Jammy Toe wrote:

> I did the same. Now I wonder if the plastic container industry
> might not be behind this plague. See, the same people who own the
> rice, grain, and pasta companies also own the container companies, and
> their plan is to purposely infest just enough of their food products
> to encourage plastic container purchases while at the same time not
> turning everyone completely away from their foods. Nice move.
> Slick. But I caught them. I'm going to tell the government and maybe
> something can be done about this. Are you in with me on this?

I just remembered why I only read the first line of your posts. Thanks
for the refresher. Also, good to know the price of weed is falling.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Quinch" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Quinch" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Quinch wrote:
>>>>> I've got a persisting problem I could use some help with, if anyone has
>>>>> experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tend to buy flour in bulk in large paper sacks that would ideally
>>>>> last
>>>>> me about a year or so, if not more. The problem is that, inevitably and
>>>>> usually in the summer, moths manage to crawl inside at which point the
>>>>> whole batch is pretty much unrecoverable. Trying to seal the sack has,
>>>>> at best, only delayed the inevitable, so I'm wondering, does anyone
>>>>> have
>>>>> any advice on how to deal with this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A random thought; I don't have the freezer space to freeze the eggs to
>>>> death. On the other hand... would roasting do? It would be child's play
>>>> to
>>>> cycle the flour in a few pans through the oven and into a fresh
>>>> container,
>>>> but the question becomes what would be a high enough temperature to kill
>>>> off the eggs, but not damage the flour?
>>>
>>> I don't think you'd want to roast the flour. Wouldn't that mess up not
>>> only
>>> the flavor but the moisture content?
>>
>> Well, not roasting as in the actual cooking context. Basically... put it
>> in a temperature that would be high enough to kill off any eggs, but not
>> high enough to screw with the flour itself.
>>
>> Or, to rephrase - what would be the highest safe temperature to store
>> flour at for a duration, of say, an hour?
>
> Not being a flour expert or a bug expert, I couldn't tell ya. If you did do
> this though, I would think you could only do a very small amount of flour at
> a time and spread it thinly. If you did too much, the middle of it would
> not reach the right temp.
>
> The only thing I have ever sterilized like that is garden soil. You cook it
> at a very high temp. and for several hours to make sure you have killed off
> all the nasties.
>
>

Yep, same principle, but with less margin for error, probably. Too low,
and it accomplished nothing, too high and the flour is unusable.

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:29:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Quinch" > wrote in message
...
>> Quinch wrote:
>>> I've got a persisting problem I could use some help with, if anyone has
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> I tend to buy flour in bulk in large paper sacks that would ideally last
>>> me about a year or so, if not more. The problem is that, inevitably and
>>> usually in the summer, moths manage to crawl inside at which point the
>>> whole batch is pretty much unrecoverable. Trying to seal the sack has,
>>> at best, only delayed the inevitable, so I'm wondering, does anyone have
>>> any advice on how to deal with this?
>>
>>
>> A random thought; I don't have the freezer space to freeze the eggs to
>> death. On the other hand... would roasting do? It would be child's play to
>> cycle the flour in a few pans through the oven and into a fresh container,
>> but the question becomes what would be a high enough temperature to kill
>> off the eggs, but not damage the flour?
>
>I don't think you'd want to roast the flour. Wouldn't that mess up not only
>the flavor but the moisture content?

You can microwave flour to kill any bugs, their larva, and eggs with
no affect on the flour. Just about all flour contains some insect
eggs, just natural with all crops. When I buy flour I buy no more
than I will use within 3-4 months, usually five pounds. As soon as I
bring it home I dump it into a gallon jar with an airtight fitting
lid. I do the same with most dry goods (some that are prone to
rancidity go into the freezer ), I have lots of large jars. In all my
years I've yet to have an insect infestation in dry goods. Humidity
and warmth are primary motivators for insect reproduction to resume.

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:00:39 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>On Aug 22, 2:37*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
>
>> And everything that is in there has been put in a thick plastic container.
>> I bought the minimum of most things when I restocked.
>
>
> I did the same. Now I wonder if the plastic container industry
>might not be behind this plague. See, the same people who own the
>rice, grain, and pasta companies also own the container companies, and
>their plan is to purposely infest just enough of their food products
>to encourage plastic container purchases while at the same time not
>turning everyone completely away from their foods. Nice move.
>Slick. But I caught them. I'm going to tell the government and maybe
>something can be done about this. Are you in with me on this?

There is no reason to purposely infest food, all crops contain insects
naturally. When they become evident is primarilly due to folks
practicing very poor hygiene and using incorrect food handling
practices, can occur at the store but mostly at home.

On Aug 25, 4:32*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:


> You might be on to something!


Turns out I was wrong, my suspicions unfounded. I found this out
from a scientist friend of mine who knows a lot about these things.
He said my theory was smart but very doubtful, nearly impossible. He
did say however that back in the 80s when tight pants with no back
pockets were promoted with the purpose of those buying and wearing the
pants losing money from not having enough pockets to safely carry
things, as well as pockets too tight to fit things into properly.
Over a period of several years, my expert scientist friend told me,
many tight pants lovers became disenchanted with the style due to
losing money and other valuables due to the impractical pants, and
this was done on purpose by the manufacturers who for years had been
secretly waiting to spring the fanny pack onto the public.

TJ

On Aug 25, 4:34*am, George M. Middius > wrote:

> I just remembered why I only read the first line of your posts. Thanks
> for the refresher. Also, good to know the price of weed is falling.


Price of weed is not falling, I just became rich over night. Like
I told Judy, my container theory may be a stretch, but there is
definite proof that the people who came out with the fanny pack a few
decades ago were the same people who came out with ultra tight pants
with few pockets only years before. They held the fanny packs in
reserve, then sprung them on the tight-pants wearers when they got
tired of losing money trying to fit it into pockets too tight to
accommodate it.

It's a conspiracy man, a ****ing conspiracy
TJ

On Aug 25, 9:45*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> There is no reason to purposely infest food, all crops contain insects
> naturally. *When they become evident is primarilly due to folks
> practicing very poor hygiene and using incorrect food handling
> practices, can occur at the store but mostly at home.


That's the only way I can enjoy eating grains anymore, to imagine
the unseen pests living on the grains and to magnify them in my mind
so that when I sit down to a plate of spaghetti I don't see a boring
plate of spaghetti, I see a thriving metropolis of bugs fighting to
get out of each others way as my mouth descends toward the plate and
slurps them into my mouth, later to be turned into a thriving turd of
brilliance beyond words.

TJ

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:55:00 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>On Aug 25, 4:32*am, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>
>> You might be on to something!
>
>
> Turns out I was wrong, my suspicions unfounded. I found this out
>from a scientist friend of mine who knows a lot about these things.
>He said my theory was smart but very doubtful, nearly impossible. He
>did say however that back in the 80s when tight pants with no back
>pockets were promoted with the purpose of those buying and wearing the
>pants losing money from not having enough pockets to safely carry
>things, as well as pockets too tight to fit things into properly.
>Over a period of several years, my expert scientist friend told me,
>many tight pants lovers became disenchanted with the style due to
>losing money and other valuables due to the impractical pants, and
>this was done on purpose by the manufacturers who for years had been
>secretly waiting to spring the fanny pack onto the public.

With your monster ass you don't need any widdle fanny pack. LOL
I see obese women who think wearing tights hides their lard, they
often wear a fanny pack or three... I swear, those gals gotta have
bigger balls then me. LOL Whenever I spot a BBW I have to get a peek
at her bosom, most hardly have more than a a small roll of fat but
some have monster udders with cleavage like the Grand Canyon.

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:02:54 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>On Aug 25, 9:45*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
>
>> There is no reason to purposely infest food, all crops contain insects
>> naturally. *When they become evident is primarilly due to folks
>> practicing very poor hygiene and using incorrect food handling
>> practices, can occur at the store but mostly at home.
>
>
> That's the only way I can enjoy eating grains anymore, to imagine
>the unseen pests living on the grains and to magnify them in my mind
>so that when I sit down to a plate of spaghetti I don't see a boring
>plate of spaghetti, I see a thriving metropolis of bugs fighting to
>get out of each others way as my mouth descends toward the plate and
>slurps them into my mouth, later to be turned into a thriving turd of
>brilliance beyond words.

You can accomplish the same thing by looking in a mirror. hehe