On 7/17/2012 11:24 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:02:31 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/17/2012 12:39 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:25:38 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those ads for WebTV may have been a little too white for me but who
>>>> could resist those happy, attractive, models of an advanced age taking
>>>> such delight in reaching out to the kids through their TV? Certainly not I.
>>>
>>> I must not watch the right television channels because I never see
>>> WebTV ads, not even back when it was at its most popular stage. In
>>> fact, I would think it was kaput if Judy and whoever else it is
>>> weren't posting.
>>>
>>
>> I don't recall where I saw it. Family magazines probably. Maybe even PC
>> mags - the idea being the the reader would buy his parents this box.
>
> Oh, okay. I don't subscribe to or read "family" magazines anymore and
> of course I don't subscribe to anything in a technical field.
>

WebTV is dead. Microsoft discontinued it a few years ago. They're
continuing to provide service (for the time being) to the dwindling
userbase, but they're not signing up new customers.

And for the near-universal disdain in which aol and webtv users are
held, it's because the fact that they're continuing to access the
internet via such outdated, antiquated means tells us they don't know
what the hell they're doing, where they are, and how they got there.
Back in the day when aol and webtv were popular, they were blamed for
unloosing hundreds of thousands of idiots onto the internet, which was
not welcomed by the more tech-savvy denizens.

In article >,
Christine Dabney > wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:13:13 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> > wrote:

> >Those conversations used to take place on r.f.c. until, I believe, there
> >was a reorganization and a few new rec.food. groups were established,
> >preserving being one of them ‹ there were enough of those posts going to
> >rfc that it seemed to warrant its own group.
>
> If I remember correctly, rec.food.preserving was not one of the groups
> that was in the re-organization process. I will have to look it up,
> but I was part of the group that did the re-organization and new
> groups proposal and establishment. It was so long ago, so I could be
> very wrong on this...
>
> Not that it matters that much...

It must have mattered.
>
> Christine

http://www.newsdemon.com/newsgroup-i...ood.preserving
--
Barb,
http://www.barbschaller.com, as of June 6, 2012

In article >,
Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:16:06 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:00:09 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> >> > wrote:

> >> >I wonder what a brix refractometer goes for.
> >>
> >> Not at all prohibitive:
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Refracto...c/dp/B001F07Z0
> >> 2
> >> I would have bet you'd have several...
> >
> >I don't -- but I have access if I *really* wanted the information. :-)
>
> That's true, you can always borrow me to use as a stardard of the
> sweetest.

Oh, right -- I forgot. You dope!! LOL!!
--
Barb,
http://www.barbschaller.com, as of June 6, 2012

On 2012-07-19 06:29:29 +0000, Farm1 said:

> I never, ever, demanded, or even sought, any explanation from you or
> anyone else. You should have been able to figure that out if you
> hadnt' been so busy thinking that the whole thread was about you as is
> evidenced by your continued attempt to describe someone else as an
> idiot.

You've gotten all the apologies you're getting from me. Seek a
psychiatrist for the gaping would of being called an idiot, it's likely
the only recourse.

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:18:10 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:59:28 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>snip
>>
>>My town has recently eased regs about keeping chickens. I still cannot
>>convince TH - his family owned a hatchery and I am lucky he even eats
>>the stuff.
>>
>>Boron
>
>So has my city. I don't think the raccoons would permit me to have
>the eggs ( The dog would love the company.
>Janet US


We're relatively few raccoons, but I am sure the local population of
them would be drawn to a henhouse.

Boron

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2012-07-18, Janet > wrote:
> > In article >,
>
> >> Yeah, but don't fergit, Janet, that comes with SPIDERS! 8o
>
> > Have you got a recipe for those?
>
> Eeeww!
>
> I hear the Amazon indians throw big tarantula-like spiders in the fire
> then eat them after all the hair is burned off. One more place I'll
> not be googling the travel gnome fer reservations!
>
> nb

At least the creature is cooked. I have eaten spiny sea-urchins raw.
Trip up the Amazon is on my bucket list, and I'll try any dish once.

Janet.

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:38:28 -0700, gtr > wrote:

>On 2012-07-19 06:29:29 +0000, Farm1 said:
>
>> I never, ever, demanded, or even sought, any explanation from you or
>> anyone else. You should have been able to figure that out if you
>> hadnt' been so busy thinking that the whole thread was about you as is
>> evidenced by your continued attempt to describe someone else as an
>> idiot.
>
>You've gotten all the apologies you're getting from me. Seek a
>psychiatrist for the gaping would of being called an idiot, it's likely
>the only recourse.

You must need a wheelbarrow to tote your testicles. Truly, you are a
sonovabitch.

Boron

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:09:35 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> Even after all these years I haven't developed a sound way to go about
> reading, marking for further interest and making sure that I get what
> is needed. I've used paper clips, markers, turned down pages, etc.
> There are just so many catalogs and so many tantalizing entries. . .
> Paring the list down to reasonable length takes real discipline ;o)
> Janet US

Begin the process by pinning them to a customized board on
http://pinterest.com/ or something similar. It makes reminding
yourself and comparing them infinitely easier.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 19/07/2012 1:59 AM, Farm1 wrote:

> That very much depends upon where one lives Sheldon. I live in countryside
> where the things grown by farmers are beef/lamb/mutton and horses. Not a
> tomato to be seen, no roadside stalls and it's a logn way to anywhere that a
> farmer might grow the things I want. That's why I have a vegetable garden,
> an orchard and poultry.

True, it does depend on where you live. I can ride around my block,
which is roughly one mile by one kilometre, and I can get(in season)
fresh tomatoes, asparagus, rhubarb, strawberries, blueberries,
raspberries, beans, peas, tomatoes cucumbers, cherries (sweet and sour)
pears, apples, peaches, corn, eggs and honey. There are also horses,
cows and chickens. A few miles from here I can drive past horse farms
and vineyards and there are no produces stands.

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:38:27 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:09:35 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>> Even after all these years I haven't developed a sound way to go about
>> reading, marking for further interest and making sure that I get what
>> is needed. I've used paper clips, markers, turned down pages, etc.
>> There are just so many catalogs and so many tantalizing entries. . .
>> Paring the list down to reasonable length takes real discipline ;o)
>> Janet US
>
>Begin the process by pinning them to a customized board on
>http://pinterest.com/ or something similar. It makes reminding
>yourself and comparing them infinitely easier.
thank you for the link, I'll investigate further
Janet US

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:18:10 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:59:28 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>snip
>>
>>My town has recently eased regs about keeping chickens. I still cannot
>>convince TH - his family owned a hatchery and I am lucky he even eats
>>the stuff.
>>
>>Boron
>
>So has my city. I don't think the raccoons would permit me to have
>the eggs ( The dog would love the company.
>Janet US

In New Haven CT a woman is being evicted from her apartment. She had
25 chickens and 2 goats. Some wee even in the bedroom.

On 19/07/2012 10:25 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
the eggs ( The dog would love the company.
>> Janet US
>
> In New Haven CT a woman is being evicted from her apartment. She had
> 25 chickens and 2 goats. Some wee even in the bedroom.
^^^^


Is that a typo or a euphemism? ;-)

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
>>Judy Haffner wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think I've ever read any posts in here in regards to making jam
>>> or jelly, so I just wondered if anybody in here does that?
>>
>>Boy, are you ever new!
>>
>>Tell her, gang.
>
> How many ribbons worth?


Grand total or per year?

Jill

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:45:51 +1000, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>
>>> Canning is a wonderful hobby and a great way to put by any largess
>>> that occurs during season. Nevertheless, there are two major hurdles
>>> to overcome for newbies- the initial investment in materials and the
>>> learning curve to master the technique in a healthy and safe way.
>>
>>What USians call 'canning', is called 'bottling' in Australia. I've
>>recently been doing some 'bottling (canning) using the method outlined in
>>this book:
>>http://cook-books.com.au/ccp0-prodsh...ving-book.html
>>and much to my suprise, it produces a good product, was very very easy to
>>do
>>in comparison to normal 'bottling' and it can be done in a fraction of the
>>time and in quantities that suit an older couple much better than the
>>previous larger jars I bottled.
>>
>>> Many here can easily overcome both those hurdles, but this group has a
>>> heightened interest in food. The general pop does not have that
>>> interest.
>>
>>I often think my poultry is more interested in good food than the general
>>pop. Perhaps I'm just being cynical.
>>
>
>
> My town has recently eased regs about keeping chickens. I still cannot
> convince TH - his family owned a hatchery and I am lucky he even eats
> the stuff.

I was raised on a poultry farm. My parents were unusual in that they would
not have a bar of caged hens and all our (well and fit) hens were free
ranged. This went from the chickens when they first got early feathering
and could be let out for a couple of hours before sunset, through to the
last shed of hens which were in the process of being culled. Every day, all
hens except the chickens under the brooder, were let out to free range. We
had one bank of cages that had 6 cages and any hens who were poorly went in
there to recover so that the other hens didn't pick on them or steal their
food.

I've always loved live chooks and eggs and chook meat.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:45:51 +1000, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>
>>> Canning is a wonderful hobby and a great way to put by any largess
>>> that occurs during season. Nevertheless, there are two major hurdles
>>> to overcome for newbies- the initial investment in materials and the
>>> learning curve to master the technique in a healthy and safe way.
>>
>>What USians call 'canning', is called 'bottling' in Australia. I've
>>recently been doing some 'bottling (canning) using the method outlined in
>>this book:
>>http://cook-books.com.au/ccp0-prodsh...ving-book.html
>>and much to my suprise, it produces a good product, was very very easy to
>>do
>>in comparison to normal 'bottling' and it can be done in a fraction of the
>>time and in quantities that suit an older couple much better than the
>>previous larger jars I bottled.
>>
>>> Many here can easily overcome both those hurdles, but this group has a
>>> heightened interest in food. The general pop does not have that
>>> interest.
>>
>>I often think my poultry is more interested in good food than the general
>>pop. Perhaps I'm just being cynical.
>>
> I was happy to see that a caution was included regarding botulism and
> the inappropriateness of using this method with veggies.

All methods for bottling of vegetables carry that warning in Australia.
Bottleing of vegetables is not something that has been done here for
probably the last 60 years or perhaps even logner.

"gtr" > wrote in message news:2012071908382894982-xxx@yyyzzz...
> On 2012-07-19 06:29:29 +0000, Farm1 said:
>
>> I never, ever, demanded, or even sought, any explanation from you or
>> anyone else. You should have been able to figure that out if you hadnt'
>> been so busy thinking that the whole thread was about you as is evidenced
>> by your continued attempt to describe someone else as an idiot.
>
> You've gotten all the apologies you're getting from me. Seek a
> psychiatrist for the gaping would of being called an idiot, it's likely
> the only recourse.

I have no gaping wound. If you choose to think that I do then you should
seek counselling for overrating your abilities.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:04:00 +1000, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
>>
>>Besides, reading the seed
>>> catalogs in January is a real pleasure.
>>
>>Oh yes! Add 6 months and what you say applies to me. I've spent the last
>>couple of weeks reading mine :-))
>>
>
> Even after all these years I haven't developed a sound way to go about
> reading, marking for further interest and making sure that I get what
> is needed. I've used paper clips, markers, turned down pages, etc.
> There are just so many catalogs and so many tantalizing entries. . .
> Paring the list down to reasonable length takes real discipline ;o)

I have 2 'garden' notebooks where I record such stuff. When that fails I
just buy lots of seeds (they're cheap if I take into account the pleasure
that the anticipation of their growth can give me). I hope to plant some
before the 'use by' date comes up. Even once that happens, I frequently
still plant those seeds and often, from the results, I figure that 'use by'
dates don't amount to a hill of beans.

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:53:23 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote:

>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:45:51 +1000, "Farm1" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Canning is a wonderful hobby and a great way to put by any largess
>>>> that occurs during season. Nevertheless, there are two major hurdles
>>>> to overcome for newbies- the initial investment in materials and the
>>>> learning curve to master the technique in a healthy and safe way.
>>>
>>>What USians call 'canning', is called 'bottling' in Australia. I've
>>>recently been doing some 'bottling (canning) using the method outlined in
>>>this book:
>>>http://cook-books.com.au/ccp0-prodsh...ving-book.html
>>>and much to my suprise, it produces a good product, was very very easy to
>>>do
>>>in comparison to normal 'bottling' and it can be done in a fraction of the
>>>time and in quantities that suit an older couple much better than the
>>>previous larger jars I bottled.
>>>
>>>> Many here can easily overcome both those hurdles, but this group has a
>>>> heightened interest in food. The general pop does not have that
>>>> interest.
>>>
>>>I often think my poultry is more interested in good food than the general
>>>pop. Perhaps I'm just being cynical.
>>>
>>
>>
>> My town has recently eased regs about keeping chickens. I still cannot
>> convince TH - his family owned a hatchery and I am lucky he even eats
>> the stuff.
>
>I was raised on a poultry farm. My parents were unusual in that they would
>not have a bar of caged hens and all our (well and fit) hens were free
>ranged. This went from the chickens when they first got early feathering
>and could be let out for a couple of hours before sunset, through to the
>last shed of hens which were in the process of being culled. Every day, all
>hens except the chickens under the brooder, were let out to free range. We
>had one bank of cages that had 6 cages and any hens who were poorly went in
>there to recover so that the other hens didn't pick on them or steal their
>food.

I think the family hatchery was a big operation. It's been gone for
well over 40 years, but I rather doubt there was anything free range
about it at all.

>I've always loved live chooks and eggs and chook meat.

Never had any experience closer to the live ones than seeing exhibits
at the county fair, or going into the kosher poulterer and picking
out the Sabbath bird, but I surely love eggs and chicken meat.

Boron
>

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:19:05 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote:

>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:04:00 +1000, "Farm1" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>Besides, reading the seed
>>>> catalogs in January is a real pleasure.
>>>
>>>Oh yes! Add 6 months and what you say applies to me. I've spent the last
>>>couple of weeks reading mine :-))
>>>
>>
>> Even after all these years I haven't developed a sound way to go about
>> reading, marking for further interest and making sure that I get what
>> is needed. I've used paper clips, markers, turned down pages, etc.
>> There are just so many catalogs and so many tantalizing entries. . .
>> Paring the list down to reasonable length takes real discipline ;o)
>
>I have 2 'garden' notebooks where I record such stuff. When that fails I
>just buy lots of seeds (they're cheap if I take into account the pleasure
>that the anticipation of their growth can give me). I hope to plant some
>before the 'use by' date comes up. Even once that happens, I frequently
>still plant those seeds and often, from the results, I figure that 'use by'
>dates don't amount to a hill of beans.
>
Seeds can be really expensive here. Some vegetable seeds can go for
12-15 seeds for between $3,59 - $4,50. Of course there are much
cheaper seeds to be had from low end catalogs and the supermarket. But
part of the joy of gardening is trying new varieties and varieties
with special attributes. Can't resist trying something new every
year.
Janet US

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:08:41 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote:

>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
snip
>>>
>> I was happy to see that a caution was included regarding botulism and
>> the inappropriateness of using this method with veggies.
>
>All methods for bottling of vegetables carry that warning in Australia.
>Bottleing of vegetables is not something that has been done here for
>probably the last 60 years or perhaps even logner.
>
At the very least, the home canning person would can tomatoes here.
But also beets and pickles of various vegetable types. It's true that
most all vegetable preserving is done by freezing.

Janet US

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 06:15:05 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:45:51 +1000, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
> >
> >> Canning is a wonderful hobby and a great way to put by any largess
> >> that occurs during season. Nevertheless, there are two major hurdles
> >> to overcome for newbies- the initial investment in materials and the
> >> learning curve to master the technique in a healthy and safe way.
> >
> >What USians call 'canning', is called 'bottling' in Australia. I've
> >recently been doing some 'bottling (canning) using the method outlined in
> >this book:
> >http://cook-books.com.au/ccp0-prodsh...ving-book.html
> >and much to my suprise, it produces a good product, was very very easy to do
> >in comparison to normal 'bottling' and it can be done in a fraction of the
> >time and in quantities that suit an older couple much better than the
> >previous larger jars I bottled.
> >
> >> Many here can easily overcome both those hurdles, but this group has a
> >> heightened interest in food. The general pop does not have that
> >> interest.
> >
> >I often think my poultry is more interested in good food than the general
> >pop. Perhaps I'm just being cynical.
> >
> I was happy to see that a caution was included regarding botulism and
> the inappropriateness of using this method with veggies. It's nice
> that the amounts are better for older couples.
> Janet US

Starting to peruse web sites about this idea, because small batch
canning appeals to me and the type I've always liked best was when my
grandmother used to make freezer jam. Her jam always tasted like the
berries had just been picked, which is much fresher than the flavor I
get using the stovetop method. In any case, this thread had two
comments that interested me
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/16...rowave-canning
One was about re-preserving things like the unused half of a can of
tomato paste and the other was a reminder about differing
wattage/voltage between the US and Aus.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 7/18/2012 3:56 PM, sf wrote:

>
> I think if I had a real question about preserving and I knew the other
> group existed, a cross post might be in order - but I wouldn't limit
> the post only to such an inactive group.


It's not that the rfp group is inactive so much as people ask questions
and reply to them fairly quickly without so much of the bs that goes on
here. Once a question has been answered there, very few people feel
the need to add their two cents worth.

gloria p

On 7/19/2012 10:11 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...

>>
>> I hear the Amazon indians throw big tarantula-like spiders in the fire
>> then eat them after all the hair is burned off. One more place I'll
>> not be googling the travel gnome fer reservations!
>>
>> nb
>


Traveling through Cambodia last fall we stopped at a farmer's market
with loads of stalls full of fruit and vegetables and a few had
fried tarantula legs, beetles, and other assorted bugs. We never saw
those in any restaurant, even those patronized almost exclusively by
residents, but they seemed to be selling well at the market for
immediate consumption. No, I didn't try them, or the fried water snake
folks were eating on the wall overlooking the moat around the temple at
Angkor Wat. I'm pretty flexible about food, but not at that level.

gloria p

On 20/07/2012 5:05 PM, gloria p wrote:
> On 7/18/2012 3:56 PM, sf wrote:
>
>>
>> I think if I had a real question about preserving and I knew the other
>> group existed, a cross post might be in order - but I wouldn't limit
>> the post only to such an inactive group.
>
>
> It's not that the rfp group is inactive so much as people ask questions
> and reply to them fairly quickly without so much of the bs that goes on
> here. Once a question has been answered there, very few people feel
> the need to add their two cents worth.


Maybe they get the right answers. I realize there are variations in
cooking, but some of the answers I have seen here are absolute BS.

On 20/07/2012 5:20 PM, gloria p wrote:

> Traveling through Cambodia last fall we stopped at a farmer's market
> with loads of stalls full of fruit and vegetables and a few had
> fried tarantula legs, beetles, and other assorted bugs. We never saw
> those in any restaurant, even those patronized almost exclusively by
> residents, but they seemed to be selling well at the market for
> immediate consumption. No, I didn't try them, or the fried water snake
> folks were eating on the wall overlooking the moat around the temple at
> Angkor Wat. I'm pretty flexible about food, but not at that level.
>

You never know..... it might be good. When I was a teen my parents went
to Denmark and my mother said that most part the food was pretty good,
but she was grossed out by smoked eel. She thought that it was
disgusting and would not even try it. When I went there I took a couple
guys out for lunch and asked them to order me a traditional Danish
lunch. It was smoked eel. It was incredible.

We once had a party and had a platter of smoked fish open face
sandwiches. We had dark rye with cream cheese and smoked salmon, and we
had dark rye with egg salad and smoked eel. I did not tell anyone that
it was eel. Those who liked the smoked salmon liked the the eel as much
or more.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:19:05 +1000, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:04:00 +1000, "Farm1" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>Besides, reading the seed
>>>>> catalogs in January is a real pleasure.
>>>>
>>>>Oh yes! Add 6 months and what you say applies to me. I've spent the
>>>>last
>>>>couple of weeks reading mine :-))
>>>>
>>>
>>> Even after all these years I haven't developed a sound way to go about
>>> reading, marking for further interest and making sure that I get what
>>> is needed. I've used paper clips, markers, turned down pages, etc.
>>> There are just so many catalogs and so many tantalizing entries. . .
>>> Paring the list down to reasonable length takes real discipline ;o)
>>
>>I have 2 'garden' notebooks where I record such stuff. When that fails I
>>just buy lots of seeds (they're cheap if I take into account the pleasure
>>that the anticipation of their growth can give me). I hope to plant some
>>before the 'use by' date comes up. Even once that happens, I frequently
>>still plant those seeds and often, from the results, I figure that 'use
>>by'
>>dates don't amount to a hill of beans.
>>
> Seeds can be really expensive here. Some vegetable seeds can go for
> 12-15 seeds for between $3,59 - $4,50. Of course there are much
> cheaper seeds to be had from low end catalogs and the supermarket. But
> part of the joy of gardening is trying new varieties and varieties
> with special attributes. Can't resist trying something new every
> year.

That is a high price - here, depending on the variety, that would be the
price for the most expensive seeds and some packs where one pays that price
would include hundreds of seeds.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:08:41 +1000, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
> snip
>>>>
>>> I was happy to see that a caution was included regarding botulism and
>>> the inappropriateness of using this method with veggies.
>>
>>All methods for bottling of vegetables carry that warning in Australia.
>>Bottleing of vegetables is not something that has been done here for
>>probably the last 60 years or perhaps even logner.
>>
> At the very least, the home canning person would can tomatoes here.

Here too, but since tomatoes are a fruit, they aren't warned against.

> But also beets and pickles of various vegetable types. It's true that
> most all vegetable preserving is done by freezing.

Interesting.

"sf" > wrote in message

> One was about re-preserving things like the unused half of a can of
> tomato paste and the other was a reminder about differing
> wattage/voltage between the US and Aus.

The wattage is the important item mentioned in the book - you need to know
the wattage of your microwave to determine the time for cooking a jar of a
particular size.

Since things electrical confuse me completely, I can offer no more
illumination other than to tell you what wattage my machine operates at and
how long it takes to do the preserving of 1 x 375gram old salsa jar in my
microwave. In addition, I can add that a minute should be added for each
additional jar added to the oven up to a maximum of 4 jars done at one
sitting.

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:59:15 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> > One was about re-preserving things like the unused half of a can of
> > tomato paste and the other was a reminder about differing
> > wattage/voltage between the US and Aus.
>
> The wattage is the important item mentioned in the book - you need to know
> the wattage of your microwave to determine the time for cooking a jar of a
> particular size.
>
> Since things electrical confuse me completely, I can offer no more
> illumination other than to tell you what wattage my machine operates at and
> how long it takes to do the preserving of 1 x 375gram old salsa jar in my
> microwave. In addition, I can add that a minute should be added for each
> additional jar added to the oven up to a maximum of 4 jars done at one
> sitting.
>

Sounds like it will be important to buy the book. I looked it up and
it's available in an American version here, thanks!


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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"gloria p" > wrote in message
...

> Traveling through Cambodia last fall we stopped at a farmer's market
> with loads of stalls full of fruit and vegetables and a few had
> fried tarantula legs, beetles, and other assorted bugs. We never saw
> those in any restaurant, even those patronized almost exclusively by
> residents, but they seemed to be selling well at the market for immediate
> consumption. No, I didn't try them, or the fried water snake folks were
> eating on the wall overlooking the moat around the temple at Angkor Wat.
> I'm pretty flexible about food, but not at that level.
>

ewwwwwwwwwwww
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--

http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:59:15 +1000, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>
>> > One was about re-preserving things like the unused half of a can of
>> > tomato paste and the other was a reminder about differing
>> > wattage/voltage between the US and Aus.
>>
>> The wattage is the important item mentioned in the book - you need to
>> know
>> the wattage of your microwave to determine the time for cooking a jar of
>> a
>> particular size.
>>
>> Since things electrical confuse me completely, I can offer no more
>> illumination other than to tell you what wattage my machine operates at
>> and
>> how long it takes to do the preserving of 1 x 375gram old salsa jar in my
>> microwave. In addition, I can add that a minute should be added for each
>> additional jar added to the oven up to a maximum of 4 jars done at one
>> sitting.
>>
>
> Sounds like it will be important to buy the book. I looked it up and
> it's available in an American version here, thanks!

What book? I have never used the microwave for that and I would love to
know how
--
--

http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:45:42 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:59:15 +1000, "Farm1" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> > One was about re-preserving things like the unused half of a can of
> >> > tomato paste and the other was a reminder about differing
> >> > wattage/voltage between the US and Aus.
> >>
> >> The wattage is the important item mentioned in the book - you need to
> >> know
> >> the wattage of your microwave to determine the time for cooking a jar of
> >> a
> >> particular size.
> >>
> >> Since things electrical confuse me completely, I can offer no more
> >> illumination other than to tell you what wattage my machine operates at
> >> and
> >> how long it takes to do the preserving of 1 x 375gram old salsa jar in my
> >> microwave. In addition, I can add that a minute should be added for each
> >> additional jar added to the oven up to a maximum of 4 jars done at one
> >> sitting.
> >>
> >
> > Sounds like it will be important to buy the book. I looked it up and
> > it's available in an American version here, thanks!
>
> What book? I have never used the microwave for that and I would love to
> know how
> --

The book was mentioned upthread.
http://cook-books.com.au/ccp0-prodsh...ving-book.html
The American version uses the word "Canning" instead of Bottling.
http://www.amazon.com/5-Minute-Micro.../dp/1742484778
I see there's a video on the subject too
http://www.instructables.com/id/Micr...the-Microwave/

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

In article >,
Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> On Jul 17, 3:48*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
> >> On 7/17/2012 12:34 PM, Janet wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article >,
> >> > says...
> >>
> >> >> The art of canning/preserving is dying out. The younger generation will
> >> >> not place much value on grandmas canning supplies and pressure cooker.
> >> >> Let's face it, fresh food is easily available these days. Even on this
> >> >> rock in the middle of nowhere, we no longer have to rely on canned
> >> >> foods
> >> >> and homemade preserves.
> >>
> >> > * *But you live in a year-round growing climate. For people who can only
> >> > grow a kitchen garden in a short summer season, it makes sense to
> >> > preserve
> >> > /conserve for winter.
> >>
> >> Land for growing at home is scarce and I think the local don't really
> >> have a history of growing their own food.
>
> It's actually far less costly to buy bulk quantities directly from the
> farmers and orchardmen... for preserves bushel baskets of drops at
> like $6 are much less expensive than growing ones own. Home gardening
> is strictly a hobby, there is no monetary savings whatsoever... it's
> far cheaper to buy ones vine ripened tomatoes from the local farm
> stands (NOT farmer's markets).

There may be no monetary savings, Sheldon, and I also would not
necessarily relegate the exercise to 'hobby' status. In my case, yup,
it's mostly hobby ‹ something I enjoy doing for personal satisfaction.
There are lots of people who do home canning because the stuff usually
tastes better than commercially canned. There are others who stumble
into it because they don't have freezer space and have to do *something*
with the glut of tomatoes they face. Different strokes for different
folks. The bottom line for value received is not always about dollars
and cents. :-P
--
Barb,
http://www.barbschaller.com, as of June 6, 2012

On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:38:01 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:



>>
>> It's actually far less costly to buy bulk quantities directly from the
>> farmers and orchardmen... for preserves bushel baskets of drops at
>> like $6 are much less expensive than growing ones own. Home gardening
>> is strictly a hobby, there is no monetary savings whatsoever... it's
>> far cheaper to buy ones vine ripened tomatoes from the local farm
>> stands (NOT farmer's markets).
>
>There may be no monetary savings, Sheldon, and I also would not
>necessarily relegate the exercise to 'hobby' status. In my case, yup,
>it's mostly hobby ‹ something I enjoy doing for personal satisfaction.
>There are lots of people who do home canning because the stuff usually
>tastes better than commercially canned. There are others who stumble
>into it because they don't have freezer space and have to do *something*
>with the glut of tomatoes they face. Different strokes for different
>folks. The bottom line for value received is not always about dollars
>and cents. :-P


Some stuff is best purchase from the farm stand, but tomatoes are not.
With a $1 plant, I can get 10 pounds or more of tomatoes. The
cheapest I've seen them is $2 a pound and often they are $4 a pound. A
couple of plants are a good investment.

>On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:38:01 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> It's actually far less costly to buy bulk quantities directly from the
>>> farmers and orchardmen... for preserves bushel baskets of drops at
>>> like $6 are much less expensive than growing ones own. Home gardening
>>> is strictly a hobby, there is no monetary savings whatsoever... it's
>>> far cheaper to buy ones vine ripened tomatoes from the local farm
>>> stands (NOT farmer's markets).
>>
>>There may be no monetary savings, Sheldon, and I also would not
>>necessarily relegate the exercise to 'hobby' status. In my case, yup,
>>it's mostly hobby ‹ something I enjoy doing for personal satisfaction.
>>There are lots of people who do home canning because the stuff usually
>>tastes better than commercially canned. There are others who stumble
>>into it because they don't have freezer space and have to do *something*
>>with the glut of tomatoes they face. Different strokes for different
>>folks. The bottom line for value received is not always about dollars
>>and cents. :-P

I was talking about obtaining the ingredients, not the canning. And
it's always cheaper to freeze cooked veggies than to can, especially
tomato sauce... can cram a lot of zip-locs of sauce into an average
freezer. As to growing tomatoes, homegrowns are like zukes, around
here you can't give them away. I can buy vine ripened romas by the
peck from the local farm stands for $5... really no monetary savings
to grow ones own, a home garden is strictly a hobby. And most folks
grow salad tomatoes, you can't can or cook those into sauce, and they
all come in at once and nearly everyone has a family member with a
home garden, you can't give them away. Most years I have to compost
more beefsteak and cherry tomatoes than I can eat... I can already see
it will be another one of those bumper crop tomato years. Each year I
cut back on how many tomato plants I put in... and the plants are no
longer cheap, and growing from seed here with its shart growing season
can be iffy. Seed packets are no longer cheap either. Oh yeah, I'm
gonna buy a green house for three grand, and heat it, that will really
make growing veggies from seed cheaper.

The canners all buy drops from the orchards, why pay $2/lb at the
market when they can buy a bushel of drops for $6... there is nothing
a paring knife can't fix with very little loss... drops are perfect
for canning. And growing ones own fruit trees makes it even more
expensive, and after all the expense and labor very iffy whether one
actually gets a crop. I was counting on a lot of plums this year but
due to weather conditions I got not a one (an early warm spell and
then a hard frost killed all the blossoms before the bees woke up). My
fruit trees cost me $60 each five years ago... these were seven year
old balled and burlapped, weighed well over 100 pounds each, could
barely lift one, had to prepare huge planting holes an d roll them in.
I had to plant them, amend the soil, fence them (fencing ain't cheap),
weed and mow around them, deep water them during droughts, and only
last year did I get a measly amount to eat, about a shoeboxful worth.
This year there'll be nothing, I'm hoping for next year. It's much
less expensive to buy drops from the orchards. I do it only because I
enjoy the trees, and I get to choose what fruit I want... I purposely
planted a green gage plum, but nothing yet. I love when folks who
don't garden talk about getting bumper crops each year as if by magic,
and at no cost... only in their dreams. I already lost several plants
to the critters and had to replace them... birds know how to find and
pluck seeds from the ground even before they sprout, and crows love
fresh sprouts, even when I try to protect the rows with quonsets of
chicken wire those black ******* commandos go in for the kill, even
netting won't deter crows, I've seen them dig underneath, they're like
friggin' dogs. They can get in, eat everything, and never think how
to get out. And I gotta rescue them, than all they do is laugh at
me... caw, caw, CAW!

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:16:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Some stuff is best purchase from the farm stand, but tomatoes are not.
> With a $1 plant, I can get 10 pounds or more of tomatoes. The
> cheapest I've seen them is $2 a pound and often they are $4 a pound. A
> couple of plants are a good investment.

Don't forget the cost of water in this day and age. I shouldn't
mention your labor and materials costs (there's more to it than buying
that plant), but I will.

--

You are what you eat, so avoid fruitcake and nuts.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> There may be no monetary savings, Sheldon, and I also would not
> necessarily relegate the exercise to 'hobby' status. In my case, yup,
> it's mostly hobby ‹ something I enjoy doing for personal satisfaction.
> There are lots of people who do home canning because the stuff usually
> tastes better than commercially canned. There are others who stumble
> into it because they don't have freezer space and have to do *something*
> with the glut of tomatoes they face. Different strokes for different
> folks. The bottom line for value received is not always about dollars
> and cents. :-P


I can because I can.

-Bob

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:33:36 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:16:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> Some stuff is best purchase from the farm stand, but tomatoes are not.
>> With a $1 plant, I can get 10 pounds or more of tomatoes. The
>> cheapest I've seen them is $2 a pound and often they are $4 a pound. A
>> couple of plants are a good investment.
>
>Don't forget the cost of water in this day and age. I shouldn't
>mention your labor and materials costs (there's more to it than buying
>that plant), but I will.

Depends on where you live and the amount of rain you get each year. We
live outside the city and have wells. This year we only watered a
couple of times before we started getting rain. It doesn't take long
to discover whether or not you should plant a garden.

If you live in a city you probably only have a few plants and are not
going to use hundreds of gallons of water on them in a season. Not as
much as many people spend on keeping grass green.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:33:36 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:16:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> Some stuff is best purchase from the farm stand, but tomatoes are not.
>> With a $1 plant, I can get 10 pounds or more of tomatoes. The
>> cheapest I've seen them is $2 a pound and often they are $4 a pound. A
>> couple of plants are a good investment.
>
>Don't forget the cost of water in this day and age.

Don't cry, but my water is $2.60/1000gallons. cheaper than I could
pump it myself. Gotta love the northeast.

>I shouldn't
>mention your labor and materials costs (there's more to it than buying
>that plant), but I will.

I got over the idea of growing or canning to save money. I do it so I
can eat things I can't buy- for any price.

Jim

On 7/28/2012 6:43 PM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 10:33:36 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:16:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> Some stuff is best purchase from the farm stand, but tomatoes are not.
>>> With a $1 plant, I can get 10 pounds or more of tomatoes. The
>>> cheapest I've seen them is $2 a pound and often they are $4 a pound. A
>>> couple of plants are a good investment.
>>
>> Don't forget the cost of water in this day and age.
>
> Don't cry, but my water is $2.60/1000gallons. cheaper than I could
> pump it myself. Gotta love the northeast.

Depends where. We pay $26.25/thousand gallons. That is mostly because of
our water company called "american water". They were on a quest for
world domination in municipal water maybe 10 years ago and vastly
overpaid for our older water system.


>
>> I shouldn't
>> mention your labor and materials costs (there's more to it than buying
>> that plant), but I will.
>
> I got over the idea of growing or canning to save money. I do it so I
> can eat things I can't buy- for any price.
>
> Jim
>