> decline in ISPs, such as mine recently, wishing to host newsgroups,
>>>>> Google
>>>>> Groups may eventually be the only way to access newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>> Actually AOheLl initially brought "the masses" here, many years before
>>>> G--gl- ever came about. Many claim that we've now moved on to October
>>>> 1993
>>>> at long last, since AOheLl dropped its Usenet support several years
>>>> back,
>>>> but G--gl- are really just continuing it. Broadly speaking, the
>>>> September
>>>> that Never Ended, for all practical purposes, still hasn't ended.
>>>>
>>>> Just saying....
>>>>
>>> AOL never managed to get a foothold in this country, though they did try
>>> very hard. So, for us at least, Google Groups was the beginning of mass
>>> entry to Usenet.
>>
>> What BS, all the major ISPs supported usenet when users had to pay for
>> net access.
>
> Do you really know what you're talking about?
>
>> Once technological advances made it possible to log on to
>> the net for free with dial-up all ISPs ceased to support usenet and
>> most other content included in ones subscription, today everything is
>> a la carte.
>
> People could log onto the net for free with dial-up?

netzero was free and there were a few others. One that began with a P?
Anyway, netzero was slow and 1/3 of the screen was adverts. I put paper
over that part of the screen... One day it gave me a message "you can run
but you can't hide" and it would bounce around the screen like a pong puck.
I don't know what the message was about and it didn't go away, so I did.

oh yeah, Kmart had a free service for a while too. It actually wasn't too
bad. I think it was bluelight or something like that.

On 6/20/2012 2:31 PM, Somebody wrote:
>
> netzero was free and there were a few others. One that began with a P?
> Anyway, netzero was slow and 1/3 of the screen was adverts. I put paper
> over that part of the screen... One day it gave me a message "you can run
> but you can't hide" and it would bounce around the screen like a pong puck.
> I don't know what the message was about and it didn't go away, so I did.
>
> oh yeah, Kmart had a free service for a while too. It actually wasn't too
> bad. I think it was bluelight or something like that.
>

Prodigy was a big dial-up internet gateway service. I was a member like
a lot of people. I remember that it was somehow affiliated with Sears
(!). It was a good service but after a while, some unpopular moves cause
folks to drop out en masse. Evidently Netflix has followed Prodigy's
business model to great effect.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/20/2012 2:31 PM, Somebody wrote:
>>
>> netzero was free and there were a few others. One that began with a P?
>> Anyway, netzero was slow and 1/3 of the screen was adverts. I put paper
>> over that part of the screen... One day it gave me a message "you can
>> run
>> but you can't hide" and it would bounce around the screen like a pong
>> puck.
>> I don't know what the message was about and it didn't go away, so I did.
>>
>> oh yeah, Kmart had a free service for a while too. It actually wasn't
>> too
>> bad. I think it was bluelight or something like that.
>>
>
> Prodigy was a big dial-up internet gateway service. I was a member like a
> lot of people. I remember that it was somehow affiliated with Sears (!).
> It was a good service but after a while, some unpopular moves cause folks
> to drop out en masse. Evidently Netflix has followed Prodigy's business
> model to great effect.


I used Prodigy for a while... The other one I was trying to think of was
Juno. Juno and Netzero are still around.

On 6/20/2012 4:11 PM, Somebody wrote:
>
> I used Prodigy for a while... The other one I was trying to think of was
> Juno. Juno and Netzero are still around.
>
>

I used Juno too. As I recall, it was an email service. Oh boy! That sure
seemed like the cat's pajamas at the time. I guess now days we'd think
it was pretty lame.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/20/2012 4:11 PM, Somebody wrote:
>>
>> I used Prodigy for a while... The other one I was trying to think of was
>> Juno. Juno and Netzero are still around.
>>
>>
>
> I used Juno too. As I recall, it was an email service. Oh boy! That sure
> seemed like the cat's pajamas at the time. I guess now days we'd think it
> was pretty lame.


I liked Juno though I think that was the one with the eye. I found that a
bit disturbing... I remember when I discovered Gozilla! and I would leave
the computer on all night so it would d/l an episode of South Park.
Sometimes I would forget to turn down the volume though, and it would do
that loud yell when it finished downloading in the middle of the night.
Gozilla had that feature where it would start the download from where it
left off if you lost the connection, which happened a fair amount with
dial-up. I thought it was so cool that the download didn't have to start
all over again from the beginning! (With dialup that was a big deal.)

On 6/20/2012 4:34 PM, Somebody wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 6/20/2012 4:11 PM, Somebody wrote:
>>>
>>> I used Prodigy for a while... The other one I was trying to think of was
>>> Juno. Juno and Netzero are still around.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I used Juno too. As I recall, it was an email service. Oh boy! That sure
>> seemed like the cat's pajamas at the time. I guess now days we'd think it
>> was pretty lame.
>
>
> I liked Juno though I think that was the one with the eye. I found that a
> bit disturbing... I remember when I discovered Gozilla! and I would leave
> the computer on all night so it would d/l an episode of South Park.
> Sometimes I would forget to turn down the volume though, and it would do
> that loud yell when it finished downloading in the middle of the night.
> Gozilla had that feature where it would start the download from where it
> left off if you lost the connection, which happened a fair amount with
> dial-up. I thought it was so cool that the download didn't have to start
> all over again from the beginning! (With dialup that was a big deal.)
>
>

I miss those good old days! *























* Of course, I'm kidding. :-)

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/20/2012 4:34 PM, Somebody wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/20/2012 4:11 PM, Somebody wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I used Prodigy for a while... The other one I was trying to think of
>>>> was
>>>> Juno. Juno and Netzero are still around.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I used Juno too. As I recall, it was an email service. Oh boy! That sure
>>> seemed like the cat's pajamas at the time. I guess now days we'd think
>>> it
>>> was pretty lame.
>>
>>
>> I liked Juno though I think that was the one with the eye. I found that
>> a
>> bit disturbing... I remember when I discovered Gozilla! and I would
>> leave
>> the computer on all night so it would d/l an episode of South Park.
>> Sometimes I would forget to turn down the volume though, and it would do
>> that loud yell when it finished downloading in the middle of the night.
>> Gozilla had that feature where it would start the download from where it
>> left off if you lost the connection, which happened a fair amount with
>> dial-up. I thought it was so cool that the download didn't have to start
>> all over again from the beginning! (With dialup that was a big deal.)
>>
>>
>
> I miss those good old days! *
>
>
>
>
> * Of course, I'm kidding. :-)

kids have it too easy these days. Downloading entire songs in seconds... In
my day, it took hours and sometimes you lost the connection just when it was
about to finish! Made you appreciate things more.

I'm going to go sit on the porch now and shake my cane at the neighborhood
kids, and yell at them to keep off my lawn!

On 21/06/2012 10:31 AM, Somebody wrote:
> "Krypsis" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 21/06/2012 1:25 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:06:15 +1000, Krypsis >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/06/2012 6:59 AM, MotoFox wrote:
>>>>> And it came to pass that Krypsis delivered the following message unto
>>>>> the
>>>>> people, saying~
>>>>>
>>>>>> Google Groups, for better or worse, brought the masses to Usenet. With
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> decline in ISPs, such as mine recently, wishing to host newsgroups,
>>>>>> Google
>>>>>> Groups may eventually be the only way to access newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually AOheLl initially brought "the masses" here, many years before
>>>>> G--gl- ever came about. Many claim that we've now moved on to October
>>>>> 1993
>>>>> at long last, since AOheLl dropped its Usenet support several years
>>>>> back,
>>>>> but G--gl- are really just continuing it. Broadly speaking, the
>>>>> September
>>>>> that Never Ended, for all practical purposes, still hasn't ended.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just saying....
>>>>>
>>>> AOL never managed to get a foothold in this country, though they did try
>>>> very hard. So, for us at least, Google Groups was the beginning of mass
>>>> entry to Usenet.
>>>
>>> What BS, all the major ISPs supported usenet when users had to pay for
>>> net access.
>>
>> Do you really know what you're talking about?
>>
>>> Once technological advances made it possible to log on to
>>> the net for free with dial-up all ISPs ceased to support usenet and
>>> most other content included in ones subscription, today everything is
>>> a la carte.
>>
>> People could log onto the net for free with dial-up?
>
> netzero was free and there were a few others. One that began with a P?
> Anyway, netzero was slow and 1/3 of the screen was adverts. I put paper
> over that part of the screen... One day it gave me a message "you can run
> but you can't hide" and it would bounce around the screen like a pong puck.
> I don't know what the message was about and it didn't go away, so I did.
>
> oh yeah, Kmart had a free service for a while too. It actually wasn't too
> bad. I think it was bluelight or something like that.
>
It's never "free". There's always a catch!

--

Krypsis

On 6/20/2012 4:56 PM, Somebody wrote:
>
> kids have it too easy these days. Downloading entire songs in seconds... In
> my day, it took hours and sometimes you lost the connection just when it was
> about to finish! Made you appreciate things more.

Kids won't ever believe that it sometimes took hours to download stuff.
I can hardly believe it myself.

>
> I'm going to go sit on the porch now and shake my cane at the neighborhood
> kids, and yell at them to keep off my lawn!
>

"Krypsis" > wrote in message
...
> On 21/06/2012 10:31 AM, Somebody wrote:
>> "Krypsis" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 21/06/2012 1:25 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:06:15 +1000, Krypsis >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/06/2012 6:59 AM, MotoFox wrote:
>>>>>> And it came to pass that Krypsis delivered the following message unto
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> people, saying~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Google Groups, for better or worse, brought the masses to Usenet.
>>>>>>> With
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> decline in ISPs, such as mine recently, wishing to host newsgroups,
>>>>>>> Google
>>>>>>> Groups may eventually be the only way to access newsgroups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually AOheLl initially brought "the masses" here, many years
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> G--gl- ever came about. Many claim that we've now moved on to October
>>>>>> 1993
>>>>>> at long last, since AOheLl dropped its Usenet support several years
>>>>>> back,
>>>>>> but G--gl- are really just continuing it. Broadly speaking, the
>>>>>> September
>>>>>> that Never Ended, for all practical purposes, still hasn't ended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just saying....
>>>>>>
>>>>> AOL never managed to get a foothold in this country, though they did
>>>>> try
>>>>> very hard. So, for us at least, Google Groups was the beginning of
>>>>> mass
>>>>> entry to Usenet.
>>>>
>>>> What BS, all the major ISPs supported usenet when users had to pay for
>>>> net access.
>>>
>>> Do you really know what you're talking about?
>>>
>>>> Once technological advances made it possible to log on to
>>>> the net for free with dial-up all ISPs ceased to support usenet and
>>>> most other content included in ones subscription, today everything is
>>>> a la carte.
>>>
>>> People could log onto the net for free with dial-up?
>>
>> netzero was free and there were a few others. One that began with a P?
>> Anyway, netzero was slow and 1/3 of the screen was adverts. I put paper
>> over that part of the screen... One day it gave me a message "you can
>> run
>> but you can't hide" and it would bounce around the screen like a pong
>> puck.
>> I don't know what the message was about and it didn't go away, so I did.
>>
>> oh yeah, Kmart had a free service for a while too. It actually wasn't
>> too
>> bad. I think it was bluelight or something like that.
>>
> It's never "free". There's always a catch!

Yes, K Mart did have free Internet but I think you were limited to how many
hours per month you could use it. But then in those days that was pretty
common with many ISPs.

Offering free Internet could have been a benefit to them because then people
could shop online.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/20/2012 4:56 PM, Somebody wrote:
>>
>> kids have it too easy these days. Downloading entire songs in seconds...
>> In
>> my day, it took hours and sometimes you lost the connection just when it
>> was
>> about to finish! Made you appreciate things more.
>
> Kids won't ever believe that it sometimes took hours to download stuff. I
> can hardly believe it myself.

And that there were other places to download things beside iTunes. And if
something didn't exist on iTunes that didn't mean it didn't exist. And
people actually bought CDs and didn't just download mp3s. I remember
finding things that weren't out on DVDs (back when DVDs barely existed) and
being so happy finding obscure things. Now, just about anything is out
there. Kids don't have to learn how to do research, and learn about the
gray market, and participate in tape swapping (actual tapes via the mail)
like the old days.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Krypsis" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 21/06/2012 10:31 AM, Somebody wrote:
>>> "Krypsis" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 21/06/2012 1:25 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:06:15 +1000, Krypsis >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/06/2012 6:59 AM, MotoFox wrote:
>>>>>>> And it came to pass that Krypsis delivered the following message
>>>>>>> unto
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> people, saying~
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Google Groups, for better or worse, brought the masses to Usenet.
>>>>>>>> With
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> decline in ISPs, such as mine recently, wishing to host newsgroups,
>>>>>>>> Google
>>>>>>>> Groups may eventually be the only way to access newsgroups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually AOheLl initially brought "the masses" here, many years
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> G--gl- ever came about. Many claim that we've now moved on to
>>>>>>> October
>>>>>>> 1993
>>>>>>> at long last, since AOheLl dropped its Usenet support several years
>>>>>>> back,
>>>>>>> but G--gl- are really just continuing it. Broadly speaking, the
>>>>>>> September
>>>>>>> that Never Ended, for all practical purposes, still hasn't ended.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just saying....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> AOL never managed to get a foothold in this country, though they did
>>>>>> try
>>>>>> very hard. So, for us at least, Google Groups was the beginning of
>>>>>> mass
>>>>>> entry to Usenet.
>>>>>
>>>>> What BS, all the major ISPs supported usenet when users had to pay for
>>>>> net access.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really know what you're talking about?
>>>>
>>>>> Once technological advances made it possible to log on to
>>>>> the net for free with dial-up all ISPs ceased to support usenet and
>>>>> most other content included in ones subscription, today everything is
>>>>> a la carte.
>>>>
>>>> People could log onto the net for free with dial-up?
>>>
>>> netzero was free and there were a few others. One that began with a P?
>>> Anyway, netzero was slow and 1/3 of the screen was adverts. I put paper
>>> over that part of the screen... One day it gave me a message "you can
>>> run
>>> but you can't hide" and it would bounce around the screen like a pong
>>> puck.
>>> I don't know what the message was about and it didn't go away, so I did.
>>>
>>> oh yeah, Kmart had a free service for a while too. It actually wasn't
>>> too
>>> bad. I think it was bluelight or something like that.
>>>
>> It's never "free". There's always a catch!
>
> Yes, K Mart did have free Internet but I think you were limited to how
> many hours per month you could use it. But then in those days that was
> pretty common with many ISPs.
>
> Offering free Internet could have been a benefit to them because then
> people could shop online.

Remember what it was like when you actually had to leave the house to go
shopping?

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:59:10 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> Building your own PC won't
> save you any money but at least they'll be faster than a system of
> comparable price and the power supplies will be better. I like building
> stuff anyway. I guess most people don't.

No, they don't. I priced out having someone else build a computer for
me a long time ago and the numbers were more expensive than if I
bought it from Micron or wherever it was that I bought my computer at
the time. This one was quite a deal because it was last September
when HP thought it was giving up its computer arm, so everything was
going at fire sale prices. We got a couple of $50-100 credits on our
card because the price on my computer kept dropping until the model
number changed. All you had to do was "ask" and they gave you the
credit! Of course, you had to be on top of it enough to track the
price in the first place because they weren't going to do it
automatically.

--

You are what you eat, so avoid fruitcake and nuts.