"dsi1" > wrote in message

> The harmful effects of black mold is well documented. That's not so with
> cyanobacteria/blue-green algae.

???? It's toxic to stock and also for humans the harmful effects of
blue-green algae are well documented as follows: Nausea, headache, vomiting,
gastro etc
http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/factsheets/pdf/water/w3.pdf
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/pubs...bacter-eng.php

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:18:55 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote:

> I've never thought that this thread was about an either/or situation. As
> usual it's morphed.

It's more like people have chosen their positions at this point and
are defending them. That's why long threads suck.

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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:18:55 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote:

> I've never thought that this thread was about an either/or situation. As
> usual it's morphed.

It's more like people have chosen their positions at this point and
are dug in defending them. That's why long threads suck.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:18:55 +1000, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
>> I've never thought that this thread was about an either/or situation. As
>> usual it's morphed.
>
> It's more like people have chosen their positions at this point and
> are defending them. That's why long threads suck.

:-)) I don't think that applies to the whole of the thread. Part of the
thread I have found to be most interesting, with some interesting cites and
some interesting chinwagging and just an exchange of points of discussion.

On 8/29/2012 7:29 PM, Farm1 wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
>> The harmful effects of black mold is well documented. That's not so with
>> cyanobacteria/blue-green algae.
>
> ???? It's toxic to stock and also for humans the harmful effects of
> blue-green algae are well documented as follows: Nausea, headache, vomiting,
> gastro etc
> http://www.derm.qld.gov.au/factsheets/pdf/water/w3.pdf
> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/pubs...bacter-eng.php
>
>

Thanks for the links. I not going to get too worried about yet another
thing that we should be deathly afraid of. There's way too much of that
going around. I'm sure that nearly a gallon of bleach took care of the
problem.

OTOH, it's amazing that an algae is able to flourish without light at
such a high temperature.

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:18:55 +1000, "Farm1" >
wrote:

>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:00:31 +1000, "Farm1" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I guess they could become full of bacteria of there was access for vermin,
>>>but I've lived where rainwater in such tanks (cisterns) was the main
>>>source
>>>of drinking water for many decades. I've not heard of anyone becoming
>>>sick
>>>from drinking it or washing their teeth in it whereas I do know of
>>>multiple
>>>alerts to boil any water for drinking and teeth cleaning from a number of
>>>municipal supplies.
>>>
>>>
>> There is a fine and long history - thousands of years of it, of
>> individuals and communities collecting and storing rainwater. It isn't
>> bad thing, nor inherently prone to disease when done built. We laud
>> the engineering of those civilizations that did it well. We likely do
>> not have much history of those who tried it, but failed at it for one
>> reason or another.
>>
>> Muni systems, however, are usually created from open-source lakes and
>> rivers and reservoirs and rely on chemical treatment and filtration as
>> well as pressure flow of some sort to keep them safe. The average
>> homeowner - say, for example, the one who asked here if reusing soda
>> bottles for long term drinking water storage - runs the risk of
>> introducing contaminants, biological and otherwise, with such
>> measures.
>>
>> You have a tried and true rainwater collection system. The other
>> poster has a used pop bottle and a muni system. It isn't that the
>> former is infallible and the latter doomed at every use, but why risk
>> the odds if one is doing disaster preparedness?
>
>I've never thought that this thread was about an either/or situation. As
>usual it's morphed.

Actually, the original post was about *long term* storage of drinking
water for emergencies, hence the mention/question about adding
chlorine.

>I'd suggest if the person is doing disaster prep then s/he uses whatever is
>on hand to store water and whatever is convenient but to do so only for a
>limited time frame and replace and restore often. That could be done on a
>daily basis if need be to make tea or coffee or washing up or whatever. It
>isn't rocket science to do and especially if they don't use it as long term
>storage but as on ongoing 'emergency only' stopgap measure.
>

Recommendations for long-term storage of drinking water is not unusual
for areas of this country such as those prone to hurricanes or
earthquakes. FE MA suggests commercially bottled water, rotated out on
a regular schedule.

Boron

On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:50:09 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:
snip
>
>OTOH, it's amazing that an algae is able to flourish without light at
>such a high temperature.

If you've ever been to Yellowstone Park you know that algae can thrive
at all temperatures and all light conditions and through all the
extremes of acid and alkaline. Just saying.
Janet US

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 08:10:50 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:50:09 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
> snip
> >
> >OTOH, it's amazing that an algae is able to flourish without light at
> >such a high temperature.
>
> If you've ever been to Yellowstone Park you know that algae can thrive
> at all temperatures and all light conditions and through all the
> extremes of acid and alkaline. Just saying.
> Janet US

At great depths in the ocean with no light and high heat too.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 8/30/2012 4:10 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:50:09 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
> snip
>>
>> OTOH, it's amazing that an algae is able to flourish without light at
>> such a high temperature.
>
> If you've ever been to Yellowstone Park you know that algae can thrive
> at all temperatures and all light conditions and through all the
> extremes of acid and alkaline. Just saying.
> Janet US
>

I've never been to Yellowstone Park but I know that algae blooms are
prevalent in those hot areas. In the pictures I've seen, some of them
are quite colorful. There's also colonies of organisms like giant
tubeworms and clams that live near volcanic plumes on the ocean bottom
that rely on the heat and chemicals from these hot vents for their
biological processes.

The amazing thing to me is that these processes are taking place in my
office which is not in Yellowstone or the bottom of the ocean or even on
some distant planet.

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:26:52 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 8/30/2012 4:10 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:50:09 -1000, dsi1
>> > wrote:
>> snip
>>>
>>> OTOH, it's amazing that an algae is able to flourish without light at
>>> such a high temperature.
>>
>> If you've ever been to Yellowstone Park you know that algae can thrive
>> at all temperatures and all light conditions and through all the
>> extremes of acid and alkaline. Just saying.
>> Janet US
>>
>
>I've never been to Yellowstone Park but I know that algae blooms are
>prevalent in those hot areas. In the pictures I've seen, some of them
>are quite colorful. There's also colonies of organisms like giant
>tubeworms and clams that live near volcanic plumes on the ocean bottom
>that rely on the heat and chemicals from these hot vents for their
>biological processes.
>
>The amazing thing to me is that these processes are taking place in my
>office which is not in Yellowstone or the bottom of the ocean or even on
>some distant planet.

For your consideration. The above mentioned algae were born from
great violence. Hope your water cooler doesn't erupt)
Janet US

On 8/30/2012 9:37 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:26:52 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 8/30/2012 4:10 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:50:09 -1000, dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, it's amazing that an algae is able to flourish without light at
>>>> such a high temperature.
>>>
>>> If you've ever been to Yellowstone Park you know that algae can thrive
>>> at all temperatures and all light conditions and through all the
>>> extremes of acid and alkaline. Just saying.
>>> Janet US
>>>
>>
>> I've never been to Yellowstone Park but I know that algae blooms are
>> prevalent in those hot areas. In the pictures I've seen, some of them
>> are quite colorful. There's also colonies of organisms like giant
>> tubeworms and clams that live near volcanic plumes on the ocean bottom
>> that rely on the heat and chemicals from these hot vents for their
>> biological processes.
>>
>> The amazing thing to me is that these processes are taking place in my
>> office which is not in Yellowstone or the bottom of the ocean or even on
>> some distant planet.
>
> For your consideration. The above mentioned algae were born from
> great violence. Hope your water cooler doesn't erupt)
> Janet US
>

Ha ha. I had to check my water cooler to make sure that it wasn't giving
out any warning signs of an impending explosion. It looks pretty much
dormant except there's some bubbling occasionally. I'll let you know if
there's any further developments.

Farm1 wrote:
>
> I'd suggest if the person is doing disaster prep then s/he uses whatever is
> on hand to store water and whatever is convenient but to do so only for a
> limited time frame and replace and restore often. That could be done on a
> daily basis if need be to make tea or coffee or washing up or whatever. It
> isn't rocket science to do and especially if they don't use it as long term
> storage but as on ongoing 'emergency only' stopgap measure.

That's me here on the coast of Virginia. Our prime hurricane season starts
right about now and lasts for about a month. During August, I try to eat up
freezer food and replace it with 2-litter bottles of water. The frozen water
bottles will keep your food cold for a few days after power outage, plus it
will provide fresh water later.

As far as stocking up water for this, I'll wait until about a day or two
before the hurricane is expected to strike right here in my area. That's
when I will fill up all water containers (and I save a LOT of them). If the
hurricane causes trouble here, I've got plenty of water.

If it passes by and causes no problem, I empty them all and wait for the
next occasion to refill them.

Gary

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:18:55 +1000, "Farm1" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 12:00:31 +1000, "Farm1" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I guess they could become full of bacteria of there was access for
>>>>vermin,
>>>>but I've lived where rainwater in such tanks (cisterns) was the main
>>>>source
>>>>of drinking water for many decades. I've not heard of anyone becoming
>>>>sick
>>>>from drinking it or washing their teeth in it whereas I do know of
>>>>multiple
>>>>alerts to boil any water for drinking and teeth cleaning from a number
>>>>of
>>>>municipal supplies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There is a fine and long history - thousands of years of it, of
>>> individuals and communities collecting and storing rainwater. It isn't
>>> bad thing, nor inherently prone to disease when done built. We laud
>>> the engineering of those civilizations that did it well. We likely do
>>> not have much history of those who tried it, but failed at it for one
>>> reason or another.
>>>
>>> Muni systems, however, are usually created from open-source lakes and
>>> rivers and reservoirs and rely on chemical treatment and filtration as
>>> well as pressure flow of some sort to keep them safe. The average
>>> homeowner - say, for example, the one who asked here if reusing soda
>>> bottles for long term drinking water storage - runs the risk of
>>> introducing contaminants, biological and otherwise, with such
>>> measures.
>>>
>>> You have a tried and true rainwater collection system. The other
>>> poster has a used pop bottle and a muni system. It isn't that the
>>> former is infallible and the latter doomed at every use, but why risk
>>> the odds if one is doing disaster preparedness?
>>
>>I've never thought that this thread was about an either/or situation. As
>>usual it's morphed.
>
> Actually, the original post was about *long term* storage of drinking
> water for emergencies, hence the mention/question about adding
> chlorine.

Which is why I got into talking about my water supply. I'd say that 20
years storage would rate as being 'long term'. We, like Becca who posts as
Ema Nymton, who also lived rurally, never treat/ed water.

>>I'd suggest if the person is doing disaster prep then s/he uses whatever
>>is
>>on hand to store water and whatever is convenient but to do so only for a
>>limited time frame and replace and restore often. That could be done on a
>>daily basis if need be to make tea or coffee or washing up or whatever.
>>It
>>isn't rocket science to do and especially if they don't use it as long
>>term
>>storage but as on ongoing 'emergency only' stopgap measure.
>>
>
> Recommendations for long-term storage of drinking water is not unusual
> for areas of this country such as those prone to hurricanes or
> earthquakes. FE MA suggests commercially bottled water, rotated out on
> a regular schedule.

Yes, I've read the FEMA cites that were given here. I'd just use the method
I described above for an emergency rotational store. I've got some
experience in this matter since I do use stored water and have done so for
decades.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Farm1 wrote:
>>
>> I'd suggest if the person is doing disaster prep then s/he uses whatever
>> is
>> on hand to store water and whatever is convenient but to do so only for a
>> limited time frame and replace and restore often. That could be done on
>> a
>> daily basis if need be to make tea or coffee or washing up or whatever.
>> It
>> isn't rocket science to do and especially if they don't use it as long
>> term
>> storage but as on ongoing 'emergency only' stopgap measure.
>
> That's me here on the coast of Virginia.

:-)) It'd be me too if I lived in a cyclone location.

Our prime hurricane season starts
> right about now and lasts for about a month. During August, I try to eat
> up
> freezer food and replace it with 2-litter bottles of water. The frozen
> water
> bottles will keep your food cold for a few days after power outage, plus
> it
> will provide fresh water later.
>
> As far as stocking up water for this, I'll wait until about a day or two
> before the hurricane is expected to strike right here in my area. That's
> when I will fill up all water containers (and I save a LOT of them). If
> the
> hurricane causes trouble here, I've got plenty of water.
>
> If it passes by and causes no problem, I empty them all and wait for the
> next occasion to refill them.

Very sensible precautions.