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Take a look at this YouTube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6_cP4u51M

Of course there's nothing wrong with taking good care of animals.
Obviously the horse/pony likes her immensely and is willing to do
little tricks for her. But stroking and kissing a horse to the
point that it has an erection? Is that normal for girls taking
care of horses?

Note the gushing praise that video is receiving from girls.

I'm familiar with the idea of woman-horse love. There's a joke
about girls liking horses in one of my favorite movies Little Big
Man (1970). But bestiality is not really considered normal, is it?
I would like to see a poll asking that question, with the results
separated by gender. But, unfortunately, the one-way media never
provides results separated by gender on important issues, let
alone a volatile issue like this one.
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On Aug 15, 9:06*am, John Doe > wrote:
> Take a look at this YouTube video.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6_cP4u51M
>
> Of course there's nothing wrong with taking good care of animals.
> Obviously the horse/pony likes her immensely and is willing to do
> little tricks for her. But stroking and kissing a horse to the
> point that it has an erection? Is that normal for girls taking
> care of horses?
>
> Note the gushing praise that video is receiving from girls.
>
> I'm familiar with the idea of woman-horse love. There's a joke
> about girls liking horses in one of my favorite movies Little Big
> Man (1970). But bestiality is not really considered normal, is it?
> I would like to see a poll asking that question, with the results
> separated by gender. But, unfortunately, the one-way media never
> provides results separated by gender on important issues, let
> alone a volatile issue like this one.


That is just so wrong.
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"John Doe" > wrote in message
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> Take a look at this YouTube video.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6_cP4u51M
>

An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"
My observations since have proved that to be true.
Graham


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>An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
>woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"


Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh
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On Aug 15, 12:26*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> "graham" wrote:
>
> >An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
> >woman who has horses. *The horses will *always* come first!"

>
> Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
> good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh


I bet you think you made that up, huh...pee wee?


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On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:06:00 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
> Take a look at this YouTube video.
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6_cP4u51M
>
>
>
> Of course there's nothing wrong with taking good care of animals.
>
> Obviously the horse/pony likes her immensely and is willing to do
>
> little tricks for her. But stroking and kissing a horse to the
>
> point that it has an erection? Is that normal for girls taking
>
> care of horses?
>
>
>
> Note the gushing praise that video is receiving from girls.
>
>
>
> I'm familiar with the idea of woman-horse love. There's a joke
>
> about girls liking horses in one of my favorite movies Little Big
>
> Man (1970). But bestiality is not really considered normal, is it?
>
> I would like to see a poll asking that question, with the results
>
> separated by gender. But, unfortunately, the one-way media never
>
> provides results separated by gender on important issues, let
>
> alone a volatile issue like this one.


Exene seemed to enjoy it.
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Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> "graham" wrote:
>>
>> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never
>> marry a woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come
>> first!"

>
> Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal...
> there's good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh


Is encouraging underage girls to practice bestiality normal and
good, where you come from?

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On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:56:14 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> "John Doe" > wrote in message
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> ...
>
> > Take a look at this YouTube video.

>
> >

>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6_cP4u51M

>
> >

>
> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
>
> woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"
>
> My observations since have proved that to be true.
>
> Graham


What are the motives of the "guy" undoubtedly, who is filming this video?
More than likely "he" is getting his "jollies" from this as much as the girl.
These video leads need not be plastered all over forums such as this one but
these mal-adjusted people think that everyone should be as screwed in the
head as they are.
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On 15/08/2012 3:26 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> "graham" wrote:
>>
>> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
>> woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"

>
> Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
> good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh
>



And the male horses that most girls may ride are gelded, so that thing
is little more than an ornament.


The horse riding world is a puzzle. When I was a kid there were a lot of
westerns, in the movies and on television. They were ridden almost
exclusively by cowboys and other males, rarely by women.

I took up rising in my 50s. The stable were I rode had only two male
riders, me and another guy who was about 40. There were more than 50
female students, many of them teens or younger.

When you go to local schooling shows the competitors are almost all
female. I was usually the only male competing, and there would be 30-40
females from age 8 to 60. When you get into the regional competitions,
the male participation increases from less to 5% to maybe 15%. The
higher you go in the horse show world, the higher the percentage of
males. When it gets to the international level it is about 2/3 male.
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Roy <wilagro hotmail.com> wrote:

>> "John Doe" <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote


>>> Take a look at this YouTube video.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6_cP4u51M
>>>
>>> Of course there's nothing wrong with taking good care of
>>> animals. Obviously the horse/pony likes her immensely and is
>>> willing to do little tricks for her. But stroking and kissing
>>> a horse to the point that it has an erection? Is that normal
>>> for girls taking care of horses?
>>>
>>> Note the gushing praise that video is receiving from girls.
>>>
>>> I'm familiar with the idea of woman-horse love. There's a joke
>>> about girls liking horses in one of my favorite movies Little
>>> Big Man (1970). But bestiality is not really considered
>>> normal, is it? I would like to see a poll asking that
>>> question, with the results separated by gender. But,
>>> unfortunately, the one-way media never provides results
>>> separated by gender on important issues, let alone a volatile
>>> issue like this one.


> What are the motives of the "guy" undoubtedly, who is filming
> this video? More than likely "he" is getting his "jollies" from
> this as much as the girl.


Speaking for yourself?

In fact, the filmer is a 24-year-old female from the Netherlands.

> These video leads need not be plastered all over forums such as
> this one but these mal-adjusted people think that everyone
> should be as screwed in the head as they are.


See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Just like a monkey.

There are some changes going on in the world that good people
should know about. The above referenced video is a product of
Western social liberalism. It's a dead serious fundamental problem
to do with the ruling class promoting women's "rights" on the rest
of us. You don't have to worry about it, it will take some time
before the real shit hits the fan, and you'll probably be gone by
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graham wrote:
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> > Take a look at this YouTube video.
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6_cP4u51M
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> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
> woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"


Or maybe... The horses will always *come* first.

G.
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:20:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 15/08/2012 3:26 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "graham" wrote:
>>>
>>> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
>>> woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"

>>
>> Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
>> good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh
>>

>
>
>And the male horses that most girls may ride are gelded, so that thing
>is little more than an ornament.
>
>
>The horse riding world is a puzzle. When I was a kid there were a lot of
>westerns, in the movies and on television. They were ridden almost
>exclusively by cowboys and other males, rarely by women.


Dale Evans... many of the westerns from the '50s featured females
riding horses.

>I took up rising in my 50s. The stable were I rode had only two male
>riders, me and another guy who was about 40. There were more than 50
>female students, many of them teens or younger.
>
>When you go to local schooling shows the competitors are almost all
>female. I was usually the only male competing, and there would be 30-40
>females from age 8 to 60. When you get into the regional competitions,
>the male participation increases from less to 5% to maybe 15%. The
>higher you go in the horse show world, the higher the percentage of
>males. When it gets to the international level it is about 2/3 male.


Then why are all jockey's male... and polo players?
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On Aug 15, 2:18*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:20:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On 15/08/2012 3:26 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> "graham" wrote:

>
> >>> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
> >>> woman who has horses. *The horses will *always* come first!"

>
> >> Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
> >> good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh

>
> >And the male horses that most girls may ride are gelded, so that thing
> >is little more than an ornament.

>
> >The horse riding world is a puzzle. When I was a kid there were a lot of
> >westerns, in the movies and on television. They were ridden almost
> >exclusively by cowboys and other males, rarely by women.

>
> Dale Evans... many of the westerns from the '50s featured females
> riding horses.
>
> >I took up rising in my 50s. The stable were I rode had only two male
> >riders, me and another guy who was about 40. There were more than 50
> >female students, many of them teens or younger.

>
> >When you go to local schooling shows the competitors are almost all
> >female. I was usually the only male competing, and there would be 30-40
> >females from age 8 to 60. *When you get into the regional competitions,
> >the male participation increases from less to 5% to maybe 15%. The
> >higher you go in the horse show world, the higher the percentage of
> >males. When it gets to the international level it is about 2/3 male.

>
> Then why are all jockey's male... and polo players?


There are a number of female jockeys.
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Chemo wrote:

> > >An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
> > >woman who has horses. *The horses will *always* come first!"

> >
> > Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
> > good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh

>
> I bet you think you made that up, huh...pee wee?


You better raise your shields. Did you see Shelley explode at Mary
yesterday? Not a pretty picture.


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On Aug 15, 1:20*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:

> The horse riding world is a puzzle. When I was a kid there were a lot of
> westerns, in the movies and on television. They were ridden almost
> exclusively by cowboys and other males, rarely by women.
>
> I took up rising in my 50s. The stable were I rode had only two male
> riders, me and another guy who was about 40. There were more than 50
> female students, many of them teens or younger.
>
> When you go to local schooling shows the competitors are almost all
> female. I was usually the only male competing, and there would be 30-40
> females from age 8 to 60. *When you get into the regional competitions,
> the male participation increases from less to 5% to maybe 15%. The
> higher you go in the horse show world, the higher the percentage of
> males. When it gets to the international level it is about 2/3 male.


Men want to conquer, while I think for most women competition is just
a way to structure the time they spend with their horses. Look at
librarians and at schoolteachers: while women dominate both
professions, men are disproportionately represented at the upper
levels.


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On 15/08/2012 5:18 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:20:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 15/08/2012 3:26 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> "graham" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
>>>> woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"
>>>
>>> Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
>>> good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh
>>>

>>
>>
>> And the male horses that most girls may ride are gelded, so that thing
>> is little more than an ornament.
>>
>>
>> The horse riding world is a puzzle. When I was a kid there were a lot of
>> westerns, in the movies and on television. They were ridden almost
>> exclusively by cowboys and other males, rarely by women.

>
> Dale Evans... many of the westerns from the '50s featured females
> riding horses.


That's...... one.


>
>> I took up rising in my 50s. The stable were I rode had only two male
>> riders, me and another guy who was about 40. There were more than 50
>> female students, many of them teens or younger.
>>
>> When you go to local schooling shows the competitors are almost all
>> female. I was usually the only male competing, and there would be 30-40
>> females from age 8 to 60. When you get into the regional competitions,
>> the male participation increases from less to 5% to maybe 15%. The
>> higher you go in the horse show world, the higher the percentage of
>> males. When it gets to the international level it is about 2/3 male.

>
> Then why are all jockey's male... and polo players?


Jockeys are not all male these days.
Polo.... not exactly in the real world that most of us live in. I took
riding lessons for 7 years and still go to shows, but I only know one
guy who plays polo. It is a rich man's game. From what I found online,
there are 10 polo clubs in Canada. They only one anywhere near here has
two categories of membership for adults, Gold $5200 per year, and Silver
which gets you four games for only $3600.



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In article >, John Doe >
wrote:

> See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Just like a monkey.
>
> There are some changes going on in the world that good people
> should know about.


Yes, there are taliban in every culture and we should beware of people like you.


> The above referenced video is a product of
> Western social liberalism.


Yes, because nowhere else in the world do people actually so bond with their
cats, dogs, horses, camels, mules, etc that it becomes a form of love



> It's a dead serious fundamental problem
> to do with the ruling class promoting women's "rights" on the rest
> of us.


Actually it is more a problem of those that would seek to marginalize a group of
people. But you are right in calling it a "fundamental problem", it's
fundamentalists like the taliban you wish to be who would deprive us all of
music, literature, pictures, films and even computers because they all allow us
to understand there is a world so much bigger than the taliban want us to
believe in.


> You don't have to worry about it, it will take some time
> before the real shit hits the fan, and you'll probably be gone by
> then. Enjoy your blissful ignorance.


Oh don't be so modest. You taliban will never be satisfied until you've
conquered our need to express ourselves OR you will go postal and some clinic
for women

Sad really that the taliban see filth in everything except their words
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"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged invalid.invalid> wrote:

> John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:


>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6_cP4u51M
>>
>> Of course there's nothing wrong with taking good care of
>> animals. Obviously the horse/pony likes her immensely and is
>> willing to do little tricks for her. But stroking and kissing a
>> horse to the point that it has an erection? Is that normal for
>> girls taking care of horses?
>>
>> Note the gushing praise that video is receiving from [underage]
>> girls.
>>
>> I'm familiar with the idea of woman-horse love. There's a joke
>> about girls liking horses in one of my favorite movies Little
>> Big Man (1970). But bestiality is not really considered normal,
>> is it? I would like to see a poll asking that question, with
>> the results separated by gender. But, unfortunately, the
>> one-way media never provides results separated by gender on
>> important issues, let alone a volatile issue like this one.


>> There are some changes going on in the world that good people
>> should know about.

>
> Yes, there are taliban in every culture and we should beware of
> people like you.


Thomas Jefferson admired women who were soft, passive, modest, and
chaste, and who possessed such artistic talents as made them
ornaments of a masculine world. (McLaughlin, 1988, p. 195).

>> The above referenced video is a product of Western social
>> liberalism.

>
> Yes, because nowhere else in the world do people actually so
> bond with their cats, dogs, horses, camels, mules, etc that it
> becomes a form of love


I've stumbled across some of the random troll's bondage and
bestiality videos on the Internet, as mentioned above.

>> It's a dead serious fundamental problem to do with the ruling
>> class promoting women's "rights" on the rest of us.

>
> Actually it is more a problem of those that would seek to
> marginalize a group of people.


Seventy percent of Wal-Mart waged employees are women.
Ninety-seven percent of our top 1000 companies are run by men. Is
pregnancy harder on a woman's mind than it is on her body? Nope,
it's because the ruling class want it that way. There is no higher
power to bait and corrupt ruling class women. The ruling class are
using sex warfare to divide and conquer us, to win the class
warfare. And thanks to such ruling class worshiping sheep like the
random troll, it's working.

> But you are right in calling it a "fundamental problem", it's
> fundamentalists like the taliban you wish to be who would
> deprive us all of music, literature, pictures, films and even
> computers because they all allow us to understand there is a
> world so much bigger than the taliban want us to believe in.


My first computer was a Texas instruments programmable calculator
that used an LED display. I currently use speech for dictation and
automation of my PC. I would do Linux, but there is no speech
activated scripting (not even speech recognition), and it doesn't
cool stuff like Netflix.

I'm probably more technologically progressive than anybody the
random troll has ever met. Let's compare our technological
achievements, random troll, shall we?

>> You don't have to worry about it, it will take some time before
>> the real shit hits the fan, and you'll probably be gone by
>> then. Enjoy your blissful ignorance.

>
> Oh don't be so modest. You taliban will never be satisfied until
> you've conquered our need to express ourselves OR you will go
> postal and some clinic for women


The random troll is stuck on the Taliban.

> Sad really that the taliban see filth in everything except their
> words


Thomas Jefferson admired women who were soft, passive, modest, and
chaste, and who possessed such artistic talents as made them
ornaments of a masculine world. (McLaughlin, 1988, p. 195).

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spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On Aug 15, 1:20 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> The horse riding world is a puzzle. When I was a kid there were a
>> lot of westerns, in the movies and on television. They were ridden
>> almost exclusively by cowboys and other males, rarely by women.
>>
>> I took up rising in my 50s. The stable were I rode had only two male
>> riders, me and another guy who was about 40. There were more than 50
>> female students, many of them teens or younger.
>>
>> When you go to local schooling shows the competitors are almost all
>> female. I was usually the only male competing, and there would be
>> 30-40 females from age 8 to 60. When you get into the regional
>> competitions, the male participation increases from less to 5% to
>> maybe 15%. The higher you go in the horse show world, the higher the
>> percentage of males. When it gets to the international level it is
>> about 2/3 male.

>
> Men want to conquer, while I think for most women competition is just
> a way to structure the time they spend with their horses. Look at
> librarians and at schoolteachers: while women dominate both
> professions, men are disproportionately represented at the upper
> levels.


I don't get the horse thing. I do like all animals but I was never really
into horses. I had friends who were though. And it was all very weird.


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I can't believe people are actually entertaining this thread here.
And that the OP is calling people trolls while crossposting this crap.
Wake up, people. Do you see anybody from that other group posting
here? You all look like fools.


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On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:06:00 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
> wrote:

> Of course there's nothing wrong with taking good care of animals.


"Voyeurism at the zoo has already been discussed in 3.1 above, and the
folk-belief that the observation of the intercourse of other animals
or of human beings has an aphrodisiacal or permissive effect on the
viewers is firmly rooted in fact. There is of course an element of
projecting one's own fantasies upon the animal.

"<A young man and his girl at the racetrack go through the paddock
before the races to pick a horse. The first stall they look into
contains a young stallion who is waving his yard and slapping it
against his leg in fine fettle. "Don't bet on him, honey," says the
girl. "He won't win. He ain't got his mind on business.">"

Gershon Legman, *Rationale of the Dirty Joke*

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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
. com...
> On 15/08/2012 3:26 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "graham" wrote:
>>>
>>> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
>>> woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"

>>
>> Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
>> good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh
>>

>
>
> And the male horses that most girls may ride are gelded, so that thing is
> little more than an ornament.


Where do you think they urinate from?


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On 16/08/2012 3:14 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 15/08/2012 5:18 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:20:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/08/2012 3:26 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> "graham" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never
>>>>> marry a
>>>>> woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"
>>>>
>>>> Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
>>>> good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And the male horses that most girls may ride are gelded, so that thing
>>> is little more than an ornament.
>>>
>>>
>>> The horse riding world is a puzzle. When I was a kid there were a lot of
>>> westerns, in the movies and on television. They were ridden almost
>>> exclusively by cowboys and other males, rarely by women.

>>
>> Dale Evans... many of the westerns from the '50s featured females
>> riding horses.

>
> That's...... one.
>
>
>>
>>> I took up rising in my 50s. The stable were I rode had only two male
>>> riders, me and another guy who was about 40. There were more than 50
>>> female students, many of them teens or younger.
>>>
>>> When you go to local schooling shows the competitors are almost all
>>> female. I was usually the only male competing, and there would be 30-40
>>> females from age 8 to 60. When you get into the regional competitions,
>>> the male participation increases from less to 5% to maybe 15%. The
>>> higher you go in the horse show world, the higher the percentage of
>>> males. When it gets to the international level it is about 2/3 male.

>>
>> Then why are all jockey's male... and polo players?

>
> Jockeys are not all male these days.
> Polo.... not exactly in the real world that most of us live in. I took
> riding lessons for 7 years and still go to shows, but I only know one
> guy who plays polo. It is a rich man's game. From what I found online,
> there are 10 polo clubs in Canada. They only one anywhere near here has
> two categories of membership for adults, Gold $5200 per year, and Silver
> which gets you four games for only $3600.
>


There's a girl playing for one of the polo teams in Sarasota.

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"news" wrote:
> "Dave Smith" wrote:
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> "graham" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never marry a
>>>> woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"
>>>
>>> Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
>>> good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh
>>>

>> And the male horses that most girls may ride are gelded, so that thing is
>> little more than an ornament.

>
>Where do you think they urinate from?


Blah, blah, blah... lets cut to the chase... gals love horses because
riding a horse gives their crotch exquisite pleasure... for guys
there's just pain.
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On Aug 15, 10:33*pm, Somebody > wrote:
> I can't believe people are actually entertaining this thread here.
> And that the OP is calling people trolls while crossposting this crap.
> Wake up, people. *Do you see anybody from that other group posting
> here? *You all look like fools.


Glad you could join us, fool #9.


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>
> Thomas Jefferson admired women who were soft, passive, modest, and
> chaste, and who possessed such artistic talents as made them
> ornaments of a masculine world. (McLaughlin, 1988, p. 195).


and the american taliban would wish to have us exist in a world where woman
can't vote or control their bodies, have no property rights and would be used
for little more than breeders, cooks and house cleaners

then they'd take away our computers, books, movies and phones all to be replaced
by "their" bible



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On 8/16/2012 11:41 AM, Chemo wrote:
> On Aug 15, 10:33 pm, Somebody > wrote:
>> I can't believe people are actually entertaining this thread here.
>> And that the OP is calling people trolls while crossposting this crap.
>> Wake up, people. Do you see anybody from that other group posting
>> here? You all look like fools.

>
> Glad you could join us, fool #9.
>


I'm fool #10, and I endorse this post.
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On Aug 16, 3:38*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
> On 8/16/2012 11:41 AM, Chemo wrote:
>
> > On Aug 15, 10:33 pm, Somebody > wrote:
> >> I can't believe people are actually entertaining this thread here.
> >> And that the OP is calling people trolls while crossposting this crap.
> >> Wake up, people. *Do you see anybody from that other group posting
> >> here? *You all look like fools.

>
> > Glad you could join us, fool #9.

>
> I'm fool #10, and I endorse this post.


and a darn good #10 fool you are!!
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On 8/16/2012 12:40 PM, Chemo wrote:
> On Aug 16, 3:38 pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>> On 8/16/2012 11:41 AM, Chemo wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 15, 10:33 pm, Somebody > wrote:
>>>> I can't believe people are actually entertaining this thread here.
>>>> And that the OP is calling people trolls while crossposting this crap.
>>>> Wake up, people. Do you see anybody from that other group posting
>>>> here? You all look like fools.

>>
>>> Glad you could join us, fool #9.

>>
>> I'm fool #10, and I endorse this post.

>
> and a darn good #10 fool you are!!
>


You're too kind. I like the number "10" and what kind of fool would I be
if I didn't warn folks about not feeding the troll without actually
feeding the troll myself? Not much, I'd say. :-)
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"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged invalid.invalid> wrote:

> John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:


>> Thomas Jefferson admired women who were soft, passive, modest,
>> and chaste, and who possessed such artistic talents as made
>> them ornaments of a masculine world. (McLaughlin, 1988, p.
>> 195).

>
> and the american taliban would wish to have us exist in a world
> where woman can't vote


As a country, we did great before women could vote. We certainly
would've continued progressing had women not been given the right
to vote. And likely we would not have lost our manufacturing
capability, among other things.

The ruling class probably would've found another way to get over
on the rest of us, but it would've taken longer.

> or control their bodies,


Using the pretense of "rights", government on behalf of the ruling
class is using ordinary women to usurp power from ordinary people.
The majority of ordinary women are ruling class useful idiots.
They are being used to promote sex warfare, to divide and conquer
ordinary people. And it's working. Not good for us as a whole, but
it is putting more distance between the ruling class and the rest
of us.

> have no property rights


In fact, property rights came before their right to vote. Probably
because the ruling class wanted to keep property in the family.

> and would be used for little more than breeders, cooks and house
> cleaners


Women would probably be doing better than that. Without all of the
nasty side effects of social liberalism.

> then they'd take away our computers, books, movies and phones
> all to be replaced by "their" bible


Looks like two extremes to me, social liberals versus religious
extremists. Christianity (according to the Bible) is a very
compassionate religion, and yet Paul spells out the role of men
and women in marriage relationships. The reason is obvious, to
promote structure instead of chaos.

Just like every other decision-making body, families need a head
of household to be the tiebreaker. Declaring ordinary people
"equal" is how ever-expanding government is making itself the
tiebreaker in ordinary people's relationships. In some localities,
police officers are even forced to arrest one or the other when
responding to a domestic violence call. Ordinary people are being
treated like children instead of adults. Ever-expanding government
is stripping the man of his natural authority. No authority means
no respect. In fact, government encourages women to disrespect
their more powerful husbands. Naturally that leads to more
domestic violence, not less. And imagine if every government
decision making body were made up of one Democrat and one
Republican, you know, the "equality" crap. The House, the Senate,
the Supreme Court, and the administration. The current gridlock
would look like a passionate love affair. Congress would have 0%
approval instead of 10%. Somehow the dysfunction in Congress might
be a reflection of the equality garbage they are forcing on the
rest of us. Personal relationships require structure, just like
everyplace else in society. Show me a government that can rule by
peace and love, where everybody is equal, and I'll believe your
idea that two people in a serious relationship can function while
being forced to be "equal" by an external power. Government rules
by physical force, using police officers with billy club and gun.
Some people can live with less physical structure, like those
higher up in class, but some people aren't quite that "civilized"
and should not be forced (or misled) into such so-called
civilization. The ruling class are doing well with their
patriarchy. But if they were virtuous, they wouldn't be forcing
women's "rights" on the rest of us. After giving women property
rights so that the ruling class could keep property in the family,
women's "rights" provided the ruling class with cheap labor,
competition between ordinary men and women (before they discovered
communist Chinese slave labor). Nowadays they also use those
"rights" to help divide and conquer us, to promote chaos. And it's
working. And social liberals just can't figure out why the rich
keep getting richer it must be Republicans fault! And they keep
pandering to the woman vote, actually doing more damage than good.
Social liberal Democrats are doing the work of the ruling class as
much as Republicans, they just help the ruling class in different
ways. Democrats fracture our society, and then when all of the
nasty side effects need to be paid for, Republicans help prevent
the ruling class from paying for their own device (implemented by
Democrats on the other end).

Redistributing wealth is a bad thing, as long as the rules for
making wealth are fair. Making the ruling class pay their fair
share is a good thing, but destroying the structure of ordinary
people keeps us from fighting our own battle.

Government serves the rich. Republicans are obvious about it.
Democrats screw up society so that they have an excuse to
continuously expand government.


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> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

>
> >> Thomas Jefferson admired women who were soft, passive, modest,
> >> and chaste, and who possessed such artistic talents as made
> >> them ornaments of a masculine world. (McLaughlin, 1988, p.
> >> 195).

> >
> > and the american taliban would wish to have us exist in a world
> > where woman can't vote

>
> As a country, we did great before women could vote. We certainly
> would've continued progressing had women not been given the right
> to vote. And likely we would not have lost our manufacturing
> capability, among other things.


As a country, we did great with slavery before the civil war and the 13th
Amendment.



>
> The ruling class probably would've found another way to get over
> on the rest of us, but it would've taken longer.
>
> > or control their bodies,

>
> Using the pretense of "rights", government on behalf of the ruling
> class is using ordinary women to usurp power from ordinary people.
> The majority of ordinary women are ruling class useful idiots.
> They are being used to promote sex warfare, to divide and conquer
> ordinary people. And it's working. Not good for us as a whole, but
> it is putting more distance between the ruling class and the rest
> of us.


under the pretense that feminism is wrong, the american taliban is using the
issue of feminism to distract us from their fundamentalist view that everything
that gives an individual "rights" is evil



>
> > have no property rights

>
> In fact, property rights came before their right to vote. Probably
> because the ruling class wanted to keep property in the family.


Which would have happened centuries earlier if that rational was even remotely
correct



>
> > and would be used for little more than breeders, cooks and house
> > cleaners

>
> Women would probably be doing better than that. Without all of the
> nasty side effects of social liberalism.


sure take away their right to vote, their right to own property, their right to
divorce, their right to protect themselves from abusive partners, their right to
birth control and I can see that social liberalism is indeed evil



>
> > then they'd take away our computers, books, movies and phones
> > all to be replaced by "their" bible

>
> Looks like two extremes to me, social liberals versus religious
> extremists. Christianity (according to the Bible) is a very
> compassionate religion, and yet Paul spells out the role of men
> and women in marriage relationships. The reason is obvious, to
> promote structure instead of chaos.


fundamentalists, no matter their ilk are all evil. you are a fundamentalist


>
> Redistributing wealth is a bad thing, as long as the rules for
> making wealth are fair. Making the ruling class pay their fair
> share is a good thing, but destroying the structure of ordinary
> people keeps us from fighting our own battle.


making sure the rules for making wealth are fair is anathema to the ruling class.

making the ruling class pay their fair share is anathema to the ruling class






>
> Government serves the rich. Republicans are obvious about it.
> Democrats screw up society so that they have an excuse to
> continuously expand government.


Conservatives care about THEIR children

Liberals care about ALL children

Republicans believe in capitalism, but hate the Free Market

Democrats believe that without regulation in the market you will get sick from
food that isn't properly processed

I believe that the horse aroused you

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that government is getting bigger and bigger, but the troll's
problems aren't going away...

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> In article <k0k2l6$a3j$1 dont-email.me>, John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

>>
>> >> Thomas Jefferson admired women who were soft, passive, modest,
>> >> and chaste, and who possessed such artistic talents as made
>> >> them ornaments of a masculine world. (McLaughlin, 1988, p.
>> >> 195).
>> >
>> > and the american taliban would wish to have us exist in a world
>> > where woman can't vote

>>
>> As a country, we did great before women could vote. We certainly
>> would've continued progressing had women not been given the right
>> to vote. And likely we would not have lost our manufacturing
>> capability, among other things.

>
> As a country, we did great with slavery before the civil war and the 13th
> Amendment.
>
>
>
>>
>> The ruling class probably would've found another way to get over
>> on the rest of us, but it would've taken longer.
>>
>> > or control their bodies,

>>
>> Using the pretense of "rights", government on behalf of the ruling
>> class is using ordinary women to usurp power from ordinary people.
>> The majority of ordinary women are ruling class useful idiots.
>> They are being used to promote sex warfare, to divide and conquer
>> ordinary people. And it's working. Not good for us as a whole, but
>> it is putting more distance between the ruling class and the rest
>> of us.

>
> under the pretense that feminism is wrong, the american taliban is using the
> issue of feminism to distract us from their fundamentalist view that everything
> that gives an individual "rights" is evil
>
>
>
>>
>> > have no property rights

>>
>> In fact, property rights came before their right to vote. Probably
>> because the ruling class wanted to keep property in the family.

>
> Which would have happened centuries earlier if that rational was even remotely
> correct
>
>
>
>>
>> > and would be used for little more than breeders, cooks and house
>> > cleaners

>>
>> Women would probably be doing better than that. Without all of the
>> nasty side effects of social liberalism.

>
> sure take away their right to vote, their right to own property, their right to
> divorce, their right to protect themselves from abusive partners, their right to
> birth control and I can see that social liberalism is indeed evil
>
>
>
>>
>> > then they'd take away our computers, books, movies and phones
>> > all to be replaced by "their" bible

>>
>> Looks like two extremes to me, social liberals versus religious
>> extremists. Christianity (according to the Bible) is a very
>> compassionate religion, and yet Paul spells out the role of men
>> and women in marriage relationships. The reason is obvious, to
>> promote structure instead of chaos.

>
> fundamentalists, no matter their ilk are all evil. you are a fundamentalist
>
>
>>
>> Redistributing wealth is a bad thing, as long as the rules for
>> making wealth are fair. Making the ruling class pay their fair
>> share is a good thing, but destroying the structure of ordinary
>> people keeps us from fighting our own battle.

>
> making sure the rules for making wealth are fair is anathema to the ruling class.
>
> making the ruling class pay their fair share is anathema to the ruling class
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Government serves the rich. Republicans are obvious about it.
>> Democrats screw up society so that they have an excuse to
>> continuously expand government.

>
> Conservatives care about THEIR children
>
> Liberals care about ALL children
>
> Republicans believe in capitalism, but hate the Free Market
>
> Democrats believe that without regulation in the market you will get sick from
> food that isn't properly processed
>
> I believe that the horse aroused you
>
> --
>
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> commodo. Morbi lobortis, massa fringilla adipiscing suscipit, velit urna
> pharetra neque, non luctus arcu diam vitae justo. Vivamus lacinia scelerisque
> ultricies. Nunc lobortis elit ligula. Aliquam sollicitudin nunc sed est gravida
> ac viverra tellus ullamcorper. Vivamus non nisi suscipit nisi egestas venenatis.
> Donec vitae arcu id urna euismod feugiat. Vivamus porta lobortis ultricies.
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> sagittis. Proin nisi magna, molestie id volutpat in, tincidunt sed dolor. Nullam
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> In pretium metus eu diam blandit accumsan. Ut eu lorem sed odio porttitor
> blandit. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Cras lobortis
> volutpat commodo. Morbi lobortis, massa fringilla adipiscing suscipit, velit
> urna pharetra neque, non luctus arcu diam vitae justo. Vivamus lacinia
> scelerisque ultricies. Nunc lobortis elit ligula. Aliquam sollicitudin nunc sed
> est gravida ac viverra tellus ullamcorper. Vivamus non nisi suscipit nisi
> egestas venenatis. Donec vitae arcu id urna euismod feugiat. Vivamus porta
> lobortis ultricies. Nulla adipiscing tellus a neque vehicula porta. Maecenas
> volutpat aliquet sagittis. Proin nisi magna, molestie id volutpat in, tincidunt
> sed dolor. Nullam nisi erat, aliquet scelerisque sagittis vitae, pretium
> accumsan odio. Sed ut mi iaculis eros rutrum tristique ut nec mi. Aliquam nec
> augue dui, in mattis urna. In pretium metus eu diam blandit accumsan. Ut eu
> lorem sed odio porttitor blandit.
>
>
> --
>
> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Cras lobortis volutpat
> commodo. Morbi lobortis, massa fringilla adipiscing suscipit, velit urna
> pharetra neque, non luctus arcu diam vitae justo. Vivamus lacinia scelerisque
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> Donec vitae arcu id urna euismod feugiat. Vivamus porta lobortis ultricies.
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> sagittis. Proin nisi magna, molestie id volutpat in, tincidunt sed dolor. Nullam
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> In pretium metus eu diam blandit accumsan. Ut eu lorem sed odio porttitor
> blandit. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Cras lobortis
> volutpat commodo. Morbi lobortis, massa fringilla adipiscing suscipit, velit
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> est gravida ac viverra tellus ullamcorper. Vivamus non nisi suscipit nisi
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> lobortis ultricies. Nulla adipiscing tellus a neque vehicula porta. Maecenas
> volutpat aliquet sagittis. Proin nisi magna, molestie id volutpat in, tincidunt
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In article >, John Doe >
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> A random insulting troll that must be very confused at the fact
> that government is getting bigger and bigger, but the troll's
> problems aren't going away...
>



Yes, you are a troll and feminism and humanism aren't going away no matter how
much you'd like to live in the 18th century
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On 8/15/2012 10:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 15/08/2012 5:18 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:20:26 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/08/2012 3:26 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> "graham" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> An elderly aunt gave me some good advice many years ago: "Never
>>>>> marry a
>>>>> woman who has horses. The horses will *always* come first!"
>>>>
>>>> Auntie wasn't lying... of course woman-horse love is normal... there's
>>>> good reason for the adage "hung like a horse". heheheh
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And the male horses that most girls may ride are gelded, so that thing
>>> is little more than an ornament.
>>>
>>>
>>> The horse riding world is a puzzle. When I was a kid there were a lot of
>>> westerns, in the movies and on television. They were ridden almost
>>> exclusively by cowboys and other males, rarely by women.

>>
>> Dale Evans... many of the westerns from the '50s featured females
>> riding horses.

>
> That's...... one.
>

[Crossposting snipped]
Did you ever see The Big Valley? (1960's TV show) Barbara Stanwyck sat
a horse very well I'm sure there are more examples. Still, westerns
(as a genre) were probably more the purvue of male viewers. Cowboys and
Indians Most of the women were saloon gals or the sweet innocent
(heh) schoolmarm.

Jill
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On 21/08/2012 9:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>>>> The horse riding world is a puzzle. When I was a kid there were a
>>>> lot of
>>>> westerns, in the movies and on television. They were ridden almost
>>>> exclusively by cowboys and other males, rarely by women.
>>>
>>> Dale Evans... many of the westerns from the '50s featured females
>>> riding horses.

>>
>> That's...... one.
>>

> [Crossposting snipped]
> Did you ever see The Big Valley? (1960's TV show) Barbara Stanwyck sat
> a horse very well I'm sure there are more examples. Still, westerns
> (as a genre) were probably more the purvue of male viewers. Cowboys and
> Indians Most of the women were saloon gals or the sweet innocent
> (heh) schoolmarm.
>

Yes, I saw the Big Valley and Barbara Stanwyck did ride a horse in it. I
did say that the horses were ridden *almost* exclusively by men. There
are indeed a few more western TV and movie women riders, but they are
undoubtedly heavily outnumbered by the male riders.


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