"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:12:30 -0400, George M. Middius
> > wrote:
>
>>Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>> > Don't throw it in the trash -- throw it OUT. As in out the window when
>>> > you drive by a park or square with wildlife. That's my favorite way to
>>> > dispose of extra bread.
>>>
>>> feeding wildlife is inimical to their health and definitely not
>>> environmental
>>
>>You trailed off in mid-thought.
>>
>>I disagree that feeding them is bad for them. I say it's fine for
>>them. You might as well say that eating junk food is "inimical to
>>humans' health".
>
> And bread isn't junk food.

Some bread is definitely junk food.

Cheri

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:05:56 -0700, "Cheri" > wrote:

>I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun" and BK
>does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could have the
>bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone. Seriously, it just
>seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well not a problem now. ;-)
>
>Cheri

Wanna really freak out the BK staff?
Order a cheeseburger without the bun, no meat, no pickles ketchup or
mustard, no lettuce, no onions, and no cheese.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:05:56 -0700, "Cheri" > wrote:
>
>>I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun" and
>>BK
>>does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could have the
>>bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone. Seriously, it just
>>seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well not a problem now. ;-)
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Wanna really freak out the BK staff?
> Order a cheeseburger without the bun, no meat, no pickles ketchup or
> mustard, no lettuce, no onions, and no cheese.

Then you just ask for a hamburger patty. Nothing else. Done it many times.
Nobody freaked.

On 26/07/2012 11:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> om...
>> On 25/07/2012 6:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>> .com...
>>>> On 25/07/2012 5:05 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun"
>>>>> and BK does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could
>>>>> have the bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone.
>>>>> Seriously, it just seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well not
>>>>> a problem now. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, your way, but a burger, by definition, has a bun.
>>>
>>>
>>> And...leave the bun off, by definition, means leave the bun off...which
>>> is my way!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Do you ever order French fries hold the potatoes, or tossed salad hold the
>> lettuce.
>
> I have seen old menus like from the 1940s that say things like hamburger and
> gravy or hamburger sandwich. I think only since the fast food places have
> taken over have hamburgers become something on a bun. You can still get
> hamburgers with gravy but they are usually called hamburger steak now.
>
>
All too true. When I was a child, we used to be served hamburgers and
there wasn't a bun in sight. Just a burger or two, depending on size, on
a plate with vegetables and gravy. Not a bad meal as I recall. Note
these were all home made and the ubiquitous take away food places did
not yet exist!

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Krypsis

On 26/07/2012 1:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> On 7/25/2012 9:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>> om...
>>>> On 25/07/2012 6:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>>> .com...
>>>>>> On 25/07/2012 5:05 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun"
>>>>>>> and BK does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> have the bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone.
>>>>>>> Seriously, it just seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> a problem now. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, your way, but a burger, by definition, has a bun.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And...leave the bun off, by definition, means leave the bun off...which
>>>>> is my way!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you ever order French fries hold the potatoes, or tossed salad hold
>>>> the
>>>> lettuce.
>>>
>>> I have seen old menus like from the 1940s that say things like hamburger
>>> and
>>> gravy or hamburger sandwich. I think only since the fast food places
>>> have
>>> taken over have hamburgers become something on a bun. You can still get
>>> hamburgers with gravy but they are usually called hamburger steak now.
>>>
>>>
>> I would call them Salisbury steak.
>
> True Salisbury steak has more in it than just ground beef. It usually has
> bread or cracker crumbs.
>
>
My dear old Mum used to mix bread up with the mince beef. Other stuff
was included but all I can recall is the onion.

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Krypsis

On 26/07/2012 7:25 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" wrote:
>>> If I was with you, I'd take your discarded bun.
>>
>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun" and BK
>> does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could have the
>> bun if you paid for the burger.
>
> Yeah right. If I pay for the burger, I'm eating the whole thing.
> If you want to throw out your bun, throw it out or give it to me.
>
>> A win win for everyone.
>
> Your idea is a win win for Cheri only.
>
>> Seriously, it just seems wasteful to throw the bun out,
>> but oh well not a problem now. ;-)
>
> It is wasteful. My daughter and I used to go to a Hardee's that had a big
> fixings bar for their burgers. You could buy a plain hamburger and fix it
> up into a deluxe burger yourself.
>
> One day, my daughter opened her hamburger and it was just a bun. They
> actually forgot to put the burger on it. So I took it back up to the
> counter and they gave me a replacement. I asked if they wanted this bun
> back and they said, "just keep it."
>
> So...I fixed up the bun only with all the fixings and made a very tasty
> deluxe veggie burger. I really didn't even miss the burger wafer. heheh
>
A pleasant ending, nothing wrong with a veggie bun. Can't really call it
a burger if the burger's missing!
Besides, the burgers in modern hambugers in no way resembles anything
that we used to think of as a hamburger. Ours were from absolutely fresh
ingredients, usually bought fresh on the day. No telling how long these
heavily processed, salt laden wafers have languished in freezer rooms.

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Krypsis

On 26/07/2012 8:04 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>
>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun" and BK
>> does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could have the
>> bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone. Seriously, it just
>> seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well not a problem now. ;-)
>
> Don't throw it in the trash -- throw it OUT. As in out the window when
> you drive by a park or square with wildlife. That's my favorite way to
> dispose of extra bread.
>
>
Processed food, especially bread, can actually kill wildlife. A
neighbour had some chickens in her backyard. She fed them on bread and,
instead of remaining healthy, they began to die off. It was suggested to
her that grains might be a more suitable diet and the remaining
survivors have thrived.

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Krypsis

On 26/07/2012 1:51 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:12:30 -0400, George M. Middius
> > wrote:
>
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>>> Don't throw it in the trash -- throw it OUT. As in out the window when
>>>> you drive by a park or square with wildlife. That's my favorite way to
>>>> dispose of extra bread.
>>>
>>> feeding wildlife is inimical to their health and definitely not environmental
>>
>> You trailed off in mid-thought.
>>
>> I disagree that feeding them is bad for them. I say it's fine for
>> them. You might as well say that eating junk food is "inimical to
>> humans' health".
>
> And bread isn't junk food.
>
It is for birds. Better to give them the unmilled grain.

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Krypsis

On 26/07/2012 2:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:12:30 -0400, George M. Middius
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Don't throw it in the trash -- throw it OUT. As in out the window
>>>> when
>>>> > you drive by a park or square with wildlife. That's my favorite
>>>> way to
>>>> > dispose of extra bread.
>>>>
>>>> feeding wildlife is inimical to their health and definitely not
>>>> environmental
>>>
>>> You trailed off in mid-thought.
>>>
>>> I disagree that feeding them is bad for them. I say it's fine for
>>> them. You might as well say that eating junk food is "inimical to
>>> humans' health".
>>
>> And bread isn't junk food.
>
> Some bread is definitely junk food.
>
> Cheri
>
Especially with the high salt levels most "factory" breads have these days.

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Krypsis

On 26/07/2012 1:12 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>
>>> Don't throw it in the trash -- throw it OUT. As in out the window when
>>> you drive by a park or square with wildlife. That's my favorite way to
>>> dispose of extra bread.
>>
>> feeding wildlife is inimical to their health and definitely not environmental
>
> You trailed off in mid-thought.
>
> I disagree that feeding them is bad for them. I say it's fine for
> them. You might as well say that eating junk food is "inimical to
> humans' health".
>
>
Feeding wild birds is bad, even if the food is similar to what they
consume in their wild state. You see, they become dependent upon the
"easy food" and no longer forage in the wild. Especially bad for junior
birds who always have access to "easy food" as they never learn to
forage. Apart from the health concerns of the "easy food", foraging is
absolutely necessary and it brings to the birds a host of other
nutrients that they just can't get any other way.


--

Krypsis

On 26/07/2012 1:45 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:52:49 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> George M. Middius > wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun" and
>>>> BK
>>>> does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could have the
>>>> bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone. Seriously, it just
>>>> seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well not a problem now. ;-)
>>>
>>> Don't throw it in the trash -- throw it OUT. As in out the window when
>>> you drive by a park or square with wildlife. That's my favorite way to
>>> dispose of extra bread.
>>
>> feeding wildlife is inimical to their health and definitely not environmental
>
> One burger bun for dozens pigeons in a park is no more feeding than a
> handful of peanuts is feeding an elephant at the zoo... and that act
> is certainly not inimical/hostile.
>
It is when hundreds of people follow the same idea! I might add that the
pidgeons attracted by the easy food supply then become a problem in
other ways, the most notable being the pigeon poop everywhere. That
brings with it health risks to humans. This is a fact that most councils
are now beginning to recognise and advise against bird feeding in parks.
Might also add that whatever food isn't eaten by birds attracts other
vermin such as rats and mice. In my neighbourhood, some people whose
properties back onto parkland, are developing the habit of throwing
their unwanted bread over the back fence. It will lay there the whole
day, the birds won't touch it. The next morning it will be gone. So, if
the birds aren't eating it, what is? My guess is either rats or foxes,
but I tend to favour the rats.

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Krypsis

On 26/07/2012 5:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:05:56 -0700, "Cheri" > wrote:
>>
>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun" and
>>> BK
>>> does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could have the
>>> bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone. Seriously, it just
>>> seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well not a problem now. ;-)
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Wanna really freak out the BK staff?
>> Order a cheeseburger without the bun, no meat, no pickles ketchup or
>> mustard, no lettuce, no onions, and no cheese.
>
> Then you just ask for a hamburger patty. Nothing else. Done it many times.
> Nobody freaked.
>
>
He did say "no meat"! I guess that's the "hamburger patty" excluded.

--

Krypsis

Krypsis wrote:

> >>> Don't throw it in the trash -- throw it OUT. As in out the window when
> >>> you drive by a park or square with wildlife. That's my favorite way to
> >>> dispose of extra bread.
> >>
> >> feeding wildlife is inimical to their health and definitely not environmental
> >
> > You trailed off in mid-thought.
> >
> > I disagree that feeding them is bad for them. I say it's fine for
> > them. You might as well say that eating junk food is "inimical to
> > humans' health".

> Feeding wild birds is bad, even if the food is similar to what they
> consume in their wild state.

Actually, I wasn't thinking of birds. I take your word on this topic.
I was thinking of rodents.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:56:26 +1000, Krypsis >
wrote:

>On 26/07/2012 1:45 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:52:49 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> George M. Middius > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun" and
>>>>> BK
>>>>> does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could have the
>>>>> bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone. Seriously, it just
>>>>> seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well not a problem now. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Don't throw it in the trash -- throw it OUT. As in out the window when
>>>> you drive by a park or square with wildlife. That's my favorite way to
>>>> dispose of extra bread.
>>>
>>> feeding wildlife is inimical to their health and definitely not environmental
>>
>> One burger bun for dozens pigeons in a park is no more feeding than a
>> handful of peanuts is feeding an elephant at the zoo... and that act
>> is certainly not inimical/hostile.
>>
>It is when hundreds of people follow the same idea! I might add that the
>pidgeons attracted by the easy food supply then become a problem in
>other ways, the most notable being the pigeon poop everywhere. That
>brings with it health risks to humans. This is a fact that most councils
>are now beginning to recognise and advise against bird feeding in parks.
>Might also add that whatever food isn't eaten by birds attracts other
>vermin such as rats and mice. In my neighbourhood, some people whose
>properties back onto parkland, are developing the habit of throwing
>their unwanted bread over the back fence. It will lay there the whole
>day, the birds won't touch it. The next morning it will be gone. So, if
>the birds aren't eating it, what is? My guess is either rats or foxes,
>but I tend to favour the rats.

You're full of doodoo... birds can spot bread (any food) at a thousand
yards, especially crows... yesterday I tossed the fat trimmings from
meat from my deck out into my yard and before I was back inside and
had the slider closed four crows were taking lunch. You may not see
them in the tree tops but birds are always watching. No food gets
wasted here, even watermelon rinds get tosed onto the lawn and some
critters eat them because by morning they're gone.

Salad bar:
http://i45.tinypic.com/eimm84.jpg

Krypsis wrote:
> >
> A pleasant ending, nothing wrong with a veggie bun. Can't really call it
> a burger if the burger's missing!
> Besides, the burgers in modern hambugers in no way resembles anything
> that we used to think of as a hamburger. Ours were from absolutely fresh
> ingredients, usually bought fresh on the day. No telling how long these
> heavily processed, salt laden wafers have languished in freezer rooms.

There are plenty of places left that do recognizable burgers. Fudruckers
and Braum's come to mind and I'm sure there are plenty of others around
the country.

On 7/25/2012 2:36 PM, Gary wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Used to go through that at Burger King when ordering a burger with no bun.
>> It shouldn't be too hard to leave the bun off, but for some reason it was.
>> Haven't been there for awhile so dunno if they've figured it out or not. I
>> know "In and Out Burger" always had the option.
>
> Most fast food restaurants freak out with special orders. Instead of
> leaving the bun off, you should have just ordered the regular and taken the
> bun off yourself. If I was with you, I'd take your discarded bun.
>
> Gary
>


During college we often went to Friendly's (Boston area) for burgers and
sundaes. During Passover one Jewish girl with us requested her burger
"without bread". The waitress asked about it and was told why.
The burger came on toast, as they always served their "Big Beef"
burgers. We suggested removing the meat but she would not and ate only
the fries.

Was the meat really tainted by touching the leavened bread? (If she
were devoutedly Kosher she wouldn't be eating there on any day, nu?)

gloria p

Krypsis wrote:
>
> On 26/07/2012 5:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:05:56 -0700, "Cheri" > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun" and
> >>> BK
> >>> does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could have the
> >>> bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone. Seriously, it just
> >>> seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well not a problem now. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Cheri
> >>
> >> Wanna really freak out the BK staff?
> >> Order a cheeseburger without the bun, no meat, no pickles ketchup or
> >> mustard, no lettuce, no onions, and no cheese.
> >
> > Then you just ask for a hamburger patty. Nothing else. Done it many times.
> > Nobody freaked.
> >
> >
> He did say "no meat"! I guess that's the "hamburger patty" excluded.
>
> --
>
> Krypsis

So what's left would seem to be a smear of mayo in a wrapper.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:46:31 +1000, Krypsis >
wrote:

>On 26/07/2012 1:12 PM, George M. Middius wrote:
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>>> Don't throw it in the trash -- throw it OUT. As in out the window when
>>>> you drive by a park or square with wildlife. That's my favorite way to
>>>> dispose of extra bread.
>>>
>>> feeding wildlife is inimical to their health and definitely not environmental
>>
>> You trailed off in mid-thought.
>>
>> I disagree that feeding them is bad for them. I say it's fine for
>> them. You might as well say that eating junk food is "inimical to
>> humans' health".
>>
>>
>Feeding wild birds is bad, even if the food is similar to what they
>consume in their wild state. You see, they become dependent upon the
>"easy food" and no longer forage in the wild. Especially bad for junior
>birds who always have access to "easy food" as they never learn to
>forage. Apart from the health concerns of the "easy food", foraging is
>absolutely necessary and it brings to the birds a host of other
>nutrients that they just can't get any other way.

An old, debunked myth and total BS.
Birds only supplement their diet up to 10 to 20 percent at feeders.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service office of Bird Management states:
"If you enjoy feeding the birds, there is no reason to stop feeding
the birds in the summer. You can do it year round. Feeding the birds
in the summer will not make them lazy or too dependant."

The Cornell Lab of Ornithology is certainly a recognized world
authority on birds and their scientists state; " Keep the restaurant
open year round and offer a variety of seeds and suet."

Ross.
Southern Ontario, Canada

"gloria p" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/25/2012 2:36 PM, Gary wrote:
>> Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> Used to go through that at Burger King when ordering a burger with no
>>> bun.
>>> It shouldn't be too hard to leave the bun off, but for some reason it
>>> was.
>>> Haven't been there for awhile so dunno if they've figured it out or not.
>>> I
>>> know "In and Out Burger" always had the option.
>>
>> Most fast food restaurants freak out with special orders. Instead of
>> leaving the bun off, you should have just ordered the regular and taken
>> the
>> bun off yourself. If I was with you, I'd take your discarded bun.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>
>
> During college we often went to Friendly's (Boston area) for burgers and
> sundaes. During Passover one Jewish girl with us requested her burger
> "without bread". The waitress asked about it and was told why.
> The burger came on toast, as they always served their "Big Beef" burgers.
> We suggested removing the meat but she would not and ate only the fries.
>
> Was the meat really tainted by touching the leavened bread? (If she were
> devoutedly Kosher she wouldn't be eating there on any day, nu?)
>
> gloria p



The reasons obviously mattered to her, she should have gotten it the way she
requested it, which was a pretty simple request IMO.

Cheri

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:05:40 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Sure, your way, but a burger, by definition, has a bun.
>
>If it's just a burger, why isn't it a burger? I sometimes make burgers
>with pan gravy and grilled veggies. What would you call that?

Salisbury steak.

Ross.
Southern Ontario, Canada

gloria p wrote:

> Was the meat really tainted by touching the leavened bread? (If she
> were devoutedly Kosher she wouldn't be eating there on any day, nu?)

How did your friend the Princess explain her fastidious spurning of
the bread? Was she in telepathic communication with her rabbi?

Ross@home wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:05:40 -0400, George M. Middius
> > wrote:
>
> >Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> Sure, your way, but a burger, by definition, has a bun.
> >
> >If it's just a burger, why isn't it a burger? I sometimes make burgers
> >with pan gravy and grilled veggies. What would you call that?
>
> Salisbury steak.

Half-Salisbuty steak. Burgers are ground beef patties, Salisbury steak
is normally more of a meatloaf patty with onions and binders included.

Ross@home wrote:

> The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service office of Bird Management states:
> "If you enjoy feeding the birds, there is no reason to stop feeding
> the birds in the summer. You can do it year round. Feeding the birds
> in the summer will not make them lazy or too dependant."

It would be more credible if you copy-paste the quote.

Ross@home wrote:

> >> Sure, your way, but a burger, by definition, has a bun.
> >
> >If it's just a burger, why isn't it a burger? I sometimes make burgers
> >with pan gravy and grilled veggies. What would you call that?
>
> Salisbury steak.


Nope. That's different.

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
> gloria p wrote:
>
>> Was the meat really tainted by touching the leavened bread? (If she
>> were devoutedly Kosher she wouldn't be eating there on any day, nu?)
>
> How did your friend the Princess explain her fastidious spurning of
> the bread? Was she in telepathic communication with her rabbi?
>


Why did she need to explain it? I worked in food service for many years, and
I would have served it the way she wanted it if possible. Leaving off the
bread is a pretty simple request.

Cheri

George Moron Middius wrote:
>Ross@home wrote:
>
>> The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service office of Bird Management states:
>> "If you enjoy feeding the birds, there is no reason to stop feeding
>> the birds in the summer. You can do it year round. Feeding the birds
>> in the summer will not make them lazy or too dependant."
>
>It would be more credible if you copy-paste the quote.

Perusing the Audubon site you'll find the same recommendations.
http://www.audubon.org/search/node/bird%20feeders

On Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:37:48 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> &quot;gloria p&quot; &gt; wrote in message
> ...
> &gt; On 7/25/2012 2:36 PM, Gary wrote:
> &gt;&gt; Cheri wrote:
> &gt;&gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;&gt; Used to go through that at Burger King when ordering a burger with no
> &gt;&gt;&gt; bun.
> &gt;&gt;&gt; It shouldn't be too hard to leave the bun off, but for some reason it
> &gt;&gt;&gt; was.
> &gt;&gt;&gt; Haven't been there for awhile so dunno if they've figured it out or not.
> &gt;&gt;&gt; I
> &gt;&gt;&gt; know &quot;In and Out Burger&quot; always had the option.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Most fast food restaurants freak out with special orders. Instead of
> &gt;&gt; leaving the bun off, you should have just ordered the regular and taken
> &gt;&gt; the
> &gt;&gt; bun off yourself. If I was with you, I'd take your discarded bun.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Gary
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; During college we often went to Friendly's (Boston area) for burgers and
> &gt; sundaes. During Passover one Jewish girl with us requested her burger
> &gt; &quot;without bread&quot;. The waitress asked about it and was told why.
> &gt; The burger came on toast, as they always served their &quot;Big Beef&quot; burgers.
> &gt; We suggested removing the meat but she would not and ate only the fries.
> &gt;
> &gt; Was the meat really tainted by touching the leavened bread? (If she were
> &gt; devoutedly Kosher she wouldn't be eating there on any day, nu?)
> &gt;
> &gt; gloria p
>
>
>
> The reasons obviously mattered to her, she should have gotten it the way she
> requested it, which was a pretty simple request IMO.
>
> Cheri

That's only because you're not an uptight robot. :-)

Gary wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
>
>> Used to go through that at Burger King when ordering a burger with no bun.
>> It shouldn't be too hard to leave the bun off, but for some reason it was.
>> Haven't been there for awhile so dunno if they've figured it out or not. I
>> know "In and Out Burger" always had the option.
>
> Most fast food restaurants freak out with special orders. Instead of
> leaving the bun off, you should have just ordered the regular and taken the
> bun off yourself. If I was with you, I'd take your discarded bun.

I've had burger places so confused when I ordered no bun I gave up doing
that at most places. I've also had some see me toss the bun and ask why
I didn't order it without a bun. I didn't order it without a bun
because I've had enough experiences of problems doing that that I don't
try at most places.

Some places it's a known option so I do order it that way. In-N-Out
protein style. Hardee's lettuce wrap. Some places the order is full
custom so I'll specify something "plus chilli, minus bun". Fuddruckers
and Smashburger are full custom. Most places it's not on the menu and
the person taking the order is there because they have no experience
working or their experience working demonstrated that's all they could
do. Fast food does not draw the top graduates.

In article >, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1>
wrote:

> >>> feeding wildlife is inimical to their health and definitely not
> >>> environmental
> >>
> >> One burger bun for dozens pigeons in a park is no more feeding than a
> >> handful of peanuts is feeding an elephant at the zoo... and that act
> >> is certainly not inimical/hostile.
> >>
> >It is when hundreds of people follow the same idea! I might add that the
> >pidgeons attracted by the easy food supply then become a problem in
> >other ways, the most notable being the pigeon poop everywhere. That
> >brings with it health risks to humans. This is a fact that most councils
> >are now beginning to recognise and advise against bird feeding in parks.
> >Might also add that whatever food isn't eaten by birds attracts other
> >vermin such as rats and mice. In my neighbourhood, some people whose
> >properties back onto parkland, are developing the habit of throwing
> >their unwanted bread over the back fence. It will lay there the whole
> >day, the birds won't touch it. The next morning it will be gone. So, if
> >the birds aren't eating it, what is? My guess is either rats or foxes,
> >but I tend to favour the rats.
>
> You're full of doodoo... birds can spot bread (any food) at a thousand
> yards, especially crows... yesterday I tossed the fat trimmings from
> meat from my deck out into my yard and before I was back inside and
> had the slider closed four crows were taking lunch. You may not see
> them in the tree tops but birds are always watching. No food gets
> wasted here, even watermelon rinds get tosed onto the lawn and some
> critters eat them because by morning they're gone.

Whhhhooooooooooooosssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Krypsis wrote:
> On 26/07/2012 5:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:05:56 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no
>>>> bun" and BK
>>>> does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could
>>>> have the bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone.
>>>> Seriously, it just seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh
>>>> well not a problem now. ;-) Cheri
>>>
>>> Wanna really freak out the BK staff?
>>> Order a cheeseburger without the bun, no meat, no pickles ketchup or
>>> mustard, no lettuce, no onions, and no cheese.
>>
>> Then you just ask for a hamburger patty. Nothing else. Done it
>> many times. Nobody freaked.
>>
>>
> He did say "no meat"! I guess that's the "hamburger patty" excluded.

Ohhhhhhh. I missed that part. Duh!

On Jul 26, 1:35*pm, Gary > wrote:
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > You're full of doodoo... birds can spot bread (any food) at a thousand
> > yards, especially crows... yesterday I tossed the fat trimmings from
> > meat from my deck out into my yard and before I was back inside and
> > had the slider closed four crows were taking lunch. *You may not see
> > them in the tree tops but birds are always watching. *No food gets
> > wasted here, even watermelon rinds get tosed onto the lawn and some
> > critters eat them because by morning they're gone.
>
> And here where I live, seagulls will spot any food thrown easily from a
> thousand yards. *Toss any food out anywhere around here and within 20
> seconds many will show up.
>
> G.

Great fun to do that at the ocean out of a second or third story hotel
room! They can really hover when they want to- one almost snatched the
chip out of my fingers!

On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:54:36 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> &quot;dsi1&quot; &gt; wrote in message
> ...
> &gt; On 7/25/2012 3:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> &gt;&gt; I have seen old menus like from the 1940s that say things like hamburger
> &gt;&gt; and
> &gt;&gt; gravy or hamburger sandwich. I think only since the fast food places
> &gt;&gt; have
> &gt;&gt; taken over have hamburgers become something on a bun. You can still get
> &gt;&gt; hamburgers with gravy but they are usually called hamburger steak now.
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; Hamburger and gravy is practically our national dish.
> &gt;
> &gt; http://tamarindandthyme.wordpress.co.../30/loco-moco/
>
> I could do without the egg!

That's perfectly acceptable. You'll just have to substitute the egg with your choice of a mound of kimchee or 1 pickled pig's foot.

On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:57:50 PM UTC-10, Krypsis wrote:
> On 26/07/2012 5:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> &gt; &gt; wrote in message
> &gt; ...
> &gt;&gt; On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:05:56 -0700, &quot;Cheri&quot; &gt; wrote:
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;&gt; I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting &quot;no bun&quot; and
> &gt;&gt;&gt; BK
> &gt;&gt;&gt; does tout &quot;have it your way&quot; so...If you were with me, you could have the
> &gt;&gt;&gt; bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone. Seriously, it just
> &gt;&gt;&gt; seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well not a problem now. ;-)
> &gt;&gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt;&gt; Cheri
> &gt;&gt;
> &gt;&gt; Wanna really freak out the BK staff?
> &gt;&gt; Order a cheeseburger without the bun, no meat, no pickles ketchup or
> &gt;&gt; mustard, no lettuce, no onions, and no cheese.
> &gt;
> &gt; Then you just ask for a hamburger patty. Nothing else. Done it many times.
> &gt; Nobody freaked.
> &gt;
> &gt;
> He did say &quot;no meat&quot;! I guess that's the &quot;hamburger patty&quot; excluded.
>
> --
>
> Krypsis

My wife used to work at Jack in the Box. Some guy once ordered a hamburger at the drive through. He said he wanted it fast so when he came around, they just handed him a raw burger patty.

They had codes phrases like "cheese at the window", which meant that there was a good looking guy at the drive-through and that was the heads-up for everybody to look and gawk. That crew was crazy! OTOH, what do you expect at a place where you order by talking to a clown head? My guess is that these days, everybody there is depressed.

We went to an IHOP this morning - I could tell everybody there was depressed and hated their jobs. That's the breaks.

On 26/07/2012 6:00 PM, merryb wrote:

>> And here where I live, seagulls will spot any food thrown easily from a
>> thousand yards. Toss any food out anywhere around here and within 20
>> seconds many will show up.
>>
>> G.
>
> Great fun to do that at the ocean out of a second or third story hotel
> room! They can really hover when they want to- one almost snatched the
> chip out of my fingers!

The last time I was in Vancouver we stayed in a hotel near downtown and
were quite high up (for Vancouver) maybe the 10th floor. We had the
window open and about 6 am I was rudely awakened by a screaming gull
who was halfway in the room.


Then there was the time we took my son and his friend on a picnic at a
beach on Lake Erie. A bunch of low lifes moved into the spot next to
us. They were drinking and carrying on and getting worse and worse. I
had asked them to turn down their crappy music and to tone down the
profanities. They just got worse. We were finished eating had some
leftover sandwiches, chips and other junk food. I packed up everything
but the food. With my wife and kids in the car I flung the food scraps
across their picnic area. It took about ten seconds to attract dozens
of gulls, and I could see more flying in as we drove off. ;-)

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:35:25 +1000, Krypsis >
wrote:

>On 26/07/2012 7:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" wrote:
>>>> If I was with you, I'd take your discarded bun.
>>>
>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun" and BK
>>> does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you could have the
>>> bun if you paid for the burger.
>>
>> Yeah right. If I pay for the burger, I'm eating the whole thing.
>> If you want to throw out your bun, throw it out or give it to me.
>>
>>> A win win for everyone.
>>
>> Your idea is a win win for Cheri only.
>>
>>> Seriously, it just seems wasteful to throw the bun out,
>>> but oh well not a problem now. ;-)
>>
>> It is wasteful. My daughter and I used to go to a Hardee's that had a big
>> fixings bar for their burgers. You could buy a plain hamburger and fix it
>> up into a deluxe burger yourself.
>>
>> One day, my daughter opened her hamburger and it was just a bun. They
>> actually forgot to put the burger on it. So I took it back up to the
>> counter and they gave me a replacement. I asked if they wanted this bun
>> back and they said, "just keep it."
>>
>> So...I fixed up the bun only with all the fixings and made a very tasty
>> deluxe veggie burger. I really didn't even miss the burger wafer. heheh
>>
>A pleasant ending, nothing wrong with a veggie bun. Can't really call it
>a burger if the burger's missing!
>Besides, the burgers in modern hambugers in no way resembles anything
>that we used to think of as a hamburger. Ours were from absolutely fresh
>ingredients, usually bought fresh on the day. No telling how long these
>heavily processed, salt laden wafers have languished in freezer rooms.

I'm sure there a many places where you can still get a really decent
burger. If you happen to be anywhere near Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
and are in the mood for a great burger and/or some top notch soup you
should try Little Louie's Burger Joint & Soupery.
Fresh hand made patties, cooked to perfection. A list of toppings,
sauces and sides that'll be hard to beat. When you walk in and want a
burger, you're handed a clipboard and it's build your own. The price
is right. Just take a look at the build your own burger order form:
http://www.cambridgenow.ca/cdps/dirp...d=6413&pid=680
Check off what you want, put your name at the bottom and they'll bring
it to your table when it's ready.

Ross.
Southern Ontario, Canada

"Krypsis" > wrote in message
...
> On 26/07/2012 11:10 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> om...
>>> On 25/07/2012 6:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>> .com...
>>>>> On 25/07/2012 5:05 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no bun"
>>>>>> and BK does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> have the bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone.
>>>>>> Seriously, it just seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> a problem now. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, your way, but a burger, by definition, has a bun.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And...leave the bun off, by definition, means leave the bun off...which
>>>> is my way!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you ever order French fries hold the potatoes, or tossed salad hold
>>> the
>>> lettuce.
>>
>> I have seen old menus like from the 1940s that say things like hamburger
>> and
>> gravy or hamburger sandwich. I think only since the fast food places
>> have
>> taken over have hamburgers become something on a bun. You can still get
>> hamburgers with gravy but they are usually called hamburger steak now.
>>
>>
> All too true. When I was a child, we used to be served hamburgers and
> there wasn't a bun in sight. Just a burger or two, depending on size, on a
> plate with vegetables and gravy. Not a bad meal as I recall. Note these
> were all home made and the ubiquitous take away food places did not yet
> exist!

A typical meal at our house was a hamburger patty and canned peas. Never
any bread.

"Krypsis" > wrote in message
...
> On 26/07/2012 1:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> . com...
>>> On 7/25/2012 9:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>> om...
>>>>> On 25/07/2012 6:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>>>> .com...
>>>>>>> On 25/07/2012 5:05 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no
>>>>>>>> bun"
>>>>>>>> and BK does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> have the bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone.
>>>>>>>> Seriously, it just seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> a problem now. ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, your way, but a burger, by definition, has a bun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And...leave the bun off, by definition, means leave the bun
>>>>>> off...which
>>>>>> is my way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you ever order French fries hold the potatoes, or tossed salad hold
>>>>> the
>>>>> lettuce.
>>>>
>>>> I have seen old menus like from the 1940s that say things like
>>>> hamburger
>>>> and
>>>> gravy or hamburger sandwich. I think only since the fast food places
>>>> have
>>>> taken over have hamburgers become something on a bun. You can still
>>>> get
>>>> hamburgers with gravy but they are usually called hamburger steak now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I would call them Salisbury steak.
>>
>> True Salisbury steak has more in it than just ground beef. It usually
>> has
>> bread or cracker crumbs.
>>
>>
> My dear old Mum used to mix bread up with the mince beef. Other stuff was
> included but all I can recall is the onion.

Tonight I was talking to a mom at the dance studio. She said they were
having hamburgers for dinner. Her daughter begged her not to put oatmeal in
hers. The mom then said she liked oatmeal because of the fiber. Well then
feed her oatmeal! Or put the burger on a bun or bread made with oatmeal.
But don't mess up her meat!

On 27/07/2012 12:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Krypsis" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 26/07/2012 1:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>>> . com...
>>>> On 7/25/2012 9:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>>> om...
>>>>>> On 25/07/2012 6:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> .com...
>>>>>>>> On 25/07/2012 5:05 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no
>>>>>>>>> bun"
>>>>>>>>> and BK does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> have the bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone.
>>>>>>>>> Seriously, it just seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh well
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> a problem now. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, your way, but a burger, by definition, has a bun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And...leave the bun off, by definition, means leave the bun
>>>>>>> off...which
>>>>>>> is my way!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you ever order French fries hold the potatoes, or tossed salad hold
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> lettuce.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have seen old menus like from the 1940s that say things like
>>>>> hamburger
>>>>> and
>>>>> gravy or hamburger sandwich. I think only since the fast food places
>>>>> have
>>>>> taken over have hamburgers become something on a bun. You can still
>>>>> get
>>>>> hamburgers with gravy but they are usually called hamburger steak now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I would call them Salisbury steak.
>>>
>>> True Salisbury steak has more in it than just ground beef. It usually
>>> has
>>> bread or cracker crumbs.
>>>
>>>
>> My dear old Mum used to mix bread up with the mince beef. Other stuff was
>> included but all I can recall is the onion.
>
> Tonight I was talking to a mom at the dance studio. She said they were
> having hamburgers for dinner. Her daughter begged her not to put oatmeal in
> hers. The mom then said she liked oatmeal because of the fiber. Well then
> feed her oatmeal! Or put the burger on a bun or bread made with oatmeal.
> But don't mess up her meat!
>
>
My Mum used to mix the bread in to give the burger a bit of "body",
helps it stay together. Maybe the oatmeal served the same purpose?


--

Krypsis

"Krypsis" > wrote in message
...
> On 27/07/2012 12:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Krypsis" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 26/07/2012 1:50 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>>>> . com...
>>>>> On 7/25/2012 9:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>>>> om...
>>>>>>> On 25/07/2012 6:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> .com...
>>>>>>>>> On 25/07/2012 5:05 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I did that more times than I can count, even when requesting "no
>>>>>>>>>> bun"
>>>>>>>>>> and BK does tout "have it your way" so...If you were with me, you
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> have the bun if you paid for the burger. A win win for everyone.
>>>>>>>>>> Seriously, it just seems wasteful to throw the bun out, but oh
>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> a problem now. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, your way, but a burger, by definition, has a bun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And...leave the bun off, by definition, means leave the bun
>>>>>>>> off...which
>>>>>>>> is my way!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you ever order French fries hold the potatoes, or tossed salad
>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> lettuce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have seen old menus like from the 1940s that say things like
>>>>>> hamburger
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> gravy or hamburger sandwich. I think only since the fast food places
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> taken over have hamburgers become something on a bun. You can still
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> hamburgers with gravy but they are usually called hamburger steak
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would call them Salisbury steak.
>>>>
>>>> True Salisbury steak has more in it than just ground beef. It usually
>>>> has
>>>> bread or cracker crumbs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My dear old Mum used to mix bread up with the mince beef. Other stuff
>>> was
>>> included but all I can recall is the onion.
>>
>> Tonight I was talking to a mom at the dance studio. She said they were
>> having hamburgers for dinner. Her daughter begged her not to put oatmeal
>> in
>> hers. The mom then said she liked oatmeal because of the fiber. Well
>> then
>> feed her oatmeal! Or put the burger on a bun or bread made with oatmeal.
>> But don't mess up her meat!
>>
>>
> My Mum used to mix the bread in to give the burger a bit of "body", helps
> it stay together. Maybe the oatmeal served the same purpose?

No. She said the girl needed added fiber.

On 7/26/2012 8:28 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Tonight I was talking to a mom at the dance studio. She said they were
> having hamburgers for dinner. Her daughter begged her not to put oatmeal in
> hers. The mom then said she liked oatmeal because of the fiber. Well then
> feed her oatmeal! Or put the burger on a bun or bread made with oatmeal.
> But don't mess up her meat!


Because not everybody kisses their children's asses and is held hostage
by them the same way that you are.