Would like to find some practical experience from group members on home made cat
food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm concerned by the proper
nutrients, including taurine

On 8/28/2012 1:09 AM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> Would like to find some practical experience from group members on home made cat
> food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm concerned by the proper
> nutrients, including taurine
>
It really depends on the needs of the cat. If you need to cut out
grains, add protein, cut down on protein, etc. I'm sure if you're
making it, there's a dietary need for it.

"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:
>
>Would like to find some practical experience from group members on home made cat
>food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm concerned by the proper
>nutrients, including taurine

Why? What is your goal? If you are just looking to save money you
won't. If you need a special diet for a sick cat consult your vet.
Cats do best on a varied diet of high quality cat food (dry and wet)
supplimented occasionally with some small amounts of people food. Cats
get bored with the same old too. It's best not to experiment with
your cat's health, believe it or not the major pet food companies know
what they are doing. Fancy Feast has come out with an array of
gourmet cat foods that my sometimes finicky eaters love.
http://www.fancyfeast.com/gourmet-cat-products/

On Aug 27, 10:09*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> wrote:
> Would like to find some practical experience from group members on home made cat
> food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm concerned by the proper
> nutrients, including taurine

Malcom, here's what I feed my cats. If you want to consider proper
nutrients and grain free, this is the best cat (and dog) food on the
market. Read the site. Especially about the Biologically
Appropriate Foods. My cats thrive on this.

http://acana.com/

On Aug 28, 7:15*am, ImStillMags > wrote:
> On Aug 27, 10:09*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
>
> > wrote:
> > Would like to find some practical experience from group members on home made cat
> > food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm concerned by the proper
> > nutrients, including taurine
>
> Malcom, here's what I feed my cats. *If you want to consider proper
> nutrients and grain free, this is the best cat (and dog) food on the
> market. * Read the site. *Especially about the Biologically
> Appropriate Foods. *My cats thrive on this.
>
> http://acana.com/

I give them the Regional line. No grains. I feel these people can
do a better job of coming up with a complete food that is healthier
than anything I could make.

http://acana.com/products/regionals

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:09:42 AM UTC-4, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
> Would like to find some practical experience from group members on home made cat
>
> food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm concerned by the proper
>
> nutrients, including taurine

There are a lot of youtube. Whether they are sound nutritionally, I can't say. Some look like a lot of work, but you can make up large batches. Glad you have your cat(s) at heart.

One thing I CAN say--stay off the dry food. Cats aren't made to handle all the carbs, and diabetes is a likely result.

On Aug 28, 7:30*am, Kalmia > wrote:
>
> One thing I CAN say--stay off the dry food. *Cats aren't made to handle all the carbs, and diabetes is a likely result.


Most grocery store dry cat foods are horrible and full of grain
carbohydrates which are very bad for cats. That's why I feed
the grain free Acana for the dry food.

In article >, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1>
wrote:

> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:
> >
> >Would like to find some practical experience from group members on home made
> >cat
> >food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm concerned by the proper
> >nutrients, including taurine
>
> Why? What is your goal? If you are just looking to save money you
> won't. If you need a special diet for a sick cat consult your vet.
> Cats do best on a varied diet of high quality cat food (dry and wet)
> supplimented occasionally with some small amounts of people food. Cats
> get bored with the same old too. It's best not to experiment with
> your cat's health, believe it or not the major pet food companies know
> what they are doing. Fancy Feast has come out with an array of
> gourmet cat foods that my sometimes finicky eaters love.
> http://www.fancyfeast.com/gourmet-cat-products/

Almost all of the "consumer" brand wet cat foods have a high carb load and often
have grains in some form. I use Friskies, three different flavors of their
filets style as the cats like the gravy.

Just like the astronauts didn't feel entirely comfortable knowing that they were
sitting on approximately 1 million nuts, bolts, wires, transistors, etc bought
on the lowest bid contract, I'm not entirely comfortable with by-products, wheat
gluten, soy flour, corn starch and other wonderful goodies

In article >,
ImStillMags > wrote:

> On Aug 28, 7:30*am, Kalmia > wrote:
> >
> > One thing I CAN say--stay off the dry food. *Cats aren't made to handle all
> > the carbs, and diabetes is a likely result.
>
>
> Most grocery store dry cat foods are horrible and full of grain
> carbohydrates which are very bad for cats. That's why I feed
> the grain free Acana for the dry food.

I free feed them Costcos Kirkland brand Healthy Weight Cat Formula which
contains chicken meal, ground white rice, peas, potato protein, powdered
cellulose, chicken fat, flaxseed, fish meal, dried chicory root and a bunch of
vitamins and minerals.

I'd probably prefer to not have the rice, but this is affordable, seems
relatively healthy and doesn't contain any corn products. It's 32% protein, 9%
crude fat and 10% crude fiber and has 300 kcal/cup. The female basically prefers
it to wet food even though she will eat some wet, the male basically only
nibbles on it when he thinks he hasn't gotten enough wet

But I will look at Acana

On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:17:26 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> wrote:

>In article >, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1>
>wrote:
>
>> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:
>> >
>> >Would like to find some practical experience from group members on home made
>> >cat
>> >food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm concerned by the proper
>> >nutrients, including taurine
>>
>> Why? What is your goal? If you are just looking to save money you
>> won't. If you need a special diet for a sick cat consult your vet.
>> Cats do best on a varied diet of high quality cat food (dry and wet)
>> supplimented occasionally with some small amounts of people food. Cats
>> get bored with the same old too. It's best not to experiment with
>> your cat's health, believe it or not the major pet food companies know
>> what they are doing. Fancy Feast has come out with an array of
>> gourmet cat foods that my sometimes finicky eaters love.
>> http://www.fancyfeast.com/gourmet-cat-products/
>
>Almost all of the "consumer" brand wet cat foods have a high carb load and often
>have grains in some form.

Consumer brand, I don't know that brand. Most of the major national
brand canned cat foods contain no cereal/starches, read the labels.

>I use Friskies, three different flavors of their
>filets style as the cats like the gravy.

My cats like Fancy Feast Grilled, it too is chunks in gravy, the gravy
contains a small amount of starch as a thickener, but I have one cat
that gets the Classic, no gravy. I have a can of Fancy Feast Classic
in front of me, no grains/starches. I have a severely diabetic cat
and his vet recommends a whole list of foods and doesn't recommend
making my own concoctions. I think it's extremely low IQ to pay a vet
and then disregard the professional advice. I happen to know that
quite a few people who have multiple cats prepare their own cat food
but only because they believe they are saving money, in the short term
that may be but over time they will incur much higher vet bills and
have cats that don't live a full and healthy life.

In article >, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1>
wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:17:26 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> > wrote:
>
> >In article >, Brooklyn1
> ><Gravesend1> wrote:
> >
> >> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Would like to find some practical experience from group members on home
> >> >made cat food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm concerned by
> >> >the proper nutrients, including taurine
> >>
> >> Why? What is your goal? If you are just looking to save money you won't.
> >> If you need a special diet for a sick cat consult your vet. Cats do best
> >> on a varied diet of high quality cat food (dry and wet) supplimented
> >> occasionally with some small amounts of people food. Cats get bored with
> >> the same old too. It's best not to experiment with your cat's health,
> >> believe it or not the major pet food companies know what they are doing.
> >> Fancy Feast has come out with an array of gourmet cat foods that my
> >> sometimes finicky eaters love.
> >> http://www.fancyfeast.com/gourmet-cat-products/
> >
> >Almost all of the "consumer" brand wet cat foods have a high carb load and
> >often have grains in some form.
>
> Consumer brand, I don't know that brand. Most of the major national brand
> canned cat foods contain no cereal/starches, read the labels.

Consumer brands are those low cost friskies, fancy feast and such. Friskies
filets contain wheat gluten, corn starch and soy flour so I don't know what
part of the labels you are reading



>
> >I use Friskies, three different flavors of their filets style as the cats
> >like the gravy.
>
> My cats like Fancy Feast Grilled, it too is chunks in gravy, the gravy
> contains a small amount of starch as a thickener, but I have one cat that
> gets the Classic, no gravy. I have a can of Fancy Feast Classic in front of
> me, no grains/starches. I have a severely diabetic cat and his vet
> recommends a whole list of foods and doesn't recommend making my own
> concoctions. I think it's extremely low IQ to pay a vet and then disregard
> the professional advice. I happen to know that quite a few people who have
> multiple cats prepare their own cat food but only because they believe they
> are saving money, in the short term that may be but over time they will incur
> much higher vet bills and have cats that don't live a full and healthy life.


you might check out the following page which is by a vet

http://www.catinfo.org/?link=makingcatfood

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MMR:
Have a look at

binkyspage.tripod.com

for a thorough analysis of cat food. HTH.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:17:26 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> > wrote:
>
>>In article >, Brooklyn1
>><Gravesend1>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Would like to find some practical experience from group members on home
>>> >made
>>> >cat
>>> >food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm concerned by the
>>> >proper
>>> >nutrients, including taurine
>>>
>>> Why? What is your goal? If you are just looking to save money you
>>> won't. If you need a special diet for a sick cat consult your vet.
>>> Cats do best on a varied diet of high quality cat food (dry and wet)
>>> supplimented occasionally with some small amounts of people food. Cats
>>> get bored with the same old too. It's best not to experiment with
>>> your cat's health, believe it or not the major pet food companies know
>>> what they are doing. Fancy Feast has come out with an array of
>>> gourmet cat foods that my sometimes finicky eaters love.
>>> http://www.fancyfeast.com/gourmet-cat-products/
>>
>>Almost all of the "consumer" brand wet cat foods have a high carb load and
>>often
>>have grains in some form.
>
> Consumer brand, I don't know that brand. Most of the major national
> brand canned cat foods contain no cereal/starches, read the labels.
>
>>I use Friskies, three different flavors of their
>>filets style as the cats like the gravy.
>
> My cats like Fancy Feast Grilled, it too is chunks in gravy, the gravy
> contains a small amount of starch as a thickener, but I have one cat
> that gets the Classic, no gravy. I have a can of Fancy Feast Classic
> in front of me, no grains/starches. I have a severely diabetic cat
> and his vet recommends a whole list of foods and doesn't recommend
> making my own concoctions. I think it's extremely low IQ to pay a vet
> and then disregard the professional advice. I happen to know that
> quite a few people who have multiple cats prepare their own cat food
> but only because they believe they are saving money, in the short term
> that may be but over time they will incur much higher vet bills and
> have cats that don't live a full and healthy life.

Bali and Jazzy will eat the grilled tuna but they prefer the Gravy Lover's
tuna and whitefish. They also will eat the Medleys but only the tuna.
Their favorite is the Appetizers. They will each eat a whole one of those.
I am now giving them each only half a can of the canned stuff because they
will only eat a few bites. Bali actually does eat a little more despite
being thinner. The vet didn't seem to think that she was too thin. Jazzy
looks a little fat to me but the vet said she was fine. She is VERY
muscular.

In article >,
Kalmia > wrote:

> MMR:
> Have a look at
>
> binkyspage.tripod.com
>
> for a thorough analysis of cat food. HTH.

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> Why? *What is your goal? *If you are just looking to save money you
> won't. *If you need a special diet for a sick cat consult your vet.
> Cats do best on a varied diet of high quality cat food (dry and wet)
> supplimented occasionally with some small amounts of people food. Cats
> get bored with the same old too. *It's best not to experiment with
> your cat's health, believe it or not the major pet food companies know
> what they are doing. *Fancy Feast has come out with an array of
> gourmet cat foods that my sometimes finicky eaters love.http://www.fancyfeast.com/gourmet-cat-products/

I have three cats and they love Fancy Feast. I am convinced that must
be the best tasting brand of cat food on the market, as I can put any
other brand and Fancy Feast out for them, and they will immediately
devour the fancy feast. FF has a new line of breakfast brands (called
Fancy Feast Mornings) that contain egg and veggies with either fish or
chicken, and they love it.

On 8/28/2012 11:53 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> Most grocery store dry cat foods are horrible and full of grain
> carbohydrates which are very bad for cats. That's why I feed
> the grain free Acana for the dry food.


The vet suggested Science Diet; it was the only food that Annie had
during her entire life. Big Tig died of heart failure when he was 15
yrs old, and Annie died right before her 17th birthday. She had cancer,
so we did not do a necropsy on her. I gave up on Science Diet.

Becca

"Ema Nymton" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/28/2012 11:53 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>> Most grocery store dry cat foods are horrible and full of grain
>> carbohydrates which are very bad for cats. That's why I feed
>> the grain free Acana for the dry food.
>
>
> The vet suggested Science Diet; it was the only food that Annie had during
> her entire life. Big Tig died of heart failure when he was 15 yrs old,
> and Annie died right before her 17th birthday. She had cancer, so we did
> not do a necropsy on her. I gave up on Science Diet.

Our Vets have big displays of Science Diet here too in the waiting rooms.
It has been tentatively mentioned for my dog but I gave it short shrift.
She is coming up 16yo and although showing her ages and has had various
problems, is still happy and enjoying life.
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Ema Nymton wrote:

>On 8/28/2012 11:53 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>> Most grocery store dry cat foods are horrible and full of grain
>> carbohydrates which are very bad for cats. That's why I feed
>> the grain free Acana for the dry food.
>
>
>The vet suggested Science Diet; it was the only food that Annie had
>during her entire life. Big Tig died of heart failure when he was 15
>yrs old, and Annie died right before her 17th birthday. She had cancer,
>so we did not do a necropsy on her. I gave up on Science Diet.

Science Diet is an excellent cat food, a bit pricey but is a high
quality product. Most cats, even those well cared for, rarely live
past 15 years. Naturally there are the exceptions that even make 20
years but those are rare indeed. Also different breeds of cat have
different life expectantcies... many of the exotics/purebreds live
fewer years. Science Diet is available in many many versions, it's a
good idea to use the appropriate variety as the cat ages and/or
develops ailments, for which Science Diet has prescriptives only
available through a vet. Concocting ones own cat food is folly, and
borders on animal abuse. Again, the best one can do is feed the high
end varieties of the major national brand cat food along with small
amounts of appropriate people food (meat/veggies) to stimulate
appetite, keep domestic cats indoors only, and visit the vet
regularly, not just when the cat is visibly ill, regular preventitive
medical care is very important, most feline illness caught early can
be easilyy treated. Too many people care for their cats as though the
were expendable, they exert no effort whatsoever and spend as little
money as possible. I have zero respect for the lazy cheapo *******s
who put their cats outdoors just so they don't need to buy/deal with
litter... what LIARS they are claiming cats are happier outdoors,
LYING LAZY CHEAP DUMB SHITS!

"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" > wrote in
:

> Would like to find some practical experience from group members on
> home made cat food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm
> concerned by the proper nutrients, including taurine
>

Try

_Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health For Dogs and Cats_, if you
can find a copy. His suggestions worked for me.




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"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" > wrote in
:

> Would like to find some practical experience from group members on
> home made cat food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm
> concerned by the proper nutrients, including taurine

Malcom,

My male cat developed megacolon in his second year. We put him and our
female on a diet of a natural diet raw turkey plus other "stuff". We kept
both on this diet (which I made) for 13 years until the male died of
cancer, which was not associated with his colon disease.

Hit me off-line if you would like all the particulars…plus discussion about
taurine and other nutrients to be included in the recipe. Remove DOT from
my addy.

John Sorell

John Sorell > wrote:

>My male cat developed megacolon in his second year. We put him and our
>female on a diet of a natural diet raw turkey plus other "stuff". We kept
>both on this diet (which I made) for 13 years until the male died of
>cancer, which was not associated with his colon disease.

One of our two ladies (both age 13) has had mega-colon for the past
couple years. The treatment is metamucil in rather large amounts, which
has been completely successful so far.

Based on your experience, is there something else we should be doing?

Steve

(Steve Pope) wrote in
:

> John Sorell > wrote:
>
>>My male cat developed megacolon in his second year. We put him and our
>>female on a diet of a natural diet raw turkey plus other "stuff". We
>>kept both on this diet (which I made) for 13 years until the male died
>>of cancer, which was not associated with his colon disease.
>
> One of our two ladies (both age 13) has had mega-colon for the past
> couple years. The treatment is metamucil in rather large amounts,
> which has been completely successful so far.
>
> Based on your experience, is there something else we should be doing?
>
> Steve
>

Steve,

We were to the point of putting our cat down when we made a last ditch
effort with <http://bouldersnaturalanimal.com/>. This was in ~1998. I'm
not sure if it is now owned by the same Vet. We took the cat completely
off all medicine and anything that wasn't natural or organic and started
the raw turkey diet. I don't have the recipe at hand or I'd list it. It
was specifically tailored for the male cat's mega-colon but was more than
suitable for the female cat, who had no medical issues.

I don't know if I would change anything if you are having success with
metamucil. However, I really did like the idea of giving the cats a
completely natural, organic diet. I would make enough food for two weeks
and freeze it in daily portions. They both loved the food I prepared and
were extremely healthy and active until they developed cancer; each had
different types of cancer at different times. The girl cat (who didn't
have mega-colon) died three years before the boy cat.

Once the boy cat died, we moved to an organic, commercially made food,
which also has raw turkey as the predominant ingredient.

John

Ema Nymton wrote:
>
> On 8/28/2012 11:53 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> > Most grocery store dry cat foods are horrible and full of grain
> > carbohydrates which are very bad for cats. That's why I feed
> > the grain free Acana for the dry food.
>
> The vet suggested Science Diet;

I tried Science Diet with my cat once. He sniffed the bowl then looked up at
me like, "What the hell is this crap?" He refused to eat as he refused to
eat any of the "healthy, expensive" foods from the pet stores and I tried
them all. Dry and canned.

Finding a healthy food for cats is one thing. Getting them to eat it is
another. And don't think that if you keep offering it, they will eat once
they get hungry enough. Not my cat. If he got too hungry he would poop on
my pillow, etc. He knew what he wanted and he definitely had an
attitude.

So he lived on a variety of grocery store foods, canned and dry. I remember
he liked Meow Mix and several varieties of canned food. He always did
prefer seafood flavored. He also liked a few other dry mixes but I forget
them now as he died about 7-8 years ago.

His most favorite meals were ones I made for him as special treats maybe
once every 2-3 months. He would have eaten this everyday but I didn't know
how healthy it was so...only for a special occasion.

It was:
- a handfull of his dry food
- drain the water from a can of tuna into it (Starkist)
- add just a little of the tuna meat
- add one smashed hard boiled egg

Mix well and......very happy cat!

Mr.Kitty lived here happily for almost 19 1/2 years so the grocery store
food can't be all that evil.

Gary

Gary > wrote:
> Ema Nymton wrote:
>>
>> On 8/28/2012 11:53 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>> Most grocery store dry cat foods are horrible and full of grain
>>> carbohydrates which are very bad for cats. That's why I feed
>>> the grain free Acana for the dry food.
>>
>> The vet suggested Science Diet;
>

Some vet made us try feeding a parakeet their food. Looked and smelled like
cardboard. No way, the bird said.

Had an older cat having occasional constipation problems. Used child's
enema syringe. Kitty was patient. Also tried some occasional mineral oil.
Most seem to like the stuff.

Greg

In article >, Gary > wrote:

> Ema Nymton wrote:
> >
> > On 8/28/2012 11:53 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> > > Most grocery store dry cat foods are horrible and full of grain
> > > carbohydrates which are very bad for cats. That's why I feed
> > > the grain free Acana for the dry food.
> >
> > The vet suggested Science Diet;
>
> I tried Science Diet with my cat once. He sniffed the bowl then looked up at
> me like, "What the hell is this crap?" He refused to eat as he refused to
> eat any of the "healthy, expensive" foods from the pet stores and I tried
> them all. Dry and canned.
>
> Finding a healthy food for cats is one thing. Getting them to eat it is
> another. And don't think that if you keep offering it, they will eat once
> they get hungry enough. Not my cat. If he got too hungry he would poop on
> my pillow, etc. He knew what he wanted and he definitely had an
> attitude.


That's it. The female isn't big on wet food, but both would tend to ignore what
I thought was a more healthful food. Tried lots of brands. I recently tried
another brand and they ate it but as it was 4 times more expensive than the
Friskies, I'm a little adverse to doing that

In article >, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1>
wrote:

> Ema Nymton wrote:
>
> >On 8/28/2012 11:53 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
> >> Most grocery store dry cat foods are horrible and full of grain
> >> carbohydrates which are very bad for cats. That's why I feed
> >> the grain free Acana for the dry food.
> >
> >
> >The vet suggested Science Diet; it was the only food that Annie had
> >during her entire life. Big Tig died of heart failure when he was 15
> >yrs old, and Annie died right before her 17th birthday. She had cancer,
> >so we did not do a necropsy on her. I gave up on Science Diet.
>
> Science Diet is an excellent cat food, a bit pricey but is a high
> quality product. Most cats, even those well cared for, rarely live
> past 15 years. Naturally there are the exceptions that even make 20
> years but those are rare indeed. Also different breeds of cat have
> different life expectantcies... many of the exotics/purebreds live
> fewer years. Science Diet is available in many many versions, it's a
> good idea to use the appropriate variety as the cat ages and/or
> develops ailments, for which Science Diet has prescriptives only
> available through a vet. Concocting ones own cat food is folly, and
> borders on animal abuse. Again, the best one can do is feed the high
> end varieties of the major national brand cat food along with small
> amounts of appropriate people food (meat/veggies) to stimulate
> appetite, keep domestic cats indoors only, and visit the vet
> regularly, not just when the cat is visibly ill, regular preventitive
> medical care is very important, most feline illness caught early can
> be easilyy treated. Too many people care for their cats as though the
> were expendable, they exert no effort whatsoever and spend as little
> money as possible. I have zero respect for the lazy cheapo *******s
> who put their cats outdoors just so they don't need to buy/deal with
> litter... what LIARS they are claiming cats are happier outdoors,
> LYING LAZY CHEAP DUMB SHITS!

I might agree with you final points to some degree if it weren't for the fact
that since cats are obligate carnivores which resulted from their heritage as
hunters, outdoor life must be as genetic to them as meat. I of course wouldn't
expect to see some of these fancy foo foo cats outdoors as their owners would
have a coronary. I would let my cats out (actually I let the female out under
supervision) but the male can be as dumb as a brick and would probably get lost,
I wouldn't trust him to avoid other people and vehicles and most importantly I
don't trust those people who weren't raised properly and are keen to work
themselves up to serial killer

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In article >,
Michael OConnor > wrote:

> > Why? *What is your goal? *If you are just looking to save money you
> > won't. *If you need a special diet for a sick cat consult your vet.
> > Cats do best on a varied diet of high quality cat food (dry and wet)
> > supplimented occasionally with some small amounts of people food. Cats
> > get bored with the same old too. *It's best not to experiment with
> > your cat's health, believe it or not the major pet food companies know
> > what they are doing. *Fancy Feast has come out with an array of
> > gourmet cat foods that my sometimes finicky eaters
> > love.http://www.fancyfeast.com/gourmet-cat-products/
>
> I have three cats and they love Fancy Feast. I am convinced that must
> be the best tasting brand of cat food on the market, as I can put any
> other brand and Fancy Feast out for them, and they will immediately
> devour the fancy feast. FF has a new line of breakfast brands (called
> Fancy Feast Mornings) that contain egg and veggies with either fish or
> chicken, and they love it.

and I'm sure that soon they will have their line of dessert cat foods

On 8/29/2012 2:34 PM, John Sorell wrote:
> "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Would like to find some practical experience from group members on
>> home made cat food that is grain free and not overly exotic. I'm
>> concerned by the proper nutrients, including taurine
>
> Malcom,
>
> My male cat developed megacolon in his second year. We put him and our
> female on a diet of a natural diet raw turkey plus other "stuff". We kept
> both on this diet (which I made) for 13 years until the male died of
> cancer, which was not associated with his colon disease.
>
> Hit me off-line if you would like all the particulars…plus discussion about
> taurine and other nutrients to be included in the recipe. Remove DOT from
> my addy.

I had a cat who developed megacolon years ago. What a horrible illness
for anyone, let alone a cat who can't tell you how bad it hurts.
I'm glad you got yours stable on the diet you made for him. I never was
able to and he had to be put to sleep when it got to where he couldn't
shit at all and could only go when he got enemas. Still breaks my
heart over his suffering.