Well...Happy 4th in advance.

I've got the day off tomorrow as most of you do. I have some Nathans all
beef hotdogs to eat but I think I'll run to the grocery store tomorrow
morning and buy some barbeque meat, some fresh buns, salty chips (Lays
classic) and......some cole slaw for the sandwiches (hi, Jill!)

Gary

Don't forget - tomorrow on ESPN and ESPN2 is the annual Hot dog eating
contest. I enjoy watching that. If I hadn't seen it before, I would have
never believed that someone could eat 60+ hotdogs on buns in 10-12 minutes.

Gary :-D

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 17:19:19 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Well...Happy 4th in advance.
>
>I've got the day off tomorrow as most of you do. I have some Nathans all
>beef hotdogs to eat but I think I'll run to the grocery store tomorrow
>morning and buy some barbeque meat, some fresh buns, salty chips (Lays
>classic) and......some cole slaw for the sandwiches (hi, Jill!)
>
>Gary
>
>Don't forget - tomorrow on ESPN and ESPN2 is the annual Hot dog eating
>contest. I enjoy watching that. If I hadn't seen it before, I would have
>never believed that someone could eat 60+ hotdogs on buns in 10-12 minutes.

I'm sure plenty of folks can eat more in private but they're too
embarrassed in public.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 17:19:19 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >Don't forget - tomorrow on ESPN and ESPN2 is the annual Hot dog eating
> >contest. I enjoy watching that. If I hadn't seen it before, I would have
> >never believed that someone could eat 60+ hotdogs on buns in 10-12 minutes.
>

> I'm sure plenty of folks can eat more in private but they're too
> embarrassed in public.

Whenever I eat hotdogs, I'll make 2-3. That satisfys me fine for the day.
If I was going to push it to the limit and see how many I could eat in 10-12
minutes...I'm guessing I might wolf down maybe 10 of them? And then I would
feel sick for a good while.

To think of cramming down 60+ in that short time is completely inconceivable
to me. As I said, I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it for myself.

G.

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 17:19:19 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Well...Happy 4th in advance.
>
>I've got the day off tomorrow as most of you do. I have some Nathans all
>beef hotdogs to eat but I think I'll run to the grocery store tomorrow
>morning and buy some barbeque meat, some fresh buns, salty chips (Lays
>classic) and......some cole slaw for the sandwiches (hi, Jill!)
>
>Gary


I have a couple of chickens for the rotisserie. Season them and let
it go for 90 minutes or so.

If the weather is OK, I'll be working on my deck. I'm replacing the
old deck boards with new Brazilian Tiger Wood boards. I'm about 1/3
done but every time I want to get started, rain ruins it for me. May
again tomorrow.

I'm really impressed with the way this looks so next year I'll replace
the railing around it too. It is supposed to last 25 years untreated,
but I'm putting oil on them so it can go 50+ years, not that I care. I
doubt I'll see the first 25.

On 7/4/2012 12:09 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 17:19:19 -0400, > wrote:
>
>> Well...Happy 4th in advance.
>>
>> I've got the day off tomorrow as most of you do. I have some Nathans all
>> beef hotdogs to eat but I think I'll run to the grocery store tomorrow
>> morning and buy some barbeque meat, some fresh buns, salty chips (Lays
>> classic) and......some cole slaw for the sandwiches (hi, Jill!)
>>
>> Gary
>
>
> I have a couple of chickens for the rotisserie. Season them and let
> it go for 90 minutes or so.
>
> If the weather is OK, I'll be working on my deck. I'm replacing the
> old deck boards with new Brazilian Tiger Wood boards. I'm about 1/3
> done but every time I want to get started, rain ruins it for me. May
> again tomorrow.
>
> I'm really impressed with the way this looks so next year I'll replace
> the railing around it too. It is supposed to last 25 years untreated,
> but I'm putting oil on them so it can go 50+ years, not that I care. I
> doubt I'll see the first 25.

Are the boards composite? 25 - 50 years is impressive so worth it! I
have a huge deck, more than I can use but it came with the house. My
brother built it. I got a treatment done last fall called Deck Helmet
which is a composite coating about the thickness of a credit card. They
replaced several planks before they cleaned and coated and it should be
maintenance-free for 10 years. It was expensive but just to hire
someone to clean and seal it last time cost me $1000, but they also
power washed the siding so it's hard to say for just the deck. It looks
gorgeous and everyone who's seen it loves it.
http://www.deckhelmet.com/

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 03:09:02 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:



>>
>> I'm really impressed with the way this looks so next year I'll replace
>> the railing around it too. It is supposed to last 25 years untreated,
>> but I'm putting oil on them so it can go 50+ years, not that I care. I
>> doubt I'll see the first 25.
>
>Are the boards composite? 25 - 50 years is impressive so worth it! I
>have a huge deck, more than I can use but it came with the house. My
>brother built it. I got a treatment done last fall called Deck Helmet
>which is a composite coating about the thickness of a credit card. They
>replaced several planks before they cleaned and coated and it should be
>maintenance-free for 10 years. It was expensive but just to hire
>someone to clean and seal it last time cost me $1000, but they also
>power washed the siding so it's hard to say for just the deck. It looks
>gorgeous and everyone who's seen it loves it.
>http://www.deckhelmet.com/
>

No, this is real hardwood
http://www.advantagelumber.com/tigerwood_decking.htm

There are a few woods that are great for decks and long lasting. To
do a 12 x 16 deck was about $1900 delivered. I was considering a
composite, but I just like real wood better. I'm putting on a coat of
Penofin oil before installing it.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
>I would have never believed that someone could eat 60+ hotdogs on buns in
>10-12 minutes.


There are some things people shouldn't do.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...

> No, this is real hardwood
> http://www.advantagelumber.com/tigerwood_decking.htm
>
> There are a few woods that are great for decks and long lasting. To
> do a 12 x 16 deck was about $1900 delivered. I was considering a
> composite, but I just like real wood better. I'm putting on a coat of
> Penofin oil before installing it.


The roofer who has a "deck guy" said about 1500 to 2k to fix up the deck.
Deck guy mumbled 2-2,500k when he was here and I asked. Yesterday, he
called and said $3,000. He said treated wood for the floorboards is
expensive.

Maybe I will just have someone replace the 3-4 spongy boards. And replace
the railing top boards that are warped, and cracked. It's not like I'm
going to live here forever and maybe the new owner won't even care for a
deck. People hardly go outside anymore anyway. Not to just sit on a deck
and lounge around. I rarely see anyone sit on a porch anymore.

On 7/3/12 5:19 PM, Gary wrote:
> Well...Happy 4th in advance.

Thanks
>
> I've got the day off tomorrow as most of you do.

They *begged* me to work extra today... nuh uh.. got family in town to
entertain.

>I have some Nathans all
> beef hotdogs to eat but I think I'll run to the grocery store tomorrow
> morning and buy some barbeque meat, some fresh buns, salty chips (Lays
> classic) and......some cole slaw for the sandwiches (hi, Jill!)
>
> Gary
>
Many charitable organizations/pits do BBQ on the 3rd and 4th and you go
early and buy it by the pound to take home. They sell until its gone
(often early) and then they close up shop.
I'm doing beef sirloin shish kababs (America's Test Kitchen recipe but
it's more a procedural recipe and works WONDERFULLY so that each kabab
has beef, pineapple, red and orange peppers and red onions yet each
component is cooked perfectly because of the way its cut and sized).
Also on the menu is Alton Brown's baked beans (but done in the crock
pot, hope it works!) red potato salad, spicy sweet cole slaw, lots of
varieties of pickles, watermelon, jamocha brownies with ice cream.
The bar is all set up for adult frozen bevs out at the pool and snow
cones for the kids.
I even splurged on firecrackers to play with.
Salut!
Goomba

Goomba wrote:
>
> On 7/3/12 5:19 PM, Gary wrote:
> > Well...Happy 4th in advance.
>
> Thanks
> >
> > I've got the day off tomorrow as most of you do.
>
> They *begged* me to work extra today... nuh uh.. got family in town to
> entertain.
>
> >I have some Nathans all
> > beef hotdogs to eat but I think I'll run to the grocery store tomorrow
> > morning and buy some barbeque meat, some fresh buns, salty chips (Lays
> > classic) and......some cole slaw for the sandwiches (hi, Jill!)
> >
> > Gary
> >
> Many charitable organizations/pits do BBQ on the 3rd and 4th and you go
> early and buy it by the pound to take home. They sell until its gone
> (often early) and then they close up shop.
> I'm doing beef sirloin shish kababs (America's Test Kitchen recipe but
> it's more a procedural recipe and works WONDERFULLY so that each kabab
> has beef, pineapple, red and orange peppers and red onions yet each
> component is cooked perfectly because of the way its cut and sized).
> Also on the menu is Alton Brown's baked beans (but done in the crock
> pot, hope it works!) red potato salad, spicy sweet cole slaw, lots of
> varieties of pickles, watermelon, jamocha brownies with ice cream.
> The bar is all set up for adult frozen bevs out at the pool and snow
> cones for the kids.
> I even splurged on firecrackers to play with.
> Salut!
> Goomba

Well, just let me know when to show up at your house for the food!
Sounds much more elaborate and better than mine.

That said though, I'll be very happy with the BBQ sandwiches WITH coleslaw
on top. Lay's Classic chips were way too expensive this week so I went to an
equal brand that cost me about 1/2 the price.... Utz Salt & Pepper chips.
oh yeah!@

Gary

On 2012-07-04, Goomba > wrote:

> Many charitable organizations/pits do BBQ on the 3rd and 4th and you
> go early and buy it by the pound to take home. They sell until its
> gone (often early) and then they close up shop. I'm doing beef
> sirloin shish kababs (America's Test Kitchen recipe but it's more a
> procedural recipe and works WONDERFULLY so that each kabab has beef,
> pineapple, red and orange peppers and red onions yet each component
> is cooked perfectly because of the way its cut and sized). Also on
> the menu is Alton Brown's baked beans (but done in the crock pot,
> hope it works!) red potato salad, spicy sweet cole slaw, lots of
> varieties of pickles, watermelon, jamocha brownies with ice cream.
> The bar is all set up for adult frozen bevs out at the pool and snow
> cones for the kids. I even splurged on firecrackers to play with.
> Salut! Goomba

I didn't do Q, red flag and all that and I no gots gas grill. So, put
my crab boil rubbbed big butt (gee, that really sounds bad!) in oven
last night and roasted fer 7hrs. Pull pork! Will make slaw and beans
and gots beer and 'tini tools. No fireworks. Even display/shows have
been cancelled.

Supposed ta' precipitate this afternoon so will should cool down.
Thank goodness. Long range weather shows general cool down in comming
days. First time I ever seen it hotter before the 4th than after.

FYI: If you get Netflix streaming, watch The Revolution. I watched it
the last couple days and it's very enligtening and endlessly
fascinating. Definitely not that Disney/Johnny Tremain pap we were
fed as kids. The Amercian Revolution was no walk in the park and the
French undoubtedly saved our bacon, not one wit less than we later
saved theirs. So if you fry up a batch today, they should justly be
called "French Fries" in well deserved honor and rightly so.

Happy 4th of July!!

nb

--
vi ...the heart of evil! --notbob
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 08:38:44 -0400, Somebody wrote:

> I rarely see anyone sit on a porch anymore.

Sitting on a porch/stoop isn't an activity. It's a state of mind.

--

-Jeff B.


"Freedom Through Vigilance"

Yeff wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 08:38:44 -0400, Somebody wrote:
>
> > I rarely see anyone sit on a porch anymore.
>
> Sitting on a porch/stoop isn't an activity. It's a state of mind.

In the old days before AC, people often sat out on their front and back
porches in the evening to escape the indoor heat. Since AC, back porches
are often closed in to make sunrooms and the front porches remain vacant.

G.

On 2012-07-04, Yeff > wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 08:38:44 -0400, Somebody wrote:
>
>> I rarely see anyone sit on a porch anymore.
>
> Sitting on a porch/stoop isn't an activity. It's a state of mind.

It's virtually a religion, here, where both covered and uncovered
decks are a common extension of the many permanent travel trailers
and park model homes. Also, the cool afternoons and light insect
activity make it a nice way to spend a Summer evening. There's two
new decks going up this very minute, the electric sanders droning all
day long, and I'm trying to get an estimate on redoing/upgrading ours.

nb

--
vi --the heart of evil!
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Yeff wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 08:38:44 -0400, Somebody wrote:
>>
>> > I rarely see anyone sit on a porch anymore.
>>
>> Sitting on a porch/stoop isn't an activity. It's a state of mind.
>
> In the old days before AC, people often sat out on their front and back
> porches in the evening to escape the indoor heat. Since AC, back porches
> are often closed in to make sunrooms and the front porches remain vacant.
>
> G.


I didn't grow up with AC and can actually live without it. It didn't get
too hot in Erie PA, but it was very humid. We ran fans a lot but didn't
have AC... A lot of house near my have porches and almost always vacant.
An occasional smoker out there. The only person I see out on their porch
very much is the senile lady who lives across from me. She was out there
last night. In the dark, just sitting. She does that a fair amount. No
lights on, just sitting out there in the dark.

One of the reasons I bought this house was it had a porch, and a nice medium
size maple tree in front. There was a porch swing-- which I've always
wanted-- but the seller took it. (Guess it had sentimental value.) I
bought one but don't really use it much. But I like having one. Kids like
it.

A lot of people have decks in the back yard, but don't really see a lot of
people on those either. People just don't go outside much anymore. I see a
few holdouts not from the i-generation who do yard work and gardening, but
not many. Mostly older people. Always makes me smile a bit to see them.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2012-07-04, Yeff > wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 08:38:44 -0400, Somebody wrote:
>>
>>> I rarely see anyone sit on a porch anymore.
>>
>> Sitting on a porch/stoop isn't an activity. It's a state of mind.
>
> It's virtually a religion, here, where both covered and uncovered
> decks are a common extension of the many permanent travel trailers
> and park model homes. Also, the cool afternoons and light insect
> activity make it a nice way to spend a Summer evening. There's two
> new decks going up this very minute, the electric sanders droning all
> day long, and I'm trying to get an estimate on redoing/upgrading ours.
>
> nb

I need mine redone. Got a quote of 3k. Which is about 1k too high, and
that is just to repair/replace... What part of the country do you live that
there's not many insects... maybe be part of the problem here. It's too
hot during the day to go out, and in the eve insects galore. Lots of
skeeters... Maybe the hot dry air will at least kill them off... I haven't
seen as much squirrel activity lately either. Hoping they all die of heat
stroke.

On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 08:38:44 -0400, "Somebody" > wrote:



>
>Maybe I will just have someone replace the 3-4 spongy boards. And replace
>the railing top boards that are warped, and cracked. It's not like I'm
>going to live here forever and maybe the new owner won't even care for a
>deck. People hardly go outside anymore anyway. Not to just sit on a deck
>and lounge around. I rarely see anyone sit on a porch anymore.
>


I'm not going to live here forever, but probably until "my" forever
comes so I want to enjoy it

we use the deck often if the temperature is between 70 and maybe 90.
Above that, I may cook on the deck, but we eat in the air conditioned
house.

In moderate summer weather, I'll sit and read the paper while
something is cooking, they we eat and relax until the sun goes down.
Once in a while, we can have breakfast out there, but by 9 or so, the
sun is very intense and reflecting off the white siding. It gets
better after noon, and is very nice after 3 in the shade.

On 2012-07-04, Somebody > wrote:

> I need mine redone. Got a quote of 3k. Which is about 1k too high, and
> that is just to repair/replace... What part of the country do you live that
> there's not many insects...

I live at 8K ft in the CO Rockies. Even with a river running by, not
too many skeets. Wasps are my bane, but they seem to go home and watch
wasp tv about 7 o'clock or so. Besides, they don't get troublesome
until late Aug/Sept, then I start setting off those awesome orange Raid
bug bombs in sheds and such and kill off legions of the stripy-assed
*******s.

nb


--
vi --the heart of evil!
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 08:38:44 -0400, "Somebody" > wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>Maybe I will just have someone replace the 3-4 spongy boards. And replace
>>the railing top boards that are warped, and cracked. It's not like I'm
>>going to live here forever and maybe the new owner won't even care for a
>>deck. People hardly go outside anymore anyway. Not to just sit on a deck
>>and lounge around. I rarely see anyone sit on a porch anymore.
>>
>
>
> I'm not going to live here forever, but probably until "my" forever
> comes so I want to enjoy it


yes, there is that to consider... And I like to leave a place in better
shape than I found it... Lucky ******* that buys this place!

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2012-07-04, Somebody > wrote:
>
>> I need mine redone. Got a quote of 3k. Which is about 1k too high, and
>> that is just to repair/replace... What part of the country do you live
>> that
>> there's not many insects...
>
> I live at 8K ft in the CO Rockies. Even with a river running by, not
> too many skeets. Wasps are my bane, but they seem to go home and watch
> wasp tv about 7 o'clock or so. Besides, they don't get troublesome
> until late Aug/Sept, then I start setting off those awesome orange Raid
> bug bombs in sheds and such and kill off legions of the stripy-assed
> *******s.

I loved riding my bike in the Colorado foothills... Evergreen, Golden,
Boulder... When I first moved there I would just wander without a map. One
time rode for a few hours, and came across a sign that said "Elevation
10,000 ft" Luckily, I had my camera and took a pic. Being from back east,
I was impressed.

I once was stung by a bee/wasp while riding. Was odd-- I was coming down
some huge hill out in the middle of nowhere and all of a sudden felt this
sting in the back of my leg. Something had stung me. So I'm hours and
dozens of miles from home with this welt. Luckily, I came across a ranger
station and they fixed me up. I'd forgotten about that till just now...
I'd like to retire and live out there. Even if I don't have much money,
would be surrounded by beauty.

On 2012-07-04, Somebody > wrote:
> I'd like to retire and live out there. Even if I don't have much money,
> would be surrounded by beauty.

where I live is affodarble, if yer not looking fer much. Lotta well
heeled retirees, but overall a depressed emconomy. We can't even
afford illegal aliens! Min-wage white kids do all the burger flippin',
hereabouts.

nb

--
vi --the heart of evil!
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

On 4 Jul 2012 14:15:25 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2012-07-04, Yeff > wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 08:38:44 -0400, Somebody wrote:
>>
>>> I rarely see anyone sit on a porch anymore.
>>
>> Sitting on a porch/stoop isn't an activity. It's a state of mind.
>
>It's virtually a religion, here, where both covered and uncovered
>decks are a common extension of the many permanent travel trailers
>and park model homes. Also, the cool afternoons and light insect
>activity make it a nice way to spend a Summer evening. There's two
>new decks going up this very minute, the electric sanders droning all
>day long, and I'm trying to get an estimate on redoing/upgrading ours.

Pretty common here, too. I'm seeing more and more 'seating areas'
on lawns in sections of town who went through the 'enclose your porch'
phase.

This old house [1890's] never had a porch for some reason. We make
do with a 20x20 shaded patio.

Jim

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2012-07-04, Somebody > wrote:
>> I'd like to retire and live out there. Even if I don't have much money,
>> would be surrounded by beauty.
>
> where I live is affodarble, if yer not looking fer much. Lotta well
> heeled retirees, but overall a depressed emconomy. We can't even
> afford illegal aliens! Min-wage white kids do all the burger flippin',
> hereabouts.

I don't need much. Just a place for a futon and my bike... I do like the
Magnavox 42" lcd tv and blu-ray that has a usb port, but could live without
it. And I will miss my ice cube making frig. But I think I remember how to
make ice cubes manually.

I can flip burgers! What kind of health care and retirement plan is there?

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Well...Happy 4th in advance.

I associate potato salad with July 4th. American Potato Salad. Hope the
Kroger has some... I'd like a deviled egg or two also, but don't think they
sell those singly.

I like to put a cut up pickle in potato salad. Kind of like a relish...
Sometimes, a dash of soy sauce.

On 2012-07-04, Somebody > wrote:

> I can flip burgers! What kind of health care and retirement plan is there?

Same as the rest of the USA ....little to none.

One problem is, it's a Summer tourist economy. You may have a job in
Summer, but many jobs go away in Winter.

nb

--
vi --the heart of evil!
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

I hate decks storage sheds etc-I think they increased the wasp/hornet
population of which I am terrified. I have always liked poured cement
patios-think ?Mondrian? and lay out an artistic pattern with plenty of
expansion joints. There are so many shading options today natural or
otherwise. After many years of job/people stress all I want to do is sit
and watch the grass grow! (never much cared for grass-ferns sounds
good.) It is a state of mind. Many have lost the ability to just kick
back and relax.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...

> One problem is, it's a Summer tourist economy. You may have a job in
> Summer, but many jobs go away in Winter.


maybe I can teach them to ski at the same time I learn? or, go
unemployment. I could shovel snow.

I have to go get some potato salad. Won't be July 4th without it... I'd
like some potato chips too, but so fattening. Anymore, I microwave cut up
potatoes in lieu of chips. I like unsalted, baked. But seems to be either
or in the stores.

Somebody wrote:
>
> I have to go get some potato salad. Won't be July 4th without it... I'd
> like some potato chips too, but so fattening.

Potato chips are probably not much more fattening than potato salad. On the
chips, you have a bit of oil residue.....on the potato salad you add mayo.

Just eat what sounds good to you but not too much of it.

G.

On 2012-07-04, Somebody > wrote:

> maybe I can teach them to ski at the same time I learn? or, go
> unemployment. I could shovel snow.

Youda starved to death last Winter! 4-5 snowfalls, none over 2-3
inches. Pitiful. I live in Arkansas headwaters valley, between
Salida CO and Buena Vista CO. No snow, no skiing, no waters, no work,
no head, NO NOTHING!. Bad mojo, this year.

nb

--
vi --the heart of evil!
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:20:39 -0500, (z z) wrote:

>I hate decks storage sheds etc-I think they increased the wasp/hornet
>population of which I am terrified. I have always liked poured cement
>patios-think ?Mondrian? and lay out an artistic pattern with plenty of
>expansion joints.



Agree when possible, My deck is 9' above ground level so concrete is
difficult. Under the deck though, we do have poured concrete to be a
ground level patio. Nice place for lunch on a sunny day as the deck
shades it.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Somebody wrote:
>>
>> I have to go get some potato salad. Won't be July 4th without it... I'd
>> like some potato chips too, but so fattening.
>
> Potato chips are probably not much more fattening than potato salad. On
> the
> chips, you have a bit of oil residue.....on the potato salad you add mayo.
>
> Just eat what sounds good to you but not too much of it.
>
> G.


Got some egg potato salad for a change. Had the American style in my hand,
but I kinda wanted deviled eggs (saw the other thread here) and so
compromised. (Didn't see any devil eggs in Kroger.) And instead of a big
bag of oily chips got the tiny 50 cent Spicy Chile Doritos in the purple
bag. Not exactly healthy, but at least only a single serving of unhealthy.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2012-07-04, Somebody > wrote:
>
>> maybe I can teach them to ski at the same time I learn? or, go
>> unemployment. I could shovel snow.
>
> Youda starved to death last Winter! 4-5 snowfalls, none over 2-3
> inches. Pitiful. I live in Arkansas headwaters valley, between
> Salida CO and Buena Vista CO. No snow, no skiing, no waters, no work,
> no head, NO NOTHING!. Bad mojo, this year.


Salida... isn't that near the Great Sand Dune park? I went with a group in
college and saw a couple whooping cranes, and a ton of sand cranes out that
way. Was fun walking around the sand dunes, and weird and unexpected being
in Colorado... At night we camped out and I went to take a whizz in the
middle of the night, and had a Dave Bowman moment: "my god, it's full of
stars!" Never have seen so many stars in my life. It was incredible!

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:20:39 -0500, (z z) wrote:
>
>>I hate decks storage sheds etc-I think they increased the wasp/hornet
>>population of which I am terrified. I have always liked poured cement
>>patios-think ?Mondrian? and lay out an artistic pattern with plenty of
>>expansion joints.
>
>
>
> Agree when possible, My deck is 9' above ground level so concrete is
> difficult. Under the deck though, we do have poured concrete to be a
> ground level patio. Nice place for lunch on a sunny day as the deck
> shades it.


my deck floorboards are diagonal, which "deck guy" said is not the best way
to do it structurally. Makes center to center farther, and uses more wood.
Everything is nailed, no screws. Doesn't seem right to only be nailed.
Inherited from previous owner.

On 2012-07-04, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:20:39 -0500, (z z) wrote:
>
>>I hate decks storage sheds etc-I think they increased the wasp/hornet
>>population of which I am terrified.
>
> Agree when possible, My deck is 9' above ground level so concrete is
> difficult.

These bombs are for wasps, or even spiders, that take over yer garage
or shed. I've used several brands over the years and these beat 'em
all. They only last about 10-15 secs, but take out every bug in the
joint.

http://tinyurl.com/7mbczss

nb


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government." -- Patrick Henry

On 2012-07-04, Somebody > wrote:

> Salida... isn't that near the Great Sand Dune park?

Nope. That's about 35-40 mi South-southeast of Salida. C'mon!
Lookit Google maps.

> At night we camped out and I went to take a whizz in the middle of
> the night, and had a Dave Bowman moment: "my god, it's full of
> stars!" Never have seen so many stars in my life. It was
> incredible!

Yep. Notta lotta big city light glare up here. I walk out on my deck
in the Winter and am astonished by the night sky.

nb






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vi --the heart of evil!
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the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

"notbob" > wrote in message
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> On 2012-07-04, Somebody > wrote:
>
>> Salida... isn't that near the Great Sand Dune park?
>
> Nope. That's about 35-40 mi South-southeast of Salida. C'mon!
> Lookit Google maps.

I consider that "near"


> Yep. Notta lotta big city light glare up here. I walk out on my deck
> in the Winter and am astonished by the night sky.

lucky *******.

On 2012-07-04, Somebody > wrote:

> lucky *******.

The stupid park I'm in installed a buncha mercury night lights. I gotta find
out what it takes to darken them fer certain events, like the Perseids
and Leonids meteor showers.

nb

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vi --the heart of evil!
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

"Somebody" > wrote in message
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> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
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>
>> No, this is real hardwood
>> http://www.advantagelumber.com/tigerwood_decking.htm
>>
>> There are a few woods that are great for decks and long lasting. To
>> do a 12 x 16 deck was about $1900 delivered. I was considering a
>> composite, but I just like real wood better. I'm putting on a coat of
>> Penofin oil before installing it.
>
> The roofer who has a "deck guy" said about 1500 to 2k to fix up the deck.
> Deck guy mumbled 2-2,500k when he was here and I asked. Yesterday, he
> called and said $3,000. He said treated wood for the floorboards is
> expensive.
>
> Maybe I will just have someone replace the 3-4 spongy boards. And replace
> the railing top boards that are warped, and cracked. It's not like I'm
> going to live here forever and maybe the new owner won't even care for a
> deck. People hardly go outside anymore anyway. Not to just sit on a deck
> and lounge around. I rarely see anyone sit on a porch anymore.

I sit on the back patio quite a bit. Not so much in the heat of summer, but
other times of year, absolutely. I sit out there with a refreshing drink
and read. It's relaxing. My next house absolutely must have a patio or
porch. I'd prefer that over a deck but a deck may be all I can find.

Jill