On 7/4/2012 9:03 AM, David Friedman wrote:
> One of my longtime interests is medieval, and to some extent
> renaissance, cooking, from Europe and the Islamic world. Anyone else
> here share it? rec.food.historic seems to be dead.
>

If you put out a couple of recipes, I'd check it out. My guess is that
people would most likely be interested in medieval fermented beverages.

We once had a renaissance fair at my high school*. As I recall, I wanted
to make chimichangas. As usual, I flaked out in the end.











*beats the heck out of me why they're called "renaissance fairs."
"Medieval fairs" is what they are.

On 2012-07-04, dsi1 > wrote:

> We once had a renaissance fair at my high school*. As I recall, I wanted
> to make chimichangas. As usual, I flaked out in the end.

chimachangas!!?? Cooking!? As Lewis Black would say, "Are you
fscking kidding me!? Chimachangas, or as I like to call them,
cheapa-cankers, along with their even more evil bretheren, taquitos,
are a bane on the culinary arse of Mexico!! How you got that into
"renaissance fairs" is endemic of the widespread perversion of what
passes fer cooking, today.

> beats the heck out of me why they're called "renaissance fairs."

To attract simple minded twits who seek a lifestyle more alluring than
their own pathetic existence.

Medieval cooking is what we did until we got a clue. You want
medieval cooking? Go kill a deer with yer hunting buddies and roast
an unskinned haunch over an open fire. No martinis allowed!!

Thou dost make methinks you an idjit of the highest order!

nb

--
vi --the heart of evil!
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

On Jul 4, 4:05*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2012-07-04, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > We once had a renaissance fair at my high school*. As I recall, I wanted
> > to make chimichangas. As usual, I flaked out in the end.
>
> chimachangas!!?? *Cooking!? *As Lewis Black would say, "Are you
> fscking kidding me!? *Chimachangas, or as I like to call them,
> cheapa-cankers, along with their even more evil bretheren, taquitos,
> are a bane on the culinary arse of Mexico!! *How you got that into
> "renaissance fairs" is endemic of the widespread perversion of what
> passes fer cooking, today.
>
> > beats the heck out of me why they're called "renaissance fairs."
>
> To attract simple minded twits who seek a lifestyle more alluring than
> their own pathetic existence.
>
> Medieval cooking is what we did until we got a clue. *You want
> medieval cooking? *Go kill a deer with yer hunting buddies and roast
> an unskinned haunch over an open fire. *No martinis allowed!!

and make sure to duck the sheriff, or feel free to donate an ear or
two.

>
> Thou dost make methinks you an idjit of the highest order!
>
> nb
>
> --
> vi --the heart of evil!
> "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
> the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
> government." -- Patrick Henry

On 7/4/2012 10:05 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-07-04, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> We once had a renaissance fair at my high school*. As I recall, I wanted
>> to make chimichangas. As usual, I flaked out in the end.
>
> chimachangas!!?? Cooking!? As Lewis Black would say, "Are you
> fscking kidding me!? Chimachangas, or as I like to call them,
> cheapa-cankers, along with their even more evil bretheren, taquitos,
> are a bane on the culinary arse of Mexico!! How you got that into
> "renaissance fairs" is endemic of the widespread perversion of what
> passes fer cooking, today.
>
>> beats the heck out of me why they're called "renaissance fairs."
>
> To attract simple minded twits who seek a lifestyle more alluring than
> their own pathetic existence.
>
> Medieval cooking is what we did until we got a clue. You want
> medieval cooking? Go kill a deer with yer hunting buddies and roast
> an unskinned haunch over an open fire. No martinis allowed!!
>
> Thou dost make methinks you an idjit of the highest order!
>
> nb
>

They ought to call this group rec.food.idiot. :-)

I don't know why renaissance fairs exist. I do know that the dark ages
was a pretty bad time to be alive. I also know that I'm interested in
history and that chimichangas are totally boss!

On 7/4/2012 10:54 AM, David Friedman wrote:
> In article >,
> dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> On 7/4/2012 9:03 AM, David Friedman wrote:
>>> One of my longtime interests is medieval, and to some extent
>>> renaissance, cooking, from Europe and the Islamic world. Anyone else
>>> here share it? rec.food.historic seems to be dead.
>>>
>>
>> If you put out a couple of recipes, I'd check it out.
>
> Somewhat more than "a couple."

Interesting doc. Thanks! It's going to take a while to digest it. I
always used to see the SCA guys going at it at the Pohakupu park across
the street from where I grew up. Neat stuff!

>
> http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Mediev..._an_Almond.pdf
>
> And for lots more on the subject:
>
> http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/Medieval.html
>
>> My guess is that
>> people would most likely be interested in medieval fermented beverages.
>
> There isn't a lot of information on that. The earliest source I know of
> with lots of fermented beverage recipes is _The Closet of Sir Kenelm
> Digby_, which is mid-17th century.
>
> But there's a good spiced wine recipe from the late 14th century.
>
> Hippocras
> Goodman p. 299
>
> To make powdered hippocras, take a quarter of very fine cinnamon
> selected by tasting it, and half a quarter of fine flour of cinnamon, an
> ounce of selected string ginger, fine and white, and an ounce of grain
> of Paradise, a sixth of nutmegs and galingale together, and bray them
> all together. And when you would make your hippocras, take a good half
> ounce of this powder and two quarters of sugar and mix them with a quart
> of wine, by Paris measure. And note that the powder and the sugar mixed
> together is the Duke's powder.
>
> [Below this is how we do it]
>
> 4 oz stick cinnamon 1 oz ginger
> 2 oz cinnamon 1 oz grains of paradise
> ³A sixth² (probably of a pound: 2 _ oz)
> of nutmegs and galingale together
>
> Grind them all together. To make hippocras add 1/2 ounce of the powder
> and 1/2 lb (1 cup) of sugar to 2 quarts of boiling wine (the quart used
> to measure wine in Paris c. 1393 was about 2 modern U.S. quarts, the
> pound and ounce about the same as ours). Strain through a sleeve of
> Hippocrates (a tube of cloth, closed at one end).
>
> ...
>
>> *beats the heck out of me why they're called "renaissance fairs."
>> "Medieval fairs" is what they are.
>
> Most of them aren't really either, and contain elements from both.
>

On 7/4/2012 10:57 AM, David Friedman wrote:
> In article >,
> dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> I don't know why renaissance fairs exist. I do know that the dark ages
>> was a pretty bad time to be alive.
>
> Depends when you are comparing it to. Judged by population growth as an
> indirect proxy for conditions of life, it was better than late antiquity.
>
> Medieval historians have pretty much abandoned the term "dark ages" as
> misleading.
>

I've been brainwashed by all those movies about the times. Point taken.

On 04/07/2012 4:57 PM, David Friedman wrote:
> In article >,
> dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> I don't know why renaissance fairs exist. I do know that the dark ages
>> was a pretty bad time to be alive.
>
> Depends when you are comparing it to. Judged by population growth as an
> indirect proxy for conditions of life, it was better than late antiquity.
>
> Medieval historians have pretty much abandoned the term "dark ages" as
> misleading.
>


Not really. They just shifted the "dark ages" to apply more to the early
medieval period.

On 04/07/2012 5:48 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/4/2012 10:57 AM, David Friedman wrote:
>> In article >,
>> dsi1 > wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know why renaissance fairs exist. I do know that the dark ages
>>> was a pretty bad time to be alive.
>>
>> Depends when you are comparing it to. Judged by population growth as an
>> indirect proxy for conditions of life, it was better than late antiquity.
>>
>> Medieval historians have pretty much abandoned the term "dark ages" as
>> misleading.
>>
>
> I've been brainwashed by all those movies about the times. Point taken.
>


A lot of us were. I remember watching a lot of Robin Hood on TV and in
the movies. Robin was a great guy and he was ever loyal to good King
Richard..... the lion heart.... whose throne was bring usurped by his
evil brother. A few years later I read a book about Richard. He was a
*******. He spent more time crusading than he did ruling England, Being
a king gave him access to the knights and their armies and he went off
crusading, which, for him, was more about looting and plundering than
freeing the Holy Land.

On 7/4/2012 12:50 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 04/07/2012 5:48 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> I've been brainwashed by all those movies about the times. Point taken.
>>
>
>
> A lot of us were. I remember watching a lot of Robin Hood on TV and in
> the movies. Robin was a great guy and he was ever loyal to good King
> Richard..... the lion heart.... whose throne was bring usurped by his
> evil brother. A few years later I read a book about Richard. He was a
> *******. He spent more time crusading than he did ruling England, Being
> a king gave him access to the knights and their armies and he went off
> crusading, which, for him, was more about looting and plundering than
> freeing the Holy Land.
>

Modern man is ill-suited to live in anything other than these times. My
guess is that we'd find conditions primitive if we were transported back
to 1982.

I read David Macaulay's book on the medieval castle and conditions
seemed pretty harsh even for the Kings and the people within the walls.
I guess that the way it is when you live in a war-machine.

On 2012-07-04, dsi1 > wrote:

> guess is that we'd find conditions primitive if we were transported back
> to 1982.

What parallel universe are you from? My entire kitchen is from 1982!!

nb

--
vi --the heart of evil!
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain
the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

On 04/07/2012 7:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>>
>> A lot of us were. I remember watching a lot of Robin Hood on TV and in
>> the movies. Robin was a great guy and he was ever loyal to good King
>> Richard..... the lion heart.... whose throne was bring usurped by his
>> evil brother. A few years later I read a book about Richard. He was a
>> *******. He spent more time crusading than he did ruling England, Being
>> a king gave him access to the knights and their armies and he went off
>> crusading, which, for him, was more about looting and plundering than
>> freeing the Holy Land.
>>
>
> Modern man is ill-suited to live in anything other than these times. My
> guess is that we'd find conditions primitive if we were transported back
> to 1982.
>
> I read David Macaulay's book on the medieval castle and conditions
> seemed pretty harsh even for the Kings and the people within the walls.
> I guess that the way it is when you live in a war-machine.


Those who ran the war machines tended to live well. Everyone else had to
kiss their butts. They had people to build their castles, to cut their
firewood, to tend their fires, do their cooking, making their clothes,
fight for them.... they didn't really have to do much. A well educated
person would have the equivalent of about a contemporary Grade 7 student.

On 7/4/2012 1:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 04/07/2012 7:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>>
>>> A lot of us were. I remember watching a lot of Robin Hood on TV and in
>>> the movies. Robin was a great guy and he was ever loyal to good King
>>> Richard..... the lion heart.... whose throne was bring usurped by his
>>> evil brother. A few years later I read a book about Richard. He was a
>>> *******. He spent more time crusading than he did ruling England, Being
>>> a king gave him access to the knights and their armies and he went off
>>> crusading, which, for him, was more about looting and plundering than
>>> freeing the Holy Land.
>>>
>>
>> Modern man is ill-suited to live in anything other than these times. My
>> guess is that we'd find conditions primitive if we were transported back
>> to 1982.
>>
>> I read David Macaulay's book on the medieval castle and conditions
>> seemed pretty harsh even for the Kings and the people within the walls.
>> I guess that the way it is when you live in a war-machine.
>
>
> Those who ran the war machines tended to live well. Everyone else had to
> kiss their butts. They had people to build their castles, to cut their
> firewood, to tend their fires, do their cooking, making their clothes,
> fight for them.... they didn't really have to do much. A well educated
> person would have the equivalent of about a contemporary Grade 7 student.

I don't need anybody to do things for me nor would that add much comfort
to my life. I'm talking about indoor plumbing, heating and cooling of
your house, and refrigeration. I will agree that they lived better than
the simple folks.

On 7/4/2012 1:37 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2012-07-04, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> guess is that we'd find conditions primitive if we were transported back
>> to 1982.
>
> What parallel universe are you from? My entire kitchen is from 1982!!
>
> nb
>

Mostly I'm talking about computers and the internet but you're a couple
of decades behind anyway so I'm not talking about you. :-)

dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/4/2012 1:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 04/07/2012 7:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> A lot of us were. I remember watching a lot of Robin Hood on TV and in
>>>> the movies. Robin was a great guy and he was ever loyal to good King
>>>> Richard..... the lion heart.... whose throne was bring usurped by his
>>>> evil brother. A few years later I read a book about Richard. He was a
>>>> *******. He spent more time crusading than he did ruling England, Being
>>>> a king gave him access to the knights and their armies and he went off
>>>> crusading, which, for him, was more about looting and plundering than
>>>> freeing the Holy Land.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Modern man is ill-suited to live in anything other than these times. My
>>> guess is that we'd find conditions primitive if we were transported back
>>> to 1982.
>>>
>>> I read David Macaulay's book on the medieval castle and conditions
>>> seemed pretty harsh even for the Kings and the people within the walls.
>>> I guess that the way it is when you live in a war-machine.
>>
>>
>> Those who ran the war machines tended to live well. Everyone else had to
>> kiss their butts. They had people to build their castles, to cut their
>> firewood, to tend their fires, do their cooking, making their clothes,
>> fight for them.... they didn't really have to do much. A well educated
>> person would have the equivalent of about a contemporary Grade 7 student.
>
> I don't need anybody to do things for me nor would that add much comfort
> to my life. I'm talking about indoor plumbing, heating and cooling of
> your house, and refrigeration. I will agree that they lived better than
> the simple folks.
>
Use the garderobe and be done with it!

--
Jean B.

On 7/4/2012 4:21 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 7/4/2012 1:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 04/07/2012 7:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of us were. I remember watching a lot of Robin Hood on TV
>>>>> and in
>>>>> the movies. Robin was a great guy and he was ever loyal to good King
>>>>> Richard..... the lion heart.... whose throne was bring usurped by his
>>>>> evil brother. A few years later I read a book about Richard. He
>>>>> was a
>>>>> *******. He spent more time crusading than he did ruling England,
>>>>> Being
>>>>> a king gave him access to the knights and their armies and he went off
>>>>> crusading, which, for him, was more about looting and plundering than
>>>>> freeing the Holy Land.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Modern man is ill-suited to live in anything other than these times. My
>>>> guess is that we'd find conditions primitive if we were transported
>>>> back
>>>> to 1982.
>>>>
>>>> I read David Macaulay's book on the medieval castle and conditions
>>>> seemed pretty harsh even for the Kings and the people within the walls.
>>>> I guess that the way it is when you live in a war-machine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Those who ran the war machines tended to live well. Everyone else had to
>>> kiss their butts. They had people to build their castles, to cut their
>>> firewood, to tend their fires, do their cooking, making their clothes,
>>> fight for them.... they didn't really have to do much. A well educated
>>> person would have the equivalent of about a contemporary Grade 7
>>> student.
>>
>> I don't need anybody to do things for me nor would that add much
>> comfort to my life. I'm talking about indoor plumbing, heating and
>> cooling of your house, and refrigeration. I will agree that they lived
>> better than the simple folks.
>>
> Use the garderobe and be done with it!
>

"Garderobe?" Thank you Google! My wife thought it would be cool to stay
in an Irish castle on a trip to Europe next year. I can't think of a
more unpleasant idea. OTOH, I could be wrong about this since I've never
been in a castle before. I was once in a Hawaiian burial ground that had
a cave made from a pile of rocks so I suppose that's somewhat similar.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/4/2012 4:21 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 7/4/2012 1:37 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 04/07/2012 7:33 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot of us were. I remember watching a lot of Robin Hood on TV
>>>>>> and in
>>>>>> the movies. Robin was a great guy and he was ever loyal to good King
>>>>>> Richard..... the lion heart.... whose throne was bring usurped by his
>>>>>> evil brother. A few years later I read a book about Richard. He
>>>>>> was a
>>>>>> *******. He spent more time crusading than he did ruling England,
>>>>>> Being
>>>>>> a king gave him access to the knights and their armies and he went
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> crusading, which, for him, was more about looting and plundering than
>>>>>> freeing the Holy Land.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Modern man is ill-suited to live in anything other than these
>>>>> times. My
>>>>> guess is that we'd find conditions primitive if we were transported
>>>>> back
>>>>> to 1982.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read David Macaulay's book on the medieval castle and conditions
>>>>> seemed pretty harsh even for the Kings and the people within the
>>>>> walls.
>>>>> I guess that the way it is when you live in a war-machine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those who ran the war machines tended to live well. Everyone else
>>>> had to
>>>> kiss their butts. They had people to build their castles, to cut their
>>>> firewood, to tend their fires, do their cooking, making their clothes,
>>>> fight for them.... they didn't really have to do much. A well educated
>>>> person would have the equivalent of about a contemporary Grade 7
>>>> student.
>>>
>>> I don't need anybody to do things for me nor would that add much
>>> comfort to my life. I'm talking about indoor plumbing, heating and
>>> cooling of your house, and refrigeration. I will agree that they lived
>>> better than the simple folks.
>>>
>> Use the garderobe and be done with it!
>>
>
> "Garderobe?" Thank you Google! My wife thought it would be cool to stay
> in an Irish castle on a trip to Europe next year. I can't think of a
> more unpleasant idea. OTOH, I could be wrong about this since I've never
> been in a castle before. I was once in a Hawaiian burial ground that had
> a cave made from a pile of rocks so I suppose that's somewhat similar.

I'd LOVE to stay in a medieval castle--especially one that
belonged to one of my ancestors.

--
Jean B.

In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> On 04/07/2012 4:57 PM, David Friedman wrote:
> > In article >,
> > dsi1 > wrote:

> > Medieval historians have pretty much abandoned the term "dark ages" as
> > misleading.
> >
> Not really. They just shifted the "dark ages" to apply more to the early
> medieval period.

Well, let's break 'er down. There should be paleomedieval, medieval and
neomedieval. I can't believe that historians haven't picked up on this.
It's so much more descriptive than early, high and late. Was everybody
stoned in the high medieval? They ought have been to get through it.

leo

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 7/4/2012 4:21 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> Use the garderobe and be done with it!
>>>
>>
>> "Garderobe?" Thank you Google! My wife thought it would be cool to stay
>> in an Irish castle on a trip to Europe next year. I can't think of a more
>> unpleasant idea. OTOH, I could be wrong about this since I've never been
>> in a castle before. I was once in a Hawaiian burial ground that had a
>> cave made from a pile of rocks so I suppose that's somewhat similar.
>
> I'd LOVE to stay in a medieval castle--especially one that belonged to one
> of my ancestors.
>
> --
> Jean B.


LOL I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as scullery
maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing the guy in
the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager cottage.

Jill

In article >, lid
says...

> "Garderobe?" Thank you Google! My wife thought it would be cool to stay
> in an Irish castle on a trip to Europe next year. I can't think of a
> more unpleasant idea. OTOH, I could be wrong about this since I've never
> been in a castle before.

The Queen copes with living in castles, and you can bet she has a proper
flushing garderobe these days.

Janet

On 7/4/2012 5:38 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> I'd LOVE to stay in a medieval castle--especially one that belonged to
> one of my ancestors.

The college I went to had a famous building that was nicknamed "The
Castle." It was the newest building on campus and it's foundation
started sinking and cracking before it's grey paint finished drying.
"Chambers" would be the perfect description for the windowless small
classrooms. Navigating through it's narrow passageways was fun in the
way that a carnival funhouse would be "fun." The great thing about the
building is that you could always say got lost if you were late for
class. The Business Admin building at the University of Hawaii, Manoa is
a great building. Great at how to design a building in the most
uncomfortable way. Anyway, that pretty much turned me off to castles.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> LOL I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as scullery
> maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing the guy in
> the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager cottage.

And I'll bet they couldn't possibly imagine putting cole slaw on their
pulled pork sandwiches.

G.

On 7/5/2012 11:14 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> LOL I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as scullery
>> maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing the guy in
>> the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager cottage.
>
> And I'll bet they couldn't possibly imagine putting cole slaw on their
> pulled pork sandwiches.
>
> G.

Those middle-ages guys would probably sell off one of their kids for a
pulled-pork sandwich. Two kids if you add coleslaw. :-)

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> LOL I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as
>> scullery
>> maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing the guy
>> in
>> the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager cottage.
>
> And I'll bet they couldn't possibly imagine putting cole slaw on their
> pulled pork sandwiches.
>
> G.

You think peasants in Scotland ate pulled pork? LOL

Jill

dsi1 wrote:
>
> On 7/5/2012 11:14 AM, Gary wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> LOL I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as scullery
> >> maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing the guy in
> >> the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager cottage.
> >
> > And I'll bet they couldn't possibly imagine putting cole slaw on their
> > pulled pork sandwiches.
> >
> > G.
>
> Those middle-ages guys would probably sell off one of their kids for a
> pulled-pork sandwich. Two kids if you add coleslaw. :-)

I'll call your 2 kids and raise you a pair of grandparents!

G.

On 7/5/2012 12:07 PM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> On 7/5/2012 11:14 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> LOL I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as scullery
>>>> maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing the guy in
>>>> the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager cottage.
>>>
>>> And I'll bet they couldn't possibly imagine putting cole slaw on their
>>> pulled pork sandwiches.
>>>
>>> G.
>>
>> Those middle-ages guys would probably sell off one of their kids for a
>> pulled-pork sandwich. Two kids if you add coleslaw. :-)
>
> I'll call your 2 kids and raise you a pair of grandparents!
>
> G.

I'm sorry, the current medieval exchange rate is one Jack-in-the-Box
shake for 2 grandparents. You want some kids, you gotta pay more.

In article >,
says...
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> LOL I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as
> >> scullery
> >> maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing the guy
> >> in
> >> the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager cottage.
> >
> > And I'll bet they couldn't possibly imagine putting cole slaw on their
> > pulled pork sandwiches.
> >
> > G.
>
> You think peasants in Scotland ate pulled pork? LOL
>
> Jill

wooosh....

Janet

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 7/4/2012 4:21 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>> Use the garderobe and be done with it!
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Garderobe?" Thank you Google! My wife thought it would be cool to
>>> stay in an Irish castle on a trip to Europe next year. I can't think
>>> of a more unpleasant idea. OTOH, I could be wrong about this since
>>> I've never been in a castle before. I was once in a Hawaiian burial
>>> ground that had a cave made from a pile of rocks so I suppose that's
>>> somewhat similar.
>>
>> I'd LOVE to stay in a medieval castle--especially one that belonged to
>> one of my ancestors.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
>
> LOL I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as
> scullery maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing
> the guy in the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager
> cottage.
>
> Jill

Oh, I'm sure I had plenty of those too.

--
Jean B.

Janet wrote:
> In article >, lid
> says...
>
>> "Garderobe?" Thank you Google! My wife thought it would be cool to stay
>> in an Irish castle on a trip to Europe next year. I can't think of a
>> more unpleasant idea. OTOH, I could be wrong about this since I've never
>> been in a castle before.
>
> The Queen copes with living in castles, and you can bet she has a proper
> flushing garderobe these days.
>
> Janet
>
LOL! Of course.

--
Jean B.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/4/2012 5:38 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>> I'd LOVE to stay in a medieval castle--especially one that belonged to
>> one of my ancestors.
>
> The college I went to had a famous building that was nicknamed "The
> Castle." It was the newest building on campus and it's foundation
> started sinking and cracking before it's grey paint finished drying.
> "Chambers" would be the perfect description for the windowless small
> classrooms. Navigating through it's narrow passageways was fun in the
> way that a carnival funhouse would be "fun." The great thing about the
> building is that you could always say got lost if you were late for
> class. The Business Admin building at the University of Hawaii, Manoa is
> a great building. Great at how to design a building in the most
> uncomfortable way. Anyway, that pretty much turned me off to castles.
>
>
Interesting. There have been some expensive architectural fiascos
in this area too. I am thinking of one at MIT.

--
Jean B.

On 7/5/2012 4:33 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> On 7/4/2012 5:38 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>>> I'd LOVE to stay in a medieval castle--especially one that belonged to
>>> one of my ancestors.
>>
>> The college I went to had a famous building that was nicknamed "The
>> Castle." It was the newest building on campus and it's foundation
>> started sinking and cracking before it's grey paint finished drying.
>> "Chambers" would be the perfect description for the windowless small
>> classrooms. Navigating through it's narrow passageways was fun in the
>> way that a carnival funhouse would be "fun." The great thing about the
>> building is that you could always say got lost if you were late for
>> class. The Business Admin building at the University of Hawaii, Manoa
>> is a great building. Great at how to design a building in the most
>> uncomfortable way. Anyway, that pretty much turned me off to castles.
>>
>>
> Interesting. There have been some expensive architectural fiascos in
> this area too. I am thinking of one at MIT.

The good part is that buildings like this give one a concrete example of
poor design and the psychological affects these things have on people.
Mostly, they should be studied. The big rooms had awful acoustics and
the multitude of blind corners made one feel uneasy most times. Even the
floors had a slight tilt that was disorienting and made me feel
off-balance. A most remarkable building!

>

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > jmcquown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> LOL I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as
>> >> scullery
>> >> maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing the
>> >> guy
>> >> in
>> >> the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager cottage.
>> >
>> > And I'll bet they couldn't possibly imagine putting cole slaw on their
>> > pulled pork sandwiches.
>> >
>> > G.
>>
>> You think peasants in Scotland ate pulled pork? LOL
>>
>> Jill
>
> wooosh....
>
> Janet


That wasn't a woooosh, it was a jest. On both sides. I would have thought
the LOL made it apparent. And no, Gary, I don't want cole slaw on my pulled
pork sandwiches. I don't even want cole slaw on the side. I despise the
stuff.

Jill

dsi1 wrote:
> On 7/5/2012 4:33 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 7/4/2012 5:38 PM, Jean B. wrote:
>>>> I'd LOVE to stay in a medieval castle--especially one that belonged to
>>>> one of my ancestors.
>>>
>>> The college I went to had a famous building that was nicknamed "The
>>> Castle." It was the newest building on campus and it's foundation
>>> started sinking and cracking before it's grey paint finished drying.
>>> "Chambers" would be the perfect description for the windowless small
>>> classrooms. Navigating through it's narrow passageways was fun in the
>>> way that a carnival funhouse would be "fun." The great thing about the
>>> building is that you could always say got lost if you were late for
>>> class. The Business Admin building at the University of Hawaii, Manoa
>>> is a great building. Great at how to design a building in the most
>>> uncomfortable way. Anyway, that pretty much turned me off to castles.
>>>
>>>
>> Interesting. There have been some expensive architectural fiascos in
>> this area too. I am thinking of one at MIT.
>
> The good part is that buildings like this give one a concrete example of
> poor design and the psychological affects these things have on people.
> Mostly, they should be studied. The big rooms had awful acoustics and
> the multitude of blind corners made one feel uneasy most times. Even the
> floors had a slight tilt that was disorienting and made me feel
> off-balance. A most remarkable building!
>
That's putting a positive spin on things.

--
Jean B.

On 7/5/2012 5:32 PM, Jean B. wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> The good part is that buildings like this give one a concrete example
>> of poor design and the psychological affects these things have on
>> people. Mostly, they should be studied. The big rooms had awful
>> acoustics and the multitude of blind corners made one feel uneasy most
>> times. Even the floors had a slight tilt that was disorienting and
>> made me feel off-balance. A most remarkable building!
>>
> That's putting a positive spin on things.
>

"Positive spin" is practically my middle name.

On Jul 5, 9:57*pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> "Janet" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
>
> >> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> > jmcquown wrote:
>
> >> >> LOL *I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as
> >> >> scullery
> >> >> maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing the
> >> >> guy
> >> >> in
> >> >> the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager cottage.
>
> >> > And I'll bet they couldn't possibly imagine putting cole slaw on their
> >> > pulled pork sandwiches.
>
> >> > G.
>
> >> You think peasants in Scotland ate pulled pork? LOL
>
> >> Jill
>
> > * wooosh....
>
> > *Janet
>
> That wasn't a woooosh, it was a jest. *On both sides. *I would have thought
> the LOL made it apparent. *And no, Gary, I don't want cole slaw on my pulled
> pork sandwiches. *I don't even want cole slaw on the side. *I despise the
> stuff.

Southern rubes like the feeling of the jizzy coleslaw stuff dripping
out of the corners of their mouths while they eat their pig
sandwiches. A filthy idea.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > jmcquown wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> LOL I'm sure my [Scottish] ancestors were the peasants working as
>>> >> scullery
>>> >> maids while their husbands tilled the land, all the while owing
>>> the >> guy
>>> >> in
>>> >> the castle a portion of their crops and rent for their meager
>>> cottage.
>>> >
>>> > And I'll bet they couldn't possibly imagine putting cole slaw on
>>> their
>>> > pulled pork sandwiches.
>>> >
>>> > G.
>>>
>>> You think peasants in Scotland ate pulled pork? LOL
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> wooosh....
>>
>> Janet
>
>
> That wasn't a woooosh, it was a jest. On both sides. I would have
> thought the LOL made it apparent. And no, Gary, I don't want cole
> slaw on my pulled pork sandwiches. I don't even want cole slaw on the
> side. I despise the stuff.
>
> Jill
Try to post once without the word "I".

It ain't all about, you, Jill!