The cupboard was bare, as far as ground coriander goes. Wanted to add
it to a Greek dish - is there a suitable sub? TIA

Kalmia wrote:
> The cupboard was bare, as far as ground coriander goes. Wanted to add
> it to a Greek dish - is there a suitable sub? TIA
>

Coriander is a cheap substitute for nutmeg when making sausage, so it
might work the other way too. Nutmeg is over twice as strong, so keep
that in mind.

Bob

On Jul 6, 10:58*am, Kalmia > wrote:
> The cupboard was bare, as far as ground coriander goes. *Wanted to add
> it to a Greek dish - is there a suitable sub? *TIA

Isn't coriander a bit lemony? Maybe a bit of lemon zest?

On Jul 6, 10:58*am, Kalmia > wrote:
> The cupboard was bare, as far as ground coriander goes. *Wanted to add
> it to a Greek dish - is there a suitable sub? *TIA

Isn't coriander the same as, or rather the seed of cilantro?
....Picky

On Jul 6, 4:23*pm, Jeanine Alyse > wrote:
> On Jul 6, 10:58*am, Kalmia > wrote:
>
> > The cupboard was bare, as far as ground coriander goes. *Wanted to add
> > it to a Greek dish - is there a suitable sub? *TIA
>
> Isn't coriander the same as, or rather the seed of cilantro?
> ...Picky

Yes, coriander and cilantro come from the same plant, but they taste
absolutely nothing alike. As stated above, ground coriander does have
a citrusy smell to it. Cilantro, on the other hand, just smells like
turpentine.

On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:23:09 -0700 (PDT), Jeanine Alyse
> wrote:

>On Jul 6, 10:58*am, Kalmia > wrote:
>> The cupboard was bare, as far as ground coriander goes. *Wanted to add
>> it to a Greek dish - is there a suitable sub? *TIA
>
>Isn't coriander the same as, or rather the seed of cilantro?

Seed of, yes. Same as- NO! I'm a Cilantro hater and a coriander
lover.

Jim

On 7/6/2012 5:28 PM, wrote:
> On Jul 6, 4:23 pm, Jeanine Alyse > wrote:
>> On Jul 6, 10:58 am, Kalmia > wrote:
>>
>>> The cupboard was bare, as far as ground coriander goes. Wanted to add
>>> it to a Greek dish - is there a suitable sub? TIA
>>
>> Isn't coriander the same as, or rather the seed of cilantro?
>> ...Picky
>
> Yes, coriander and cilantro come from the same plant, but they taste
> absolutely nothing alike. As stated above, ground coriander does have
> a citrusy smell to it. Cilantro, on the other hand, just smells like
> turpentine.
>
You are a genetic cilantro hater :-)

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

On 7/6/2012 5:40 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:23:09 -0700 (PDT), Jeanine Alyse
> > wrote:
>
>> On Jul 6, 10:58 am, Kalmia > wrote:
>>> The cupboard was bare, as far as ground coriander goes. Wanted to add
>>> it to a Greek dish - is there a suitable sub? TIA
>>
>> Isn't coriander the same as, or rather the seed of cilantro?
>
> Seed of, yes. Same as- NO! I'm a Cilantro hater and a coriander
> lover.
>
Me too.

On 06/07/12 13:23, Jeanine Alyse wrote:

> Isn't coriander the same as, or rather the seed of cilantro?
> ...Picky


Actually, the plant is officially called coriander. Cilantro is just a
widely accepted but colloquial name for its leaves.

On 06/07/2012 4:23 PM, Jeanine Alyse wrote:
> On Jul 6, 10:58 am, Kalmia > wrote:
>> The cupboard was bare, as far as ground coriander goes. Wanted to add
>> it to a Greek dish - is there a suitable sub? TIA
>
> Isn't coriander the same as, or rather the seed of cilantro?
> ...Picky
>


It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
cilantro.

Dave Smith wrote:

> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
> cilantro.

So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
take him to task?

On Jul 6, 2:40*pm, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:23:09 -0700 (PDT), Jeanine Alyse
>
> > wrote:
> >On Jul 6, 10:58*am, Kalmia > wrote:
> >> The cupboard was bare, as far as ground coriander goes. *Wanted to add
> >> it to a Greek dish - is there a suitable sub? *TIA
>
> >Isn't coriander the same as, or rather the seed of cilantro?
>
> Seed of, yes. *Same as- NO! * * *I'm a Cilantro hater and a coriander
> lover.
Thanks, Jim. I am a cilantro hater also, and therewith have been
afraid to try making anything with coriander in it, so now I may make
something new to me!
....Picky

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 21:18:44 -0600, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 20:26:05 -0400, George M. Middius
> > wrote:
>
> >Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
> >> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
> >> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
> >> cilantro.
> >
> >So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
> >store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
> >take him to task?
> >
> Then it is fresh coriander.
> I never saw it labeled as cilantro until about 25 years ago, and then
> it was out here on the west coast. My cookbooks from years ago always
> called it fresh coriander, to differentiate it from the seeds. Now,
> almost everywhere, it is known as cilantro, which is the spanish word
> for it.
>
Which is a better way to differentiate them. Hooray for progress!

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Christine Dabney wrote:

> >> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
> >> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
> >> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
> >> cilantro.
> >
> >So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
> >store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
> >take him to task?
> >
> Then it is fresh coriander.

No! It's cilantro! Dave said so.

On 06/07/2012 8:26 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
>> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
>> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
>> cilantro.
>
> So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
> store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
> take him to task?
>
>

I have never seen cilanto labeled as coriander.

Dave Smith wrote:

> >> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
> >> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
> >> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
> >> cilantro.
> >
> > So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
> > store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
> > take him to task?

> I have never seen cilanto labeled as coriander.

"LALALALA I can't hear you!"

On 07/07/2012 11:34 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
>>>> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
>>>> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
>>>> cilantro.
>>>
>>> So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
>>> store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
>>> take him to task?
>
>> I have never seen cilanto labeled as coriander.
>
> "LALALALA I can't hear you!"
>
>
>
well lalalala I won't be able to read you any more.

On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 10:15:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 06/07/2012 8:26 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
> >> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
> >> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
> >> cilantro.
> >
> > So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
> > store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
> > take him to task?
> >
> >
>
> I have never seen cilanto labeled as coriander.

Calling it coriander is a British thing - I guess you Canadians are
more American than not.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 20:26:05 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
> > the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
> > for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
> > cilantro.
>
> So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
> store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
> take him to task?
>
Why would you say the grocer needs educating and should be taken to
task? That's a confrontational way of "educating" someone.

I like using the Spanish word "cilantro" for the greenery to
differentiate it from the seed. It's an efficient way to get the
point across quickly and eliminate one variable from the confusion
equation - so there's no need to check for understanding the way I
would have to if I was stuck with the term "fresh coriander"

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

sf wrote:

> > > It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
> > > the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
> > > for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
> > > cilantro.
> >
> > So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
> > store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
> > take him to task?
> >
> Why would you say the grocer needs educating and should be taken to
> task? That's a confrontational way of "educating" someone.

Nevermind, Emily.

> I like using the Spanish word "cilantro" for the greenery to
> differentiate it from the seed. It's an efficient way to get the
> point across quickly and eliminate one variable from the confusion
> equation - so there's no need to check for understanding the way I
> would have to if I was stuck with the term "fresh coriander"

Let's make that an RFC rule. All in favor?

On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:40:37 -0600, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 10:15:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>I have never seen cilanto labeled as coriander.
>
>I have. And especially in cookbooks..but it is labelled as FRESH
>coriander. Big difference.

That cookbook was written by a Big moron.

There is no such thing as "fresh coriander" unless one is speaking of
the live plant (Coriandrum sativum). Culinarilly coriander and
cilantro are different parts of that same plant.
Coriander is the *dried* seed and cilantro is the fresh leaf unless it
says dried cilantro is permissable (the dehydrated leaf).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander

On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 15:26:49 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>> > > It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
>> > > the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
>> > > for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
>> > > cilantro.
>> >
>> > So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
>> > store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
>> > take him to task?
>> >
>> Why would you say the grocer needs educating and should be taken to
>> task? That's a confrontational way of "educating" someone.
>
>Nevermind, Emily.
>
>> I like using the Spanish word "cilantro" for the greenery to
>> differentiate it from the seed. It's an efficient way to get the
>> point across quickly and eliminate one variable from the confusion
>> equation - so there's no need to check for understanding the way I
>> would have to if I was stuck with the term "fresh coriander"
>
>Let's make that an RFC rule. All in favor?

sf is a moron... the Spanish word is most often spelled "culantro".
"Fresh coriander" refers to the entire live plant... "fresh cilantro"
refers to the plant's fresh leaves as averse to its dehydrated leaves.
Culinarilly "coriander" refers to the plants dried seeds... culinarily
there is no such thing as "fresh coriander"... so let's make that RFC
rule that George is a culinary/botanic imbecile.

Shelley's BSing Clinic is in session today. Admission is still free.

> There is no such thing as "fresh coriander"

You know, Shel, you've never admitted the real cause of your problem
with reality. Is it drug-induced? Or maybe anatomical, i.e. your brain
doesn't work right because of congenital defects?

Go ahead and confess. We won't judge you. (At least not any more
severely than you're judged on the content of your posts.)

On 07/07/2012 12:59 PM, sf wrote:

>>> So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
>>> store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
>>> take him to task?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have never seen cilanto labeled as coriander.
>
> Calling it coriander is a British thing - I guess you Canadians are
> more American than not.


I don't know about us being more American than not. Fact is that
cilantro is a relatively new thing here. I can pick it up at most
grocery stores, but but not at the smaller produce stands, which
typically carry parsley, dill and other WASP herbs. The first Mexican
(TexMex) restaurant in the area arrived about 25 years ago, and Thai
restaurants popped up after that. We didn't even know what cilantro
was, let alone that it was the plant from which we get coriander. Even
coriander was an almost unknown herb. The first time I had it was maybe
30 years ago when my wife came across a recipe for a lamb shoulder
roast that involved smearing ground coriander *seed* ;-) green onions
and other stuff on the inside and rolling it. We had to go out and find
the coriander seed, and that was no easy task.

So..... cilantro (fresh leaves) and coriander (seed) it is. It is the
way people I know distinguish them, the way it is sold in stores, the
way it is used in cook books and magazine recipes.

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 20:26:05 -0400, George M. Middius
> > wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
>>> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
>>> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
>>> cilantro.
>> So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
>> store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
>> take him to task?
>>
> Why would you say the grocer needs educating and should be taken to
> task? That's a confrontational way of "educating" someone.
>
> I like using the Spanish word "cilantro" for the greenery to
> differentiate it from the seed. It's an efficient way to get the
> point across quickly and eliminate one variable from the confusion
> equation - so there's no need to check for understanding the way I
> would have to if I was stuck with the term "fresh coriander"
>
I agree.

--
Jean B.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 15:26:49 -0400, George M. Middius
> > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>
>>>>> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
>>>>> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
>>>>> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
>>>>> cilantro.
>>>> So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
>>>> store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
>>>> take him to task?
>>>>
>>> Why would you say the grocer needs educating and should be taken to
>>> task? That's a confrontational way of "educating" someone.
>> Nevermind, Emily.
>>
>>> I like using the Spanish word "cilantro" for the greenery to
>>> differentiate it from the seed. It's an efficient way to get the
>>> point across quickly and eliminate one variable from the confusion
>>> equation - so there's no need to check for understanding the way I
>>> would have to if I was stuck with the term "fresh coriander"
>> Let's make that an RFC rule. All in favor?
>
> sf is a moron... the Spanish word is most often spelled "culantro".
> "Fresh coriander" refers to the entire live plant... "fresh cilantro"
> refers to the plant's fresh leaves as averse to its dehydrated leaves.
> Culinarilly "coriander" refers to the plants dried seeds... culinarily
> there is no such thing as "fresh coriander"... so let's make that RFC
> rule that George is a culinary/botanic imbecile.

I thought culantro was something else.

--
Jean B.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message

> Culinarilly "coriander" refers to the plants dried seeds... culinarily
> there is no such thing as "fresh coriander"...

That would apply only in the US.

USians call coriander leaf by the name 'cilantro' but English speakers in
the rest of the world call it coriander whether it is in form of the leaf or
ground or seeds.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/coriander
http://allrecipes.com.au/recipes/tag-496/coriander.aspx

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
.com...
> On 06/07/2012 8:26 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
>>> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
>>> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
>>> cilantro.
>>
>> So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
>> store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
>> take him to task?
>>
>>
>
> I have never seen cilanto labeled as coriander.

You will if you shop for it outside North America.

On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 22:47:13 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:

-snip-
>>
>> sf is a moron... the Spanish word is most often spelled "culantro".
>> "Fresh coriander" refers to the entire live plant... "fresh cilantro"
>> refers to the plant's fresh leaves as averse to its dehydrated leaves.
>> Culinarilly "coriander" refers to the plants dried seeds... culinarily
>> there is no such thing as "fresh coriander"... so let's make that RFC
>> rule that George is a culinary/botanic imbecile.
>
>I thought culantro was something else.

Oh no-- they are exactly the same-- just like a pug and a bulldog-- or
I guess as much as a carrot is the same as celery.<g>
All are Apiaceae--
Culantro is Eryngium foetidum
Cilantro is Coriandrum sativum

Jim

Jean B. wrote:

> >> Let's make that an RFC rule. All in favor?
> >
> > sf is a moron... the Spanish word is most often spelled "culantro".

> I thought culantro was something else.

Don't distract Shelley with facts. It makes him crazy.

Farm1 wrote:

> USians call coriander leaf by the name 'cilantro' but English speakers in
> the rest of the world call it coriander whether it is in form of the leaf or
> ground or seeds.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/coriander
> http://allrecipes.com.au/recipes/tag-496/coriander.aspx

What's that I heard from Oz? Sounds like "LALALA I can't hear you!"

On 7/7/2012 6:31 PM, Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 16:12:57 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> the Spanish word is most often spelled "culantro".
>
> Nope, different but similar herb.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eryngium_foetidum
>
> Christine
>
Quite different looking but the tastes of cilantro and culantro are
remarkably similar.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

On 06/07/12 14:28, wrote:

> Cilantro, on the other hand, just smells like turpentine.
>

Cilantro that I have bought couple of times in a supermarket and
farmer's market, has an intensive taste of rotten organic matter, with
an equally strong aftertaste which reminds me of smell of feces.

When a recipe calls for cilantro, I use lovage or Italian parsley or
celery leaf. Cilantro ? Never again.

On 7/8/2012 2:58 PM, Feranija wrote:
> On 06/07/12 14:28, wrote:
>
>> Cilantro, on the other hand, just smells like turpentine.
> >
>
> Cilantro that I have bought couple of times in a supermarket and
> farmer's market, has an intensive taste of rotten organic matter, with
> an equally strong aftertaste which reminds me of smell of feces.
>
> When a recipe calls for cilantro, I use lovage or Italian parsley or
> celery leaf. Cilantro ? Never again.
>
I like cilantro! I wish genetic cilantro haters would realize that how
it tastes to them is not how it is for the majority of others. In my
family there some who regard it as tasting like soap and others who
can't taste it at all :-)

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

On 7/8/2012 2:43 PM, James Silverton wrote:

>>
> I like cilantro! I wish genetic cilantro haters would realize that how
> it tastes to them is not how it is for the majority of others. In my
> family there some who regard it as tasting like soap and others who
> can't taste it at all :-)
>


I used to be one of the cilantro=soap tasters but over the years
I have come to like it. It tastes much better to me in Thai and other
Asian dishes rather than Mexican.

gloria p

On 08/07/2012 6:59 PM, gloria p wrote:

>> I like cilantro! I wish genetic cilantro haters would realize that how
>> it tastes to them is not how it is for the majority of others. In my
>> family there some who regard it as tasting like soap and others who
>> can't taste it at all :-)
>>
>
>
> I used to be one of the cilantro=soap tasters but over the years
> I have come to like it. It tastes much better to me in Thai and other
> Asian dishes rather than Mexican.

I took an instant liking to it. My wife used to hate it, but now she
likes it.

Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 22:47:13 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> I thought culantro was something else.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> It is. I posted the Wikipedia link for it.
>
> Christine

Yup, I saw that after I posted. It's good I can actually remember
a thing or two....

--
Jean B.

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Farm1 wrote:
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
>
>> Culinarilly "coriander" refers to the plants dried seeds... culinarily
>> there is no such thing as "fresh coriander"...
>
> That would apply only in the US.
>
> USians call coriander leaf by the name 'cilantro' but English speakers in
> the rest of the world call it coriander whether it is in form of the leaf or
> ground or seeds.
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/coriander
> http://allrecipes.com.au/recipes/tag-496/coriander.aspx
>
>
Interesting. I wonder why you haven't also made the switch,
because it does eliminate all possible confusion and the need to
add "seeds" or "green" or some other descriptor.

--
Jean B.

You can see some of my books at
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Farm1 wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> .com...
>> On 06/07/2012 8:26 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is the same as only as far as being from the same plant. Cilantro is
>>>> the greenery, and the leaves are usually stripped away from the stalks
>>>> for use. Coriander is the seed, and it tastes completely different from
>>>> cilantro.
>>> So what do you say when you see a bunch of stalks and leaves in the
>>> store labeled "coriander"? That grocer needs some educating. Would you
>>> take him to task?
>>>
>>>
>> I have never seen cilanto labeled as coriander.
>
> You will if you shop for it outside North America.
>
>
Shopping wouldn't be a problem, at least.

--
Jean B.
You can see some of my books at
http://www.librarything.com/catalog/ErstwhileEditor

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 22:47:13 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> -snip-
>>> sf is a moron... the Spanish word is most often spelled "culantro".
>>> "Fresh coriander" refers to the entire live plant... "fresh cilantro"
>>> refers to the plant's fresh leaves as averse to its dehydrated leaves.
>>> Culinarilly "coriander" refers to the plants dried seeds... culinarily
>>> there is no such thing as "fresh coriander"... so let's make that RFC
>>> rule that George is a culinary/botanic imbecile.
>> I thought culantro was something else.
>
> Oh no-- they are exactly the same-- just like a pug and a bulldog-- or
> I guess as much as a carrot is the same as celery.<g>
> All are Apiaceae--
> Culantro is Eryngium foetidum
> Cilantro is Coriandrum sativum
>
> Jim

Seeing that "foetidum", I had to look up asafoetida to verify that
it was not related.

--
Jean B.
You can see some of my books at
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