Cheryl wrote:

> My dad once used the word awful in a sort of speech and explained why he
> used it in the context in which he did. He said the origin of the word
> is "full of awe" so that isn't a bad thing. It made people think.
> Because when he said what he referred to that was full of awe as awful,
> people didn't get it. He was an amazing man.

From that one anecdote, he sounds like a pedantic bore.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/20/2012 10:49 PM, Christopher M. wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> On Aug 20, 5:04 pm, Kalmia > wrote:
>>>> I think you mean untoasted by 'raw'.
>>>
>>> This is from an old Peanuts cartoon. I couldn't find the actual strip
>>> online.
>>>
>>> Linus: You gonna make some toast? How about putting in a slice for
>>> me?
>>>
>>> Lucy: Here you are.
>>>
>>> Linus: Thank you very much. Hey! This is too light! It's hardly
>>> singed! Surely you don't expect me to eat raw toast!
>>
>> They sell some pretty raw sugar cookies at the supermarket.
>>
>> I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.
>
> I like them like that!

I think sugar cookies taste 100% better when their toasty. But maybe when
they're not toasty they're like wedding cookies?

Sometimes I cook puff pastry. I put some jelly and whipped frosting inside.
But I'm very careful to avoid browning them too much.

I hate overly-brown puff pastry desserts. I also hate butter cookies.


W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/20/2012 7:58 PM, Christopher M. wrote:
>> "l, not -l" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> <snip> Just as most who use the word awesome have no clue about what
>>> is truly awesome, most who talk about artisan bread have never seen or
>>> tasted it.
>>
>> Sounds like a famous quote.
>>
>
> My dad once used the word awful in a sort of speech and explained why he
> used it in the context in which he did. He said the origin of the word is
> "full of awe" so that isn't a bad thing. It made people think. Because
> when he said what he referred to that was full of awe as awful, people
> didn't get it. He was an amazing man.

Makes me think of the word "terrific"


W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

On 8/21/2012 3:19 PM, news wrote:
> "Christopher M." > wrote in message
> ...
>> Do you eat it raw? Or do you toast it? Do you use it in recipes?
>
> Ironically.
> (I hate the word "artisan" when applied to food! Ugh! It's a marketing
> buzzword that really means "higher prices"!
>
>
And snobbish. I hate the way Dominos pizza advertizes their "artisan
pizza" as being sold as-is and you can't modify toppings because their
choice of toppings is better than anyone else can decide.

Cheryl wrote:

> And snobbish. I hate the way Dominos pizza advertizes their "artisan
> pizza" as being sold as-is and you can't modify toppings because their
> choice of toppings is better than anyone else can decide.

Does that really matter? Don't tell me you actually care whether
Domino's calls their slop "artisinal".

On 8/23/2012 10:57 PM, George M. Middius wrote:

> Cheryl wrote:
>
>> And snobbish. I hate the way Dominos pizza advertizes their "artisan
>> pizza" as being sold as-is and you can't modify toppings because their
>> choice of toppings is better than anyone else can decide.
>
> Does that really matter? Don't tell me you actually care whether
> Domino's calls their slop "artisinal".
>
>
Are you obsessed with me? I'm flattered but I get the feeling you're
not my type.

On 8/21/2012 5:14 PM, Gary wrote:
> "Christopher M." wrote:
>>
>> They sell some pretty raw sugar cookies at the supermarket.
>>
>> I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.
>
> I think I can honestly say that I've never touched anything with a ten foot
> pole.
>
> G.
>
I guess you've never had to wrangle an alligator. Neither have I
When I had one in my back yard, security sent a young woman down with a
10 foot pole with a wire loop on the end. She's in that rare group of
people who *can* say she's touched something with a ten foot pole!

OB Food: Alligator chili

Jill

Cheryl wrote:

> >> And snobbish. I hate the way Dominos pizza advertizes their "artisan
> >> pizza" as being sold as-is and you can't modify toppings because their
> >> choice of toppings is better than anyone else can decide.
> >
> > Does that really matter? Don't tell me you actually care whether
> > Domino's calls their slop "artisinal".
> >
> >
> Are you obsessed with me? I'm flattered but I get the feeling you're
> not my type.

How bizarre. Queen Mary said the same thing before I KFed her.

In case you're serious: No, I am not obsessed with you.

My turn: Why would you entertain such an idea?

jmcquown wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> I think I can honestly say that I've never touched anything with a ten foot
>> pole.

No tree pruning over the years? Okay.

> I guess you've never had to wrangle an alligator. Neither have I
> When I had one in my back yard, security sent a young woman down with a
> 10 foot pole with a wire loop on the end. She's in that rare group of
> people who *can* say she's touched something with a ten foot pole!
>
> OB Food: Alligator chili

I made alligator stew once. Nasty. I figure alligator meat needs to be
fried to make it edible. I suspect alligator chilli would be nearly as
nasty as the alligator stew I made that one time.

On 8/24/2012 9:34 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
>
>>>> And snobbish. I hate the way Dominos pizza advertizes their "artisan
>>>> pizza" as being sold as-is and you can't modify toppings because their
>>>> choice of toppings is better than anyone else can decide.
>>>
>>> Does that really matter? Don't tell me you actually care whether
>>> Domino's calls their slop "artisinal".
>>>
>>>
>> Are you obsessed with me? I'm flattered but I get the feeling you're
>> not my type.
>
> How bizarre. Queen Mary said the same thing before I KFed her.
>
> In case you're serious: No, I am not obsessed with you.
>
> My turn: Why would you entertain such an idea?
>
Because in this thread alone you followed up to my posts multiple times
with insults.

Cheryl wrote:

> >>>> And snobbish. I hate the way Dominos pizza advertizes their "artisan
> >>>> pizza" as being sold as-is and you can't modify toppings because their
> >>>> choice of toppings is better than anyone else can decide.
> >>>
> >>> Does that really matter? Don't tell me you actually care whether
> >>> Domino's calls their slop "artisinal".
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Are you obsessed with me? I'm flattered but I get the feeling you're
> >> not my type.
> >
> > How bizarre. Queen Mary said the same thing before I KFed her.
> >
> > In case you're serious: No, I am not obsessed with you.
> >
> > My turn: Why would you entertain such an idea?
> >
> Because in this thread alone you followed up to my posts multiple times
> with insults.

I didn't realize you designed the menu at Domino's. Of course I would
have tempered my remarks if I'd known of your involvment. Let's say
their pies are adequate to meet the caloric demands of mass market
consumers, and leave it at that. That shields you from my earlier
aspersion on the quality of their offerings.

Now what were these other "insults"? And are you claiming I had no
basis for my comments, whatever they were?

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:34:58 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>Cheryl wrote:
>
>> >> And snobbish. I hate the way Dominos pizza advertizes their "artisan
>> >> pizza" as being sold as-is and you can't modify toppings because their
>> >> choice of toppings is better than anyone else can decide.
>> >
>> > Does that really matter? Don't tell me you actually care whether
>> > Domino's calls their slop "artisinal".
>> >
>> >
>> Are you obsessed with me? I'm flattered but I get the feeling you're
>> not my type.
>
>How bizarre. Queen Mary said the same thing before I KFed her.
>
>In case you're serious: No, I am not obsessed with you.
>
>My turn: Why would you entertain such an idea?

Because you're a stalker/creep, who never contributes anything but
personal put downs. Most serious RFCers participate for
entertainment, you are obviously here for psycho therapy.

Poor Shelley -- burnt again.

> >My turn: Why would you entertain such an idea?
>
> Because you're a stalker/creep, who never contributes anything but
> personal put downs. Most serious RFCers participate for
> entertainment, you are obviously here for psycho therapy.

Geez, I thought you'd have a thicker skin, Shel. I actually haven't
been trying to hurt your feelings. I've been harboring the hope that
my gibes would induce you to look at yourself like others do, if only
for a minute, and that might lead to some self-examination on your
part. Alas, no -- you're comfortable in that sewer you call a mind.
You probably don't even notice the stench anymore.

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:18:26 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>Poor Shelley -- burnt again.
>
>> >My turn: Why would you entertain such an idea?
>>
>> Because you're a stalker/creep, who never contributes anything but
>> personal put downs. Most serious RFCers participate for
>> entertainment, you are obviously here for psycho therapy.
>
>Geez, I thought you'd have a thicker skin, Shel. I actually haven't
>been trying to hurt your feelings.

You can't hurt my feelings, my skin makes rhino skin seem like tissue
paper. But you pick mostly on those who are easily offended... the
low life coward that you are... to date you've posted nothing useful
on topic, zero.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/21/2012 3:19 PM, news wrote:
>> "Christopher M." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Do you eat it raw? Or do you toast it? Do you use it in recipes?
>>
>> Ironically.
>> (I hate the word "artisan" when applied to food! Ugh! It's a marketing
>> buzzword that really means "higher prices"!
>>
>>
> And snobbish. I hate the way Dominos pizza advertizes their "artisan
> pizza" as being sold as-is and you can't modify toppings because their
> choice of toppings is better than anyone else can decide.

It's ridiculous how much people charge for pizza toppings.

And the quality isn't even that great. Some mediocre pepperoni.

Maybe I'll buy a pizza and heat it in my oven with my own toppings.


W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> About Dominoes pizza. My "other side of the tracks" niece and nephew got
> married. The niece worked at Dominoes and had the wedding reception
> catered
> by them.
>
> Strangest of all, she called for "white" pizzas. No tomato sauce but tons
> of
> garlic. Not at all artisan but I rested easier knowing there are no new
> vampires in the family. <G>
>
> Andy

My Italian cousin loves Domino's.


W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

On Aug 24, 12:51*pm, "Christopher M." >
wrote:
> "Andy" > wrote in ...
> > About Dominoes pizza. My "other side of the tracks" niece and nephew got
> > married. The niece worked at Dominoes and had the wedding reception
> > catered
> > by them.
>
> > Strangest of all, she called for "white" pizzas. No tomato sauce but tons
> > of
> > garlic. Not at all artisan but I rested easier knowing there are no new
> > vampires in the family. <G>
>
> > Andy
>
> My Italian cousin loves Domino's.
>
> W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

Domino's is crap pizza and always has been.

Shelley, it's OK to show your pain.

> >Poor Shelley -- burnt again.
> >
> >> >My turn: Why would you entertain such an idea?
> >>
> >> Because you're a stalker/creep, who never contributes anything but
> >> personal put downs. Most serious RFCers participate for
> >> entertainment, you are obviously here for psycho therapy.
> >
> >Geez, I thought you'd have a thicker skin, Shel. I actually haven't
> >been trying to hurt your feelings.
>
> You can't hurt my feelings, my skin makes rhino skin seem like tissue
> paper.

That claim contradicts your obvious pain. Have a drink on me.

> But you pick mostly on those who are easily offended... the
> low life coward that you are... to date you've posted nothing useful
> on topic, zero.

Au contraire, my unwashed antagonist. I often warn people not to take
anything you say seriously. Even so, some of the more gullible
denizens of this group seem to believe some of the crocks o' crap you
like to drop. But I'm not discouraged. I will keep pointing out your
nuttiness when I feel like it.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 8/21/2012 5:14 PM, Gary wrote:
> > I think I can honestly say that I've never touched anything with a ten foot
> > pole.
> >
> I guess you've never had to wrangle an alligator. Neither have I
> When I had one in my back yard, security sent a young woman down with a
> 10 foot pole with a wire loop on the end. She's in that rare group of
> people who *can* say she's touched something with a ten foot pole!
>
> OB Food: Alligator chili

Have you ever tried alligator meat? Not me but I'm always open to try
something new once at least. I saw on a survival show once where they killed
one and described the meat as tasting a bit "swampy." hmmmmm That doesn't
sound so appealing.

Gary

Actually now that I think about it, I'll probably never try (and support)
alligator meat after seeing those shows on the History Channel. I tried
hunting when i was a kid and it was fun until I actually killed some animal.
I have no problem with hunters now but I just don't want to do it myself.
Normal hunters are OK in my book.....you stalk an animal, shoot it, and it's
dead.

I've always had a problem with trapping though. That's the cruelest thing I
can imagine. Take the gator hunting for example.... You bate this giant
hook with chicken or whatever. The next day you check your traps hoping to
find one. Meanwhile that animal thinks he's getting a great meal only to
bite down on a hook that stuck in his mouth or throat. He trapped there,
and in pain, and panicking in terror for up to 24 hours until the trappers
come back the next day.

Once they get there, they shoot them in the head. If I was that gator, I
think I'd welcome a bullet in the head. Not just gators, but trapping of any
animal....it's so evil. I could never do that, thinking of all the horrors
that animal went through for up to 24 hours until someone finally came back
and killed it.

Cheryl wrote:
>
> On 8/24/2012 9:34 AM, George M. Middius wrote:
> > Cheryl wrote:
> >
> >>>> And snobbish. I hate the way Dominos pizza advertizes their "artisan
> >>>> pizza" as being sold as-is and you can't modify toppings because their
> >>>> choice of toppings is better than anyone else can decide.
> >>>
> >>> Does that really matter? Don't tell me you actually care whether
> >>> Domino's calls their slop "artisinal".
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Are you obsessed with me? I'm flattered but I get the feeling you're
> >> not my type.
> >
> > How bizarre. Queen Mary said the same thing before I KFed her.
> >
> > In case you're serious: No, I am not obsessed with you.
> >
> > My turn: Why would you entertain such an idea?
> >
> Because in this thread alone you followed up to my posts multiple times
> with insults.

George is good for doing that.
I suspect he's a closet republican.

G.

On 8/24/2012 8:07 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> I guess you've never had to wrangle an alligator. Neither have I
> When I had one in my back yard, security sent a young woman down with a
> 10 foot pole with a wire loop on the end. She's in that rare group of
> people who *can* say she's touched something with a ten foot pole!
>
> OB Food: Alligator chili
>
> Jill

I've only had alligator in gumbo, and fried, like chicken.

We had an alligator in the lake behind the house, and they refused to
move it, because they did not consider it a threat. Some of the
neighbors were upset, they were afraid it would eat their dog, but that
never happened.

Becca

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> "Christopher M." > wrote:
>
>> My Italian cousin loves Domino's.
>
>
>
> Christopher,
>
> We had a Domino's in town for a few years before they left town.
>
> I was indifferent about their pizza other than being a few blocks out of
> their delivery range.
>
> We have a small take-out/delivery only pizzeria that won "Best of Philly"
> awards, then they automated the baking process and it lost it's small town
> charm AND customers.
>
> I don't eat pizza very often and just get TJ's frozen Pizza Margherita.
> Organic, imported from Italy. I guess you could call it artisan.

TJ's is the best frozen pizza I've ever had.

I remember hearing about the comedian Ray Romano's trip to Italy. He said
something like, "I didn't know pizza could be this good."


W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

On 8/24/2012 6:33 PM, Ema Nymton wrote:
> On 8/24/2012 8:07 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> I guess you've never had to wrangle an alligator. Neither have I
>> When I had one in my back yard, security sent a young woman down with a
>> 10 foot pole with a wire loop on the end. She's in that rare group of
>> people who *can* say she's touched something with a ten foot pole!
>>
>> OB Food: Alligator chili
>>
>> Jill
>
> I've only had alligator in gumbo, and fried, like chicken.
>
> We had an alligator in the lake behind the house, and they refused to
> move it, because they did not consider it a threat. Some of the
> neighbors were upset, they were afraid it would eat their dog, but that
> never happened.
>
> Becca

There are signs posted all over where I live: Do Not Feed the
Alligators. Because yes, people's dogs started going missing.
Alligators aren't cute and they aren't friendly.

Jill

On 8/24/2012 10:57 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> I think I can honestly say that I've never touched anything with a ten foot
>>> pole.
>
> No tree pruning over the years? Okay.
>

Nope. I've never pruned a tree. I've used hedge clippers to trim some
shrubs. Nothing that required a 10 foot pole

Jill

On 8/20/2012 6:13 PM, l, not -l wrote:
> Artisan bread is another of those terms that has become so devalued as to be
> meaningless. Just as most who use the word awesome have no clue about what
> is truly awesome, most who talk about artisan bread have never seen or
> tasted it.
>
(snippage)

Some folks talk about it as if it was available on every corner. Just
like there is a farmers market or an Asian market everyone can go to.
This isn't always the case. The only bread I see which claims to be
"artisan" comes from the supermarket bakery department. It's bread and
they throw some seeds in there and mark up the price.

I haven't seen anything truly awesome since I saw the sun glittering off
the Arctic ice cap

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

>On 8/24/2012 10:57 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I can honestly say that I've never touched anything with a ten foot
>>>> pole.
>>
>> No tree pruning over the years? Okay.
>>
>
>Nope. I've never pruned a tree. I've used hedge clippers to trim some
>shrubs. Nothing that required a 10 foot pole
>
>Jill

I have the grand daddy of poles, my pole is professional size, I have
a 16 foot pole pruner... Fiskars makes the best gardening hand tools:
http://www2.fiskars.com/Products/Yar...Tree-Pruner-16

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:21:08 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/20/2012 6:13 PM, l, not -l wrote:
>> Artisan bread is another of those terms that has become so devalued as to be
>> meaningless. Just as most who use the word awesome have no clue about what
>> is truly awesome, most who talk about artisan bread have never seen or
>> tasted it.
>>
>(snippage)
>
>Some folks talk about it as if it was available on every corner. Just
>like there is a farmers market or an Asian market everyone can go to.
>This isn't always the case. The only bread I see which claims to be
>"artisan" comes from the supermarket bakery department. It's bread and
>they throw some seeds in there and mark up the price.
>
>I haven't seen anything truly awesome since I saw the sun glittering off
>the Arctic ice cap
>
>Jill

For those into bread artisan bread is about the easiest baked goods
one can bake at home, no more difficult than boxed cake... all artisan
means is that the bread was hand shaped... beautiful artisan bread can
be made from pizza dough... in fact hand thrown pizza IS artisan
bread.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:21:40 GMT, "l, not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 26-Aug-2012, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen anything truly awesome since I saw the sun glittering off
>> the Arctic ice cap
>
>I haven't seen anything truly awesome since a B-52 napalm strike just before
>dawn sometime in 1968. It marched from the right side of the horizon to
>the left and filled me with awe. Everything else I've heard people call
>awesome was just ho-hum.

Why are so many into destruction... awesome are a pair of Double D
milk filled bosoms.

On 8/26/2012 12:50 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 8/24/2012 10:57 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I can honestly say that I've never touched anything with a ten foot
>>>>> pole.
>>>
>>> No tree pruning over the years? Okay.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. I've never pruned a tree. I've used hedge clippers to trim some
>> shrubs. Nothing that required a 10 foot pole
>>
>> Jill
>
> I have the grand daddy of poles, my pole is professional size, I have
> a 16 foot pole pruner... Fiskars makes the best gardening hand tools:
> http://www2.fiskars.com/Products/Yar...Tree-Pruner-16
>
I have a similar device but it isn't for pruning. It's a duster on an
extension rod for cleaning ceiling fans.

Jill

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:23:55 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/26/2012 12:50 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/24/2012 10:57 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I can honestly say that I've never touched anything with a ten foot
>>>>>> pole.
>>>>
>>>> No tree pruning over the years? Okay.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. I've never pruned a tree. I've used hedge clippers to trim some
>>> shrubs. Nothing that required a 10 foot pole
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I have the grand daddy of poles, my pole is professional size, I have
>> a 16 foot pole pruner... Fiskars makes the best gardening hand tools:
>> http://www2.fiskars.com/Products/Yar...Tree-Pruner-16
>>
>I have a similar device but it isn't for pruning. It's a duster on an
>extension rod for cleaning ceiling fans.

Sorry but I ain't using my pole for cleaning ceiling fans... hehe

On 8/21/2012 3:19 PM, news wrote:
> "Christopher M." > wrote in message
> ...
>> Do you eat it raw? Or do you toast it? Do you use it in recipes?
>
> Ironically.
> (I hate the word "artisan" when applied to food! Ugh! It's a marketing
> buzzword that really means "higher prices"!
>
>
That's so true! It's just bread with some added crap. Herbs, seeds,
anything to justify raising the price. It's like when they serve
hamburgers at "the club" on kaiser rolls. Because poppy seeds on the
bun make the burger so much better.

Jill

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:50:21 -0400, "Christopher M."
> wrote:

>
>"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
>> On 8/21/2012 3:19 PM, news wrote:
>>> "Christopher M." > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Do you eat it raw? Or do you toast it? Do you use it in recipes?
>>>
>>> Ironically.
>>> (I hate the word "artisan" when applied to food! Ugh! It's a marketing
>>> buzzword that really means "higher prices"!
>>>
Some years ago, 25 -35, there was a resurgence of interest in beer,
bread and cheese making at the individual person(s) level. These
small brewers and bakers paid great attention to detail and went back
to the origins of the beer/bread/cheese to make an individual and note
worthy product. Very little product was made at these local levels
and the product was very individual and in most cases excellent. The
term artisan was coined to indicate that the beer or bread or cheese
came from such an establishment. Often the results of the old
fashioned approach were rustic looking. Of course, corporate America
wasn't about to miss such a marketing buzz word. And so children, it
came to pass that everything has been dubbed "artisan."
Janet US

On 8/27/2012 9:46 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/21/2012 3:19 PM, news wrote:
>> "Christopher M." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Do you eat it raw? Or do you toast it? Do you use it in recipes?
>>
>> Ironically.
>> (I hate the word "artisan" when applied to food! Ugh! It's a marketing
>> buzzword that really means "higher prices"!
>>
>>
> That's so true! It's just bread with some added crap. Herbs, seeds,
> anything to justify raising the price. It's like when they serve
> hamburgers at "the club" on kaiser rolls. Because poppy seeds on the
> bun make the burger so much better.
>
> Jill


Depends, some folks could care less about the bread or roll that is used
and some think it is an important component. For example there is a
local family owned sub shop in my town that uses really great rolls from
a local Italian bakery that has a coal fired oven. Even though they use
quality meats etc the roll makes the sandwich. There is no mention of
"artisan" though. This is simply non bigbox folks who know how to make
good food.

Poppy seeds certainly won't help but a quality kaiser roll sure makes a
good burger even better.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:11:18 -0400, George >
wrote:
snip
>Poppy seeds certainly won't help but a quality kaiser roll sure makes a
>good burger even better.

I'm with you. I really hate those sweet, soft hamburger buns. Give
me a Kaiser-type roll any day.
Janet US

On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:46:32 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

> It's like when they serve
> hamburgers at "the club" on kaiser rolls. Because poppy seeds on the
> bun make the burger so much better.

Poppy seeds? I thought Kaiser rolls were thicker and firmer than
regular hamburger buns and have some sort of a fancy twist on the top
to pretty them up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kaisersemmel-.jpg

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:13:50 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:50:21 -0400, "Christopher M."
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Cheryl" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On 8/21/2012 3:19 PM, news wrote:
> >>> "Christopher M." > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> Do you eat it raw? Or do you toast it? Do you use it in recipes?
> >>>
> >>> Ironically.
> >>> (I hate the word "artisan" when applied to food! Ugh! It's a marketing
> >>> buzzword that really means "higher prices"!
> >>>
> Some years ago, 25 -35, there was a resurgence of interest in beer,
> bread and cheese making at the individual person(s) level. These
> small brewers and bakers paid great attention to detail and went back
> to the origins of the beer/bread/cheese to make an individual and note
> worthy product. Very little product was made at these local levels
> and the product was very individual and in most cases excellent. The
> term artisan was coined to indicate that the beer or bread or cheese
> came from such an establishment. Often the results of the old
> fashioned approach were rustic looking. Of course, corporate America
> wasn't about to miss such a marketing buzz word. And so children, it
> came to pass that everything has been dubbed "artisan."
> Janet US

I equate "artisan" with hand made... but as you said, the term has
been hijacked by corporate America.

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On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:36:53 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:38:39 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:11:18 -0400, George >
>>wrote:
>>snip
>>>Poppy seeds certainly won't help but a quality kaiser roll sure makes a
>>>good burger even better.
>>
>>I'm with you. I really hate those sweet, soft hamburger buns. Give
>>me a Kaiser-type roll any day.
>>Janet US
>
>I use kaiser rolls for burgers but I like Portoguese rolls even
>better. I never buy burger buns unless they are past their sell-by
>date and are real cheap, I feed them to critters.

It doesn't have to be kaiser rolls, just any roll or bread that has a
nice crust and good crumb. Because they are available here I often
buy bolilos instead of kaiser.
Janet US

sf wrote:
> Janet Bostwick > wrote:
>
>> Some years ago, 25 -35, there was a resurgence of interest in beer,
>> bread and cheese making at the individual person(s) level. These
>> small brewers and bakers paid great attention to detail and went back
>> to the origins of the beer/bread/cheese to make an individual and note
>> worthy product. Very little product was made at these local levels
>> and the product was very individual and in most cases excellent. The
>> term artisan was coined to indicate that the beer or bread or cheese
>> came from such an establishment. Often the results of the old
>> fashioned approach were rustic looking. Of course, corporate America
>> wasn't about to miss such a marketing buzz word. And so children, it
>> came to pass that everything has been dubbed "artisan."
>> Janet US
>
> I equate "artisan" with hand made... but as you said, the term has
> been hijacked by corporate America.

It happened with the micro-brewery movement as well. There are hundreds
maybe even thousands of small local preweries and brewpubs making
fabulous ales under more labels than I could ever try. The majors are
also slapping random labels on their giant brews and using the word
artisan on the label.

So far I have not noticed this happening in cheese. I appear to be
cheese brand name oblivious. That and I go to Wisconsin to shop at the
small factories. ;^)

On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 21:17:13 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> Janet Bostwick > wrote:
>>
>>> Some years ago, 25 -35, there was a resurgence of interest in beer,
>>> bread and cheese making at the individual person(s) level. These
>>> small brewers and bakers paid great attention to detail and went back
>>> to the origins of the beer/bread/cheese to make an individual and note
>>> worthy product. Very little product was made at these local levels
>>> and the product was very individual and in most cases excellent. The
>>> term artisan was coined to indicate that the beer or bread or cheese
>>> came from such an establishment. Often the results of the old
>>> fashioned approach were rustic looking. Of course, corporate America
>>> wasn't about to miss such a marketing buzz word. And so children, it
>>> came to pass that everything has been dubbed "artisan."
>>> Janet US
>>
>> I equate "artisan" with hand made... but as you said, the term has
>> been hijacked by corporate America.
>
>It happened with the micro-brewery movement as well. There are hundreds
>maybe even thousands of small local preweries and brewpubs making
>fabulous ales under more labels than I could ever try. The majors are
>also slapping random labels on their giant brews and using the word
>artisan on the label.
>
>So far I have not noticed this happening in cheese. I appear to be
>cheese brand name oblivious. That and I go to Wisconsin to shop at the
>small factories. ;^)

It may be that cheese is too regionally esoteric to be mass produced.
But, wait for it, coming soon to a megamart near you.
Janet US

Doug Freyburger wrote:

> It happened with the micro-brewery movement as well. There are hundreds
> maybe even thousands of small local preweries and brewpubs making
> fabulous ales under more labels than I could ever try. The majors are
> also slapping random labels on their giant brews and using the word
> artisan on the label.

I've seen them too. They're a little more flavorful than the regular
"premium" beers they sell, but nothing like a real artisanal ale.